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There's something hinky going on with the ACP. I haven't done a full investigation or looked at the code but it seems if I set P-Back to Stone Plate the ACP shows up on L-Front as well as P-Front. However if I set L-Front to Stone Plate the ACP shows up at the top of the skill list but isn't applied to the pertinent skills. Can clarify further if necessary.

Zo

EDIT: It also seems that the Dex bonus to AC isn't implemented on the L-Front sheet unless armor is added.

Hmm, do you have the Selector_Active_Sheet (which defaults to Landscape) set to the appropriate sheet? The ACP is now one of the universal calcus. With this selector set, I didn't see any problems right off with ACP or the Dex mod to AC. If it is set properly and you still have problems, we can dig a little further. I did notice that on the P-Front sheet there are values in the Perm Mod for abilities that should be cleared...

Allow me he chance to tell you that I appreciate all of your hard work! Keep it up! Smurf! (Sorry I had to experiment the smurf post rumor in honor of my 250th post)

Edit: It's True!

Thanks. And I'm a fan of smurfing on your smurf-hundred and smurfth post!

Constance Superne wrote:

Ilya Shukhov wrote:

Oleg's Trading Post in 3D!

Wow, just wow!!!

BEYOND WOW, really nice tool!! where do you get this one I could use it xD for tabletop also =)

Oh! back also from my emergency call

I may be wrong, but I believe that one used Google Sketch-Up.

And so it happens. I need more space, I need more $, And I haven't cracked a cover on any of my 3.5 books since Pathfinder rolled out in strength. I have a large collection--almost everything WotC ever published for the "core" or generic D&D setting, plus mosts of the Forgotten Realms and Eberron books.

Any folks here have advice on the best means of turning these into cash? I'm not looking to gouge anyone, just get a fair market value and sell as many as I can to as few people as possible for logistical reasons.

Barring any other options, I suppose I'll go the eBay route.

Thanks for any assistance/thoughts!

Thanks for the kinds words! I'm glad to (hopefully) be back in a more regular pace for updates now...

As for the phantom attack penalty, check to see if you have a klar in the Shield block (I left it in by mistake). Removing that took away the penalty for me. Now, I need to find out why it put that penalty in when I set the Shield Readied selector (which is now in the AC section, by the way) to "No"...

EDIT: Found it...needed to put a Shield_Readied check in the ArmorShield_Attack_Penalty calculation. Anybody interested in fixing this before my next release, change the following in the ArmorShield_Attack_Penalty_L and ArmorShield_Attack_Penalty_P formulas:

+IF(Shield_Readied_X="Yes",IF(OR(AND(Shield_X<>"None",OR(ISNUMBER(FIN D("Shield Proficiency",Feats_Known)),Shield_Prof)),AND(Shield_X="Tower Shield",OR(ISNUMBER(FIND("Tower Shield Proficiency",Feats_Known)),Shield_Prof_Tower))),0,Shield_Penalty_X),0)

Where "X" is either "L" or "P" depending on which sheet you are changing...

Oh, and make sure if you copy this from the forum that their are no spaces in the formula.

Erian listens intently to Gaelen and Constance, obviously interested in learning more about his companions as well. He bids Constance good night when she leaves, then offers up his own story. "Gaelen, I'd say as much as you are a hunter of bounties, I am a hunter of knowledge. I traveled the whole of the Inner Sea region with my father, at least up until I was "of age" for schooling and he pulled some strings and placed some coin top run me through the various schools in Absalom. My skill lies primarily in cartography and wilderness lore, though I'm a fair shot with a bow when need be and also love to spin a good tale. When my father went off to the map Mwangi Expanse last year, I sorely wanted to go with him. However, he said it was time for me to walk my own path, at least for a time. A few of his friends in the Society pointed me this direction, seeing as my strength in map-making would come in handy and my skill at survival might mean I'd outlast the more bookish cartographers. So, here I am..."

Sense Motive 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (14) + 1 = 15 (+2 vs. humans)

Well, the true test of a map is how much play it sees...I've spent hours on a map that the players blew through in 30 minutes!

I'm a Photoshop mapper as well, focused right now on Legacy of Fire. You can see my work on the Refuge of Nethys and the Monastery (which actual involved some terrain building) over in the LoF forum.

That map of Oleg's is very nice. I'll have to pass it along to my friend that's running Kingmaker.

If you're looking for mapping support, you should also check out RPGMapShare, Creative Gremlins, and The Mad Mapper. All of these have nice textures, icons, tiles, etc. for use in mapping.

/Reaches into the grave and pulls forth a dead and moldy thread.

Hey erian! I'm running my players through "Refuge" this weekend, and recently came across your fantastic maps. Well done! I was wondering if you might be at all amenable to posting the PSDs or other sources via Yousendit or another venue. Or perhaps uploading a version sans squares.

I was wanting to adjust the grid to five foot squares for our group. My players can be very grumpy about scales :)

Again, thanks so much for a fantastic resource!

Sure, let me see if I can dig those up...

I also have a BMP of the monastery sanctuary if that's of interest.

Erian wanders toward the group--it seems he's been surveying the place for his endless map-making..."What's all this about drinking and bandits? I should probably be clear in my intent. I am here to explore and document this wild land more than kill everything that crosses me. Now, of course I'm all for defending the rule of law, but advise we considers words before blood when possible."

Bowing to Oleg and Svetlana, he then introduces himself, "Erian El'ranelen, son of Sevren, and charterd cartographer for this merry band. My services are yours for the asking."

Perception 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (14) + 7 = 21 (+2 vs. Humans)

Alrighty, I've got the next release ready:

Character Sheet File: PRPG_CS_v_0_8_11.zip

I've added non-slotted magic item sections on the Back pages, and have entered data for those down to the crystal balls. This one also fixes various internal items, including:

• Alchemist Feral Mutagen natural attacks
  
• Thunder and Fang, Aldori Dueling Mastery, and Cornugon Shield feats
  
• Misc 2 and Misc 3 AC entries
  
• Acrobatic and Weapon Finesse feats for animal companions

I've got lots more to do, and luckily this week is looking really nice for hammering away at things!

They are found in the article Of Cities and Kings in Rivers Run Red, which is part 2 of the Kingmaker AP. So, all in one place...

Heh, that's just sad on the player's part--if you don't like a game, speak up and help fix it!

For this game, I'll note that PbP is a balancing act of RP and combat. Too much combat (which I'd classify as being as much as you'd expect in a tabletop game) can bog the whole thing down since each combat can take days to complete. So, that leaves a larger balance of time for RP. For the RP, though, you've got to use a careful hand in letting things run their course versus moving the game forward. I think you did well with that thus far.

In my PbP games, I usually set a post rate requirement--something like 1 post per every 24 hours, or per 8 hours during combat. Failure to post in that time frame results in the GM rolling/NPCing the character to keep things flowing. This is a fairly accepted practice in PbP and I think you handled it fairly well for our first combat. Simply roll all the dice in an OOC section and folks can see things are going appropriately.

Summarize each round and give an init count so everyone can readily see where they are in the combat cycle.

For summaries, use a standard, consistent format. I favor all the IC stuff first, then a second section for OOC. All speech in bold and thoughts in italic. That's just an example, but having everyone doing the same thing often helps avoid confusion.

Much of this is already happening, so probably just reinforcing what you already know...

Looks like you're filling up for this one, and as it turns out I'll be running this mod at our local July meetup. So, I'll give over Rauno's spot to Quarrion...

As far as I'm concerned, the wiki is correct.

You may want to take care with that statement, since I changed all the wiki entries to allow Neutral clerics...

Erian steadies himself on his horse using his knees, then stabs down at the wolf with his rapier.

Ride Check 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (15) + 4 = 19
Rapier Attack 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (12) + 3 = 15
Rapier Damage 1d6 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 1 = 5

seriously electronic dice roller?

Don't forget the +1 from bardic music...

Okay, back from Star Wars and had a blast! I highly recommend this to anyone that's a fan. Of course, I don't think they're hitting that many North American sites...

Now, for the game, it looks like a pesky wolf has dared to attack Erian! I'm not sure where we are at in the initiative order, but once I get that lined up I should be good to go.

Dagnabit. It's always about the money!

Now, to bring this back around to the purpose of this thread, if a Neutral cleric looks at porn on the Internet, would he become Evil?

Wait.

There's porn on the Internet?

How'd that happen!?!

Hey all, going to the Star Wars exhibit tomorrow with my wife, son, and family friends. So, I provided a bit of extra detail for Erian so my absence won't slow down combat too much (I hope).

erian_7 wrote:

Shot down in the forums, though. Most of our local players don't read the forums, nor consider them official. So, when we're running games at our meet-up I stick to printed material only to avoid arguments. It's not a problem for my home game--it goes however I want (with consideration for player concepts/desires) of course.

You're just going for rule0 as your defense here erian. Which is fine, if you and your group want to run it your way, more power to you for it.

I'm not sure if you mean my home game or the meet-up?

For home games, like I said it's not an issue. We've had a consistent group for years, and they roll with whatever craziness I come up with (currently, HP are measuring fatigue (at 25% character is Fatigued, at 0 HP character is Exhausted) and they can spend them to do stunts. Critical hits deal actual Con damage (1 point per crit multiplier). And I don't give out any standard magic items--all the normal "+1 to this check, +2 to that ability" stuff is handled with an Advantage Point System). So yeah, we pretty much do what we want.

At meet-ups, however, it's not possible to know who will be playing or what familiarity they have with the game. As such, it's much easier to go with printed material only, no house rules, since that ensures everyone is on a level playing field. Rule 0 doesn't work nearly as well here, although I'm not hesitant to make a call mid-game if necessary to keep things moving. This is a much more "organized play" atmosphere, even if we're not playing an official OP system/module.

Shot down in the forums, though. Most of our local players don't read the forums, nor consider them official. So, when we're running games at our meet-up I stick to printed material only to avoid arguments. It's not a problem for my home game--it goes however I want (with consideration for player concepts/desires) of course.

Yep, just like the guns in Alkenstar getting toned down historically. I do hope they make an actual statement regarding pantheism in the Inner Seas book, however. Otherwise the elves at least have a pretty good "get out of jail" card on the issue.

To be clear, though, this is all in forum posts, not from a published source it seems. This is a fairly important distinction, since not everyone reads the forums. As such, a person using Elves of Golarion would be fully justified in having pantheistic clerics. Hopefully they'll put more teeth to this in the Inner Seas supplement...

For my tastes, I actually like the shift to oracles as the pantheistic representative. Having the "old elves" that still follow those gods be oracles instead of clerics gives a nice distinction between the old and new cultures among elves that fled vs. those that stayed behind.

Sorry, I missed that dialogue...in any case, I'm not talking godless clerics here, but rather pantheistic clerics. I don't have any position on godless clerics--it's not something that's every come up (or likely to) in my games and so hasn't been an issue.* Since I'd been playing around with some elven concepts, that bit from EoG immediately popped to mind.

*If it did come up, I'd allow it. I'm an old Mystara fan, and being a cleric of a philosophy rather than a god was a basic part of that campaign setting. The "godless cleric abuse" problems I've seen from players just trying to get the best domain combo doesn't fly in my games--I just whack such a silly player with the GM-hammer. No rules necessary.

Is there a particular reference that states Golarion clerics cannot be pantheistic? I know the Cleric entry states most are dedicated to a single deity, but there are documented occurrences of pantheistic clerics in Golarion. For instance:

Elven faith is more pantheistic than that of many races, and while a particular elf might favor one deity over another, all are acknowledged and respected. Even elf clerics worship this way and may select their domains from different elven deities, including those of Desna, Calistria, and Nethys.

This pretty clearly lets elves, at least, be truly pantheistic clerics.

A search for "headband of vast intelligence" on the messageboards will return tons of hits. Reading through those, you will find answers from James, Jason, Josh, Sean, etc. They all say the same thing, as we've noted here. If you have a GM that is having difficulty with this, perhaps reference them to this thread and we can help work it out?

"Thanks, friend. Erian El'ranelen at your service. And if it pleases everyone, I've got elk steak ready for roasting if anyone's interested." Erian slaps the backstrap he had carried in down on the table to illustrate his point. He calls out to the entire room "Meat for any that take a liking! and then adds, with a look to the bar, "assuming you folks are up for the cooking?"

Taking a seat with Caelin, he again calls out to the crowd, "And I might spin a tale or two, if any are interested in hearing such things..."

StabbittyDoom wrote:

@VW: A bonus is considered permanent if it lasts more than 24 hours. If you have had a headband on that long, it counts.

Going strictly by that though, a Headband of Vast Intellect would in fact provide 3 benefits. +2/4/6 to INT, +1/2/3 skills at max ranks, and +1/2/3 additional skill ranks per level since you have a higher INT modifier. I highly doubt that was what was intended here

The headband, however, has a specific exception to the general rule, as noted in its description. I'll grant that the description could be more explicit in noting that the granted skills replace any bonus skill points, but Paizo staff have confirmed this is the correct interpretation.

EDIT: Just curious, here you have an entire forum section devoted to rules questions. Why is it we only ever get players telling other people their interpretations and what they found in the sources they have access to? Why don't the wonderful people who published this lovely material ever clarify the rulings for us, since they had intended them to be used in certain ways?

They do come on here and answer questions. They've answered this one, in fact (it'll just require a little searching). Folks like me that are on the forum every day just know the conversation has already occurred and so provide the previously stated answers.

True, but if you really want the INT that badly, why would you waste twice the cost on an item that cannot be improved instead of paying 1.5 times the abilities price and tacking it on to the same headband?

That assumes the GM allows magic item customization--I've ran into plenty that don't. And of course, it also assumes access to someone that can craft said item. I, for instance, generally don't allow players to purchase items at will for characters--they get what they find, or else what few things might be available in larger cities. Some take item creation feats to compensate, but that's not been very common.

Erian takes care of his mount, ensuring it is adequately rubbed down and able to rest for the next day before securing some feed and water. Looking in his coin pouch, he counts only two silver. Hmm, I wonder if they'll knock a bit off in trade for some fresh meat...otherwise I'll have to get some coin back on a room.

Looking up at Xenos, he asks, "So, where are the rest? And do you think anyone here will be up for a little trade on some meat and a rousing tale? I could spin a yarn or two that might be of interest, I'm certain!"

IF you wanted to get it implanted, or set it in a wayfinder, you could, I concede the point.

However, you would need to acquire either of those(iono how common wayfinders are but looks like thats another target for theives, or how hard it is to implant as I don't have the Seeker of Secrets) as well as the Ioun Stone(which costs double what a headband of intellect does and is not upgradable to +4 or +6 as the headband is)

So you are spending twice the amount base, plus an extra 500/18k/70k/136k gold on a wayfinder, or taking the time and materials and whatever else is involved in implanting.. or you can spend 4k on a headband, your arguement of it being easy sorta seems empty by comparison, it's not simple, simply illogical and not efficient in the least.

I'm not arguing efficiency or logic, just core rules application. The wayfinder is only 500 gp, and wouldn't be any more subject to theft than a general magic item (such as a belt or headband...). Thus, it's fairly easy to make an ioun stone grant a permanent Enhancement bonus. This specifically has applications for folks that might want to use their Belt or Head slots for other magic items.

erian_7 wrote:

Nope, the ioun stone bonus can easily be made permanent by implanting the ioun stone (as noted in Seeker of Secrets)

Just now read the method of implantation. I now have greater respect for Karzoug. 20 times? The man is hardcore.

Heh, yep. I myself wouldn't make it through one time...I'm all for the wayfinder option! :^D

EDIT: And this does get me to thinking--I guess all those folks with belts and headbands never take them off! Bathing must be an issue...

Looks like we need a rule of "takes it off and doesn't put it back on for X period of time" or some such.

Thanks! It's not a survival issue, obviously. Just a little something to do...

And it's not an assumed automatic at all, I don't understand where this comes from. Leaving it 'on' doesn't disturb your rest at all...unlike the other examples above.

==Aelryinth

It is from the ioun stone descriptive text, which states, "The owner may voluntarily seize and stow a stone (to keep it safe while she is sleeping, for example), but she loses the benefits of the stone during that time."

Obviously, I also do not see this as any sort of assumed on/off with ioun stones during sleep.

Nope, the ioun stone bonus can easily be made permanent by implanting the ioun stone (as noted in Seeker of Secrets) or else setting it in a wayfinder. Also, they do not have to be removed at night--they may be voluntarily stowed, but this is not required. In either case, the user then has an Enhancement bonus to Intelligence that lasts more than 24 hours, and thereby gains bonus skill points.

Erian El'ranelen wrote:

And I'm back! I see the others made it to the settlement. How did the hunting turn out? Once I know that, Erian will show up a bit late with whatever he's found.

Read THIS.

Hmm, does that mean we didn't actually go hunting?

No they do not!

Watch the wording, you do not get retroactive skill points to spend, you instead get automatic max ranks, there is a big difference. Each INT item gives a certain skill for every +2 enhancement bonus to INT it provides(odd bonuses and non-enhancements give nothing). You do not gain additional skill points each level to spend on whatever you want, instead the associated skill(s) are automatically bumped up to max ranks.

See my notes up-thread. This is specifically true for the head of vast intelligence only. Such a mechanic is not noted, for instance, in the ioun stone entry.

erian_7 wrote:

Permanent enhancement bonuses from other sources (for instance, from a scarlet and blue ioun stone) are not tied to specific skill selections.

Oh ! You are right. I tend to forget about other sources of enhancement bonuses to various stats. I'm not a big fan of floating stones around the head.

But then the question arises : since they are both enhancement bonuses (say you wear both a headband of intellect +2 and a +2 Int stone), how do they interact ? You get flat +1 on DCs, +1 skill pt per HD, rank = HD in a particular skill, bonus spells as per a flat +2 to int ?

-Jelly

Yep, the bonuses won't stack, since they're both Enhancement, so you just end up with a +2 to Int. I suppose the GM would have to make the call one how the skill points interact--I'd say the character would get a bonus skill point per level/HD in any skill from the ioun stone and leave it at that since it's the easiest solution.

erian_7 wrote:

Heh, we'll be twinnies with our wand-wielding elves (Rauno's arcane bond is to a wand).

And I must have had the bad mojo when I rolled--everyone else (excepting vagrant-poet) looks to be getting 25-40 point buy characters! Of course, I don't really need much beyond that 19 Int anyway...

Hm. Want me to switch to a different bond? A party theme might be interesting, but there is something to be said for diversity.

Also, Lordzack - just to be clear, we're starting at lvl 1?

No switch necessary, as far as I'm concerned. Wands are a pretty archetypal "wizard" device, so it seems fine to me. Rauno's wand is all crystal and wire, to honor his favored deity and tie into the "crystal ball" theme of divination.

Charender wrote:

Yes, they do.

Permanent Stat boosts from leveling or wishes take effect immediately.

Boost from permenant magic items take effect after you have worn the item for one full day.

Actually the wording isn't very clear on this subject but i'm pretty sure RAI was to forgo completly the added skills pts granted by the Int increase in favor of a fix number of skills (1 skill for +2 int item, 2 skills for +4 items, 3 skills for +6 items) in which the character is granted ranks = HD.

-Jelly

That is specifically for the headband of vast intelligence, which states:

A headband of vast intelligence has one skill associated with it per +2 bonus it grants. After being worn for 24 hours, the headband grants a number of skill ranks in those skills equal to the wearer's total Hit Dice. These ranks do not stack with the ranks a creature already possesses. These skills are chosen when the headband is created. If no skill is listed, the headband is assumed to grant skill ranks in randomly determined Knowledge skills.

Permanent enhancement bonuses from other sources (for instance, from a scarlet and blue ioun stone) are not tied to specific skill selections.

I noticed a couple of things on my cavalier mount when working through your sheet.

Alertness doesn't appear on the list of feats it can take.

Josh Frost has stated that you get 4.5 HP per HD at level one. So a mount should have 2x4.5 + 2xCON HP at level one.

Yep, I've got lots of work necessary on the companions--including feats, skills, etc...

i noticed an error on 8.10 yesterday and forgot to post it. languages seem to me off. i've got a tiefling rogue that's got an +4 INT modifier at lvl 1. so his base for INT before the racial modifiers is a +3. when you look at the languages and linguistics area, it says i only have 3 languages. a couple levels later i put a point in linguistics and it raised it to 4 available languages.

i'm by no means an expert in excel, but what it looks like to me is that the sheet is checking the INT modifier before racials are applied to determine the number of known languages.

You are correct...fixed it!

Thunder and Fang style is not letting you equip the Klar as a shield. The Klar is properly recognized as a light weapon when used this way, but changing the option under armor to say the Klar is readied throws up red flags.

I'm actually working on Thunder and Fang, Aldori Dueling, and Coprnugan Shield, as all three feats at present assume use of the Landscape view.

Animal companions are missing the weapon finesse feat. There was a typographical error in the first PDF that left it out.

For a sling, I can't find how to specify I'm using bullets (1d6), it's stuck at 1d4.

A few more strength ratings for composite bows would be nice.

Thanks

Yes, I'm fixing the Weapon Finesse along with other items noted in the latest errata

As for the sling, I'm not sure what you mean? Medium slings deal 1d4 damage. This is with a bullet. Using a rock would actually deal 1d3 damage and suffer a -1 attack penalty. I'm not aware of any bullet that deals 1d6 for a Medium sling.

Adding some more composite bow strengths shouldn't be a problem.

Animal companions with an Int of 3 can choose any skill

Yep, this is one of the things (as noted above) I need to work on with companions...

The reference is in the Glossary:

"Ability bonuses with a duration greater than 1 day actually increase the relevant ability score after 24 hours. Modify all skills and statistics related to that ability. This might cause you to gain skill points, hit points, and other bonuses. These bonuses should be noted separately in case they are removed."

Numerous Paizo folks have confirmed that you do indeed get retroactive skill points, as some folks aren't sure the above is clear enough on the point.

Heh, we'll be twinnies with our wand-wielding elves (Rauno's arcane bond is to a wand).

And I must have had the bad mojo when I rolled--everyone else (excepting vagrant-poet) looks to be getting 25-40 point buy characters! Of course, I don't really need much beyond that 19 Int anyway...

My guess on why the Neutral clerics were left out is still the same--various people created those wiki articles and at least one of them was using the old 3.5 restrictions. I have since gone through all LN, CN, NG, and NE entries and corrected them to allow Neutral clerics. Every one of these alignments had a mix of allowing and not allowing Neutral clerics, with the only discernible pattern being source, e.g all of the dwarven gods were set to allow Neutral, while all of the Four Horsemen were not. This suggests to me that someone entered all the dwarven gods and used the PRPG rules, while someone else entered the Four Horsemen and used the 3.4 rules.

I did check Gods and Magic before doing so to ensure there weren't any alignment restrictions noted (there were none), but of course that is a 3.5 OGL source. It may be that the new CS will provide more insight into actual setting restrictions.

This is all in the sticky area of alignment, and the rules clearly place adjudication for that as a GM call:

In the end, the Game Master is the one who gets to decide if something's in accordance with its indicated alignment, based on the descriptions given previously and his own opinion and interpretation—the only thing the GM needs to strive for is to be consistent as to what constitutes the difference between alignments like chaotic neutral and chaotic evil. There's no hard and fast mechanic by which you can measure alignment—unlike hit points or skill ranks or Armor Class, alignment is solely a label the GM controls.

Given this, it seems readily apparent to me that having Neutral clerics serving Neutral Evil or Neutral Good gods is allowed by core rules and restricting this, while perhaps reasonable/logical, is ultimately up to the GM as a house rule. Barring source material stating this restriction explicitly, trying to "prove" anything else seems pointless to me.

Remco Sommeling wrote:

sirmattdusty wrote:

Well I think my questions have been answered then. A cleric of Norgorber can indeed be True Neutral. and it works well since the cleric is all about secrets and spying anyway vs murder, poison, ect. Thanks everyone!!!

Some faiths might just be hard to combine with a neutral alignment, if the priesthood demands regular evil acts of worship it could rule out a non-evil alignment. Personally I think such is the case here

This is kinda my feeling as well. While N may be doable to most NE gods I am not so sure on this one. Kinda like Sarenrae not having good clergy I do not think a neutral one would last very long among her clergy if at all.Same with the god of murder, if your not willing to gleefully kill and murder why should he even grant your spells?

I agree with this in general, but for specific game application this restriction should be noted in an official product. Barring that, core rules apply and I see no restriction.

For your chart, I'm not certain why you make a distinction that LN can have a N cleric but NG cannot? There is no mechanic restricting this option from anything I've read.

I just edited the wiki page to allow Neutral clerics...note, this is one of the reasons you cannot trust a wiki as a definitive source of information, since anybody can change the data to anything...

Also note that the core book has rules for using the Pathfinder game system, but the data for Norgorber comes from a Golarion source, does it not? If it does, then the world source trumps the core rulebook.

To use an example from previous editions, paladins had to worship LG, LN, or NG deities. But Sune in the Realms had the occasional paladin yet was a CG deity. Specific info trumped the general. I'd find the original source for Norgorber.

Note that neither the campaign setting nor Gods and Magic restricts Norgorber to only evil clerics. I checked several of the alignment charts on the wiki and found that some had a N allowed and some did not. I checked both NE and NG gods. So, it looks like these entries were done by different people, and at least one of those people is working under the old 3.5 rule restricting N clerics to N gods.

In using the Additional Rules alignment chart, it clearly allows NE gods to have LE, NE, CE, and N clerics by a strict application of the instructions ("Occasionally the rules refer to “steps” when dealing with alignment. In this case, “steps” refers to the number of alignment shifts between the two alignments, as shown on the following diagram. Note that diagonal “steps” count as two steps.").

My conclusion--a Neutral cleric of Norgorber is allowed.

Erian El'ranelen wrote:

Okay, Erian is done...

Erian El'ranelen

I assume your favored class is why you have +2 skill points? You only get one. Sorry.

No, actually that was just a miscount on my part when totaling up the skill points--fixed it!