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John Woodford wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Standards were different back when Secret of NIMH was made. I expect a major factor here, for instance, is the animator pay rate—the founding of Dreamworks meant a tremendous difference in wages for them (basically, up to an actually reasonable level).
Well, that too. Though I'm not sure how much of the modern budgets are also due to the studio habit of getting names to voice the leads. You figure Robin Williams didn't come cheap for the Aladdin movies, e.g.

Of all the roles you had to mention, what's the funny coincidence you would use Robin William's genie? :-P

He voiced that one for either a reduced pay or for free (I read something about that on wikipedia, it was on the condition that he doesn't get top billing in it. I think he was trying to do it as like charity work or something).


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Orthos wrote:

40k was exactly the one I was thinking when I said grim-and-gritty-grimdark, yeah.

Grim settings like that tend to make humans low men on the totem pole explicitly for the point of making the setting feel grimmer and crueler. It's just that the majority of other settings tend to make us the best thing ever, and there seems to be very, very little that puts us somewhere in the middle - neither really awesome nor really underdoggish, just sort of normal and average and on-par with other species.

The reason for this, I think, (and you probably already know this, I'm just putting it out there) is that when humans are the underdogs then there's urgency to the protagonist because he's fighting from an inherent position of weakness. When humans are the immoral guys at the top, then you know the protagonist has this powerful force he has to win against and it makes him the underdog in the fight (and everyone always roots for the underdog), or that strength is instead rendered moot by a force that can disregard it (like say if a few necron hive worlds were to wake up). Middle ground sort of removes that agency (am I using that word right?), makes it so that the human aspect is irrelevant and unimportant.

Besides, humans were HARDLY middle ground in mass effect. In the first game they were in a low position trying to work themselves to middle ground and have someone in the council, Shep becoming a spectre (the first human to do so) was a big deal. On a second playthrough I begrudgingly allowed the council to live (and my how grateful they showed themselves to be in ME2) but don't remember if a human made it into the council (though I distinctly remember that IF ONE DID, he was particularly useless).

The star wars prequels could PROBABLY be considered middle ground for humans.


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Peter Stewart wrote:

Am I the only one getting a creepy almost white supremacy crossover here? Like almost all his arguments fit into a racial dialogue with a few noun changes?

Those Asari breeding with our people! It isn't natural and they are up to no good. Asari should stick with their own kind!

He can no longer sit back and allow Asari infiltration, Asari indoctrination, Asari subversion and the interstellar Asari conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!

I will be using this too.

Thanks guys!

I just realized what game you meant (thought you meant video game), link me the bits you're talking about please :-D (even if it's not flattering)

But just keep in mind my specism against Asari is nuanced (it is!)! I do accept that the average Asari is a good person like anyone else, it's their leaders who are driving this agenda that's the problem (Nuance!) :-D


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Hama wrote:
Also, where did you get the data that humans are the most numerous race in the galaxy?

I think it was either in the novel that was released prior to the game or the military guy that Shep works for told him something along those lines, that humanity's greatest strength is their numbers (and that Turians' was military, Salarians' was science and Asari's was political power).

@Orthos, Sci-fi is a whole other universe (pun intended), humans are NOT dominant in Starcraft OR W40K.


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Hama wrote:

Still. It is stated in the game itself. At least once per game that Asari do not take any DNA from their partners.

Mass Effect Wiki wrote:

The offspring resulting from such interspecies pairings are always asari as no DNA is taken from the partner. Instead, the asari uses the meld to explore her partner's genetic heritage and pass desirable traits on to any offspring and as a "map" to randomize the genes of the offspring. Additionally, pairings with krogan are not affected by the Genophage. As such, pairings with asari are sometimes seen as a way for a krogan to circumvent the Genophage and have children of their own.

The drawback to the asari means of reproduction are the Ardat-Yakshi. These individuals possess a rare genetic defect that causes an asari’s mind to overwhelm and destroy her partner’s mind when joining. The condition seems to appear only amongst pureblood asari, those whose parents are both asari.

This neatly answers both your conundrums.

And that is the reason that Asari hate purebloods.

The 'desirable trait' part is a SLIGHT worry, but true, both conundrums are dealt with, especially given that Asari live long lives but don't overpopulate, whereas other races would continue to grow much faster.

Humans having the advantage of being the most numerous race in the galaxy (every other race also bring something to the table, but in the numbers game humans are the winners) and are poised to take control, especially if you chose to get the council out of the way and set up a human leader. Mankind is in for some good times :-)


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I WAS curious to get the game but then discovered that it's supposed to play like left 4 dead and then lost interest. I thought at first that it was a third person game with action elements and was primarily (if not only) single player.

I AM still curious about whether it's fun or not but still not sure if it's worth getting.


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Peter Stewart wrote:

Am I the only one getting a creepy almost white supremacy crossover here? Like almost all his arguments fit into a racial dialogue with a few noun changes?

Those Asari breeding with our people! It isn't natural and they are up to no good. Asari should stick with their own kind!

I was wondering whether or not I would have to specifically say I wasn't talking about anything human related and since you brought it up I'll go ahead and clarify: nope, there's no white supremacy crossover here (would be a bit odd for ME to be a WHITE supremacist). This is also like when I argue the oddness of atheism in a fantasy setting like Golarion (and yes, there are books that claim there are atheists) where the existence of the deities isn't a mystery and then HAVE to tell my buddy I'm not making analogies to the real world. Let's keep this discussion civil please and within mass effect's fictional setting.

@Freehold DM, You've roused my curiosity, which game?

@Hama, I know Asari look down on purebloods and that's why I'm saying it's unnatural for a society to do so, ANY society.

I don't know about the whole rearranging thing, because the Krogan-Asari looked noteably different and I got the vibe that she was probably also stronger than your average Asari. As for their lifespan and birth rate, those I do admit come as a surprise.


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Ardat Yakshi are rare, whoever heard of looking down on purebloods? Even humans can give birth to a kid with genetic defects, yet no one would suggest tabooing human birth because of those rare conditions.

Turians may have coexisted with Asari for thousands of years (though I doubt the realism of them still being around), but at the very least if mating with your own kind is seen as ugly a taboo as inbreeding then those thousands of years have seen the birth of Turian-Asari, Salarian-Asari and Krogan-Asari (and probably every other race). If things turned dark peacefully, you'd find everyone being asked to vote as equals and Asari outnumbering the other races, if things turned dark DARKLY then they logically outnumber everyone else AND have the best of all intergalactic species.

The 'merely good genetic stock' isn't helping either, because the mate in question won't necessarily pursue a relationship that leads to kids whereas Asari birthing culture is RARELY purebreeding. If the mate DOES seek to have kids, we're breaking even on numbers generated here (Asari kids born vs human kids born), if they DON'T, the Asari still got kids.

Also? Nepotism WITHIN YOUR OWN RACE leads to members of your own people gaining power (whether they deserve it or not), Nepotism when your kid is half-Asari puts an Asari in charge.

The numbers don't look good.

Oh, and I chose to let the reaper have at it with the council in the first game, guess what alignment they painted that patriotic decision with. Call it renegade, but humanity was in charge in the second game and I'm not looking back.


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Wow, those costs are nightmarish. I actually thought of anime when I was thinking of lower costs, isn't that also hand drawn?

Plus, secret of NIMH is a very good example for why it should cost less (and I don't care how good Dragon's lair will be (and I'm sure it will be), it'll never be Secret of NIMH good, heh).


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Here's why I found the Asari race to be a secretly forbidding species:

Asari only give birth to Asari right? And that's ever, right? So while same gender relationships between humans don't result in humans, same gender relationships between Asari do, AND.....this has got to be the most evil social engineering experiment I've ever seen:

They (the leaders of their society) convinced Asari that purebreeding is something bad, that they should breed with other races. What does this result in? Less of the other races and more of the Asari. Here's where it continues to get twisted:

While same gender relationships between humans don't result in more humans, women (the only gender able to give birth) can have same gender relationships (let's be honest, Asari are an all female race) with Asari and while the human woman wouldn't get pregnant, the Asari would.

How does this continue to get more twisted? The average Asari (the majority of the population here) aren't doing this out of maliciousness, they're doing it because their leaders have socially engineered their culture to this place. You CAN'T do something about this without being the bad guy. However, WHILE BEING THE GOOD GUY, your species is going extinct. Several thousand years down the line, while you're saying 'Those awful specists are thankfully a thing of the past', you've become a member of the last generation of humankind and the Salarians have failed to create ANOTHER genome project because Salarian-Asari are intelligent enough to stop this from happening (and guess what, the only Salarians who will be called the good guys will be the ones who wisely sided with the Asari).

So yeah, Asari? A disaster waiting to happen.


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The kickstarter is only for the demo video to show to sponsors or something, he actually plans to raise $70,000,000. Why does he need 70 million to make this movie?! Who's he hiring, the Queen?


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feytharn wrote:
Nine Miles Down is based on that urban legend, although the movie takes place in the Sahara desert.

Thanks, this was it most definitely.

@Goddity, Heheh, they've always had some really logical thinking on that comic.

@Bellona, I came across that accidentally while looking for the movie and it's both cool and a sad loss of resources.

@archmagi1, I've been meaning to watch that movie but it's not the one I had in mind, but thanks for the reminder.


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There was a hoax a while back about a Russian drilling thing in Siberia where they heard sounds from hell, and the movie I'm looking for was about that. I only remember the most minor of moments from the trailer, can someone please tell me the name of it?

From the trailer I got the impression there weren't so much monsters as there were ghosts and people either hearing or seeing them. I really couldn't tell you much more.


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So I'm looking for this book I read in (High? Middle?) school and it takes place in what I'm assuming is India (MIGHT have been Africa, my memory is shady on this) during colonialism. The fragments I remember are we're reading from the viewpoint of an Indian woman in her village and that she's married, her son (or one of them, don't remember all her kids) goes to work in a British factory, she gets a kid that later dies in infancy of starvation (they ALL start feeling the touch of starvation), they also have a farm methinks but it has issues several times, her son gets killed because.....I don't remember but I think he was trying to steal something and was shot, two British folk from the factory come to share the info (one of them being callous about it (trying to defend the factory from liability) and the other being shocked for it and telling him/hinting not to be cruel on such a thing), and at the end of the book the family just decides to leave (it may have continued a little after that but I don't remember much more). I remember when the infant died the mother said she hadn't even shed tears because she knew it would happen. I think the author was also Indian but I'm not sure, looking up Indian novels shows me a WHOLE bunch of other stuff than this.


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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Set wrote:


So bored with lightsabers.

Lightsaber is no match for a good blaster at your side. ;)

Actually you're thinking of a flamethrower (deflect THIS, princess!).


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Sissyl wrote:

A blotch of witchlights.

A __________ of Crossroads guardians.

An intersection of Crossroads guardians

A ___________ of Cthulhu


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That story sounds......like I sincerely hope I never need surgery.


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feytharn wrote:


The reliance on planet destroing superweapons would make the W40K universe a lot less suitable as a setting for a miniature wargame, wouldn't it?

Not necessarily, it could be W40K's DM's way of saying 'rocks fall and you die'.....provided W40K plays with a DM.....never actually played it so.....


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Werthead wrote:
The Bantam STAR WARS novels (starting with the Thrawn Trilogy and ending just before the New Jedi Orders) got a bad rep for being overly reliant on superweapons: the Sun Crusher, Centrepoint Station, Super Duper Star Destroyers, the Darksabre, the old Prototype Death Star etc.

It's kind of odd that world destroyers take center stage in star wars when in a world like warhammer 40k there are also world destroyers AND the galaxy is a FAR worse place (far more justified in their use, like against tyranids, necrons, chaos marines, orks, etc etc) and yet they don't take center stage in such a universe (in fact, from what I've been reading they've often been used against worlds that have been partially invaded yet still consist of a lot of civilians and marines, so its use is a major sacrifice, in many other attacks and invasions they've hardly been touched).


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Please put spoiler tags on that, I wasn't expecting that from the movie, that's probably a major plot point.


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Um...I haven't read drizzt since the thousand orcs novel (which I know is far back in his storyline and I didn't even finish reading it to be honest), what do they mean by succumbing to his darker temptations? Is he gonna get even more angsty?

He's hardly likely to rejoin menzoberranzen (sp?) and even 'darker temptations' at worst probably just means he'll be killing drow alongside the demons so.....I don't see the darker temptations here.


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I think I remember reading a joke reply from the engineer that went over so many other issues as well:

1. Why are the death star's numerous pilots so inept they can't keep the rebel's fighters away.
2. The very guys who destroyed the death star were IN the death star, the department who inherited this problem failed their job which LED to this catastrophe.

It was a lengthy post and I can't remember the rest.

It does raise the question though of why there wasn't something IN the exhaust port to take the hit. A grating would've stopped the effectiveness of the attack immediately, walkways that crisscrossed through the levels (sure, folks will get vaporized, but folks on walkway vs whole death star is still a small number).


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Freehold DM wrote:
pedos don't notice a blessed thing. It's what the horn is for.

Pedestrians also take clear notice when you call them Pedos.


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TaliaKirana wrote:

There's always the Ponyfinder campaign setting. If you're not set on Golarion, anyway. Griffons of Everglow expands the campaign setting further. There's also a series of small racial books available that are about to be compiled into Tribes of Everglow.

The entire premise of the setting is to play sapient magical ponies, griffons, winged cats, and more. The default humanoid races exist, but they are not the main focus.

(This setting existing is the major reason I got into Pathfinder.)

Do ponies comes with the delicious trait? I never tried pony before.

They look like their meat might be chewy.


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But what on earth were the english doing that they had to tell the difference between boy and girl foxes?

Breeding for fox hunts?


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Just out of curiosity (and because the name of the thread has the words *53,000+ new messages*), what does fawtl stand for? And what's this thread (at least originally) supposed to be about?


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The Laughing Man wrote:
They are actually kinda cute cats to be fair.

Those are cats? I thought they were a kind of rat.


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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
cmastah wrote:
That entry for the Ghoran says something about delicious race trait but I can't find any info on what that's supposed to mean and I'm dying to know (as in stats wise what does it mean as well).

Delicious (–1 RP): Ghorans take a –2 penalty on Escape Artist and combat maneuver checks made to escape a grapple against any creature that has a bite attack with the grab ability.

...because they're delicious.

I've seen people start threads about how disturbing/uncomfortable rape or magic aided rape is in their games, but I'm kind of curious how the ghoran character would feel waking up from a sleep spell to find his party member friends eating him alive.


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Step 1: Stick helm of opposite alignment on them and turn them good.

Step 2: Smash their brains in with a very big hammer so people stop asking the same question over and over again.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

I don't think watching tv in your rv in a campground even qualifies as camping tbh. it's lounging in a house on wheels.

I'm not really saying "you're not camping until you've slept naked on nothing but the ground and ate the raw flesh of a rabbit you hunted yourself with your bare hands!" but the point of camping seems to be to get away from the trappings of civilization and surround yourself with wilderness, not take the trappings of civilization with you and block the wilderness off.

But the wilderness comes in such dismal 480p, plus gameplay sucks and you only get the one life, don't even get me started on framerate.

Yep, personally I enjoy fishing but I hate fish. I like CATCHING the fish, but not eating it. Kind of like how vegetarians enjoy blowing an animal's brains out, but won't eat it.


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That entry for the Ghoran says something about delicious race trait but I can't find any info on what that's supposed to mean and I'm dying to know (as in stats wise what does it mean as well).


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DM Beckett wrote:
?
TL;DR, insurance companies are penny-pinching trolls.
That's not entirely accurate. Trolls normally only have loot appropriate to their CR, and they die after you shut down their regeneration.

Troll insurance companies are the worst. Because THEY can regrow teeth and limbs they won't insure yours!

Admittedly you get great rates opting into their fire and acid schemes, but short of your acidic blob pet getting angry with you I can't see when it'll be......aaaaand blobby's angry with me.


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I'm not sure about a specific race with a nonhumanoid physiology (because that would negate critical hits) unless you're talking about pathfinder's version of the warforged. If you were to take sorceror and take the aberrant bloodline you could GROW a tentacle and your physiology WILL change, but I'm guessing you already have a class in mind and just want the race.


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I also hate people who interrupt me assuming they knew what I was going to say and then when I ask them something related to the end of the sentence they cut me off at, they're like 'what are you talking about?'.

I have a family member who LITERALLY interrupts 90% of everthing the other person is saying. She's even mocked me when I say 'could you please let me finish?'/'Please stop interrupting me' saying 'he's just like his father'. No, I'm just like EVERYONE who hates being interrupted!

If she put a dollar in a swear jar for everytime she's interrupted someone, someone could start a novelty swear jar company for that market.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Videos, movies, etc without subtitles.

Why do you hurt me in this way.

If there are no subtitles, I have to make the volume louder, and replay seconds of the video over and over to attempt to understand what was being said. subtitles eliminate my having to do this.

This, a thousand times this!

There are WAY too many actors who can't enunciate, that and also the amateur who's behind the movie's sound effects or music who drowns out the words.


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Drejk wrote:
Or at least give us some other kind of road rage examples unrelated to bicycle/car road war?

Well I hit a pothole yesterday and was particularly miffed....


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Not wanting to get killed is also why bicyclists sometimes take the center of the lane despite being slower.

Drivers are not trained to see moving objects on the side of the road. They are trained to see moving objects in the middle of the road. So when you move into the center of the lane where a car would be, you become visible, and thus safer.

I find cyclists taking the middle of the road to be really annoying but I'd rather that than the side of a road. When I drive past a cyclist who's on the side of the road I'm very careful to try and make sure there's a good distance between us and I drive slow because I start worrying like crazy (cause usually they're on the passenger side and I worry about getting the distance between us wrong).


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One thing I find really stupid in real life (but yeah, yeah, it's unavoidable) are the short working times on phones. I don't have a smartphone SPECIFICALLY because batteries only last a single day (well that and touchscreens, I HATE touchscreens).

I also hate microsoft's innovators: 'We'll come up with this beautiful new system! It'll look special and will work in it's own way different from all predecessors! It'll be different at first, but the people will grow to love it!' and then we got windows 8.

I remember when the xbox came out, the device was like....you know those sci-fi movies where aliens/humans create this wondrous artifact but they have no true understanding of what it's capable of? It's power is so vast that it's a mystery even to its own builders? That's the xbox right there. The first xbox could do SO much but microsoft forbid it, people made dashboards and implemented programs to try and make full use of the device, but these were not allowed and you were banned if you were found using it (also, you could install a device in your xbox that would let you play all regions).

The kinect? Now THERE'S a powerful piece of hardware. People modified it like mad to make use of it in the strangest ways (not always in relation to gaming), microsoft's response? 'You are not allowed to modify the kinect, so stop'. Later when they realized it was HELPING to sell the damn thing they encouraged it (FINALLY!). Microsoft seems to have this idea that they can come up with a vision and everyone will be forced to appreciate it in its own form.

Sony made their PS4 with the intention of giving the gamer what the GAMER wants, the Xbone is designed to give the gamer Microsoft's vision.


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Not enough to destroy a whole planet, but enough to shatter the crust and mantle, destroy all life and make it unlivable.

But since that's now EU and part of Legends, I wanted a Canon ship named after the late Grand Moff.

Wow, I know the empire is supposed to be evil but they don't even pretend to be good at any level, do they?

Including EU material, was the empire (emperor) ever xenophobic enough to use it to wipe out races they didn't like? Or was this technology only ever used as an ultimatum?


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@Fabius, that sounds intriguing, could you give us a name please? I've been eager to find some lovecraftian movies.


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Pan wrote:
As a kid Evil Dead 2 scared the crap out of me until bobby-joe and the crew showed up :)

Heheh, I also watched evil dead 2 as a kid and it terrified me like a horror movie SHOULD terrify you. It was evil dead 2 that made me crave horror movies.

Also, who's bobby-joe?

@MMCJawa, I actually watched prince of darkness and yeah, it was good too (I think the thing was probably carpenter's weakest movie to be honest). It's movies like in the mouth of madness and prince of darkness that makes me love horror movies: The ideas are different, formulas might be similar but the ideas that run behind the creatures and such are so....well, different. With so many horror movies it feels like a different experience every time, with many ACTION movies I feel like it's all so same-y.

I also like different and unique creatures or WAYS in which the creatures work (in the mouth of madness especially combined so many different crazy things).


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I really think Kylo's sword saber looks silly....Darth Maul's lightsaber could be USED as a staff saber, how is Kylo going to use the hilt? Even stylistically it just looks out of place. Plus if he's not a dark side user of the force, why is his lightsaber red?


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Was the emperor REALLY a xenophobe or was it just cheaper to outfit folks as humans rather than come up with alien costumes?


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Into the mouth of madness, perhaps the best lovecraftian movie I have ever seen. I never liked John Carpenter's the thing because I felt it was a wasted opportunity (the monster was amazing, but the movie wasn't scary, it was almost like it was DESIGNED not to be scary) and for a long time I thought all his movies would be like that but THIS movie was truly amazing, perhaps his best work.

The pyramid, I think it was THIS movie that made me realize I have a thing for claustrophobic horror movies. Takes place inside a recently unearthed 'pyramid' (I put the quotation marks there because apparently it's not like how pyramids are USUALLY built).

The whisperer in darkness, an ACTUAL lovecraftian movie. Not scary but very well done. A scientist who studies folklore (and doesn't believe in them) is offered proof that something odd is happening in a remote town/village and he goes to investigate (and indeed, he DOES discover something).


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Aranna wrote:
Nohwear wrote:
I would argue that the main way to shake them up would be to create one that is a LOT less bleak.
Like Twilight?

If Twilight is the future of vampire movies I would argue that that's pretty bleak.


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Krensky wrote:
Plus, like I said, Tarkin knows who Vader is. That would give him even more confidence since they've known and worked with each other for twenty, twenty-five years.

The way you say that literally has me imagining them both clocking in to work.


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Sissyl wrote:
Warm bodies?

Not sure if you're replying to Nohwear, but if it's to my post then I specifically mentioned the 'Some newer zombie movies have them with some degree of sentience but it's still just zombies' EXACTLY with that movie in mind, heheh. There's also (technically) I am legend (which I thought was actually pretty nice), the alternate ending was FAR superior to the one they ended up screening in cinemas. Oh, and I also forgot to mention pulse (Japanese version was called Kairo I think), AND the one missed call movie (I think that was the name), BOTH different takes on the undead genre (still ghost stories but they work far different than normal ghost stories).

@pan, the thing is, is that zombie movies are no longer scary, something like a wraith would add just the level of fear that zombie movies have been lacking. Killing a zombie is a piece of cake, and the worst that can happen is that someone gets bit and the viewer just goes (at best) 'daaaaaamn', but a wraith? Something that can go through walls AND deals some major physical damage? You can't fight that, you just run.

@Nohwear, those exist in the form of comedy horror zombie movies.


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All the zombies movies now (did I say all? I meant LITERALLY all) have zombies that eat flesh or brains, I mean what, you can't have a zombie movie that also has wraiths in it? Walking skeletons? Ghosts?

And don't give me the whole 'it's a virus, you can't animate a skeleton or make a ghost/wraith with a virus', we're talking about the living dead, this is pseudoscience territory. Pop something new on us for a change, even Romero experimented with land of the dead by having zombies begin to learn how to use tools (he even experimented with one movie where a zombie was somewhat restored its sentience).

Undead movies (as in if it features werewolves it doesn't fall under undead) are now:
1. Vampire only
2. Ghost only
3. Zombie only
4. All or two of the above

I remember I found the mummy to be entertaining because it was different (in the first movie he wasn't some mummified corpse walking around, he took on a human form and had some magic to him).

Some newer zombie movies have them with some degree of sentience but it's still just zombies. Even video games explore a wider range. If I'm correct L4D has several types, Jericho was all about the undeadie goodness and others such.

To my knowledge I can only think of two places where several variations were touched on:
1. Evil dead (and they weren't really undead, they were demonically possessed)
2. The TV show angel (and most of its foes were demons)
3. Lord of the rings with its nazgul (I think even in the hobbit elrond, gandalf and the other two fight off some different forms of undead creatures).

If you get rid of the whole 'zombie bit you, now you'll become one' mentality, inserting creatures like wraiths becomes easier (and yes, I want to see wraiths) because wading into combat with zombies becomes easier.


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thejeff wrote:
Hama wrote:
Pygon wrote:

Realistically, yes, the Empire could have beaten the Alliance by pure resources and numbers.

But the movies suggested that once Vader and the Emperor were down, the Empire couldn't function properly enough.

Maybe Force Awakens will give us a different picture.

Because it makes no sense. Emperor was just one figurehead in a vast, monolithic bureaucracy. His death would mean an immediate few weeks of disarray and then the Empire would go back to everyday. After all, grand moffs and moffs ruled most of the Empire in his name.

Except he wasn't really. He was the power that created it, changed it from the Republic to the Empire and kept it that way. Not just a figurehead.

Sure there was a bureaucracy, but to a large extent that was probably the old Republic bureaucracy. There really hadn't been an Empire long enough for it to get entrenched.

And sure, the various moffs & grand moffs ruled their sections in his name, but the first thing they'll do when he's gone is squabble over who's in charge. Some'll get deposed. Some will defect to the Rebels. Some just beaten by others.

The way I see it, the empire (as according to the movies) wasn't defined well enough that you couldn't argue both points (that they're either developed enough to put another leader in charge, or that they'd disintegrate to in-fighting). Taking two real world examples of each:

1. You've got Egypt, where even with Hosni out of office, the military are still capable of cohesion and putting one guy in charge without breaking apart due to in-fighting.

2. You've got North Korea where if anything happens to their current leader, the whole regime will just fall apart.

EDIT: I just want to say, naming those two countries is NOT to say anything about them politically, socially or anything else, I'm just pointing to two countries where the military is in charge.


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Hama wrote:
cmastah wrote:
This might subvert the whole SW universe but....haven't the empire and the rebel alliance EVER tried to get along? Like, ESPECIALLY after the emperor's death? The empire didn't spring out of nowhere, they were formed by other groups who MUST'VE envisioned a different future than a fourth reich.
When the Yuuzhan Vong attack, yeah. That's how Solo's daughter gets the hots for a Chiss tie pilot.

My younger brother loves star wars, he told me about the Yuuzhan Vong. At first (from the name) I assumed they were a criminal syndicate, then he told me they're a monstrous race from uncharted space (I think his words were dark space). They sounded AWESOME: A terrifying monstrous race whose weapons are living creatures, whose ships are also living creatures, leagues stronger than a normal person. They sound almost lovecraftian.

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