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Don't hate me... To me this is the WORST book out so far.

I understand this is your opinion, but... really? The WORST book so far? That seems a tad hyperbolic, don't you think?

I got mine and find this book great if you are a new player, or you want to Min/Max your character so bad it is not funny.

You know what IS funny? This book was created precisely for *new players*.

I am seeing more and more of Pathfinder becoming a Min/Maxer system. I see it in PFS, I see it in regular play. This book offers nothing to a player of more than 5 year.

This book wasn't really supposed to offer anything to a seasoned player, except a way to help introduce new players to the world of tabletop RPGs. As for Min/Maxing... well, how (or why) exactly would you create a book of bad strategies? A new player doesn't have the experience and insight to understand the nuance of how to create a Wizard with a couple flaws. No one wants to play a completely gimped character, but that doesn't mean you have to go the complete opposite and min/max every little detail. This book is meant to give NEW PLAYERS some of that insight so they know where the heck to even start.

If your new to Pen and Pager RPG, then this book might be for you, that is if you want to make a character that is so bad arse they can kill a dragon at 5th level. If you want to play a good realiastic flawed character that is far more fun to RP... then avoid this book.

Once again, the Paizo team has said numerous times in this thread that this book was geared toward new players that were having trouble making sense of the game with the Core Rulebook alone. This shouldn't be coming as a surprise.

But do not take advice from a gamer of 30+ years, unless you want good advice

I'm having trouble understanding how someone that has been gaming for 30+ years could have a problem with the introduction of a book for new players. The only reason that makes sense that I can come up with is that you're worried this will bring new players into the tabletop RPG world. Perhaps you're worried about the barrier of entry being too low? Bitter that 'kids these days' have it so easy? I mean really, you couldn't make yourself sound any more like a grumpy ol' grouch than with this post. :P

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Paizo - this book is GREAT! I can't wait to show it to my group, as we're all newbies to the tabletop RPG world, and most of group has trouble opening the CRB and spending too much time in there without losing interest. We all enjoy playing the game and this will only serve to make it better!

My group has. We were all tabletop RPG newbies and are now having lots of fun in the CRB. However, I am looking forward to the Strategy Guide as it sounds like it will have the kind of information we want.

Vic, Lisa, Paizo - thank you for this!

I'm 26 and until 2012 I had never played a tabletop RPG. My wife and I, after watching the D&D episode of the TV show Community (and just from being geeks), decided to purchase the Pathfinder Beginner Box because it seemed like it could be fun.

A few weeks later we gathered two other couples that had never played tabletop RPGs and gave it a shot. It was a ton of fun and we spent the next year playing (every few weeks or so) through the Beginner Box adventures, and some homebrew adventures.

When we finally finished the Beginner Box we took a long break of several months. Now we're diving in with the Core Rulebook, Rise of the Runelords Anniversary Edition, Bestiary 1, Gamemastery Guide, Inner Sea Guide and more. I'm loving the world you've created and the system of rules to play in.

But as you've said, it's a lot of information and it's spread all around. Our group, while very excited to enjoy Pathfinder, can't individually dedicate the time to really dig in to the rules and glean strategies and "good ideas" for how to play or what would even be a sensible choice.

The Strategy Guide was made for us (and apparently a lot of middle-schoolers :P) and I'm very excited to get a copy in my hands. Thank you for trying to push Pathfinder to a wider audience.

Also, I for one would love a "download the whole shebang" option.

Thank you for the replies,

And in both of your examples, how do I factor in the bonuses they would get to those checks? Every player is going to have a bonus to stealth and perception.

I'd just get the character sheet for the full game and start transcribing the info from the BB sheet. Once you've filled in all that you have, see what is missing and go from there.

The GM guide specifies that the "glass vial of orange liquid" is a cure light wounds potion.

But you can also make up whatever. Up to you.