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Rynjin wrote:
demontroll wrote:
Advice for the GM who needs to deal with the Ranger Archer: Cast Dominate Person on the Ranger, and then force the Ranger to mow down the party. Rangers have weak Will saves, so even if they get a +2 bonus for doing something against their nature, they have a good chance of failing. Make sure the 'bad guy' is true neutral, so Protection from Evil won't thwart this tactic.

They also have a minor Wis focus, so at 13th level I'd be surprised if his Ranger didn't have 16-18 Wis. A re-roll with a +2 makes the odds of this tactic working slim at best.

And if it does work, the players will probably be pissed that you couldn't hold your ego in check about NPCs getting killed and decided to kill off a PC.

If the ranger put lots of points into WIS, which wouldn't help to maximize their archery damage, then they deserve to make their Will save. Now a Zen archer can maximize Wisdom and Archery damage.

Dominate won't kill the character who gets dominated. It would be more of a problem for the remaining characters who are about to be filled full of arrows. So dominate wouldn't work for GM ego revenge.

For GM ego revenge, I suggest a room jam packed with first level sorcerers who only know Magic Missile. A CR 13 encounter has 25600 XP, so that is 128 level 1 sorcerers at 200 XP each. If they all cast magic missile at the same target, they would do 128 x (1d4+1) = 448 damage.

Thinking on the original subject, I'm guessing the bard and cleric spend the first round buffing, the ninja moving into position, and the archer making a full attack for lots of damage. So it makes sense that the archer is the target. Either the rest of the group needs to be more of an immediate threat, or the archer needs to spend a round or two self-buffing so they are not the primary target.


Advice for the GM who needs to deal with the Ranger Archer: Cast Dominate Person on the Ranger, and then force the Ranger to mow down the party. Rangers have weak Will saves, so even if they get a +2 bonus for doing something against their nature, they have a good chance of failing. Make sure the 'bad guy' is true neutral, so Protection from Evil won't thwart this tactic.


Wand of True Strike combined with a combat maneuver of your choice.

Or get like 20 level 1 Pearls of Power. They are pretty cheap, if someone has craft Wondrous Item.


Play a character who is cowardly and manipulative. Try to get others to do the dangerous stuff, while you stay safe. A character who can summon monsters of some sort, can send them in to the danger to sacrifice themselves for your ends. Don't play a good character, helping others will just get you killed.

Look at what got your previous characters killed, and take steps to prevent it from happening again. Are other players having their characters killed, or is it just you?

Mirror Image. Cast this the first round of every combat, if you don't already have it up. If you get down to only one image, cast it again, or retreat.

Get a follower who can heal. Ideally, get them to cast Shield Other on you, effectively doubling your hit points.

Have an escape plan. This could be as simple as an invisibility potion. You need a way to escape when things get bad.

Be really paranoid. Overly super paranoid. Take lots of precautions. Always assume someone is watching or following you. People pretending to be friendly, are out to get you.

Take defensive feats like Dodge and Toughness, don't worry about not being effective, just worry about survival.


Elven wizard. They are technically proficient in longbows, and may even use the longbow a little bit at low levels.

If you are looking to be good at archery, then Zen Archer for the good saves and tons of good archery bonus feats and abilities.


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When I play a character, I try not to metagame, but instead play the character based on the character's personality, and what they know. So, my character would have gone along for the ride, similar to how the other characters acted. Also, good aligned characters shouldn't be killing everything on sight, especially creatures that present themselves as friendly.

As a rule, I don't play characters without darkvision, so the lack of light wouldn't have been a problem, although I can see why the night blind characters would want to turn back.

I'm not sure why you are calling your adventure a 'flop'. It sounds like it would have been fun.


Human Fighter wrote:
He took strength damage and fell. I.got a cleric with breath of life restoration and stuff. How do I save my friend?

If your friend collapses at the gaming table, you should call 911, and start CPR if he isn't breathing and/or he doesn't have a pulse.


Enforcer feat is nice. Your unarmed attacks count as light weapons that can do nonlethal damage, if you choose. So it lets you get a free chance to apply the Shaken condition with Intimidate.

I'd go Brawler + Hexcrafter Magus, myself. Then you could add Hex Strike to put people to sleep or to stack on layers of Evil Eye.

Then combine with the spell Frostbite for extra damage and debuffing.


That makes sense. Thanks for the answer.


A 4th level Bard with the Voice of the Wild archetype can know how to cast a single second level Druid spell. Would knowing this singular second level divine spell count as "being able to cast second level divine spells"?

The intent would be to qualify for the Divine Protection feat as a 4th level bard, multi-classed with one level of oracle, and taking 5 ranks of KS Religion.


Hellmuffin wrote:
Last week, one of my players died...

I'm sorry for your loss.


Since you will be in dark dungeons a lot, I'd go with owl. You don't want to travel in the desert by day, it's cooler at night, so owl wins there too.

Initiative bonus familiar lacks the utility of a flying scout. And if you fail your perception check, you won't be going first, regardless of your initiative.


Specialize in Conjuration: Teleportation. This gives a swift action multi-use dimension door supernatural ability that you can use to get out of grapples, escape from jail cells, or just get out of combat reach so you can cast your spell without interruption. As a supernatural ability, it does not provoke attacks of opportunity, and can be used while you are grappled.

For opposed schools, take Abjuration and Necromancy.

Since you will be exploring the wilderness a lot, a familiar that can fly would help you with scouting and seeing whats up ahead. A hawk would be good for scouting during the day. But, I'd probably take an owl to watch over me at night when camping/sleeping outdoors.


thegreenteagamer wrote:
Meh, put a potted plant in with 'em. That'll give 'em oxygen, for, like...a while...

When plants are not exposed to light, they convert their sugar reserves to energy, and when they do so they convert O2 into CO2.

So you would need some sort of continual light spell to supply the plants with light. Too bad Continual Light isn't a spell anymore.


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Auren "Rin" Cloudstrider wrote:
but for infants, just put them in a bag of holding and deliver them to the orphanage at the next town you find.
Bag of Holding wrote:
If living creatures are placed within the bag, they can survive for up to 10 minutes, after which time they suffocate.


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The babies don't have an alignment yet, and if you allow them to be raised by humans, half of them will become evil. Unfortunately, you don't know which half will turn out to be evil.

The solution is to have the babies raised by wolves (or some other mammal animal other than humans, like bears, foxes, etc.) Then all the babies will grow up to be feral and have a neutral alignment, similar to wild animals. This way none of babies will become evil, and you didn't have to kill any of them.


Interesting thread. It makes me want to play a character whom attempts something like this.

The attitude improvement from diplomacy only lasts 1d4 hours, unless the GM rules otherwise, so Hypnotism is certainly an improvement.

It would work as a permanent 'love potion' as well. If your character is interested in things other than ruling the world.


People don't always play the way you want them to. Maybe it is about expectations on how the game should be played, or maybe it is about not wanting to be railroaded into doing something they don't want to do.

I'd suggest in character negotiations, such as, "If you help us in the tunnels, we will help you follow those tracks in the graveyard."

Not every player is a combat murder-hobo. Some players have characters that are either grossly sub-optimal, or spend the whole fight self buffing and moving into safe positions. Some players read a book or play on their phone, unless someone tells them to roll some dice. It sounds like it wasn't a TPK, so I don't see the problem with her being sub-optimal. If the GM is one to balance encounters, then they should take into account that her character is not an over-optimized DPS machine.

Considering she was hiding behind an illusionary wall, yet still got attacked by summoned monsters, you can't blame her for being paranoid.

Do you like spending time with this person? If so, work things out. If you just plain don't like her for some reason, than stop hanging out with her.


Long ago he was bitten by an Apocalypse Zombie and while he didn't die from the zombie bite, he carried the zombie plague. Now, having met his death, he rises as an Apocalypse Zombie himself. Due to his paladin abilities, he is mostly able to maintain control over his urges to eat brains.


Make the sorcerers cross blooded orc and draconic (fire) so they get +2 damage per die of spell damage. Have all four of the 10th level sorcerers cast fireball for 10d6+20 damage times 4, for about 220 to 110 total damage. That should kill off all the 9th level PCs in a 20' radius. GM wins again!


If there is no re-training, get your character killed ASAP. Then re-roll a character that doesn't suck.


Magus have high DPR and good defense with spells like Mirror Image. With a pocket full of Pearls of Power, they can Intensified Shocking Grasp all day long. Zen archers are also pretty good at DPR and have good saves and CMD. Paladins smiting evil are very potent too. All 3 of these have good will saves.

A rogue or fighter is just going to suck in comparison, especially when a monster casts dominate, confusion, or some other save or suck spell requiring a Will save.

Let the players who now realize their characters are grossly inferior have the option of rebuilding their characters, or possibly playing new characters with equal wealth and experience.


Maybe your players would rather RPG My Little Ponies and talk about how pretty their characters are, rather than face a very minor challenge. They sound like a bunch of whinny care bears. Feel free to quote me on that.

I don't think you are going to be able to make these players happy. Let someone else GM, and roll up your own elite character.


Make a character with a high strength, and then offer to help carry the other character's gold coins to lighten their load. Fail to mention your character's addiction to gambling, drugs, and courtesans.


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Maybe the cohort falls in love and wants to take his money and settle down. Retire from the adventuring life. (The player should be allowed to retrain their leadership feat to something else.)

I wouldn't kill off his character or cohort, just because the other players are jealous.

If your group has a lot of players, you may want to restrict things like cohorts, animal companions, eidolons, and summoned monsters, as they take time from the other players.


The Nimble Moves feat lets you 5 foot step in difficult terrain.

Otherwise archery works well.


One roll on a roulette table. Just make sure they have the cash on hand to pay if you win.

Alternatively, roll up an 18th level accountant and invest your money wisely so you can get a good return off of it.


A doppelganger conspiracy where important people are being replaced one by one.

Alternatively, important people are tricked into wearing 'brain slugs', so they fall under the collective mind. The brain slugs are hidden by hats or helmets, of course.

Gelatinous cubes find their way out of the dungeon and are eating everything in the local forest. Soil, trees, shrubs, fuzzy bunnies, all fall victim to their hunger. Given their new nearly unlimited food source, the gelatinous cubes are exponentially multiplying and growing out of control. Soon they will consume all organic matter, ending life as we know it. Alternatively, have just one gelatinous cube, but have it large enough to swallow an entire village, and it is still growing.


I do standard point buy, but the lowest a stat can go (before racial modifiers) is 8.


I'm a fan of the treasure types tables in the AD&D Monster Manual.


Hmm, I've gamed with someone for 10+ years who occasionally cheats on his rolls. I guess I never felt the need to kick him from the group. I wouldn't kick someone to the curb, if their only flaw is an occasional episode of cheating. As a GM, it is fairly easy to compensate to negate a single person's cheating.

Specify strict procedures for rolling dice. Like, the dice must be clearly readable, and all rolls must be witnessed by another. Make a dice rolling pen for the center of the table, and rolls only count if they are done in the pen. Define procedures for 'cocked' dice, and so on.


Have someone with a high animal handling skill tie a badger to each of your feet and hands.


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The population density of New York City is 26000 people per square mile, but this is using high rise apartments. If you figure apartment buildings are about 30 stories tall in NYC and you want your fantasy city to be about two stories tall, then change your population by a factor of (2/30) to be about 1700 people per square mile.

So a city with a population of 17000 would encompass about 10 square miles, or have a diameter of about 3.5 miles.

A "wealthy" city would have a lower population density, while a "poor" city would pack the people in. Higher population densities mean more disease, crime, and unrest.


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If the caster is flying and has 6 mirror images, is Step Up going to be helpful?

If your goal is to defeat a caster as a martial character, I think you are better served by playing an archer. You can full attack the flying caster without needing to move, Step Up, or fly. The best way to stop a caster from casting a spell is to take away all of their hit points.


Well, if a particular fight is going really well for the players and the monsters don't stand a chance, you can just say that the players win, without tediously rolling it out.

Locations can add to the excitement, along with environmental factors. Say the bad guys ambush the group at a tavern, but before they rush in to attack, they light the building on fire. There would be panicking villagers and smoke and fire to contend with, in addition to the fight at hand.

A narrow bridge over a deep chasm is always fun. Have the big bad guy say 'None shall pass'.


Get a club (free), some rope(1 gp), and a Badger (15gp). Using Animal Handling, tie the badger to the end of the club. Now you have a truly vicious and intimidating weapon.


For Aasimar, Ifrit, Sylph, Gnolls, and Elves, the favored class option for Oracles is "Add +1/2 to the oracle's level for the purpose of determining the effects of one revelation."

Apply this to the Oracle's revelation that grants an animal companion, and the animal companion's level can be 50% higher than the oracle's level.


Thomas Long 175 wrote:
That is literally the worst idea in this thread.

Well, that may be. It is difficult to determine all the dynamics of the situation given the limited information, and to formulate the best solution that will work for these individuals. Ultimately, the original poster will decide what to do. This was just a suggestion, and sometimes I do make ludicrously bad suggestions, but then they can still be helpful because it causes one to think about what makes a good or bad solution.

And yes, Obscuring Mist for the win, but not everyone will think of that, be able to cast it, and win initiative.


Why do you need specific stats for this uber NPC? Just say the NPC has godlike power, and you are done.


To be fair, you did show them a big bag of candy, and then tell them they couldn't have any.

Let them create ludicrously optimized races with lots of points. Play it for a while and see how it goes. Set campaign on easy mode and let them stomp everything.

When you grow bored with this, design a powerful encounter that will kill all the characters, like 48 level 1 wizards all casting a single magic missile (that's 168 damage per round) as a CR 10 encounter. Have them all spread out in a large area, so melee guys can only kill one per round.

Then have a generous druid come by and cast reincarnate on each of them. Have them roll randomly for a mundane race that they come back as.


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They could be scrying one of your associates, rather than you. They could scrying your ship, rather than you. Possibly you have a magical 'tracking locator' in your possession.

One of your associates could actually be the mystery character, or they are feeding the mystery character information.

The mystery character could be a figment of your imagination or the result of a cursed magic item.

It could be the avatar of a god that is making sure you uphold your obligations.


Instead of confiscating weapons and such, the city guard ask the adventurers to leave a 'damage deposit' with the authorities. It will be refunded when the group leaves town and have not gotten into trouble.

If the city suspects the adventurers of possible wrongdoing, a city guard of the same gender will be assigned to each adventurer. They will watch their assigned suspect the entire time they are in the city. Of course, the adventurers will have to pay a 'nominal fee' for this 'service'. If the adventurers evade their watchers, they will be considered to be criminals.


In the short term, 'no', I don't think a new edition is needed. But, I would like for Paizo to be looking to the future and keeping notes on things that would make for a better and more balanced game. I'd say, when Pathfinder reaches the 10 year mark, would be a good time for a Pathfinder 2E. I think 'Unchained' is a good measure to bridge the gap.

I'd suspect that P2E would share enough similarities with P1E so adventure paths and such, would not be obsolete, similar to how 3.0 and 3.5 adventures can be used in Pathfinder now.


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I would like if this product would be applicable to Pulp adventures or Call of Cthulhu type adventures.


Having a 'face' in the group isn't really a requirement for RotRL as far as I have seen (your experience may vary). It wouldn't hurt to have a 'face', but the adventure won't grind to a halt if someone fails a diplomacy check.

Wands of Cure Light Wounds or Infernal Healing can be used by the Witch, who does have some divine casting ability.

I'd recommend playing whatever class you feel like playing, without feeling the need to fill a particular 'role'.


Buy a donkey to carry your gear, or get a henchman to carry your things.


The way I house rule continual flame in a darkness effect is to dim the light from the continual flame so the bearer can see 5' around them, similar to being in Obscuring Mist. This makes the continual flame useful, but still allows the darkness spell to have an effect.


Why do you need electrical energy, when you can just use magic for whatever it is that you want to do?


Vanish is useful, even at level 1.

True Strike for +20 to combat maneuvers.


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Say a player makes a barbarian with rage and power attack and he carries a big two handed hammer. For that character his tool set consists of a big hammer. And to that character, every problem is going to look like a nail that needs to be pounded with his hammer.

I think you can use Pathfinder for what you want to do, but you are going to have to communicate your vision with your players so they can make versatile characters with more than one tool in their toolbox.

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