PFS? feel free to min max all you want, I wouldn't trust anything they have to be challenging enough to require the superior route of a more balanced array of stats. Generally speaking an 18 via racial boosting is probably the most economical choice, but even some people don't mind starting at 16 including racial bonus.
Um, I'd say oracles and gunslingers are overpowered because I dislike most of the oracles and gunslingers characters I have seen and they look like they are made by the kind of people who would make op characters.
Fuu re seriously? you think a class is overpowered because people who make according to you OP characters use them? The Orc avatar really suits you. maybe you should come up with a better reason than BAWWW charops in muh gaems.
No, this is an oracle, they will never want for spells to the point where they need scrolls in order for them to be effective.
Thats not exactly true, Master summoner is one of the most overpowered classes in the whole game. I wont bother explaining it because it wouldn't go anywhere like I mentioned last page, but I will point out you seem to be reading someone elses post as my own.
Thomas Long 175 wrote:
Circumstance bonuses always stack when they are from differing sources, the shield bonus will not however.
that leaves you with about 2-3 spells extra to choose, but I wont go any deeper than that, anyone who thinks you can laugh off -3 to spell DC probably uses paizos CR.
I'm not sure what you are asking, anon. Are you asking if class features are Ex, Sp or Su? Class features, unless otherwise specified, are Ex. The ability to learn spells, have spells known, use a spellbook, etc. are Ex abilities. They require no magic to do and aren't lost inside an Anti-Magic Field. You may not be able to utilize these features to their fullest extent, but they don't go away. You don't forget/lose all your spells or the ability to cast them when hit with an AMF. Your spells don't work in an AMF, but you still have them.
That is a meaningless distinction, AMF do not make you forget or loose any SP/SU dependent resources.
The Artaxerxes wrote:
Hey, this is my first thread, so please forgive any mistakes I make. I'm new to the forums and Pathfinder in general, so please bear with me. I want to make a synthesist character, but the GM wants me to make an offensive, blaster-ish caster. I need to be able to convince him that I can be an offensive caster AND the melee monster I will be. What spells, feats, and evolutions should I take. Lastly, I would be a level six half elf. My eidolon is going to be a biped, so don't tell me to change that. Thanks in advance!
Instead be a samsaran and get blasty spells from other classes.
I cant speak for the othersbut dirge of doom is great for the casters, lowering saves by 2 with no save is a pretty potent ability.
Full Casters other than witch
6.) Farm Boys
A completely unoptimized: Monk, Fighter, Ranger, Rogue, Barbarian
Optimization: Building the most competant build you can manage around your existing character concept.
I'm actually reworking my Divine Hunter Paladin to take the place of my Melee fighter, so I won't be making this Oracle into a melee beast. I now have a Breastplate and a buckler, along with a morninstar + spear. 18 AC now. Also yeah, That PDF is outdated. I didn't take Misfortune yet for that one. It should be Temporal Celerity and Misfortune, Not all three. I had a light crossbow already. But with shooting into melee at level 1. Hitting isn't very easy.
it doesn't really help that your Dex is garbage. Some general advice i can give then though since you wont be doing much attacking ranged or melee, is to focus on either buffing, and taking the spells that make you a god send in any fight, or go a caster esque route and pick up the spells that put on the hurt, you can build it like any full caster really. Either way, when you select spells, just try and make sure its a spell you can spam, bless is nice at low levels, worth getting even, but what you really want to be on the look out for are spells like shield of faith, cure or inflict spells, things that you can use over and over again, in and out of combat. if you don't spect for a bit of attack rolling, it's going to be the only way to shine as an oracle, as most of her mysteries are defensive and mobility, with potent but narrow offense as a secondary.
Hey guys, before anyone jumps to conclusions I'm not directly calling Oracles worthless, merely a question. I've recently started an Oracle with the Time Mystery ( Dual-Cursed ) and I may just be having an issue with caster. I was in a game this morning and I felt absolutely worthless, outside of my Misfortune from being Dual-Cursed. I sat back and did nothing. Does anyone else have issues playing an Oracle? Is it because I'm a caster time oracle? Would I be better off switching to battle? Share your own oracle experiences here.
AHAHAHA let me help you my friend. I myself have your exact same class type, and yes in the early game, it is hard, you don't get a lot of your best abilities yet. I've played my oracle for about a year now, and in terms of wreaking the best out of her, youre going to need to consider a couple of things. 1, do you want to focus on casting, or 2, do you want to focus on beating people up. this is a hard choice at times, because a lot of the oracles time flavored abilities really only get amazing in the late game, even though its a decent mystery. if you really want effectiveness in combat the elven oracle favored class can spike up the touch attack that does automatic strength damage. on the other hand, if you want actual attack potential, you really wont have it unless you either multiclass a bit, or pick up transformation by some means. either way, pick up the trait arcane heritage and slap it on time stop, then take the extend metamagic feat. its a long way to go isn't it, but when you get there.
oh and at level one you should not have 3 mysteries even with extra revelation.
Anyone who thinks the new classes are better than a wizard druid or cleric are tripping hard. Oracle is about the only one that stands out as "wizard" tier powerful. but hey, whats the point of arguing about a topic like this when there are a lot of people out there who think the monk isn't just fine, but even powerful or overpowered. Paizo does not generally understand game balance at all, the thing that keeps me coming back to it is they at least understand synergy, and how to make sure most classes have it.
And well, ashiel, ashiel really doesn't know what he's talking about in terms of potency. sure, its much much better than a fighter, duh, but it is in no way as powerful as a full caster. For starters, the cheaper spells you've been ranting about? that lowers the DC by 3 of any saves, and most of them indeed have saves. many of the highest level spells a summoner gets are pretty bad actually. you have some good ones but overall a good chunk of them will be circumstantial. in terms of control effect spells, they only get the earliest ones, and by the time they have them the wizard and sorcs will be rocking force walls and fabricate, two very amazing spells, they can also get ahold of things like transformation and wish while summoners get to pick the scraps of the worst 6th level spell list I've seen. summon monsters are rather easy to dispatch with banishment type spells, and summoner conduit for directly damaging the caster. Wizards get metamagic bonus feats, crafting feats, and many class features that are very very potent, because they apply to a great veriety of situations. Summoners are a potent class for sure, but only if you compare them to the classes that need boosting up to be at wizard level of power, do they become "overpowered" seems more like full casters dont want anyone encroching on their territory as the awesomest.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you want the feat Create Reliquary Arms and Shields, which allows you to turn a weapon or shield into a symbol of your deity, meaning it can be used to channel or bolster consecrate/desecrate.
This says nothing about channel foci, but it's a pretty good item regardless. I wish i had the feats to spare to take this, as my channel dice are my strongest method of attack. No one shares my deity either.
Zal Namtarren wrote:
On the contrary, some of the abilities specifically granted by favored class are definitely worth spending a feat over.
What about an Aasimar with the Scion of Humanity alternate racial trait and the Racial Heritage feat?
The ruling of my DM according to RAW is that this doesn't work for the opposite direction. and as for taking RH with scion of humanity, that works.
I really need a RAW based solution for this.
No, you would qualify for racial traits, but it would be irrelevant, because races almost NEVER have the same thing as eachother, so its impossible to take a trait that replaces something you have.
Agreed, a race could also easily gain access to the other racial traits available via this feat, where there any that actually replaced each other. Basically for all intents and purpose, you are what it says you are.
The only question I have, is can I take RH; Assimar since ARG came out with an alt race trait that changes their type.
Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
Except I'm not wrong. this is starting to sound like a religious debate. Provide some material evidence that invalidates what I've shown for RAW, and explain how ignoring RAI makes me wrong when I never made ANY statements about what the RAI is.
Actually, they are proficient, they get IUS as a bonus feat. are you trying to be intentionally thick here?
It requires an effect that gives damage as a moral bonus. Galorian has a set number of hitpoints, although I'd have to ask my DM where its listed.
The dead condition says the characters soul leaves it's body. It's a condition, it has its proper effects by RAW, taking some sort of meaningful action as a soul is not exactly an easy task for most players.
No it doesn't it CLEARLY says that familiars have HD for the purposes of effects related to the number of HD, by RAW, they would get feats. its not hard to understand, its written in plain English. I'm not 'twisting' anything.
Paizo is the one who made it holy. Raw and their own judgments are enforced for play-tests and that means I do need to hold it to the standard that I am.
effects are not defined anywhere as far as I can see, So there isn't a distinction.Considering it qualifies you for feats and traits, it's pretty obvious it's meant to include prerequisites, and the list is deliberately non-exhaustive, invalidating your statement's end entirely.
Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
No they don't get feats. Stop being so literal and see the RAI.
No, I'm in several games already where the RAW is all that matters, and the DM contacts paizo and must double check things, pretty consistently. and RAI does not always come out to be what you think is reasonable. which is why a party of first level bards is capable of destroying Galorian. They ruled that moment of greatness stacks with itself (since it doubles a bonus rather than increases it) they may make similar judgments in the future, although i don't believe feats for familiars are quite on that level. I never argued it was RAI because I don't know Paizo's view, but your entire statement, since I never argued against such, is a giant appeal to emotion. If you want to disprove the RAW, someones going to have to put something new on the table, not just throw a tantrum.
Rules of the Game wrote:
This certainly makes a very good argument for RAI, however, that doesn't mean it's the case, since it's omitted from paizo's rules. regardless RAW is the only thing I care about here, but it's nice to see some substance behind your words for once.
This seems to be correct, Familiars, like other class features, don't usually progress if you deviate from the class. It's a rather ass backwards way of doing things, they aught to just write in Wizard level, much like the druid and cleric features in other classes are used to refer to abilities other classes get in terms of their scaling. On the bright side, this means anyone with 2 feats to burn can just get a familiar that will scale with all levels, since EH gives you a sorcerer level that equals your character level for the purposes of its bloodline abilities.
I'm through being patient with youI did show you it in the book. It was included in my first post.
Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice
Effects RELATED to the number of hit dice, the number of feats you gain is related to the number of hit dice, its an effect of being a creature with HD. This shouldn't be that hard for anyone to understand, just because you don't think it's balanced, or RaI, doesn't mean that's not what's written.
yes there is, unless you're actually going to make the argument that by RAW, every single undefined term has no meaning. Paizo would have to write a whole new language just to make anything not a nebulous mess according to your logic. Effects are defined in the dictionary, and until Paizo erratas effects to have some specific in game meaning, you'd have to assume that they meant to use the word they put there.R.
So basically the answer is there isn't one then.As far as I can tell the main thing that makes me think RAI is likely no, is simply because there are a lack of feats that you can give familiars that are specially designed for them to take. However, Considering previous rulings, I would not put it past paizo to stick with their guns, regardless, Effects should become a defined term.
Because by RAW, an effect of numbers of HD is more feats, and as long as effect remains without a rules definition, it's default definition is that of a dictionary, and that would mean that all things related to HD with the exception of HP, since it's specifically stated as an exception, apply.
Hero lab is not affiliated with Paizo as far as I know, and likely shouldn't be taken as a source against something.
They count as having HD for the purposes of interacting with certain abilities. They don't actually have the HD, so they don't get the feats. Quatar's last post was an example of how their virtual HD affect interaction with other abilities.
well where does it say what an effect is? feats certainly have effects, and in actuality, gaining feats is certainly an effect of having higher HD according to the actual description of it in paizos own site. unless of course Effect is specifically designed somewhere obscure that I cant find.
Feat: A feat is an ability a creature has mastered. Feats often allow creatures to circumvent rules or restrictions. Creatures receive a number of feats based off their Hit Dice, but some classes and other abilities grant bonus feats.
Not seeing how they don't get feats.