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The viability is not based on the success of it at a single venue.
Core is a solution to the problem. If your group doesn't want to view it that way and it doesn't work out for you, that sucks, but that doesn't make Core any less of a viable solution to the problem.
Yes, they are! Im glad we are on the same page!
Sometimes, but some of them lend themselves to being done at the moment too well. If you go out of your way to recruit someone to your faction and are successful at it, then Im probably gonna give you a bit of a bonus for roleplaying with that person for the rest of the scenario.
To be fair, these cards aren't any more trouble than the actual faction missions were. If your players are the kind who ask if there is a tea set in every room, they will be the kind who asks a dozen questions about their card over the course of the scenario.
It's the players that are the problem, not the card/mission.
I just find it a bit amusing that one of the reasons the faction missions were cut was to help cut down on time so the party could spend more time on the actual mission. And then a couple years later we have the cards.
Jared Thaler wrote:
Right. Now we have faction cards, so it's:
What country are we in?
Does this thing count as a minor artifact?
Is this guy a slave or captive?
Was this thing an evil outsider with a CR equal to or greater than my character level?
Do they allow slavery in this country?
Does this person count as someone I can recruit to be a part of my faction?
So we have removed the author requirement or putting faction missions into scenarios (which is great), but assuming your players have faction cards there doesn't seem to be too much of a difference in time spent on personal missions.
But that may just be me. :P
I don't know why you keep assuming Im a person from a 'large venue', but Im not. I know plenty about running events at small locations.
But you seem to be pretty set that this isn't going to work for you, so Im not going to fight you on it. You know your location better than I, and Im not concerned enough to argue about it til we're both blue in the face. If you wish to discuss it further, Im more than willing to try to help via PM so we don't drag this thread out, but aside from that, good luck.
You can organize those tables on your own; you don't need a VO to do it for you.
Im not suggesting you organize things your players don't like. If they don't like Core, then don't organize Core. Easy as that.
If they do like Core, enough to be ok with playing it anyway, then the problem is likely the way you are organizing it, if Im understanding your posts correctly.
You seem to be using Core as another form of 'tier' as which a game can be played. Don't use it like that. Instead treat the Core campaign as a whole other campaign worth of material to be used.
Basically, when you create your event for people to sign up for, have the table be designated as either Core or RPG, but the table stays that way (unforeseen circumstances aside). The playes are aware when signing up if its a Core table of the scenario or not, so they should know if they can play it, or if they have someone in tier, or not.
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:
Right, and its doable if the players are willing to work with you.
If the players are gonna boycott about what you are going out of your way to organize for them, then why do you want to organize for them? If they don't like it, they should organize their own events.
Ive got some people I could send your way then, too.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion to what makes the game fun for them. I enjoy it when I am able to contribute. I don't have to be the star, but I want to be helpful. And I find it annoying when other people aren't. Obviously you cant be helpful in every situation all the time, but as long as an effort is put forth, that's usually enough.
For a situation like OP describes, Id have to see it firsthand to see how annoying I would find it. If the bard is not doing anything at all but using Total Defense til the Oracle is hit, then yes, I would be annoyed by her lack of participation. If her character is actively built to be in the way and take the hits so others don't and works at doing that, then that's something else.
Core tables exacerbate the problem of geek Sudoku in small venues. Exponentially.
No. No it doesn't. It may not work for your venue, but it works just fine for others (like mine).
If the players are interested in Core, then you schedule Core tables. If the players are not interested in Core, then you don't schedule Core tables.
Step 1. Tell the other tables around you to quiet down.
In all seriousness, though, this...
Tabletop Giant wrote:
Or, little speakers around the table?
...is something that a young (like 9 or 10 years old, IIRC) girl GM did at Gencon a couple years ago. She wore a headset and spoke into the mic so the players could hear her. She ran a couple tables over the convention, and Mike made sure she had players.
Last I heard she has 2 or 3 stars. :)
Now how big the speakers were or how much they cost, I don't know, but it IS doable apparently. Other people have given some good advise, too.
Personally, Ive found trying to work around the layout of the room can be very beneficial:
Basically, Im likening the forgetting of the paper sheet to forgetting your chronicle sheets. The GM may be willing to work with you, but if you continue to do it, they aren't obligated to run for you.
This rule wasn't meant to give the GM the final decision on which medium you can run a character.
Though Im in total agreement about electronic die rollers. I don't like them.
Yes, that's what Im saying. Nefreet, nor anyone else, have no right whatsoever to boot someone from the table for insisting they will use HeroLab on their iPad to run their character.
If Nefreet wants to see their character sheet, they need to be able to provide a paper sheet to show to him so he doesn't have to worry about breaking their electronic device, according to the rule.
The rule is not in place so that Nefreet can say 'I don't like people using tablets, you have to use your paper instead.'
Now, I can see where the 'we strongly recommend you to work with the player' part could mean that Nefreet has the ability to ban people if he chooses, but I disagree. I don't think it means you can ban people for refusing to play off a paper, it means you should allow them to play anyway, even if they forget their paper.
@ Nefreet, I don't mean to be solely targeting you. Just using you here for shorthand for anyone who would rule this way.
Please provide a link to where it says paper copies must be accepted and electronic ones can be rejected just cause they are electronic.
I interpret it to mean that those statements have nothing to do with each other.
Using HeroLab (or other electronic character sheet) is legal.
If you use HeroLab as your character sheet, you must have a paper copy of your sheet available for the GM to look at if they need to see your sheet and want a paper one.
That in no way invalidates the electronic sheets and it in no way gives anyone the right to boot people from his table for using Herolab for their sheet.
Please link to the statement by Mike that only paper copies are legal character sheets.
But that's not what is being asked here, really. The rules state you MUST wear the shirt and that the folio DOESNT have to be filled out with the character info. The GMing insisting otherwise is wrong. They are no more within their right to impose different requirements on a player for that then they are to determine that they don't like the PF version of Power Attack or Dodge and will force everyone at their table to use the 3.5 version of the feat instead. Whether they like it or not, it's the rule.
This. He didn't like the rule.
Yes, and that was for the express purpose of making sure that you could pass it to the GM for their perusal if they wanted access to your sheet and not wanting to take the risk of dropping your laptop or tablet. Nowhere did he say you MUST use the paper copy.
Auke Teeninga wrote:
That's what I get for not reading the text. :P
Matt Lewis wrote:
You want the reroll? Wear the shirt.
Im in complete disagreement with you here.
Andrew Christian wrote:
If you want to see my character and want a paper copy instead? Sure thing. If youre going to boot me cause I want to run my character off my ipad instead of off the paper sheet, then Im sure I can find another table to play at.
Gary Bush wrote:
Youre thinking about it backwards. PFS didn't determine the setting, it was placed in the setting.
1. In the Pathfinder rules there are drow.
1. In Pathfinder there are Paladins.
Don't know how interested in GMing you are, or if you would be able to make it to Gencon, but for the past couple years (maybe not 2015, but the two before it at least), the boon for GMing at Gencon included an option for a full character rebuild. Last I knew, it took 7 slots (of 10 over the course of the convention) to earn it, but it can definitely be helpful.
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
So what about Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, Native American, Latin American, and South American cultures? I assume you arent wanting to lump them into a group as being ok with canabalism, since its a 'European' taboo, but that seems to be close to what you are unintentionally (Im sure) doing.
Perhaps you want to clarify again? :P
Auke Teeninga wrote:
A full rebuild is actually not an option, because the Eldrich archer was never legal to begin with.
Andrew Christian wrote:
I'd say the change to a different or no archetype would be free. But no other rebuild options would come free. Fortunately it is only 5pp to retrain a feat. At 4th level you likely have roughly 20 or so PP. So swapping a couple feats shouldn't be too expensive.
Hopefully Sebastian's suggestions above will come in handy. Maybe you can find something you like about his and work from there so it doesnt cost you half your PP to get back to having something functional and fun!. :)
I really dont like this idea. On top of what he said above, it is yet another thing that will take up additional time at the table.
Required, no. Useful, yes. Plus, its all about party makeup. We have several higher level archers and gunslingers who help make flight less necessary.
BTW, I dont think I knew you hit 2 stars. Have I given you a 2-star sheet yet?
Seth, I'm not actually lobbying for replays, it looks like you started your response before I added in my edit stating my position.
You would be correct. :P
I agree, organization can be one of the biggest problems. I regularly play 'Sign-up-Sudoku' a couple minutes before each session begins making sure that tables are good to go and everyone who wants a seat has one. Every now and then there will be a single player who isnt able to get a seat, but that is mostly due to them not signing up on Warhorn and not showing up til right at the start time.
I also drive 45+ minutes to get to that town. The town I live in is about 9,000. Perhaps a handful of my players come from the university. The majority of my players are over 25 and married. And I have some middleschoolers.
If your player base is as small as it sounds and yet you have so many people with nothing left to play, I highly suggest they start GMing. Its a great way to give back to the community and can seriously help lengthen your ability to gain credit.
Im not trying to discounting your experiences or difficulties, but neither should you discount those of people who live in a larger area. Just because the rule doesnt work well for your area, despite working for the vast majority of players out there, doesnt mean the rule needs to be fixed.
Edited population after Googling it. :P
Carlos Robledo wrote:
Agreed. None of my characters carry breath of life scrolls and only a few have potions of Fly.
Also, I dont support this change, as it will just enlongate and further complicate the process of getting the chronicle to the player.
On topic: Starsaber, if you have the contact information for any of the adult players, I would ask them personally if there was any reason why they havent come back. If it is because of the kids (Ive got my own batch of players that age, I know how they can be :P), then maybe offer to have a table run separately for them. I know our younger players, being the minority of the group, like to play together whenever possible, so it might be the same way with your few adult players preferring to play together instead of with a bunch of kids.
Undead Mitch and BNW: I live in rural southern Illinois. Like 6-7 hours south of Chicago. Carbondale, where I organize, has a population of roughly 26,000 during the semester, since its a university town.
I regularly sit about 8 tables per game day (4 per slot), twice monthly. We have only two players thus far that have significantly slowed their attendance due to lack of things to play*, and neither of those players have GMed more than a handful of scenarios each.
Please dont assume Drogon's success in Denver or nosig's in St Louis has anything to do with the size of the community.
*And by lack of things to play, I mean their list of sscenarios they have left is probably still 20-25 strong.
Unknown Ediology wrote:
Im betting its more likely these than Torch. Heck, Pasha is probably more likely than Torch.
Of course it could be...
Spoilers for Kalkamedes and Traitor's Lodge:
that glabrezu, assuming you are among the people who believe it to be the same one. I could see it being him and Thurl.
Yes. If the pregen dies, I would be fine with just marking down an unused number for the player instead of a character they are already using (like you are supposed to do when normally using a pregen), but if the pregen gets a disease and has to pay to get it fixed or something, that is gold that will come out of the pocket of the character it gets applied to.