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Chris Lambertz wrote:
Alright, I've got the fix in place for this issue, and you should be able to get the pages you're after now. If you run into anything else, please let us know :)
Chris: the Maure Castle forum is still suffering this problem, as described in a parallel thread @ http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u8db?Website-Loop-Back-Issue
Ah, I've not done an A/B comparison between those two versions, thanks Lawmonger!
I prefer the AD&D set up - the addition of the octych in Warlock's Walk doesn't really make sense to me, as Dungeon #112 says the disciples of Slerotin scattered them across the world?
Agreed, in general; however...
Andor the Wise wrote:
I would imagine that over a period of a thousand years...someone would have located at least one...hmm? And who better than the Maure themselves?
...that's an interesting take on the locations too! :D
Brother Fen wrote:
Are there any other gamers out there that have thought along these lines? If so, how well do you think the Chamber of Antiquities would adapt for the Starstone? Would one level suffice, or would Warlock's Walk need to be added as well?
I'm not familiar with Golarian, so I can't help, sorry Brother Ben.
Now that's interesting: I wasn't aware that
Warlock's Walk contained an octych.
I just checked the original manuscript and it's not mentioned in there (nor is the word "triangle"), so I wonder if this was added to the
d20 version of Warlock's Walk published in OJ#23?
Some quick research found an octych mentioned in the possession of the ruling house of the Duchy of Urnst, as discovered in their vaults by the Seer of Unrst (OJ23, p. 24). He appropriated the octych, then lost it in the nearby ruins of Inverness. That summarizes the octych's presence in OJ23, and there's not one found in the Warlock's Walk trials themselves, so far as I can tell.
So, it looks like the known locations are still just:
1. Castle Greyhawk.
2. Dragotha's Lair
3. Ghost Tower of Inverness
4. One possibly in Mordenkainen's possession?
Some interesting tidbits dropped by Rob in an article entitled "Advent of the Elder Ones: Mythos vs. Man in the Lake Geneva Original Campaign, 1973-1976", which is published in AFS#2, in case folks aren't aware of this new old-school publication. Details @ http://hallsoftizunthane.blogspot.com/
Erik Mona wrote:
The "Power" in Absolute Power is a reference to the Power Magic of the Suel, which (in my view) could have been unlocked by collecting the Octychs and untangling the eight adventures they led to.
So Eric, did you ever outline the rest of the Absolute Power series?---would love to see that rounded out someday :D
It appears 3.5e/d20 format in the Maure Castle issue #23 of the Oerth Journal @ http://oerthjournal.blogspot.com/p/oerth-journal-downloads.html
Rob had the 1e version on the Pied Piper site and you can access that @ http://web.archive.org/web/20110220184513/http://site.pied-piper-publishing .com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog& amp;id=44&Itemid=47
The PPP site is now down (and likely permanently), but you can still access the Maure Materials via archive.org:
IIRC both of these were also published in OJ23.
No kidding Grodog. Lost Erik-hawk lore is something I wish I could buy.
Did you ever outline the rest of the Absolute Power adventures, or sketch out some other parts of the series? You seems to have tied daemons into the series from early on, which is a nice touch, since they don't seem to get as much play as demons in Greyhawk.
I have a campaign set in the early 200s CY.
I ran one set in 175 CY: great minds... :D
I'm not aware of any maps like that, offhand, but they may be out there. You might consider posting the same Q to some other Greyhawk boards like Canonfire!, too.
I stand corrected :D but also forgot to ask Rob about this at the North TX RPG Con. Pop a Q into one of his recent blog posts, and I'm sure he'll respond.
I'll see if Rob can stop by and chime in here with some more-authoritative input...
Rob's pretty swamped (getting ready to move), but asked me to pass this along:
Rob Kuntz via email to grodog wrote:
So, that's the word, straight from the source :D
From my POV they are in fact different, but closely-related, dungeons: ERK was Rob's original campaign dungeon for the Kalibruhn campaign setting (like Castles Blackmoore and Greyhawk were the campaign dungeons for those settings). Maure Castle was the "equivalent" to ERK in Greyhawk, but as outlined in Dungeon 112, the original levels of MC don't align (to my understanding) of the original levels in ERK. So, I think there is definitely cross-pollination going on, I'm just not sure how much the two are "the same": if it's only 30% that's potentially a big difference vs. say 70-80% similarity.
I'll see if Rob can stop by and chime in here with some more-authoritative input....
I thought folks might not have noticed some recent posts on Rob's blog about his plans to release levels from Castle El Raja Key in 2010: see
I believe that the original three levels (from WG5 Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure) were discovered by Tomorast, and that they were side/adjunct levels to the main Maure Castle dungeons. My guess it that they were created by Uncle or another scion of the family, but I think that's a good question to ask Rob: poke him over on the PPP boards @ http://piedpiperpublishing.yuku.com/forums/27 and he should respond.
Offhand, I can think of several ways to tie together Rot8 and AoW:
a) if running Rot8 mostly-as-written:
1. add some bits of lost lore about Kyuss to Tenser's Keep (also good lead-ins to Maure Castle that way, too)
2. have some of the AoW NPCs be the representatives who pull the PCs into the mix, instead of the background as-written in Rot8 (i.e., replace Jallizari with Allustan)
3. have some of the raiders that Iuz hired originate from within Diamond Lake, and/or change some of the background for the DL NPCs to worship Iuz
b) if running AoW mostly-as-written:
1. change clues from DL/WC/AGoW to point to The Fortress of Unknown Depths/Tenser as sources to learn about Kyuss (heck, replace the whole "Library of Last Resort" with Tenser's Fortress)
2. insert the rescue of Tenser into AoW as a part of that plot; perhaps Dragotha/Lashonna/Kyuss fear Tenser's return---in particular---for some reason, and PCs are the ones who realize his criticality (replace Iggwilv with X above)
3. place Dragotha's phylactery in Tenser's artifact vault in Rot8, and leave the fortress as-is so that PCs must a) try not to loot everything in sight (Tenser is/was LG, afterall), and b) must still explore the keep pretty thoroughly to find the phylactery
This article may be of interest: http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=News&file=article& sid=268 It is content cut from my Living Greyhawk Journal article in Dragon 294, and includes some sample artifacts with means of destruction/nullification, and some general advice on using artifacts in your campaigns.
I had completely forgotten about this second Octych in the Worms AP... My players are 2 modules ahead of it. I can expect them to be owners of 2 octychs shortly (well, provided they succeed in defeating some very old undead dragon...).
If its problematic, you could always remove the second octych: there's nothing in that adventure of the following ones that require it to be present.
Mmmh after the AP, they will get the attention of so many more powers and factions (after Iggwilv, Iuz, the Circle of Eight, the thieves and Assassin's guilds of Greyhawk, the Seekers to name of few who could be harmful...)! If they manifest any interest in Maure Castle I think the Scarlet Brotherhood at least should attempt something before the end.
To that list, I would consider adding: various other independent NPCs like Mordenkainen, Circle of Eight, Rary, Drax, Vecna, etc. Or, perhaps some new evil group seeking the octychs for their own nefarious ends (this is what Mona started to do with his "Absolute Power" modules).
Thks for the suggestions above. I definitely need to design something now about the demi-planes... May be I can use the part about Kyuss in Elder Evils and design some epic additional adventure. Anyone knows if this could be relevant (I ordered it on Amazon a few days ago)?
I can't help you there, as I don't own that book.
Or populate one of the demi-planes with another world (one of the Green Ronin or Necromancer Games campaigns perhaps).
Definitely a possibility: you could always boost Vault of Larin Karr into a demi-planar dungeon level, or toss them into Lance Hawvermale's Hawkmoon setting, which is rather close to GH in feel (it could be a sister world of sorts). Dropping them into Grim from FFG could also be interesting.
Someone above suggested the demi-planes from Q1 which is another good idea, as would be using some of the Fading Lands (first created by Carl Sargent; I catalogued a bunch of them at http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_sites.html as well, and Canonfire! has done at least one postfest on them, and several more were detailed in articles (just search for "Fading Lands" without quotation marks) and in the Oerth Journal, too (see my index for pointers, though it's likely not current).
Other ideas: send them to Luna (see Return of the Eight for some ideas), or to some of the various other demi-planes already hinted at/published (EX1/2; WG6; Greek Myths area, etc. from S4; X2's Averoigne is a great candidate, too, as is the Forest of Lanterns DCC from Goodman Games). Send them forward or backward in time (Land of the Lost/Lost World/At the Earth's Core). Etc.
Gygax's Hall of Many Panes may have some interesting ideas to pillage here, too, but I've heard it's very uneven, so I wouldn't pick it up just for this if you don't already have it.
Are the Maure Castle levels of Dungeon easy to upscale for an epic party ?
I think so.
Rob's response over on the PPP boards:
From the original design intent, yes these were designed to be "jumping of pads" for future adventures, but it goes without saying that I included some more interesting alternatives since then, and as detailed in the unpublished notes for a related article I began crafting back in 2005: I. The Eight-Pointed Star [10m words]; which derives from over 25 listings of proposed articles and adventures seeded with GH lore I was combining in my Red Book file. Others in this vein I paste hereafter. Whether all of these can be done in context with all the name changes needed is a matter for future thought.
-- VI. Greyhawk's Spell Archetypes Based on the Suloise Ancient Texts [10m words]; XVI. The Suel Magi, Including the Ritual for the Invoked Devastation [12m words]; XII. The Yeomanry's Expeditions into the Sea of Dust [10m words]; XVII. Baklunish Ancient Magic, Formulas and the Colorless Fire [12m words]; XXI. The Lost Passage (adventure) [20m words]. ... --RJK
Threads @ http://piedpiperpublishing.yuku.com/topic/2636 for reference.
In addition to WG5 and the 3 Maure Castle issues of Dungeon, the Octychs are also hinted at in Erik Mona's "Absolute Power" RPGA Living Greyhawk adventures "River of Blood" and "As He Lay Dying."
Two octychs have been accounted for: the one in EttRoG and the in Dragotha's Lair in the Age of Worms adventure "Into the Wormcrawl Fissure" (in Dungeon Magazine 134,May 2006).
Rob Kuntz has also commented on the octychs to a limited degree in threads here at Paizo as well as on the Pied Piper boards but he hasn't revealed further mysteries that I recall.
Generic Villain wrote:
I'm not sure about the geography of Maure Castle itself. I don't own Dungeon 112, though if I recall correctly, I was a little confused by the dungeon's layout myself. As far as I could tell, the Maure family built themselves a massive dungeon complex, perhaps even rivalling Forgotten Realm's Undermountain in size.
That's correct: Maure Castle was the Greyhawk-based equivalent to RJK's "Castle El Raja Key", the megadungeon in his Kalibruhn campaign world (where EGG did his primary adventuring).
Generic Villain wrote:
As for the Maure family, their current status is kept intentionally vague. There's no real information on what happened to them after Elluvia betrayed them, though I recall reading hints that the elusive Uncle still existed in some form in the deepest reaches of his dungeon. As for the others, who knows? They may have died, or cloned themselves, or turned undead, or entered suspended animation, or... well you get the idea.
Exactly: you can mold them to be whatever and whoever you need them to be.
Generic Villain wrote:
That is, perhaps, the greatest tragedy of Paizo losing the rights to publish Dungeon.
I can't disagree with that, although never getting an Age of Worms hardcover ranks high up there too :(
Generic Villain wrote:
As for the eight-pointed key, my understanding was that each part of the key would open its own plane. As for what happens when you collect them all, who knows?
Like the family, you can shape it however you want to.
Generic Villain wrote:
I'm not sure if you know this, but a level of Maure Castle is also detailed in Dungeon 124 ("Chambers of Antiquity") and Dungeon 139 ("Return to Maure Castle").
RJK published one additional level: he wrote "Warlock's Walk" for GenCon 2007 (1e version on the PPP site, 3.5 conversion in the OJ#23 I mentioned in the previous post), and also published another Maure-related article there (it was originally intended to be a Living Greyhawk Journal article).
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