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I also hate people who interrupt me assuming they knew what I was going to say and then when I ask them something related to the end of the sentence they cut me off at, they're like 'what are you talking about?'.

I have a family member who LITERALLY interrupts 90% of everthing the other person is saying. She's even mocked me when I say 'could you please let me finish?'/'Please stop interrupting me' saying 'he's just like his father'. No, I'm just like EVERYONE who hates being interrupted!

If she put a dollar in a swear jar for everytime she's interrupted someone, someone could start a novelty swear jar company for that market.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Videos, movies, etc without subtitles.

Why do you hurt me in this way.

If there are no subtitles, I have to make the volume louder, and replay seconds of the video over and over to attempt to understand what was being said. subtitles eliminate my having to do this.

This, a thousand times this!

There are WAY too many actors who can't enunciate, that and also the amateur who's behind the movie's sound effects or music who drowns out the words.


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Drejk wrote:
Or at least give us some other kind of road rage examples unrelated to bicycle/car road war?

Well I hit a pothole yesterday and was particularly miffed....


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Not wanting to get killed is also why bicyclists sometimes take the center of the lane despite being slower.

Drivers are not trained to see moving objects on the side of the road. They are trained to see moving objects in the middle of the road. So when you move into the center of the lane where a car would be, you become visible, and thus safer.

I find cyclists taking the middle of the road to be really annoying but I'd rather that than the side of a road. When I drive past a cyclist who's on the side of the road I'm very careful to try and make sure there's a good distance between us and I drive slow because I start worrying like crazy (cause usually they're on the passenger side and I worry about getting the distance between us wrong).


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One thing I find really stupid in real life (but yeah, yeah, it's unavoidable) are the short working times on phones. I don't have a smartphone SPECIFICALLY because batteries only last a single day (well that and touchscreens, I HATE touchscreens).

I also hate microsoft's innovators: 'We'll come up with this beautiful new system! It'll look special and will work in it's own way different from all predecessors! It'll be different at first, but the people will grow to love it!' and then we got windows 8.

I remember when the xbox came out, the device was like....you know those sci-fi movies where aliens/humans create this wondrous artifact but they have no true understanding of what it's capable of? It's power is so vast that it's a mystery even to its own builders? That's the xbox right there. The first xbox could do SO much but microsoft forbid it, people made dashboards and implemented programs to try and make full use of the device, but these were not allowed and you were banned if you were found using it (also, you could install a device in your xbox that would let you play all regions).

The kinect? Now THERE'S a powerful piece of hardware. People modified it like mad to make use of it in the strangest ways (not always in relation to gaming), microsoft's response? 'You are not allowed to modify the kinect, so stop'. Later when they realized it was HELPING to sell the damn thing they encouraged it (FINALLY!). Microsoft seems to have this idea that they can come up with a vision and everyone will be forced to appreciate it in its own form.

Sony made their PS4 with the intention of giving the gamer what the GAMER wants, the Xbone is designed to give the gamer Microsoft's vision.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:


Not enough to destroy a whole planet, but enough to shatter the crust and mantle, destroy all life and make it unlivable.

But since that's now EU and part of Legends, I wanted a Canon ship named after the late Grand Moff.

Wow, I know the empire is supposed to be evil but they don't even pretend to be good at any level, do they?

Including EU material, was the empire (emperor) ever xenophobic enough to use it to wipe out races they didn't like? Or was this technology only ever used as an ultimatum?


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@Fabius, that sounds intriguing, could you give us a name please? I've been eager to find some lovecraftian movies.


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Pan wrote:
As a kid Evil Dead 2 scared the crap out of me until bobby-joe and the crew showed up :)

Heheh, I also watched evil dead 2 as a kid and it terrified me like a horror movie SHOULD terrify you. It was evil dead 2 that made me crave horror movies.

Also, who's bobby-joe?

@MMCJawa, I actually watched prince of darkness and yeah, it was good too (I think the thing was probably carpenter's weakest movie to be honest). It's movies like in the mouth of madness and prince of darkness that makes me love horror movies: The ideas are different, formulas might be similar but the ideas that run behind the creatures and such are so....well, different. With so many horror movies it feels like a different experience every time, with many ACTION movies I feel like it's all so same-y.

I also like different and unique creatures or WAYS in which the creatures work (in the mouth of madness especially combined so many different crazy things).


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I really think Kylo's sword saber looks silly....Darth Maul's lightsaber could be USED as a staff saber, how is Kylo going to use the hilt? Even stylistically it just looks out of place. Plus if he's not a dark side user of the force, why is his lightsaber red?


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Was the emperor REALLY a xenophobe or was it just cheaper to outfit folks as humans rather than come up with alien costumes?


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Into the mouth of madness, perhaps the best lovecraftian movie I have ever seen. I never liked John Carpenter's the thing because I felt it was a wasted opportunity (the monster was amazing, but the movie wasn't scary, it was almost like it was DESIGNED not to be scary) and for a long time I thought all his movies would be like that but THIS movie was truly amazing, perhaps his best work.

The pyramid, I think it was THIS movie that made me realize I have a thing for claustrophobic horror movies. Takes place inside a recently unearthed 'pyramid' (I put the quotation marks there because apparently it's not like how pyramids are USUALLY built).

The whisperer in darkness, an ACTUAL lovecraftian movie. Not scary but very well done. A scientist who studies folklore (and doesn't believe in them) is offered proof that something odd is happening in a remote town/village and he goes to investigate (and indeed, he DOES discover something).


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Aranna wrote:
Nohwear wrote:
I would argue that the main way to shake them up would be to create one that is a LOT less bleak.
Like Twilight?

If Twilight is the future of vampire movies I would argue that that's pretty bleak.


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Krensky wrote:
Plus, like I said, Tarkin knows who Vader is. That would give him even more confidence since they've known and worked with each other for twenty, twenty-five years.

The way you say that literally has me imagining them both clocking in to work.


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Sissyl wrote:
Warm bodies?

Not sure if you're replying to Nohwear, but if it's to my post then I specifically mentioned the 'Some newer zombie movies have them with some degree of sentience but it's still just zombies' EXACTLY with that movie in mind, heheh. There's also (technically) I am legend (which I thought was actually pretty nice), the alternate ending was FAR superior to the one they ended up screening in cinemas. Oh, and I also forgot to mention pulse (Japanese version was called Kairo I think), AND the one missed call movie (I think that was the name), BOTH different takes on the undead genre (still ghost stories but they work far different than normal ghost stories).

@pan, the thing is, is that zombie movies are no longer scary, something like a wraith would add just the level of fear that zombie movies have been lacking. Killing a zombie is a piece of cake, and the worst that can happen is that someone gets bit and the viewer just goes (at best) 'daaaaaamn', but a wraith? Something that can go through walls AND deals some major physical damage? You can't fight that, you just run.

@Nohwear, those exist in the form of comedy horror zombie movies.


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All the zombies movies now (did I say all? I meant LITERALLY all) have zombies that eat flesh or brains, I mean what, you can't have a zombie movie that also has wraiths in it? Walking skeletons? Ghosts?

And don't give me the whole 'it's a virus, you can't animate a skeleton or make a ghost/wraith with a virus', we're talking about the living dead, this is pseudoscience territory. Pop something new on us for a change, even Romero experimented with land of the dead by having zombies begin to learn how to use tools (he even experimented with one movie where a zombie was somewhat restored its sentience).

Undead movies (as in if it features werewolves it doesn't fall under undead) are now:
1. Vampire only
2. Ghost only
3. Zombie only
4. All or two of the above

I remember I found the mummy to be entertaining because it was different (in the first movie he wasn't some mummified corpse walking around, he took on a human form and had some magic to him).

Some newer zombie movies have them with some degree of sentience but it's still just zombies. Even video games explore a wider range. If I'm correct L4D has several types, Jericho was all about the undeadie goodness and others such.

To my knowledge I can only think of two places where several variations were touched on:
1. Evil dead (and they weren't really undead, they were demonically possessed)
2. The TV show angel (and most of its foes were demons)
3. Lord of the rings with its nazgul (I think even in the hobbit elrond, gandalf and the other two fight off some different forms of undead creatures).

If you get rid of the whole 'zombie bit you, now you'll become one' mentality, inserting creatures like wraiths becomes easier (and yes, I want to see wraiths) because wading into combat with zombies becomes easier.


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thejeff wrote:
Hama wrote:
Pygon wrote:

Realistically, yes, the Empire could have beaten the Alliance by pure resources and numbers.

But the movies suggested that once Vader and the Emperor were down, the Empire couldn't function properly enough.

Maybe Force Awakens will give us a different picture.

Because it makes no sense. Emperor was just one figurehead in a vast, monolithic bureaucracy. His death would mean an immediate few weeks of disarray and then the Empire would go back to everyday. After all, grand moffs and moffs ruled most of the Empire in his name.

Except he wasn't really. He was the power that created it, changed it from the Republic to the Empire and kept it that way. Not just a figurehead.

Sure there was a bureaucracy, but to a large extent that was probably the old Republic bureaucracy. There really hadn't been an Empire long enough for it to get entrenched.

And sure, the various moffs & grand moffs ruled their sections in his name, but the first thing they'll do when he's gone is squabble over who's in charge. Some'll get deposed. Some will defect to the Rebels. Some just beaten by others.

The way I see it, the empire (as according to the movies) wasn't defined well enough that you couldn't argue both points (that they're either developed enough to put another leader in charge, or that they'd disintegrate to in-fighting). Taking two real world examples of each:

1. You've got Egypt, where even with Hosni out of office, the military are still capable of cohesion and putting one guy in charge without breaking apart due to in-fighting.

2. You've got North Korea where if anything happens to their current leader, the whole regime will just fall apart.

EDIT: I just want to say, naming those two countries is NOT to say anything about them politically, socially or anything else, I'm just pointing to two countries where the military is in charge.


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Hama wrote:
cmastah wrote:
This might subvert the whole SW universe but....haven't the empire and the rebel alliance EVER tried to get along? Like, ESPECIALLY after the emperor's death? The empire didn't spring out of nowhere, they were formed by other groups who MUST'VE envisioned a different future than a fourth reich.
When the Yuuzhan Vong attack, yeah. That's how Solo's daughter gets the hots for a Chiss tie pilot.

My younger brother loves star wars, he told me about the Yuuzhan Vong. At first (from the name) I assumed they were a criminal syndicate, then he told me they're a monstrous race from uncharted space (I think his words were dark space). They sounded AWESOME: A terrifying monstrous race whose weapons are living creatures, whose ships are also living creatures, leagues stronger than a normal person. They sound almost lovecraftian.


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This might subvert the whole SW universe but....haven't the empire and the rebel alliance EVER tried to get along? Like, ESPECIALLY after the emperor's death? The empire didn't spring out of nowhere, they were formed by other groups who MUST'VE envisioned a different future than a fourth reich.


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You know with Mark Hamill voicing the joker maybe we can hope for a Darth Joker in one of the upcoming sequels.

The sith never know how to crack a joke: Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, the emperor. I mean why so serious?

I'll tell you one thing though, Hamill and Ford are getting on in years, they HAVE to pass on the torch to a new jedi (I'm hoping no one here seriously thought Luke would be in all the sequels). We can expect a new hero who'll be taking Luke's place (and I think it's his son).


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GreyWolfLord wrote:


Yes, Revenge of the Sith.

** spoiler omitted **

(in regards to the omitted spoiler)

Maybe he hoped Vader and the emperor were too old to be much of a challenge? Also, Yoda may have just simply given up and pursued his own goal: a peaceful end to his life.

In that regard, he no longer cared about space politics and just retired. Really, the world of the original trilogy is hardly his world anymore (especially now that the jedi council has gotten a laser blaster retirement). Obi Wan WANTED to get involved, LUKE wanted to get involved, and so they did. Yoda on the other hand probably no longer cared and just wanted to retire. Just cause you have good scratched out on your alignment slot it doesn't mean you HAVE to get involved, and it doesn't mean it's a good enough plot hook to drag you in. It's one thing for an old man to be a master to a willing pupil, it's another to get dragged into a war where neither outcome is personal to you (Yoda essentially already lost due to the prequels. In the original trilogy if he helps the rebels win, sure, the good guys won, but it's still not Yoda's world anymore, not a world he recognizes anymore......plus as the new trilogy AND the books show, the death of emperor won't end the empire, Yoda would just get sucked into a war without end(or at least one in sight)).


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
What ... what happened to The Force Awakens Thread?

It belongs to the dark side now.


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I always felt that Jar Jar Binks was the prequel's C3PO and the gungans were its ewoks.


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Marc Radle wrote:
cmastah wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:


Darth Plagueis...didn't happen.

Darth Plagueis NEVER happened. I've heard about him recently and he ISN'T in the movies, so unless they canonized him later....he NEVER happened.

There's no evidence of his existence in ANY of the three prequel movies. If he's cut from the new movies, people who've never heard his name or even heard Sidious had a master will never know he existed. This is like saying Old Yeller actually had a happy ending because in reality someone switched out the dog with a DIFFERENT dog that had rabies. If the audience have no clue (LITERALLY no clue, as in they're not given any) then it never happened.

Darth Plagueis was absolutely mentioned ... in Revenge of The Sith

The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise

Of course, Palpatine could have made the story up in order to manipulate Anakin, but Darth Plagueis is definitely is mentioned

Ah, I'd forgotten that sequence entirely (even though ironically episode 3 was one of my favorites). So Sidious had the power to bring the dead back to life.....and he never brought anyone back (or at least that we know of).....of all the characters to wield that power, it had to be HIM? Even Vader would've made use of it.


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GreyWolfLord wrote:


Darth Plagueis...didn't happen.

Darth Plagueis NEVER happened. I've heard about him recently and he ISN'T in the movies, so unless they canonized him later....he NEVER happened.

There's no evidence of his existence in ANY of the three prequel movies. If he's cut from the new movies, people who've never heard his name or even heard Sidious had a master will never know he existed. This is like saying Old Yeller actually had a happy ending because in reality someone switched out the dog with a DIFFERENT dog that had rabies. If the audience have no clue (LITERALLY no clue, as in they're not given any) then it never happened.


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Kthulhu wrote:
The only Star Wars character more overrated than Yoda is Boba Fett, who gets ridiculous amounts of fanwanking despite the fact that his most glorious achievement is falling into a giant sand vagina.

Yeah, I gotta say I never did get the whole fan craze over this guy. I heard about the fan love over him YEARS after I watched the movie, then I watched it again to see why and.....yeah, I still don't get it. Even his armor doesn't look as aesthetically pleasing as a stormtrooper's, and remember that Rodian that Han shot? Regardless of who HE is, at least he got the achievement of getting fans to bicker like mad over who shot first.


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Vic Wertz wrote:
Kthulhu wrote:
Yet the Emperor kicked his ass so badly that Yoda fled to the far side of the galaxy and hid in a swamp for the next couple of decades before dying of old age.
Not sure why you're downplaying that—dying of old age is a pretty remarkable accomplishment for a Jedi. Much better than being chucked off a ledge.

An undeserving fate for the coolest jedi ever. We'll miss you forever Mace Windu (or were you talking about the emperor?).


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I actually tried looking it up just now but.....so I know what a tie fighter is, right (it's essentially what darth vader was driving along with the storm troopers to fight the x-wings)?

What's a tie wing? I found what I THINK is a tie wing, but it looks identical in size to the tie fighter (almost) so I can't understand why Yoda can pull one but not the other out of orbit.


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Lord Snow wrote:
Hama wrote:
JW and TG were pretty decent, fun movies.
Even if you enjoyed them, they pale in context of the franchises they continue. Jurassic Park is a better story if Jurassic World never happens.

Not to get off-topic, just to mention this little tidbit:

Does JW REALLY pale in comparison to the previous movies? I'd say it's exactly the same:

1. Dinosaur park.
2. Dinosaurs get loose and start killing people.
3. Male and female who don't start out getting along + kids
4. Ensue much running and screaming from dinosaurs and stuntwork.
5.. Male and female who didn't get along now get along....and they've got kids, their own or someone else's.
6. They escape from the island having learned that nature is a beautiful but deadly force that should not be messed with.
7. And then they mess with it in the sequel.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Well to be fair, with Control 14D and Alter 10D Yoda could pull a TIE fighter from orbit if he wanted to. Or, using all three, and if he did not mind gaining a Dark Side point, mentally take command of the Captain on a bridge of Star Destroyer with a good chance his crew would not be aware of the take over.

That's....actually remarkably powerful. I saw this stuff in the force unleashed video game but I'd never thought Yoda or any of the movies' force users were ACTUALLY that capable.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:

As of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker had

Lightsaber 8D +1
Starfighter Piloting X Wing 9D+2
Starfighter Gunnery 7D +1

Force Skills

Control 10D
Sense 8D
Alter 7D

In comparison Yoda at the time of The Empire Strikes Back

Force Skills

Control 14D+
Sense 13D+
Alter 10D+

No taint from the Dark Side

I would assume Luke at the time of The Force Awakens may be in some ways nearing that level but not anywhere near surpassing Yoda's capabilities.

The video games REALLY inflated his capabilities, along with Darth Vader's.


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Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun wrote:

For those who have not seen the Star Wars panel two cool spoilers.

Domhnall Gleeson will play The First Order's General Hux.

The Imperial base will be called "Starkiller" base, a nod to Luke Skywalker's original name.

That's actually very interesting (about the starkiller name). In the video game star wars force unleashed, darth vader calls his apprentice 'starkiller'.

EDIT:

Krensky wrote:

I'd have to dig out my books, but he wasn't that silly. I think the oldest version WEG (Jedi Academy time frame if I remember right) put out had a highest skill of something like 13 or 14 dice.

1000d6 is really more Fuzion Dragon Ball Z territory.

If Luke was around 13 or 14 dice, then 1000d6 would probably be goku when he was still a baby. If you get to the story arc featuring fusion, then the number of dice would be over 9000.


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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
QuidEst wrote:

Catchy theme songs we haven't covered:

Sherlock
Pokemon
Star vs. the Forces of Evil
Spectacular Spider-Man
Kim Possible
That was a DAMN good show, and the theme was super catchy. I'm still pissed they cancelled it.

There were several good spiderman shows, all cancelled. The most recent one (I think it's the most recent one, unless a new one's cropped up) is actually pretty bad....


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@Arturius Fisher, Honestly I may have been a little harsh on specifically kung fu panda (I did certainly like it and I remember I was surprised with how good the sequel was (the villain wasn't as cool as the guy from the first, but he had some more depth, and the story was also decent)). The prison breakout scene from the first was just amazing.

I also noticed the musical numbers in the last unicorn and yeah, I'm no fan of music in my movies UNLESS it's a musical (and even then, I'm picky).

And yeah, pop culture references or even references to current events can just take one out of the spirit of a movie.

At first I remember I was a bit apprehensive of studio ghibli's art style because I didn't 'get it', but I certainly enjoyed howl's moving castle. I didn't like spirited away but that was my first encounter with them and the shock of the different style may have influenced my opinion. One of their movies that I was curious to see (at least I think it's theirs) is called grave of the fireflies, it sounds like the time period it's based on is interesting.

Oh and I just remembered: Ernest and Celestine, a french animated movie that was just brilliant. I never watched the English dub but the french dub was truly amazing and the art style added a lot. The story was heart warming, funny, and the two characters were quite endearing. The story was actually quite fascinating. I'm not sure if this movie deserves an entry on this thread as Ghibli and Disney are both primarily intended for a US audience (and I think even Ghibli is a US company, despite having Japanese animators), or at least I think Ghibli was intended for US audiences, I'm not really sure on that front. Now HERE'S a good modern animated movie.


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@Greywolflord, I'd read somewhere that before Disney decided to just stick with CGI, they released one final movie to test the successfulness of the old method. That movie would be the one with the three cows who try to catch some bandit for a bounty so their owner doesn't have to sell her farm. If it's true, it's almost like they were setting themselves up to fail on that acocunt.


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Grey Lensman wrote:
cmastah wrote:
Krensky wrote:

Yes, yes...

Everything made after your childhood ended is bad.

You realize old farts have been saying that for as long as we have recorded rants by them, right?

I don't think EVERYTHING new is bad....I thought studio ghibli's 'wolf children ame and yuki' was good....then I realized it's not studio ghibli and I was like 'so THAT'S why it was good'.
The funny thing is that from what I know all the Disney dubs of Studio Ghibli have the endorsement of Miyazaki himself. I think I'll defer to his opinion...

I know the point of this thread is animation + voice acting, but I dislike the ghibli stuff on account of the stories themselves, the voice acting didn't bug me in them (though I also disliked the characters so......). The only ghibli movie I liked was Howl's moving castle and even then I can't say why.

Lazarx wrote:

Quite frankly, I think the DC Animated series has some very good voice acting talent, including of course Mark Hamill's infamous Joker. (There's a great Comic-Con moment where Hamill does a bit the Joker telling Skywalker the classic "Luke, I am your Father" line, doing both characters amazingly well still.

The DC animation series in my opinion has both good actings and better story writing than the Marvel themed movies from both studios.

I....agree.....Actually the DC animated movies are some of the only animated movies I've enjoyed in the past couple of years. The voice acting is extremely fitting and the animation is great. My primary beef is with fairy tale-ish stories being lacking and even when they're around they've got ugly graphics (the princesses in frozen looked dorky...but then they also acted like they looked so...), and their voice actors don't inspire a sense of fantasy. While I enjoy a lot of anime, there's something to be said of some of the DC cartoons that are around that you can't get the same feel of in anime (sometimes it's just grittier I guess).

@QuidEst, I do admit Big hero 6 did surprise me with some of the themes they explored and it wasn't bad. Songs aren't much of an issue for me because....well I don't really fret too much about musical scores. I'll try giving secret of kells a shot though.

Also, I can't believe I'd entirely forgotten about the old hobbit cartoon (or the lord of the rings animation, I'll try to get my hands on those as well)....and yeah, I hated Percy Jackson's gollum.


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Krensky wrote:

Yes, yes...

Everything made after your childhood ended is bad.

You realize old farts have been saying that for as long as we have recorded rants by them, right?

I don't think EVERYTHING new is bad....I thought studio ghibli's 'wolf children ame and yuki' was good....then I realized it's not studio ghibli and I was like 'so THAT'S why it was good'.


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Draw or Sheathe a Weapon

Drawing a weapon so that you can use it in combat, or putting it away so that you have a free hand, requires a move action. This action also applies to weapon-like objects carried in easy reach, such as wands. If your weapon or weapon-like object is stored in a pack or otherwise out of easy reach, treat this action as retrieving a stored item.

If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular move. If you have the Two-Weapon Fighting feat, you can draw two light or one-handed weapons in the time it would normally take you to draw one.
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Can you draw a wand as part of a move with a bab of +1 or higher?

Yes: the paragraphs are related and are talking about the same thing: weapons or weapon like objects

No: the second paragraph specifies weapon, not weapon or weapon like object.

I'm not sure if this issue was resolved or if this point was brought up but I just wanted to say that the quick draw feat in 3e even had an accompanying picture of a dwarf quick drawing a wand if that helps.


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I don't know how far this thread might have deviated from the new superman vs batman movie but....

I was just thinking.....I can see it now:

Superman hops down from that perch above and walks close to batman and then....starts hopping from foot to foot squeeing going 'oh my God oh my God oh my God it's batman, eeeeeeee, can I have your autograph?' pulls out smartphone and gets next to batman 'selfie!'

Batman: Ok never mind, my mistake, I'm going home.


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I was reading an interview with Patrick Rothfuss when he mentioned that one of his favorite novels was the last unicorn. Growing up, I WATCHED the animated movie and never knew it was based on a book. I'm reading the book now and it's awesome, and it encouraged me to look up the last unicorn movie again (in case you're interested, I'll be discussing secret of nimh, flight of dragons, last unicorn and possibly even the nutcracker prince cartoons).

I haven't gone back to watching it because I've forgotten many segments (except for the Mommy Fortuna section, I'm never forgetting that one, or the ending with the red bull and Haggard) and I want to finish reading the novel first before watching it again.

One of the first things I noticed (just quickly skipping through it) is how beautiful the artwork is. Disney had always had a certain style they refused to deviate from and could never match the beauty of the last unicorn movie or the secret of NIMH movie, nor did their movies usually have storylines that were half as good (I also hope the sentence is clear enough that you understand that yes, I know last unicorn isn't a disney movie). The unicorn in both its unicorn form and human one are just beautiful, Haggard looks absolutely malicious and Mommy Fortuna and the harpy both vie for most terrifying, and Rukh also looks like a real thug. Even though I didn't want to rewatch the movie until I'd finished the book, I HAD to see the section with the skeleton going 'Haggard, Haggard! Unicorn! UNICORN!, and it's just as awesome when I first watched it as a kid. I can't remember the last time I saw artwork in an animated movie that was as beautiful as the last unicorn. There's none of that annoying singing, no annoying comedy character, and romance isn't one of the most important plot points (hell, romance BARELY figures in towards the last half of the movie).

Now voice acting....this one's gonna be a REAL breakdown:

The unicorn had the softest and most beautiful voice I'd heard since Ms. Brisby (whom I'll come back to later). Even though I haven't watched the movie in years, I'd never forgotten that voice. It's a crime that Mia Farrow isn't voicing more characters in animated movies. Those two annoying childish witches from frozen have HORRIBLE voices, it's so blase I wouldn't remember them the next day. The female characters in how to train your dragon, ice age, kung fu panda (why am I picking on female characters? Because I'm comparing them to a female character in the last unicorn, I'll get to the male characters in a bit), madagascar and oh my God why are each of these movies like 50% comedy?! Their voices are horrible, but then again so are the characters themselves. Mia Farrow's voice brought LIFE to the fairy tale. Then you've got Ms. Brisby voiced by Elizabeth Hartman, it lacked the beauty of Mia Farrow's voice, but it had the power of a loving mother's touch. Either one of these voice actresses would put the entire VA cast of those movies to shame.

Now, on the male side of it:

The red wizard (ohm? or was that the blue wizard?) from flight of dragons was just an absolute beast, you can't get that kind of evil in voice acting again. It was inhuman, it was ancient, it was commanding. Oh God...I just remembered....the knight from flight of dragons, 'Blade with whom I have lived, blade with whom I now die, serve right and justice one last time, seek one last heart of evil, still one last life of pain, cut well old friend, and then farewell ', I couldn't remember this quote exactly but I always considered this guy to be THE image of a paladin (even though he wouldn't technically be of the paladin class). His voice resonated with the nobility you'd expect of a knight, and even when he was being jovial he still sounded regal. Even the green wizard sounded like an old wise man. Today though we have the clown from how to train your dragon, the mammoth from ice age (or the sabertooth, pick your poison), that annoying panda and oh my God why are these all designed to be humorous?! The ONLY villain I thought was well designed in every way, in EVERY way, was the kung fu panda villain in the first movie (and they had to mess that up with how he was defeated.....skidoosh pretty much describes the sound that movie made flushing itself down the toilet). When Haggard (last unicorn) grabs the unicorn in human form and demands 'why can't I see myself/my reflection in your eyes'.....that voice was just commanding. Schmendrick's voice could reveal a buffoon (though in a way that you would be dismissive of him having any capability, not in a self deprecating way) or it could reveal someone who was wiser than he let on, you never th0ought this guy was a clown. (Secret of NIMH, I know I'm switching through animated cartoons like I'm having a seizure but bear with me) The owl in that movie.....his presentation alone was powerful, then you had his voice, this deep, booming voice. The contenders to all these people? Let's see, on our roster we have the male characters from ice age, male characters from frozen (all of them in a bundle), the buffoons in how to train your dragon and cloudy with a chance of meatforbrains....this is sad....just sad. Gone are such voice actors as the guys who voiced the villainous rat and Nicodemus in secret of nimh, gone are the noble hero's voices like the mouse from secret of nimh and the guy who voiced robin hood in the old anthropomorphized cartoon (that's ONE movie in disney's favor), and gone too are voices like the terrified rabbit recounting the bleeding he imagines coming from the nearby forest (watership down, ANOTHER movie in Disney's favor....and admittedly extremely disturbing). Instead, what movies do we have to look forward to? Incredibles 2, frozen 2 and I don't...even...want...to know, I'm depressed enough.

Then there's the stories: I won't go into depth on this but suffice it to say that movies like secret of nimh, the last unicorn and flight of dragons respected their audience enough not to treat them like children even though they WERE children. The stories had their share of darkness and scary villains, and there were times they showed us the villain die like in flight of dragons and secret of nimh.

One of the primary points I wanted to rant about was the disappearance of beautiful voice actresses like Mia Farrow (MIA indeed) and Elizabeth Hartman, but thought there's still a bit more I want to rant about so what the heck.


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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
That's cool though, misguided PR propaganda is cool too.

It's not propaganda, it's profiting off the current trendy phobia (every age has a phobia fad, if you cash in early you get the big bucks....hence mazes and monsters and the many schools it influenced).

You know what I find really annoying? Walking down the street and there's a guy who has to walk right in the middle who won't just go right, or at least left or...if you would just please pick one...just left, go left, right, whatever if you'll just...wonderful and now there's people walking in the opposite direction past those sides and I have to keep creeping behind him and NO DON'T TAKE OUT YOUR DAMN PHONE WILL YOU PICK A F*%*ING SIDE AND NO DON'T STOP DON'T STOP MOTHERF&^%ER MOVE!


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I don't blame the guy who wrote the book.

Dungeons and dragons is a far out game.


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Minimum speed limit: It's not dangerous to drive slow, just annoying.


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The vampire could always have a human from Minkai if he's in the mood for Chinese.

If he wants something spicy there's always Cheliax.

If he can find Black Adder he can always do the Rowan Atkinson diet.


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Rynjin wrote:


if Good and Evil are objective forces...why is anyone evil? You're objectively wrong. You cannot delude yourself into thinking you're doing the right thing. Which means all villains above level 5 have to be freakin' Snidely Whiplash because a 1st level spell can tell them "Yep, you're Evil.".

You can be evil without thinking of it as right or wrong. If you think of good vs evil as red vs blue (as in you don't 'get' the concept of morality), then good luck explaining how the guy is objectively wrong. He may argue that killing the weak is survival of the fittest and that is right (it falls under evil, but he doesn't view evil as morally wrong, just camp blue essentially).

Heck, if you actually renamed good to red and evil to blue (but still kept a list of good actions vs evil actions), you'll have a list of people who think red is good and just and should be renamed to good and others who'll think blue is exactly what they've been looking for (red can call it evil or they can call it whipped cream, camp blue doesn't care). Camp blue doesn't agree with this made up word you came up called morality.

But yes, then you have people who want to do evil for evil's sake.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:


A ______ of trolls.

A Forum of trolls

A dungeons of dragon disciples

A _______ of Bodak


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

A sorority of rokurokubi

A __________ of Attic Whisperers.

A roar of Attic whisperers

A.......... of liches


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A hat of Flumphs

Gnolls (not sure if anyone used this one already)


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I was asking because I primarily had something like a goblin in mind who had been shown the abyss and was doing his best to avoid it by following a good deity even if he doesn't really 'get it'. He gets encountered, detection spells are used against him and he shows up as evil, yet he never does anything evil. He's quiet, avoids eye contact, helps out whenever he can and spends parts of his nights on prayers, very aloof. He doesn't 'get' what he's doing, but he knows that others avoid the abyss in this manner. He hasn't technically done any evil yet, there's an NPC who's been trying to forcibly convert creature's alignments by showing them visions of the evil planes rather than use something like a helm of opposite alignment.

It was at this point that I was wondering whether he would still detect as evil, and if he was to die where would his soul go?

(also I'm in agreement that unless you're a demon/devil/daemon worshipper in one of these settings, evil doesn't reward evil. Heck, even if the inhabitants don't torture you (but they will), the land itself is a nightmare)


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I was curious, now in Golarion and several fantasy realms the inhabitants know the gods exist but there are still evil folk (there are even those that hope to die and become demons to their chosen patron like drow in forgotten realms), right? So what if you took your average bandit (the guy who kills the people he robs and such) and you showed him a vision of the abyss, or even TOOK him there temporarily, and then he changes his ways. He doesn't do so out of a desire to help people or do good, it's because he was traumatized by what he saw and still has nightmares about it, so he even does good things because he's eager to please a patron to keep him out of the abyss.

Does his alignment still show him as evil? Where does he go after death in THIS case?

In this scenario I'm envisioning, the character harbors no love for the people he helps and (if he didn't know what awaited him) would gripe and moan about doing all these 'annoying' things like help people.

I ask because I was trying to imagine if it was possible to change the smarter of the irredeemably evil races (minus demon and devil worshippers) by frightening them out of their evil. After seeing the abyss, even if you want to be evil, supposing your orc mate just took an arrow through the heart and you very nearly joined him, you'd know where you would have very nearly ended up and I would imagine it would drive some changes.

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