RP: Poor Lini - she got captured and thrown into a damp cell. Hoping to be rescued by Valeros, Ezren and Merisiel she spots a mouse in her prison cell.
Checking her pockets she notices a crumbled fortune cookie. Carefully feeding it to the mouse she attaches a ring of hers to the mouse and imprints the image of the tavern they stay into the small animals mind.
This is theory craft and a serious rules question - but I thought I start with a real possible situation.
This question got inspired by Ascalaphus and MathMuse in a different thread. How do we actually count actions for flat checks.
Now to the rules part that are important.
Primal Caster
Casting Animal Messenger - a 1 minute casting time
The spell has material, somatic and verbal components
The caster has her wrist bound by manacles (just standard) incurring a DC 5 flat check on manipulate actions
Now the question - how many manipulate actions does casting the Animal Messenger need?
This actually isn't that simple. I requote CRB
CRB Actions wrote:
There are four types of actions: single actions, activities, reactions, and free actions.
So counting 'actions' can be done in different ways - depending what qualifies as action according to RAW when doing a flat check against a manacle.
Sensible answers by RAW seem:
1 check - I treat all as 1 activity/action
10 checks - the activity is split across 10 rounds
20 checks - there are 10 somatic and 10 material actions done during the whole cast
30 checks - there are 30 actions total (3 actions/round times 10 rounds in a minute)
Chances of success are
1 check: 80% - 4 in 5 (16 in 20)
10 checks: 10.7% - approx 1 in 9
20 checks: 1.2% - approx 1 in 87
30 checks: 0.12% - approx 1 in 800
All numbers are rounded slightly. I included them as they show that depending on a ruling the result goes from a very good chance to an outside chance to near impossible.
2nd edition - Does the PFS access overule the need of being a dwarf for buying a clan pistol?
PFS Note The clan pistol’s ammunition costs 1 sp for 10 rounds. Gunslingers (and characters with the Gunslinger archetype) gain access to all uncommon weapons, ammunition, and related items from Chapter 4 of this book, with the exception of Beast Guns and any limited or restricted items, unless the item indicates otherwise. Characters with a Home Region of Alkenstar, Dongun Hold, or the Shackles have access to all black powder guns, ammunition and related accessories.
I'm told all it needs is setting the Home Region and any character can buy a Clan Pistol - which at least lore wise is pretty problematic.
I get feedback that you can't use Mobility or Vexing Tumble in combination with Tumble Through (I'm aware of severe limitations due to speed being halved - so that is not part of the question).
The argument goes: Neither Mobility nor Vexing Tumble is a stride. To me this seems only to focus on the first two words and ignores the last sentence of the action.
CRB p.240 wrote:
Tumble Through
You Stride up to your Speed. During this movement, you can try to move through the space of one enemy. Attempt an Acrobatics check against the enemy’s Reflex DC as soon as you try to enter its space. You can Tumble Through using Climb, Fly, Swim, or another action instead of Stride in the appropriate environment.
To me Mobility as well as Vexing tumble qualify to be
a) another action instead of stride
b) the appropriate environment (threatened squares)
Move
Source Core Rulebook pg. 240 2.0
You Stride up to your Speed. During this movement, you can try to move through the space of one enemy. Attempt an Acrobatics check against the enemy’s Reflex DC as soon as you try to enter its space. You can Tumble Through using Climb, Fly, Swim, or another action instead of Stride in the appropriate environment.
Success You move through the enemy’s space, treating the squares in its space as difficult terrain (every 5 feet costs 10 feet of movement). If you don’t have enough Speed to move all the way through its space, you get the same effect as a failure.
Failure Your movement ends, and you trigger reactions as if you had moved out of the square you started in.
dictionary wrote:
through
adverb
1.
expressing movement into one side and out of the other side of an opening, channel, or location.
This question is related to the issue with tumble through and using a tiny character. But it goes further and tries to get to the bottom of the issue.
There are two parts of this action. One is the stride - this can go any direction, can change direction, etc. as long as it is within the movement allowed to a PC.
Then there is the move through the space of one enemy part. What does through mean for this part?
1) Can you move 'through' a gargantuan creature with 15 feet movement by clipping an edge?
2) Can you move 'through' a creature that is in the corner of a room
3) Can you move 'through' a creature with 10 foot movement by moving into that square and back?
4) Can you move 'through' and stay inside that space (tiny creature - there is a separate thread for this question)
So more or less the question is:
Does through mean
a) you enter and exit at least a single square occupied by an enemy (back and forth allowed)
b) you enter a square occupied by an enemy and leave it out on a different side (clipping allowed)
c) you enter a square occupied by an enemy and leave it on the opposite side (you have to exit in a position flanking your entry position)
d) you enter the square of an enemy
I GMed this yesterday with a group of 5. Here is my take on my experience:
Edit: I completely forgot I had a blast as GM with this small bounty. I didn't get everything right first time (see notes) - so it was more of a cliff-hanger as needed - but a good game is one where the group needs to fight to win.
A bounty is quick to set up, prepare and do. There are a few subtleties to watch out for. But getting some of them wrong won't make the experience worth unless you kill someone.
1 map which is easy to set up in a VTT, edges cut off, standard flip-map format of 24x30.
1 monster, part of Bestiary 2. You should be able to get it as drag&drop if you have Bestiary 2 in your VTT or you just set up a single monster plus the elite version.
Skill challenges are meaningful, DCs not too high, text has a few nice twists, the group loved the picture of Majesty. We did introductions and some roleplay - so we did run for 1 hour 40 total. But surely can be done a lot quicker.
Allow the naming of the next born by someone in the group in the conclusion - my group loved this tiny aspect.
Hazard / Sinkholes:
Prepare ahead which one(s) are not present. Make a secret perception check for everyone ahead of time to know who might spot it ahead of falling in. This hazard has no proficiency - so characters don't need to search to find them, simple perception is enough. I would rule this secret perception only kicks in if they are next to the sinkhole (if not searching)
Alternately let everyone roll 2 perception checks open and use a d2 for first set/second set to use (or both in that order if someone possibly detects/is in danger of 2 of them)
There is a DC to balance up the log if the group starts in starting place 1. Also an athletics check to climb up the wall. This one is part of the hazard description - so it can be easily missed. No depths for the sinkhole, no DC to climb out of that one.
I used DC 15 single action to climb out of a sinkhole.
Observed/Unobserved/Hidden
The Chupacabra is outside line of sight if the group starts in position 1. This makes it difficult to handle it.
I would say - he is unobserved when initiative is rolled (spider senses tingling - you notice multiple tracks up and down the tree trunk and assume you are close to the lair). Chupacabra has +9 Initiative (stealth +9, +11 in undergrowth, -2 on stealth if starting position 1) - add an extra +2 for elite.
If someone gets up the trunk, then the Chupacabra should become observed (no check). Unless he acts before the first one gets up and spends his turn to hide.
I asked my group to roll perception when they got up and made it more difficult. And my group was unlucky as all failed to notice the creature.
The Chupacabra starts quickened - assuming one character gets up the tree trunk it allows it (if still hidden) to stride (quickened action), pounce against flat footed (action 2), grab (action 3) and Chupar (action 4).
Using Chupar a second time? I interpret 'A Chupacabra can’t use Chupar again while it is quickened in this way.' that it still can drain blood and inflict the drained condition - just not getting (prolonging) the quickened condition.
The way I read it position 1:
4 players - Chupacabra is too far away to pounce round 1 and to grab/drain (unless someone really wanders far enough) - it won't be quickened before round 3.
5/6 players - Chupacabra is quickened for 6 rounds - but it loses one round to hide (if quick enough) or starts not hidden.
Ensure to ask exploration mode as stealth might mean the Chupacabra doesn't know yet the group approaches and won't notice before someone gets up the trunk.
In my game I lured 2 players into sinkholes and we had a truly epic fight - ending with a total of 11 !! HP on the map. 5/18, 5/15, 1/22, 0/19 and 0/19. Three characters went down - one down twice.
This bounty is likely hardest with 5 players. The group seemed in control - but one char went into a sinkhole when he should have finished the beast and one failed when he was close to dying - making it a lot closer to wipe out as expected.
Use the movement, quickened to position the beast behind sinkholes - but ensure the players have an automatic chance to spot the hazard.
I have an issue for a while - in my organized play I always get an error if I hit the 'Sessions' page. The Summary works, GM Event Coordinator works and boons does work (haven't yet tried to purchase any).
Question 1: Does anyone else has this issue?
It makes it awkward as I'm unable to check if all my games got reported correctly. I have a spreadsheet for that - just in case. But there are 2 games I'm not sure if they got reported. So far I assumed yes - as only including them would add up to my total of 60 table credit.
This leads to question 2 - has anyone else noticed a decrease in table credit after hitting the refresh points button in GM/Event Coordinator?
I was proud earlier today to see all 3 glyphs for the first time in my view. Alas - the pride was only short-lived. After hitting refresh I got 58 table credit (and lost one glyph).
Testing out a different browser I first noticed the 3rd glyph gone. Still couldn't get to Sessions - so I refreshed again my points - and my credit went down a further 3 tables to 55.
Hm - another refresh and I'm back to 58??
So maybe the count is correct and I have to chase up the two tables? So far I didn't as I didn't want to have credit twice. Any way to see that without sessions available (no - these two tables have no GM credit for any of my characters - so can't see them that way) and they are not reported by me.
I have prepared this - but I struggle a little bit with A1.
Prefect starts with burning hands 3rd level. This spell deals 6d6 damage with an average of 21 HP on a failed save. This is directly followed by 4d8 + 10 cold damage DC23 from the Spinkler for an average of 28 HP.
We are talking here 49 HP average damage to everyone in round 1 who fails twice in the first round of combat. What do I miss - is this supposed to be that way?
I haven't GMed it yet - so not sure how deadly it really is / if this is just a shock to the system at the start - followed by a more mellow follow on?
One of the strongest features of a paladin is his reaction (retributive strike). This leads to the relative common issue - what happens during combat round 1.
CRB p.472 wrote:
Your reactions let you respond immediately to what’s happening around you. The GM determines whether you can use reactions before your first turn begins, depending on the situation in which the encounter happens.
Quiet a few GMs seem not to be aware that reaction prior to your turn are allowed and it is actually up to them to determine if they allow them or not.
CRB p. 479 wrote:
These are most common exploration activities.
...
DEFEND
EXPLORATION
You move at half your travel speed with your shield raised. If combat breaks out, you gain the benefits of Raising a Shield before your first turn begins.
Again - the CRB tells us that these are the most common exploration modes. This doesn't necessarily mean they can't allow other reasonable exploration modes.
Roleplaying my paladin when asked about exploration mode (several squishy spellcasters around me, we expected possible imminent trouble - I described my paladins exploration activity as 'He has his weapon ready to protect the spell casters'.
My mistake I admit - never spring something surprising on the GM - especially if it involves GM discretion and obscure rulings. Yes you can react before your initiative - but that is at the decision of the GM.
So with some extra time for reflection I thought I came up with a better way to describe it as a better defined exploration mode I call 'Protect'. So my 2 question are
1) Is the following Exploration mode reasonable?
2) Would you change anything in the wording?
PROTECT
EXPLORATION
You don't move. You have your weapon and shield ready to protect against imminent attacks. This allows you to use the retributive strike or shield reckoning reaction as soon as combat breaks out. Any action or feat (apart of flanking) that causes you or the target to be flat footed prevents your reaction.
This exploration mode was written mainly for my paladin - but off course it can be adapted to any other champion or a fighter with AoO. This is mainly for situations where you expect imminent dangers. Sitting on a wagon while passing a possible ambush site. Standing next to a character while he is opening a door behind which you expect enemies. Signs that foreshadow danger (howling animals, a flock of birds suddenly rising up/being disturbed, etc.). A fierce negotiation that could turn violent any moment.
As the title says - could you please unsubscribe my Pathfinder Society subscription.
First - all the best and I hope Paizo will weather the Corona Virus in the Washington area.
Feedback:
Canceling a subscription always seems sad. So why do I want a cancellation?
I'm a very active PFS GM right now. The subscription seemed ideal for me to save me $2 per month and have the scenarios in my downloads as soon as they come out. I GM mainly online and have a regular slot each week Thursday (with enough time to prepare during the day).
I don't mind to run a scenario cold and offer it to other GM's. Actually the contrary - I like to be among the first. Actually I'm proud that my feedback for 1-10 resulted in it to get re-released as pdf.
As subscriber I assumed I would have access first. This never happened. I could see the scenario available in store but not in my downloads. This didn't matter that much in the past. I would be anxious Wednesday night after my F2F AP games if it still wasn't in my download - but at least it would be there next morning.
With the delay of 1-14 / 1-15 you effectively banned me from GMing these scenarios legally until they eventually arrived because I'm a subscriber. I could buy Quest 7, I could buy 1-14 for my son - I could not buy it for myself - because the subscription prevented me from adding it to my cart and just pay the $1 extra and use it when I want.
I will keep GMing. I will keep buying the scenarios. But the scenario subscription left a sour taste. The saving isn't worth it for me to be unable to GM when I want (which is as soon as the scenario is out).
Summary: I should not be penalized being a subscriber.
This one is a pretty straight forward dungeon crawl. I already submitted a review on the product pages. Here some more details including spoilers:
I did run this twice so far - once in each tier.
Fights: The players enjoyed them a lot. Just be careful with preparation. My first game overran by an hour. Was partly my own fault as 6 players and I did this half-spontaneously while not 100% prepped.
Players enjoyed mowing down the kobolds in mass fashion. The flaming skulls are a neat flavour. Not sure if you can attack / hurt a skull - I ruled you can (with same stats as the skeleton).
Individual encounters:
Roleplay to set the scene: Pretty straigh forward info / roleplay
Haunted Wood: I was suprised how much trouble my tier 1-2 group had to take them down due to damage reduction 5 on most what they attempted. This can go very quick with a well prepared group. on the low tier.
The Flaming Skull Guards (tier 1-2) are not trained in intimidation. This looks like an oversight. You would expect at least a score of 2-4 in this skill.
B1 - Entryway: I like the drowning pit in tier 3-4. Unfortunately the placement means that it is unlikely someone actually ventures there. Got someone in the pit trap in low tier as scaling meant a second trap appeared in front of the stairs.
B2 - Summoning Hall - I love the summoning trap. My tier 1-2 group ensured to avoid all coloured tiles - so they hopped from one trigger to the next. The other gorup did a proper search and avoided it. GM tip - be prepared and have summoned monsters ready for the appropriate tier.
B3 - Library - nice roleplat encounter. Is tea now a part of standard equipment? Both groups provided some tea to the ghost ... Call me suprised. One issue I see here is 'Diggen the Liar'. There is no mention here or elsewhere of Zarta - until the chronicle sheet (I did a word search to be sure). Yes - he isn't 100% truthful - but I have trouble to see the motivation to keep him entrapped and deliver him even if caught telling half truths.
B4 - Baracks - in both games I had someone going down to dying after he got caught in the barricade. I decided once triggered that the barricade is very difficult terrain. Would benefit if that is spelled out - or a climb DC given. I alllowed the spellcaster to use his Illusory Retreat in both instances as he was the last man standing. Don't forget that there is a treasure in the barricade.
B5 Thronw room - I had some problems actually to decide where the reaction of Nashaxian works. What does 'Nashaxian can use his Infernal Detonation when any creature enters a square above any of the patches of flame (not just when they step on a grate).' mean.
If you step on a grate, then your are above? Does it just include flying? Does it mean adjacent? Does it mean adjacent but North (facing the throne).
Keep in mind - in addition to the reaction for the crates, you have automatic damage by squares next to the throne. The use of the word adjacent there only means the throne.
Playing Nashaxian: He has no ranged attacks. It makes most sense that he waits in his throne. He likely has a very high initiative. So it makes sense he will wait (delay). Important - you can't react while delaying. So if Nashaxian delays, then whatever character approaches during the delay is safe from the grates. I only learned this in my second game when we discusses delay and reaction. This might lure other characters following into a sense that they are safe as well. He regains his reactions once he has acted / come out of delay.
The persitant bleed is very, very harsh. In tier 3-4 you have hardly a chance at all to prevent this unless you get assisted recovery. Ensure you familiarize yoruself with assistet recovery (CRB 621 - boxed text). Most likely a Medicine check with bandages and 2 actions is needed? Players and GMs will likely become more familiar with stopping persistent damage over time - but right now it is useful to familiarize yourself before the game.
I dislike to open a second thread – but this is potentially a massive issue for running the game and I don’t want it to be buried in an existing thread.
I GMed this yesterday and ran it in a way that “made sense” mathematically. After some reflection and re-reading the whole scenario it daunts on me that there seems to be a massive !! mistake in the description. The alternative is that the game mechanic is way, way off.
Table 4 describes the Overland Travel Progress Points. I did some Maths and calculated the expected values:
What does this mean? You need an average skill of 2 for your overland check to gain 2 PP per day for a total of 8 for the race and to win. Keeping in mind that weather adds an average penalty of 1.5 skill points and that we roll the dice this seems reasonable / balanced so far. There also is Sabotage as well as Diplomacy. For simplicity I assume these two cancel out each other.
Now I do the same for checkpoint tests. These are in principle the same numbers with a -3 on skill. I multiply the total with the number of players as nearly all tried in my group each test. There are 3 differences here:
a) You can’t get negative success / PP
b) You gain PP and not success (at least according to the writeup)
c) Caribou is limited to 4 attempts – others might stop on a critical failure
Skill CF F S CS Expected PP (4) PP (5) PP (6)
0 30% 45% 20% 5% 0.30 4.8 5.7 6.6
1 25% 45% 25% 5% 0.35 5.6 6.7 7.7
2 20% 45% 30% 5% 0.40 6.4 7.6 8.8
3 15% 45% 35% 5% 0.45 7.2 8.6 9.9
4 10% 45% 40% 5% 0.50 8.0 9.5 11.0
5 5% 45% 45% 5% 0.55 8.8 10.5 12.1
6 5% 40% 45% 10% 0.65 10.4 12.4 14.3
7 5% 35% 45% 15% 0.75 12.0 14.3 16.5
8 5% 30% 45% 20% 0.85 13.6 16.2 18.7
9 5% 25% 45% 25% 0.95 15.2 18.1 20.9
10 5% 20% 45% 30% 1.05 16.8 20.0 23.1
11 5% 15% 45% 35% 1.15 18.4 21.9 25.3
12 5% 10% 45% 40% 1.25 20.0 23.8 27.5
Now here is the problem: You need an average skill of 1 (6 player), 2 (5 player) or 3 (4 player) to gain 7 or more PP to win – using checkpoints alone !!
Looking through the numbers I can only assume the following:
The checkpoints give you success and not PP. In addition you add success for overland and checkpoint together for a maximum of 3 PP per day or 12 for the whole race.
In PFS we are instructed to ‘run as written’. What I suspect how it should be is very, very different to what is written. But it seems the only way I can make sense of the scoring system. This is especially an issue as this is a repeatable scenario. You don’t want speed-runs of this.
Any official input would be welcome.
We had a very enjoyable evening yesterday when I ran this the first time. But I had a few questions how to run certain situations. The most crucial one that would benefit from a clarification is encounter D.
Encounter A: The sea devils target lightly armoured foes first and fight to the death. That one is clear. Also it should be clear where the PCs are - just let them move to wherever they want to be.
But this makes positioning of the sea devils / their tactics crucial. Do you start with them 10/20 feet away - using their spears? How many do they have? Do you start with them climbing up the ship and boarding it / already on board as this is what they just did ahead of initiative?
The ship is 120 feet long. So it makes a huge difference where you start with the sea devils - especially if some players are in front of the ship and some in the back.
Encounter B: The sod hounds go for the closest enemy - preferring enemies with metal weapons / metal armour. Positioning at the start of initiative again makes a difference - but less so as in encounter B. The map looks like difficult terrain - but it isn't mentioned and this is the village - so I assume it isn't difficult terrain. I allowed one of the sod hounds to burrow - more for roleplay / show they can do it.
Encounter C: Check if the group has anyone who understands Mwangi or Iruxi as a language. If not then Lumki will only be able to gesture / point to the group. My group actually enjoyed it. I described her pointing in direction a, shake her head, make faces, wave etc. So there was never a problem to get lost if they followed her / went into the direction she pointed to - but keep this in mind ahead of the encounter. The boggards do speak common - so the group has no problems to chat with them. This encounter was straight forward - they first gave food but then chased them away (intimidate).
Encounter D: The group never got the clues from Lumki when she pointed towards the log and the other side of the river to use it as a bridge that can be moved. They (and me) also missed the option to use a feather token ladder as alternative to the log.
Jumping the river clearly is not intended. That leads to issues going deep into how jump works. It is autofail if you don't have a 10 foot stride (remember difficult terrain - making distance/speed an issue). But failure on a jump check means you still Leap normally. So even from standing start this is a 10 foot leap? What about landing in this case? An 'auto success through failure' on a jump seems to cheapen the whole encounter and seems to go against the intention of the writer.
Neither the landing square nor the square you start is 100% land - but how to you deal with a 80% land / 20% water square? This really would benefit from a clarification / from a discussion how to handle this fairly across groups. Keep in mind the group also gets penalized jumping as they likely never spot the 2 treasure bundles.
Arriving at the guidepost with Lumki:
Do you allow players who use search or detect magic while with Lumki to discover the satchel with potions (Detect Magic) and the Hidden Door (Search). It feels wrong to penalize the group not allowing these if they are with Lumki. See also Encounter E why this is of importance.
This seems less of an issue now as I realized you don't miss a treasure bundle (just some potions) and that likely just the double doors are locked. In a quick read you find treasure and assume it must be a bundle ...
Encounter Area E:
There is also a door (window?) on the East side that isn't mentioned. Should this be a window? I have to admit I must have misinterpreted the sentence 'The doors remain resolutely shut despite attempts to open them;'. I applied it to ALL doors leading into the observatory as it uses the plural doors not door and appears straight after describing all entrances. Reading it again I feel it seems only to mean the double doors and the plural doesn't cover the small doors in the North and South. This part had me puzzled as I couldn't find any unblocked entrance apart of the tunnel - which you possibly can't find if you are with Lumki.
So running it again I will rule you can come from the South or North through small doors - break down the double doors (difficult / noisy) and the East is a window climb needed - or you get in via the tunnel - you need someone to search while coming from the guide post. Lumki will suggest not to use the tunnel - but will follow part decision.
Everything else in E is pretty standard dungeon crawl / fights.
I still can't judge how difficult it is to take down Paravaax. My group couldn't scratch Paravaax in the first round but then the rogue did two crits while flanking to take off half the HP and the ranger critted in the end with his hunters shot that also added deadly - making all the difference between a hit absorbed by the damage reduction and doing considerable damage to take him down.
Paravaax could be a real problem if a group gets just bumped up to next tier. I played him after round one as gloating - you can't hit me - don't you want to reconsider and hand over the juicy Iruxi before you are dead as well?
I will reread the scenario to see if there is anything I missed. As always - having played it before GMing or GMing it a second time always helps.
This is just a shout-out from being back from PaizoCon UK and having a grand time with the whole family.
It is always great to meet up with other gamers from the UK and across Europe. And it is one of the places we tend to go with the whole family. I'm not sure if we got very lucky or unlucky - as I donated several items for the raffle in the hope to get a seat at a game of Blood at Dralkard Manor. I don't know what Chris did - but we actually ended up with 4 tickets for the game and I had the priviledge to play under Mike Brock with my whole family.
The game was a lot of fun. And it ended up as a TFK (Total Family Kill). I don't want to give spoilers here. All I can say is - my wife was first. She never saw it coming. My son didn't learn from it and being well ahead of everyone else wasn't a great idea.
My daughter - well - the GM warned her - and several players (me included) on the table didn't realize what she was doing until it was too late. Her death was slow and painful.
Me - well - I was hit by an AoE spell while under the effect of a vanish spell. For five rounds I was slowly bleeding out and just couldn't roll high enough - with every round getting progressivly more difficult.
Even the attempt to use my GM reroll with a massive +5 didn't help.
So in round 6 of bleeding out - being visible again - I announce - only a 20 can now save me. With lots of theatrics I roll the dice and
Spoiler:
roll a 19
close but no cigar
I'm just glad that the two other members of the party survived.
A big Thank-You to Mike for being a fantastic GM. We all enjoyed it. There might be only one part I disagree. I just don't think my daughter learnt anything. She described the game as 'the best game ever' and 'yes I knew what I was doing - I just wanted to know what is behind the door'.
Thanks for the nice lead in. You never know when you write something how it will end up. So I'm very pleased.
I hope the example of the Emerald Lodge will give some players ideas of their own and might motivate them. We will never be the mainstream - this is why EBA and Xeilias are better organized and bigger.
But a group and place like ours has it's own charm.
My local game shop was getting the package and so I was there to GM. I had my son as well as three new players on my table. We all had a great time.
The group decided to 'sabotage' the competition as they got some idea that the other goblins were preparing something. Too bad they didn't realize until too late that they partly sabotaged themselves. But hey - we did play goblins didn't we.
Charging the vine also didn't seem that sensible - but hey - they survived.
The highlight was the live capture of the harpy (after a grapple/pin and a failed !! coup de grace). There will be a new game for the bird crunchers - killgull with a harpy. The grappler claimed the (still living) harpy as prize and now plans to use her for future killgull games.
What could possibly go wrong with such a plan??
So yes - everyone - GM included - had lots of fun.
I know my last post when I tried to explain PFO from the perspective of a PFS player got moved from here to another board. I haven't posted anything PFO related here since.
I hope this doesn't happen for this post. It is meant for PFS VOs and not for existing PFO players. I therefore feel it actually belongs here.
Ryan Dancey wrote:
Greetings! We are pleased to announce that the Pathfinder Society, Paizo's organized play program for Pathfinder tabletop roleplaying and the Adventure Card Game is coming to Pathfinder Online!
Wow - this means it wasn't a joke when Rob Silk and his ranger owed me some time at Emerald Lodge to do pennance after the Tomb of the Iron Medusa.
If you are a PFS VO - let me know if you need any help. 80% of early members of the Emerald Lodge have been European PFS members and we build a Pathfinder Society (in this case I mean Pathfinder Society as the Absalon one - not the organized play) into our background story and our name.
The leader Theodum - actually earned his title as VC during the Eye of the 10 and decided to open a lodge next to the Spire to claim it for the society.
There was a second PFS settlement - Open Road - maybe Nanni Pratt or someone else is able to get this settlement back on the road.
Anyhow - welcome and I'm happy to help any PFS VOs joining the game.
You hear a lot of doom and gloom discussions here. So maybe some time to celebrate a growing settlement. Yes you read right - a growing settlement - despite it being now second of May.
We had a few new members in the last week - coming via various routes.
One member contacted me after doing some searches and liked our profile - thanks for joining.
One was send my way from Atheory - thanks sending him our way. He seemed very happy when I talked to him in chat and realized we know some of the same people and that I speak German.
Grips silver tongue convinced a third one - well done
A PFU member decided we are the right place to build up his company - he wants to build a PvE mercenary company and felt our independance is a great fit. Double welcome - as for this to work he will have to convince others to join him. Wait - that one hasn't joined us yet :)
And one member joined after I send my very first buddy key to a friend with whom I played in the past. I was reluctant to send it out as the game is still very rough - but at least he is now close to fighter 4 and hasn't given up yet despite some 'short-comings' he sees in the game.
There are also some anonymous new members. One might have been thanks to some French chat that I couldn't follow. At least one is an 1000 XP alt - but hey - we take what we get.
It is at times like this that you feel upbeat and feel it is right to carry on as settlement leader and to try the best to make a place that people enjoy to come and join - or to collaborate with.
And it is times like that when you can endure the doom and gloom discussion for a while longer. Yes we have setbacks as well - 2 members are temporarily gone as they are Mac Users. But I hope I will get them back - once the game works properly on Macs again.
And off course - there is always hope that some of the new members bring their friends.
Theodum looked up from his map. The endless march of the Bonedancers had been stopped - once again. But he contemplated another danger - what would happen if there ever was an ambitious settlement that allied themselves not with other settlements but instead with the Bonedancers, the Razmirians or some other evil scum pestering the wild.
Could this ever be done? These evil hordes where looked down upon. Emerald Lodge neighbours Xeilias and the Everbloom Alliance squabbled about the rights to fight these monsters as they called them and to be the first to get glory in defeating them.
And so far it seemed impossible to talk to the leaders of these groups directly. All Emerald Lodge diplomats send to the Bonedancers had returned via Pharasma. But this didn't mean it wasn't possible - it only meant you had to do it in a different way.
Wasn't there wisdom in knowledge. Did everyone think Theodum just collected the chants of goblins for his own ego? There was information and power hidden in these scraps of paper.
These hordes where like a flow of water - they seemed to flow from a spring towards lower lands. But hadn't mankind learned how to tame the flow of water? You could block the spring and it would stop to flow - that was what was done already. But you also could build dams to direct the flow in certain direction or to stop it to flow into direction you didn't want. You could enhance the spring and make it flow more freely.
No - Theodum looked up again. These were evil thoughts - this place in the River Kingdom corrupted. Allying yourself with Bonedancers or Skeletons Risen from the ground was clearly wrong. He only could hope nobody else would ever have the same ideas.
As clearly - embracing the Evil for your own purpose was just wrong.
Theodum looked up from the map. He was still waiting for more information but everything Thod had supplied so far didn't look good. Three times now they had dispatched the leader of the Bonedancers in the last 6 weeks - but every time a new leader had stepped up.
And when it happened just yesterday it seemed the goblins had truly become restless and had started to overrun previously cleared areas.
The Bonedancers hadn't yet reached the Spire - but it was only a matter of time when the magics there would twist a goblin who might become a new leader - and if he would take over the Bonedancers then Emerald Lodge would be surrounded. They even had managed to form some Beachheads on Zombie Kitten Mountain - the most western part of the mountain now fully under there control.
At the moment the lands east of the Emerald Lodge was still free of Bonedancers - but to the west you could walk for a full hour and never leave Bonedancer territory.
They reached as far as South of Hammerforge.
Some magic seemed to keep them away from the former side of Ossian's Crossing and the surrounding lands. South of these lands it seemed they had lost control over their undead minions. A skeletal upraising now fought against the Bonedancers and seemed slowly to advance towards Canis Castrum.
Doomhammer seemed fully surrounded - but it seems to the Northwest of that settlement that again the Bonedancers had lost control over their undead minions and Ghouls roamed the lands and a different goblin clan called them their minions.
SOuthwest of Doomhammer was an area of scroched earth - no goblins anywhere in sight. It seemed the Razmirians fought a winning battle on that side. CLose to High Road the Ripping Chains fought a losing battle against the Bonedancers. They had been reduced to a single small area.
So what had he learned? Most settlements seemed to have capitulated against the Bonedancers. Some areas around Canis Castrum was only lightly populated - and the Emerald Lodge fought a losing battle. But even Golgotha had Bonedancers at their doorstep.
The only forces seemingly able to stop them where magic areas that kept them at bay or other groups strong enough to keep them out - like the Skeletal Uprising and the Razmirians.
I haven't done them for a while. RL and being unable to do 24/7 for PFO caused me to stop doing them. Maybe also a reason was that my own settlement flatlined while I had less time. Mut a few people here have asked me. And I was intrigued myself after the move of AGC. And we haven't been flatlining a week ago.
So what happened? Some pretty large changes over the last few weeks. Total numbers are up from 1301 to 1966. These have to be treated with caution as some might be no longer active. But 50% more characters means PFO isn't dead - especially if you look where the new members have gone.
But first lets look at the settlements that declined:
Stoneroot Glade is down from 95 to 70 and moved down the ranks. I'm told the crafters have moved to Tavernhold. Aragon is down from 96 to 18. This is a drop from large settlement close to being insignificant. But maybe it doesn't matter as they wanted to be bandits anyhow and you don't need (can't afford) too large a bandit settlement.
AGC moved on to Kreuz Bernstein.
Blackwood Glade and Deadman's Glen are down to a single member. We had the demise of Blackwood Glen discussed here - but Deadman's Glen just disappeared silently.
This leads to the settlements growing. Biggest winner in total numbers was Brighthaven - attracting 159 new members. Next is Tavernhold with +104 thanks to Stoneroot Glade crafters. But the real winner in my eyes us River Bank and the Pathfinder University which went up by +102 - growing from tiny roots to the fourth biggest settlement. Congratulations to the hard work of Hoffman and his team and a testament that this game is not dead.
Please have a look at the draft I have produced below. Anythig I miss - anything I should add? The are also discussed by all EL members on our own board. I just posted it there before posting it here. Happy to get input from non EL members as well and to improve it.
Some people might not like the style - but that part is non negotiable. My background is as a GM for TT games. As such I have to balance RAI and RAW (Rules as Intended and Rules as Written). Please read them as RAI. I have a strong dislike of Rules Lawyers who pervert RAI by finding loopholes in RAW. I have written these rules in a way that should leave me enough room not to be hold hostage to RAW arguments or to act in cases not covered. I hope in all these cases RAI is still obvious.
But please point out when you feel RAI isn't well enough defined or isn't fair and RAW could be improved.
You might notice the term 'Free Settlers'. This got in there through some remarks by Bluddwolf. I would like that a new company is formed - Free Settlers. This company will allow people who don't want to be forced into the rigours of a settlement to more or less play their own style and only have a very lose affiliation with the Emerald Lodge.
I'm currently looking for a leader of this company (could come from the outside) and will draw up rules that still need to be added to the laws of the Emerald Lodge. No bandits, criminals, evil worshippers are allowed and anyone who brings the Emerald Lodge in dispute will be kicked out. But apart of that I would like this company to be a company of independent people.
So this would not solve Bluddwolfs problem - but that is mainly because I can't see the Emerald Lodge sponsoring bandits. But maybe another settlement creates something similar and is allowing bandits in their fault.
The number allowed in that company should never grow to more as half the number of all other companies in EL.
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The Law of the Land – Emerald Lodge
12.th of Pharast in the year 4712AR
These are the Rules of the Land around the Emerald Lodge The Lands of the Emerald Lodge
Unless otherwise specified these laws apply to all lands that are closer to the settlement of Emerald Lodge as to any other settlement that isn’t abandoned. This laws also apply to the lands directly surrounding the towers called The Emerald Seven – which are: Baron’s Folly, The Moonshine Mill, The Nameless One, The Missing Hero, Thod’s Vigil and the Wandering Merchant.
Crimes and Justice
Any crime done inside these lands will be followed up by Theodum – or in his absence – Thod. Any victim of a crime should bring his or her grievance forward to Theodum or Thod at the first opportunity and they will investigate if a crime has been committed and if the crime needs to be followed up.
Crimes tend to be grievances against members of the Emerald Lodge or guests of the Emerald Lodge. Explicitly named are the crimes of murder, banditry and thievery. But we all know that criminals can be inventive to find other ways to pursue grievances of our members or guests– so this list surely is not complete and we will add other crimes as they are committed and come to our attention.
Many aspects need to be considered when a crime is being investigated and a judgement is done – these include the proximity to our settlement, the severity of the crime, if the perpetrator is repentant or not and if a perpetrator offers repayment for damages done.
Not every grievance is a crime and in most circumstances an apology of the perpetrator towards the victim will suffice. We try our best to be just – and both victim and perpetrator have to follow our judgement. We reserve the right to place a bounty on the head of unrepentant perpetrators or a perpetrator who is unwilling to give his victim the repayment for the damages he has caused. These laws apply in the same way to Lords or peasants. Before our laws both are treated equal.
Any repayment should never be higher as the damage done to a victim. Any victim trying to benefit or falsely accusing another person might find himself on the other side of the law him or herself.
If you feel unjustly treated by Thod or Theodum then you have the right to appeal to the Decemvirate. Current members of the Decemvirate are Abathan, Baron, Bellows McGurk, Deianira, Diltig, Flitwyck, Kaleigh, Pinki and Smendor. Three or more of these members can overturn any ruling made by Thod or Theodum. Any new ruling will have to be done by the majority of the Decemvirate – with Thod or Theodum deciding when no majority is reached.
No further appeals are possible.
The Growth of the Lands
What grows in our lands or what you can dig out of the ground belongs to nobody. But any druid will tell you that wanton harvesting of plants will leave only a barren land and this would mean all of us will suffer.
We are proud that our lands only offer the best quality of wood, herbs and gems. Only a land in equilibrium with itself can produce resources of the best quality. We therefore declare it a crime to harvest resources of inferior quality. Sometimes you only notice after the harvest that you collected inferior goods. We don’t persecute you should this happen – contrary – we will reward you if you bring this to the notice of the Decemvirate. But stop your gathering as soon as you find any goods with questionable quality.
The rule of not harvesting inferior raw materials applies to everyone – members of the Emerald Lodge as well as Free Settlers, Gatherers or Visitors.
Members of the Emerald Lodge have unlimited rights to gather in our lands. We expect that most of the materials gathered will be used for the betterment of the settlement and you are urged to deliver any resources not to be used by yourself to Larelai – our quartermaster. In return Larelai will give you materials you need yourself or refined goods as well as weapons, armour or other crafted goods.
Free Settlers are allowed to gather up to 500 raw materials each day. They can keep all they gather. The quartermaster will always accept donations for the betterment of the settlement from any Free Settler – she will also be happy to trade any goods she has in surplus against any goods that the free settler has gathered, refined or crafted.
Gatherers are members of other settlements or unaligned wanderers who want to harvest our lands. You are allowed to harvest in our lands up to 200 raw materials each day. In exchange we ask for a monthly token amount of 1 copper piece that covers a gatherer licence. In addition we ask for a donation of 10% of all the materials you have gathered.
The license to gather rare materials Tier 2 is 1 silver piece per month.
The payment and donation should be made to the quartermaster. You will find the quartermaster during office hours at the bank. Outside office hours payments should be made to any member of the Decemvirate or at the first possible opportunity.
Visitors. Merchants or Diplomats without a license don’t have any gathering rights in our lands. We don’t mind if you pick the occasional flower or have a lucky find of a gem. But if you want to gather more as 10 raw materials per day then apply for a gatherer license.
We trust all gatherers to pay their dues, not to exceed their quotas and to donate generously to the upkeep of the Emerald Lodge. Please don’t misuse this trust as offenders will be placed on the list of criminals and will be referred for judgement to Theodum or Thod.
Criminals in our lands
Anyone who has not committed a crime in our own lands is welcome as a visitor and has the same rights as any other visitor. We don’t hold any crimes that you have done in other lands against you. This does not mean that we give indemnity to everyone coming to our lands.
Other settlements who feel that we harbour a criminal and prevent justice against him or her should contact Theodum, Thod or the Decemvirate. They will allow in severe cases that you can hunt down the criminal in our lands.
Don’t go hunting for criminals in our lands without asking first. Otherwise you might risk to commit a criminal act yourself.
There is no lynch justice in our lands. And this applies also to our own members.
Visitors and facilities
At the moment every visitor is allowed free use of our bank, our crafting facilities as well as our training facilities.
The use of the bank is not allowed to hide ill-gotten gains from criminal activity or to store armour or weapons for an army or a war. Store these items elsewhere.
Smallholdings and Camps
We welcome visitors, merchants and gatherers from all places of the River Kingdom. Anyone is therefore allowed to erect a smallholding or a camp in our lands. Please be aware that there is only limited space for such a structure.
The last free space in an area will always be reserved for a true member of the Emerald Lodge. Please also be advised that a smallholding or camp under no circumstances should be used as a staging ground for a war or as hideout for bandits going into the lands of our neighbours.
Monsters and bandits
Monsters and bandits are a danger to everyone in our lands. Therefore everyone in our lands has the rights to kill monsters or bandits and take their ill-gotten spoils as reward for making our lands a safer place.
But please take care that what you think is a bandit is not a merchant or visitor instead. Mistakes do happen – but we don’t want to place any overzealous paladin on our criminal list because of a mistaken identity. This would just be a tragedy.
Two days ago I gave a talk at the Pathfinder University about diplomacy in PFO. This gave me the idea for the story. Around the same time an incident happened. One of our members learned a very painful lesson. He wanted to carry several valuable crafted goods and hard earned raw materials from Emerald Lodge to Marchmont. He had used some +4 ingredients to create a +3 item. It was his own stupidity that he couldn’t resist to attack a seemingly simple group of monsters – only to miss a champion among them.
The story could have ended here – but when he came back to his husk he saw someone looting it. A fight started (don’t ask me who started it) – words were typed in the chat that surely were not the most diplomatic on either side – and my member lost and described the behaviour of the looter in words that I can’t post here.
As a settlement leader – what do you do? Especially what do you do when the victim is not a starting player was clearly outclassed, the opposing side seems to think they don’t have acted improperly in any way but you feel your own settlement has just been bullied – especially if around the time the EBA disallows gathering from nodes in their area while there hardly can be anything more juicy as a husk containing many hours of gathering and crafting.
As diplomat you sit on a powder keg with fire all around you and a good chance it blows up in your face if you do anything.
The whole idea of this game is that actions have consequences. PvP can be done in different ways. Asked in the lecture at the PFU I said that I deliberately use Theodum for board thread PvP. So using Theodum seemed just the right answer to make a stance and to display that the Emerald Lodge isn’t bullied – by anyone.
Now for would be diplomats I would say to not repeat what I’m doing here. It is very unlikely you will get away with it. Actions have consequences – this also includes postings on these boards. I’ve worked hard to maximize the effect but to minimize the consequences – but I’m not in control what happens after I hit the submit button. And there is still the possibility that this whole lot blows up in my face.
I’m sure the victim of Theodum will feel backstabbed and treated unjust. Having given the player the chance to apologize or to hand back the items he got and not posting anything with Theodum he regarded this as threats, blackmail and extortion.
I personally react very negative to such accusations.
Welcome to PFO and the River Kingdoms. The way I see it I allowed the player an honourable diplomatic stand and deliver. The player didn’t accept it – so he will have to live with the consequences.
I’m sure he sees it differently and some will now paint me as a bully, a blackmailer and an extortionist. Welcome to a game working as expected.
I have to live with the consequences of my own actions and I bank on the fact that the majority reading this will rather agree with my actions – or just will see this neutrally and enjoy Schadenfreude.
I want to make sure it is understood that this action was the action of a single player and in no way should be seen as the Emerald Lodge trying to undermine another settlement. Unfortunately the player being a leading member of a large settlement inside a large alliance using the same name in character and out of character will make this whole thread very explosive.
I have a lot of respect to the hard work of Phaeros and the Everbloom Alliance. They do a lot of great work to make this game better – and that includes the player who gets outed here. But I’m not accepting misbehaviour inside our borders and inside the game from anyone – no matter which alliance they are from or how powerful they are.
You bully us or any visitor to us at your own peril inside the borders of the Emerald Lodge. You have what you hold. Have fun with the ill-gotten spoils you got from Bellows McGurk. We don’t need them back anymore. I hope the price you paid was worth it.
Anyone wanting to post in this or the other thread – please keep it classy.
Theodum was sitting with all the kids from the settlement in the Spire’s Retreat. There wasn’t a school in Emerald Lodge and this early in the morning was the only time without any customer. So the inn also acted as an impromptu school building.
Theodum looked around at the 5 young boyrs and girls aged 5 to 12 and started to talk. Good morning boys and girls. It is great that nearly all of you have come. Learning is important and today I wanted to talk to you about honour. Honour is something valued very much in the River Kingdoms. Honour is something you can’t buy with silver or gold. No matter how rich you are – if you wander down to Hammerfall or up to Marchmont – you won’t be able to buy it in the auction house. So who knows the most important rule of the River Kingdoms?
Three hands shot up and Theodum pointed to the young red haired girl which had her hand up in the air. You have what you hold..
Theodum smiled Well done Ayra – well done. Yes everyone here knows that you have what you hold is important in this lands. So who can give me the name of a well known and honourable bandit?
Grots hand shot up in the air. The half-orc boy was large for his 9 years and tended to listen but it was rare that he ever said a word. Master Theodum – Blodvaerd – Blodvaerd is such a bandit. He is the greatest bandit in all of the River Kingdoms. He is leading the Unnamed Company. I heard he can extract money even from Paladins and Lords. But he had a good heart. Have you heard the story of Blodvaerd how he helped a peasant to get his belongings back when he was waylaid by goblins just outside Marchmont. One day I will become a member of the Unnamed Company and I will be Blodvaerds best fighter.
Theodum smiled – he never had heard Grots speak so much. This small boy had a bright future if he kept teaching him the right ways of the River Kingdoms. Grots – that was a great answer! He took a sweet out of his robe and it arched towards the boy who snatched it out of the air before any of the others could take it from him.
Grots – that was a great answer – but do you also know someone whom you wouldn’t want to follow or join? .
The smile on the face of the young half orc disappeared and was replaced by feelings of disgust. He spit out the half eaten sweet. Decius Brutus – he is nothing better as a thief. He took away the new silver holy symbol from Bellows McGurk when he was send to Pharasma’s shrine just outside the Lodge after losing against an undead champion. Thod has offered a reward – the best sword that our weapon smith has forged so far. I will earn this bounty. Baron is teaching me and I will show Baron how good I am by bringing Decius head to him.
Grots brandied his rusty dog cleaver – half broken – a poor weapon and likely discarded by a goblin when he got hold of something better from an unwary traveller. But the young half orc brandished it threatingly and it seemed his prized procession. This certainly would be no match for a veteran of fighter Decius. But Theodum wouldn’t discourage Grots. He was young and still had lots to learn.
Grots – that is a great example. And that brings me back to the question of honour and the River Freedoms. Indeed the most important one is You have what you hold. But too many people in the River Kingdoms don’t use the full description of this River Kingdom Freedom. The full text should be
You have what you hold—that is, what you can keep hold of is yours to keep. Armed robbery is almost praiseworthy in the River Kingdoms, a major contributor to the region’s bandit problems, but burglary—denying the victim a chance to resist—is viewed as cowardly.
So always keep in mind for honour it is not only important that you have what you hold. For honour it is important how you got hold of it. And honour is something you can’t just hold in your hand if you are stronger and meaner. Honour derives from your actions.
Okay children – this was the lesson for today. Grots – go to the weapon smith. Tell her Theodum has send you and replace your dog slicer with a good cold iron short sword. You will need it if you want to hunt Decius for the Emerald Lodge.
And before you leave please let me know what you want to learn tomorrow. We could talk about bards, jesters or diplomats. The smile disappeared from Grots face and the other children also looked glum. Ah – you don’t want to hear about bards, jesters and diplomats. So maybe you want to hear about how a kingdom who did rise to power and ruled everyone around them – but the rule lasted less than a year as strive and infighting started and they crumbled back to ruins. Or do you want to hear about the might king who rose to power but his rule was cut short when he was run out of his own kingdom by his peasants. Or would you like the story about the kingdom that was formed by a simple ranger who had no more as 2 followers when he started and that did last for over fifty years until he died of old age.
The children smiled again – and so did Theodum. He was sure the children would be back tomorrow morning to listen to his stories. He still hadn’t decided if he should tell the story of the bard who’s song started the strive that led to the downfall or the jester who’s pranks at the court of the king had caused the peasants to revolt – or his favourite – the ranger who started with a small group of friends and united many larger fighting clans to rule as part of one of the longest lasting times of peace here in the River Kingdoms that Theodum was aware of.
Please only post in character in this thread - there is a second one for OOC postings.
I had a lot of fun this week with Theodums call to fight the bonedancers. The reason for the call was that it was an awkward escalation in an off-the-way hex that remained unchecked for too long.
The highlights for me were:
a) great roleplay in the roleplay thread
b) participation from various different groups
c) a way to mix with other groups
This makes it different to your normal pest control escalation fighting or recipe harvest that happens inside a settlement or an alliance.
Is there an interest to make this a regular occurence? We could nominate each week a hex that we target. People could meet up - fight together - have fun. I probably would move it away from Wednesday as this is my TT evening.
But I feel it would be a shame if this was just a one-off. It also might give non-affiliated players a chance to mix in with a group.
Having it regular also helps that people can plan.
Anyone who read the Role Play Thread first and thought it is about a settlement close to EL – I’m sorry to disappoint. This initiative does try to promote PvE and not PvP. This is a sandbox and it is time that some RP and PvE actions gets into the spotlight for a few days.
So what is it then about?
At -12/09 see PFO Atlas or approx. 6 km South, 7 km west of TK is a monster hex with a bonedancer escalations. The closest settlement is Deadman’s Glen – 2 hexes NE of the monster hex. Canis Castrum is also just 2 hexes away to the west – but they have to make a large detour getting there.
So no surprise that the hex was left unchecked and has grown over time and is now reaching all the way east up to Emerald Lodge and it seems even Golgotha. We tend to clean out the hexes next to us – but this is not helpful as long as the monster hex itself isn’t taken down.
We should have the raw manpower to do it ourselves – but it is 6 hexes away and it needs some serious coordination for us to handle it. So maybe the best idea therefore is to do this together. There have been shocking little cross settlement PvE initiatives lately.
So – I hope to see players from Canis Castrum, the Pathfinder University, EBA, Golgotha and maybe even from Ozem, Stoneroot and Aragon to fight the Bonedancers.
This is a ‘simple’ escalation. The biggest thread are the Death Squads – and even these can be tackled solo if you are very, very careful. The only difficulty of this escalation is – it is far away from everyone and it has been unchecked for weeks – possibly since the start of the game – so not only is the hex itself 100% - many other hexes are at 100% as well.
I’m not doing an overarching organization. Hop on the Golaron Mumble server and find a group of 2 or 3 likeminded players and just kill goblins. Please try to form groups with members of other settlements if possible. The whole idea is about a cross settlement collaboration here.
Golarion Mumble Server
Address: golarion.mumble.com
Port: 3093
Password: PFOnline
The Emerald Lodge will reward the group which finishes the escalation with a T2 armour – take a pick of either: Dwarven Steel Banded +1, Captains Chain +1, Ornate Chainmail +0 or Embroidered Silk Robes +0 – if possible we will try to upgrade the robes to +1 or we might add Boiled Leather +0 to the mix – but these I can’t promise. Check before in your group who will get it. Unfortunately I’m not able to promise such armour for each participating member.
I don’t know how quickly the escalation will be defeated from 100% down to nothing – but no worry – there are loads of bonedancers close by which will keep us entertained for a while.
Oh – and write about your exploits (or death) in the RP thread. Keep it classy – keep it entertaining.
They have to die – every last of them. By night and day the shadow of evil is getting closer and it starts to engulf us from all directions. We should have acted while the evil was still small and easy to fight – but we felt secure in our position.
This was wrong – and the time of no actions is over. We will fight for our survival. We won’t any longer just set here and watch the evil happen around us without any actions. Emerald Lodge – it is time to go to war. We will send out couriers to all settlements who are friendly to us to help us in our endeavour.
On our own we are weak – and this is why we haven’t acted earlier. But once we swell our ranks with armies from other lands – nothing will be able to stand in our way. We will set a bounty for each evil slain. And whoever defeats the evil leadership behind it will get a special price.
It is time that the Emerald Lodge raises it’s banner and marches ahead of the troops.
Time to stomp out the evil – time to eradicate it. Evil hear us – your time has come.
battlecry:
Evil die - Bonedancers – die !!!
Please only reply in character in this thread. There is a second thread for general discussion, organization, etc. Please go there for details how to join our forces.
I placed at least 1 gp worth of goods into the Machmont AH. This includes T2 refined goods, +2 and +3 refined goods a T2 long sword as well as other items and 20+ recipes.
I also bought 100 coal fir 12 cp each which are safely back - actually I added an extra 8 while passing the plains 2 South if Marchmont.
I hope some of it sells to make it viable to go back and place more stuff in the AH. I tried to set sensible prices - some I saw where just ridiciolous - for 2 sp per lodestone the sword would cost nearly as much just in lodestone alone.
I'm happy to buy stuff we need or which is reasonably priced.
Theodum was meeting up with Thod in the library of the Emerald Lodge. “There have been bad news from the South. I don’t have full information – but it seems the holy grooves of the Blackwood Glade has been burned down by pillagers living north to us on the mountain.
There are rumours they used Risen Undead and other evil creatures – but that might only be rumours. It also isn’t clear if everyone in Blackwood Glade is now dead or if there are survivors and if some or all of these survivors are now heading back towards Kyonin. I hear many different stories.
Please go and find out more. Offer help to the survivors. Look for a druid if there is anything that can be done to the holy groove. Retrieve a sapling or some seeds of any holy trees if nothing else can be salvaged.
I will reach out to the leaders in the North and the South to find out what can be done to stop such a tragedy to reoccurring. And organize me a bucked full of Emerald Spirit – I will have to give my prayers to Zog and hope he will listen.
It needs to be a new bucket – the old one disappeared. I suspect an unsavoury traveller and his donkey – he seemed surprisingly interested in my bucket.”
Updated numbers - have to be treated with caution as most settlements currently can't accept new members. %-numbers are now updated for every settlement and I used the ones from Caldeathes spreadsheet instead of the ones I took 3 (?) weeks ago from the GW webpages. They should be more accurate.
Callambea had a large drop in members. I heard rumours it is administered from afar now. Ozem had a similar sized drop - but I might have got last week wrong by 10 - so that might not be real. Aragon has overtaken Stoneroot. The recruiting in Marchmont seems to pay.
Theodum looked proudly at his collection. Slowly it was growing. Just earlier today Jazz Strongblade had uncovered a large box full of unresearched pages in the back of her vault.
It had taken Theodum the better part of several hours to categorize them and to add them to his existing collection.
There was still a lot missing. But slowly all the text got rather more complete and in most cases he had now at least half of them.
He even had several spare pieces or duplicates. Maybe he should invite other researchers and collectors to join him in the Emerald Lodge and to exchange knowledge and duplicate pages.
Catalog of the Emerald Lodge:
Unopened Title Pages Theodums private library
? Asmodean Monograph 1 1 A fragment from the central Asmodeum tome
Unresearched Prophecy Book of 1000 Whispers 1-15 11 Scrap of Prophecy
? Chronicles of the Darklands 1 1 A scrap of text
? Commander Halven's Watch Log 1 1 Final Entry
? Crusader Oath 1 1 A sacred vow taken by all crusaders
? Cryptic Messages from LS 1-5 4 A tiny writing on a small strip of paper
Unresearched Journal Entry Diary of Kodeth Tell 1-11 9
? Exploring Saventh-Yhi 1-2 1
Unresearched Scientific Record Finding on Artifact RKESNA3 1-4 2
Unresearched Book Page Gorumskagat IV 1 1 From the heroic Gorumite poem
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Something weird happened. One of our non-core 6 towers became unclaimed. It is technically possible that this can happen.
Step 1: Form a new unaligned company
Step 2: Take the tower
Step 3: Disband the company
It is possible that I just didn't notice.
But with core 6 disappearing / reappearing and cotrol taken off / control restablished I felt I bring this up here in case this happened to anyone else.
Emerald Lodge has retaken The Nameless One - but it still is a mystery how we actually lost it in the first place. Unless companies not aligned to a settlement don't keep towers anymore?
The live in the River Kingdoms was interesting in these days. Theodum had just rejoiced on the streets and praised Zog for dealing with the onslaught of monsters when a letter on his desk caught his attention.
REVOLUTION
We hereby declare the end of the Alpha-Aristocracy. Down with the leading class. Everyone has the right to be equal. No privileges anymore. They haven’t protected us from the monsters – they are not fit to rule us anymore.
There wasn’t any signature. Galt sprang to mind – could it be that some grey guards from Galt had secretly infiltrated this area. He would have to be on the lookout for guillotines. He didn’t wanted to lose his soul. But then – technically it would be Thod who had to march to the Guillotine. But could he really rely on it?
Messengers where send out – and the news back seemed bleak. Golgotha – Phyllain no longer in power, Hope’s End – Duffy ran out of town, Brighthaven – Cheatle no longer in control.
He went down to The Spire’s Retreat. One bucket full of Emerald Spirit again – oh – and please catch me a new rat.
It seemed it was time to worship Zog again. After all – the prayers had worked last time.
Edit: You might also want to read The Emerald Lodge Curfew where it is explained how to worship Zog properly.
Theodum was busy writing placards and hanging them all over his settlement. The armour smith seemed miffed when he nailed it next to his forge, the loom gave him a strange look when he hang one on his drying lines for finest twine - but he couldn't care less - he had to protect his own citizens.
The lands were overrun by monsters. All his plans to investigate the Emetald Spire where at naught if the monsters left the woods and overran his settlements. Why hadn't they build a barricade yet.
Not everyone seemed of his opinion - he had seen Baron, Zaar Frozen Blade and Thod leave town earlier and coming back - blood splattered, laughing. They just have bad examples to the upstanding citizens. It was deadly out there.
At least he could ask these three rascals for a mission.
Two hours later he met up with Baron, Zaar and Thod in the cellar of The Spire's Retreat. They had a large wrapped bundle with them that still wriggled as if something living was inside.
'Unwrap it' commanded Theodum. Be friendly but keep it under control.
A goblin appeared, only slightly bruised - but his eyes darting around with evil intend.
'Tell me your name - I heard you are one of the local shamans'
'Hlep not tellin yu nything' - his eyes looked around desperate taking in his hopeless position.
'Okay Hlep listen up. I know you don't like us - but I need your help. Here is a large fresh bread, still warm, a smoked leg of a pig, some fireworks, a dwarven Steel dagger and 100 shiny new copper pieces. This is all your if you build us an altar to Zogmugot, your Lady Lastbreath. Tell me what you need and all is yours - don't work with us and my friends here will to what they did with all your friends - understood?'
Hlep looked up - confused - but understanding slowly - after all he was a shaman of his clan. A mischievous grin spread over his face.
Me Give chair, rat, string, bucket - Hlep need dagger now. Hlep not can make altar if Hlep not dagger.
Theodum looked puzzled - but he gave the others the sign to relieve the goblin and get everything he asked for.
It took Hlep an hour - and Theodum was puzzled by his work. He first disassembled the chair and carved out bits here and there - sharpening different parts in the process. But reassembled the chair looked like before.
He then placed the chair in front of one of the wine casks - tied the rat with a string on one leg and the other on the rafter so that it was dangling just above the wine cask - he then placed the bucket under the rat so the rat disappeared from sight.
'Hlep good altr made. Longleg neat watr. Beir do better. But Zog want worship lone - so Longleg take watr, put in bucket, do prayr sit in chair whil rat close drown. Zog hear your prayr if done well.'
Theodum looked at the whole contraption - this was all there was. Well - even if they wasted some good food on the goblin - it was worth a try.
He handed Hlep all the promised goods and told Baron, Zaar and Thod to leave him alone. He then went up to the Innkeep and asked for the daily supply of Emerald Spirit. Surely of beer worked better then Emerald Spirit must be superior.
On the edge of the wood a laughing Hlep disappeared in the woods - biting into the smoked leg of pig. 'Zog know everything. Stuped Longleg prayer heard before given.'
Inside the cellar Theodum poured the Emerald Spirit into the bucket and sat down.
Trap damage 3d6 + 4 ⇒ (6, 2, 4) + 4 = 16
It took two painful hours before Theodum was freed by the barkeep getting some wine. The rat had not only drowned by then - it seemed to have completely dissolved. Only a moth eaten piece of string dangled above the evil green looking liquid that started to seep out of the bucket.
The only thought Theodum had - it was worth it if Zog would answer his prayer. If not - he would go out himself and find Hlep and strangle him - even if this would be the last action he ever did.
I thought it would be good to get some stats before EE4.0 goes in. People who know these threads already will be familiar with the format - the name of the settlement followed by the number of pledged characters. I also added a week ago the relative % compared to the numbers at the landrush.
Also back is the number of towers as I felt this is a good time to make a snapshot.
So what about the click baiting title? Some people might notice that there is a different order. I tend to order by size - but this time around I first order all crafter settlements by size and then all other settlements. The reason is I noticed a clear trend for crafter settlements to underperform compared to all other kind of settlements.
So what do we see?
The best %-age off all crafter settlements is 68% for Callambea. In comparison there are 8 non crafter settlements which score >100%
Keepers Pass is in the Everbloom alliance - the two other large settlements there don't suffer that problem and seem to grow well.
In addition all three main crafter settlements LOST members week over week. The loss are an insignificant 1 or 2 members less for Keepers, Callambea and Talonguard - but this is compared to an averall growth from 1199 to 1169 members in settlements.
This is even more surprising if you read these boards. PvPer should struggle - if you read the posts then they are nearly unplayable. Crafters should strive - this is THEIR time to shine - gathering and crafting forms is what is important right now and what even some PvPers are forced to do.
No - I don't have an explanation. Individual leadership might play a big role - but I can't believe none of the crafter settlements can buck the trend.
So why do we have more problems attracting people to these settlements?
Every tower that the Emerald Lodge claims its own has a name and a story. As chronicler I sometimes get asked about the towers. So I decided to tell some short stories about them. Six of these are named after the early heroes of the Emerald Lodge and the sevenths in honour of the discoverer.
Baron's Folly -01/08 - the most eastern tower - likely the best known of them all - the story of Baron's Folly has been told numerous times.
The Moonshine Mill -04/09 - not really a true tower - this building is used by Alirya to make the best robes in all of the River Kingdoms. The mill is powered by waters coming from the Golgotha Mountains and passing the Emerald Spire - being infused with some of the magic there. Also north of the mill are some of the best areas to gather the finest wool and cotton as well as moonstones and ordered essence to turn into runespun robes of unparalleled quality. Alirya is said to be in the process to craft some even higher quality embroidered silk robes in the mill soon.
The Frozen Forge -07/07 - A mystical forge rumoured to be of ancient dwarven origin going back to the times of the quest for sky - a place you find Zaar Frozen Blade plying his trade. The forge uses ice and not fire to refine the metal and it once was used in one of the Sky Citadels of the dwarves and it is a mystery how the forge ended up in the River Kingdoms. Ancestors of Zaar were the owners of the last known Frozen Blade made on the forge before the blade got lost in a fight with evils from deep below. Zaar's quest is to once again make the forge useable and to rediscover the mystery of the frozen blades.
The Nameless One -09/09 - this tower was to be named after another hero of the Emerald Lodge. But somehow Pinki never told anyone and made a mystery of this tower. So maybe someone needs to travel there – or invite Pinki to a drink in The Spire’s Retreat to find out more.
The Missing Hero -11/09 - this is an empty tower. Rumour is that this was the last place where Frazzlerunning was seen before leaving the River Kingdoms. There is also a legend that a member of the Emerald Lodge with true intentions visiting this place in the hour of need will be able to summon the hero back to the River Kingdoms. Nobody in the Emerald Lodge so far has tested this legend.
Thod's Vigil -13/07 - This tower came into possession of the Emerald Lodge by trade with Hope's End for another tower. Thod spend a whole night on his own in the tower and rumours are he has to renew this vigil once a month to keep the tower in the possession of the Emerald Lodge.
The Wandering Merchant - -10/04 - this tower was the last tower to come into the possession of the Emerald Lodge. The tower was half burnt down and used as a hide-out of a local bandit group when Guildenstern the merchant stumbled upon it on his travels looking for a place to sleep. He was just about to settle down for the night when he was rudely disturbed by an arrow fired by a ranger from the North. He fortified the tower a little bit for the rest of the night and left the Emerald Lodge flag above the tower when he left next morning. The flag flies above the tower since.
Someone said recently that there is an eights tower - The Gift of the North. It isn't confirmed yet if this tower exsts or where it actually is.
Some darker rumours:
Is it true that the number of towers - 7 - has a special meaning?
Does it connect to old Thassilonien times?
Are the towers spread out in a star shaped form?
I don't know yet what will happen on Thursday with the new patch. But I have to say this is a great community and despite this being a competetive game I got a lot of support from many different sides. Below is a bit I copied from our internal members discussions:
So where to we develop from here?
Post cataclysm I expect that we will focus on
Trade and craft - well above average
Defence - well below average
Training for fighter, wizard, cleric, rogue - we will have the minimum to ensure you keep training. Beyond that it depends what we can afford or if these training could be done at our neigbours
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In the meantime we will soldier on - trying to be a place for players who don't want to be in one of the large power blocks, carry on with the mission to explore the Emerald Spire (some day) and add our bit of quirkiness and RP to the game to make it a better and more interesting place to be.
And Theodum wrote another piece - The Emerald Seven - inspired by the post from Proxima Sin.
Theodum visited the Spire's Retreat. It was himself who had put up a sign - no Emerald Spitit allowed anymore due to health and safety reasons - but he should have known better. He now lived in the River Kingdoms and people here didn't like rules.
Worse - it seemed that since he had put up the sign that a continous group of people had visited the inn and most of them where found later on dumped outside.
Was he here to drown his sorrow - or to play the fool and enlighten the area around. He couldn't care.
I would like some input from my own settlement as well as from other groups.
The upcoming changes in EE4 make our current status difficult. I see out settlement as failed if we can't offer rank 10 training.
What would we need?
8 towers
What do we have?
7 towers - of these several likely not defensible (by us)
Why can't we take more?
1) Neutrality makes it difficult to go poaching easy targets
2) Golgotha to our North and EBA to our South doesn't offer room
3) 2/3 of our alliance is on EU time-line. Starting PvP to capture towers after 22:30 is not an option (17:30 EST or 15:30 Seattle time - unlikely that there will be many open PvP windows earlier)
There is no decision made - and I look for alternative ways what best to do. Become a member of a large alliance would be the easiest option it seems. There are many reasons why I wouldn't like to do that - but I have to stay realistic.
So - let me know your thoughts if we should stay neutral and how.
Disclaimer: I haven't talked to any of the other alliances nor to my own members. No decision has been made. But I look for an option that preserves 8 towers for us.
Another week has passed - we are close to 1200 or should I say we reached 1240?. It depends. So another look at numbers. I haven't resorted them from last week - so Canis Castrum would have passed Talonguard in total numbers and Riverbank would have climed up the rankings.
But I felt the more interesting bit are numbers I didn't add in the past. I did compare the current number of characters pledged with the number of votes that the settlements got during landruch.
A percentage below 100% means that some backers never made it that far to start the game and to join the settlement for which they pledged the vote. I know of several players who voted for me but never showed up. But I also have quite a few players in the Emerald Lodge that didn't vote for me.
Numbers aren't perfect as I took them from the latest landruch numbers - and they will have changed since the end of landrush. But I couldn't bother to dig the original numbers out from somewhere (Cal ?). I also wasn't sure which company was Alderwag or Blackwatch.
A total of 8 settlements have > 100%. Not surprisingly Brighthaven, Golgotha and Phaeros are among them.
The only two other groups from the original top 11 are Aragon (thanks to the Alegiant Gemstone company I assume) and Emerald Lodge (yep - proud about that).
But there are three more that I hadn't realized how well they do. Auroral has a staggering 224% - they must do something right. Canis Castrum is even better with some 258% - the best overall compared to the landrush.
But what really suprised me was Deadman's Glen. After all - not too long agao I assumed the group 'dead' and was hoping for some of their core 6 as possible additional towers for us. They seem much more alive then a lot of other groups.
Oh - I also looked at unaffiliated companies. This is a little bit difficult as you can't 'search' for them. They pop up when you make the search unspecific - but there is a mx. list of hits that you get.
I identified a total of 17 such companies with a total of 41 members. There might be more - but likely not many.
I listed the ones with 2 or more members. The only one truly of significance seems to be Sensou. The other ones might be good additions to settlements - especially to smaller ones - but there just aren't that many more players out there already in companies.
Still - at least the Pathfinder Society should contact me.
Theodum had been invited to the naming ceremony of the new tavern at Emerald Lodge. He wasn’t a fan of such crude drinks like Cayden’s Brew – or worse the unrefined taste of real dwarven ale. But as leader of the Lodge it was his duty to be seen in public – at least on special occasions.
He actually enjoyed it being surrounded by cheering folks from the Lodge. He did spot Flitwyck, Armenfast, Endel, Zaar Frozen Blade, Pinki, Baron and many others from the Lodge – all seemingly in a good mood – and most with at least a drink or two too many already.
Walking into the tavern he spotted some good places where he would be able to spread the word about what was going on in the River Kingdoms. He even had a name for it – the Chronicler. This place deserved a story to be told.
On the opposite side of the bar be spotted Dieanira the bard of the lodge. What a great addition to the place – she really was good in uplifting the mood of the lodge. Not like her fighting prowess which still seemed to need some form of improvement. But you had to take your members as they came - with all good and bad characteristics.
Moving towards the bar he noticed that people stepped back and a sudden silence fell upon the tavern. Reaching the bar he noticed a delicate elven crystal glass with a green glowing liquid in it. He had heard about that famous drink – capable to fell the strongest of fighters it was said. It was called the Emerald Spirit
He discarded it as rumours – after all he had seen Thod down two glasses in quick succession as part of a dare – and he hadn’t noticed any ill effect on him.
Smiling he approached the bar and took the glass in his hand. Turning around to the assembled but quiet members of the lodge he held it high to give a toast and poured it down his throat.
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Fortitude Save 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (7) + 1 = 8
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He couldn’t remember what had happened next – apart of waking up with the worst headache of his life – hours later – and in his own bed. Maybe rumours that a watered down version of the drink was used in port cities to knock out innocent people and have them awake later on a slave galley wasn’t that far fetched at all.
Surely a drink he would not recommend to any visitor to try at the Spire’s Retreat. Rather a drink he should outlaw on safety and health grounds – alas the people in these lands seemed to react allergic to any laws restricting their freedom.
Theodum looked up from the paperwork. This had to stop. This had to stop NOW. All these expenses for coal, iron, weapons, armour. This was just wrong. He had founded this place for research - but Thod was perverting it into an army camp.
Yes - there were monsters around - and maybe not everyone close by was actually friendly - but this didn't mean that 99% of efforts had to go into building a local military.
The Emerald Lodge was peaceful - the Emerald Lodge was here to explore the Emerald Spire - not to compete with Golgotha or Brighthaven to compete for militaristic might.
Time to make an example. With this in mind he marched off to the Armour Smith.
Jazz - show me what you are working on. I'm very concerned in the costs you currently produce. Hm - one Dwarven Steel Banded - delivered to Baron already. A second one - already nearly finished - sized for Smendor. But I see you got from Thod the refined materials for a third one - and even refined materials for a fourth one are ordered. Are you aware what all of this costs us ???
I hereby conficate the third Dwarven Banded Steel Plate +1 in the name of the Lodge. You will carry on producing it as normal - but it won't be used any military purpose of the Emerald Lodge but rather sold off to the highest bidder to enable some spend on non militaristic uses here in town. And if Thod complains - send him to me. I can deal with him.
Theodum left the Smithy a lot happier as he had arrived. This deed was done. Now it was time to send a few letters out to other settlements to advertise that some armor of the highest quality was up for auction to the highest bidder.
It is just over a week when I did it the last time. So time to have a look again. There are well above 1000 characters now in 30 settlements. Brighthaven did grow massivly and they represnt nearly 20% of all characters.
Golgotha is healthy growing but couldn't keep pace and Paeros now also is above 100.
Big jumps in numbers are Forgeholm and Auroral. Some sign of life in Iron Gauntlet and Dagedai finally went up from a single member.
So 3 settlements >100
8 more > 50
12 more >30
15 more >20
10 more >10
Still 10 settlements <10
And 3 settlements still no signs of life at all
Freevale and Hammerfall lost members - albeit minimal. All other settlements above 10 members did grow.
The Emerald Lodge now has a growing US membership.
04-Feb
Brighthaven 217
Golgotha 152
Phaeros 102
Stoneroot Glade 77
Aragon 61
Ozem's Vigil 59
Emerald Lodge 54
Keeper's Pass 51
Callambea 48
Forgeholm 46
Auroral 36
Tavernhold 35
Talonguard 28
Canis Castrum 28
Sunholm 22
Blackwood Glade 13
Hammerfall 12
River Bank 11
Freevale 11
Deadman's Glen 11
Blackfeather Keep 9
Dagedai 8
Hope's End 7
Alderwag 7
Kreuz Bernstein 2
Blackwatch 2
Terra Firma 1
Iron Gauntlet 1
Hammerforge 1
Doomhammer 1
New Daggermark
Highroad
Guardheim
I guess Brighthaven couldn't have Golgotha ahead of them - or did they withdrew all spies back to home - well - they are ahead again.
Interesting that Ozem to Callambea was joined in numbers by Aragon and Emerald Lodge. You can assume I'm proud about that.
A lot of tower activity with Alderwag, Riverbank, Deadmans Glen and Bernstein. So at least some activity there.
Oh - and only now do I notice what happened to Guardheim. Thought my numbers are wrong - but Guardheim is leaderless again - see message here that I missed.
All in all 59 more members in the last 3 days. Brighthaven got nearly a third of them. Not sure if all 7 inguards are counted again.
Bonny did ask that we write up some of the history of our settlements. Having been a chronicler in the early stages of the landrush I felt it was time to return to the roots of Theodum. Yes - he is officially a PFS wizard 13 or 14 with one level of Chronicler and he gained the title of Venture Captain in the Eye of the 10.
I would urge others also to write somethin up. Bonnies message is here. You can even win a Limegreen Goblinsworks Drawsting Bag. Actually not sure why I advertise this as this gives others the chance to win it - and anyhow I expect it will go to Alirya - our tailor aka my daughter should we win.
I hope Brighthaven takes this writeup as what it is - a well meant bit of Emerald Lodge propaganda. I'm not claiming it is totally unbiased. Happy to read what happened from a different viewpoint.
For Harad and the Map project. Baron's Folly is in -01/08. I will do write ups for the Moonshine Mill and the Frozen Forge and will let you know where these are. They are 'towers' we took and I have everyone in the group defending Baron's Folly the option to choose a tower and to name it and to make a story around it - related to their character.
So I hope I will manage to get this done over the weekend.
The Chronicles of Theodum the Wise - Chronicler of the River Kingdoms - Wealday and Oathday 14th and 15th of Abadius in the year 4715 AR
The short time around the 14th and 15th of Abadius will forever be of high significance when future historians will research the rise and downfall of the kingdoms formed around the Emerald Spire. I'm priviledged not only to be a Pathfinder Chronicler but also to have first hand accounts of what happened on this crucial day and the diplomatic aftermath that followed.
The morning of Wealday will likely be forgotten by many soon. It was the start of the so called War of towers - a 'war' that in 100 years time will most likely be forgotten by all but some scholars.
The war of towers was initiated by Rhyn the prophet - or Rhyn the mad as he is also known. This was a testing ground for the strong, the mighty, the powerful - the deserving of the River Kingdoms to make a claim to areas they would like to control.
Having formed the Emerald Lodge for the Pathfinder Society this brutal competition that favoured the settlements with the largest armies was of a lot concern for the Lodge. Wedged between the mighty Brighthaven and the evil Golgotha the signs didn't bode well for the lodge in the competition for power and land.
A meeting with the worshipped ruler of Golgotha - Phyllain - had resulted in a truce and in some towers and places of interest that the lodge could claim for themselves. One of the towers offered was a derelict ruin - far to the east of the Emerald Lodge - a ruin not contested by Golgotha.
But if there ever was a poisoned chalice - this would count as one. It was clear from even a quick glimpse of the map that the ruin was outside the military power to hold by the lodge - and also that the mighty and shining Brighthaven would contest the place - albeit likely assuming that this would be a powerplay between them and their evil counterpart - Golgotha.
Counting a claim of 1 quarter of the ruin for the lodge - judged on distance - and given 2 more quarters by Golgotha and Bernstein - there was a good incentive to accept the poisoned chalice and just to prepare. As what danger is there truly in poison if you have magic to counteract it.
So first of all volunteers where needed. Baron - Master of arms of the lodge volunteered first to lead the expedition. Thod - gatherer and monster hunter of the lodge was next. Then Zaar Frozen Blade - the smelter of the lodge, Frazzlerunning, Pinki and Alirya - the tailor. Two more volunteers never arrived - and they lost their entry into the history books forever.
Early in the morning the group set out. To take the tower it was important to be first. Any militaristic engagement was expected to fail.
So Baron was leading his small group into the ruin - to claim it for the lodge. They started erecting the flag for the lodge when they saw two wanderers passing by. Undisturbed they worked on - only to find out that the two wanderers actually had been scouts belonging to Brighthaven - and they had brought reinfocements.
What followed is the reason it found an entry into the history books - as the heroic actions of the small group assembled around Baron laid the foundation for an Emerald Lodge not squeezed into a tiny area of land.
Overrun and undertrained the heroes of the lodge soon lay all on the ground - dead in their own blood - cut down by axe, sword and arrow. But so miracolous is this area that such a defeat doesn't last for long. Our sould have mercy if Pharasma ever asks us for the price.
Throwing themselves against the invaders they didn't achieve much - apart of needing the blessing of Pharasma multiple times.
Any sane general would have withdrawn his half trained troupes. But this is why the place has now become to be known as Baron's Folly. Undeterred he grouped his sorry troupe into one and started a last assault.
Taken by suprise of the sudden organisation - or just weak and tired - the group around Baron achieved the impossible - they turned the luck on the battlefield and for the first time it was the soldiers of Brighthaven which had been removed from the ruin again - all of them. And they didn't return.
Now if you think this would have been the end, then you know little how the River Kingdom work.
You have what you hold is a mighty motto - but it means you have to ensure to keep what you aquire - or you might as well lose it soon again.
A frentic second battle started - but this time it was the pen and diplomacy that fought against each other - a battle yours truly is much better suited for. Refusing to cede the ruin the next morning as a large contigent of Brighthaven troops stood ready to take it - there was the pen - the only weapon left - that could ensure to keep the tower.
Golgotha offered to defend the tower for the lodge - but you have to be careful when dealing with the devil. Sooner or later it will corrupt you. All these Hellknights might think they are in control - but someone more sane like me likely doesn't want to tempt fate.
So instead a frentic number of letters where send out from the lodge to other citizens of the River Kingdom - appealing to their opinion of the true ownership of the tower. There was even a collection for the heroes of the battle for coal and iron to be forged into weapons and armour.
I'm proud to tell that this led to several very generous donations - albeit donors wisely wanted to stay private - not to be drawn into the conflict.
The only group undeterred was Brighthaven. They still seemed of the - justifiable but ill-advised - opinion that the stronger one should get all the spoils. So with trepidation I made the pilgrimage up into the mountain to meet directly with the High Lords of Brighthaven. Oh - I took care to have sweets for the kids on the streets, smiles for the crafters in their workshops as you don't go into the mouth of a lion unprepared.
Two pieces of parchment I carried with me - one a declartion of war by Brighthaven against the Emerald Lodge - one a document to cede the ruin to the Emerald Lodge. Both I laid before the High Lords of Brighthaven - unwilling to leave until one of them got signed.
So on that day I risked all of the Lodge for a small ruin in the woods.
On that day the pen proofed mightier as the sword as I emerged with the parchment I wanted to be signed.
But on that day I also learned how foolish is was to stare the powerful in the eye with nothing in your defense as your pen. A sword easily cuts of your hand - and then - what would I be as a chronicler.
So the ruin got a name that day - Baron's folly - as it was as much a folly of myself as a folly of Baron to lead his unprepared troops to victory.
Writing this on Starday the 24th of Abadius we are still in the pocession of the ruin. We are also in posession of 12 other buildings - among them the Moonshine Mill, the Frozen Forge,
Thod's Mignight Vigil and the Lonely Wanderer. Several of the other buildings still need names - but it will be Baron's Folly that will be remembered in the history books.
If people haven't noticed. My favourite coal hunting ground no longer delivers coal. Tansy leaves are much less common and I find a lot more pine where there wasn't any.
Also some maple turned to oak.
I left out tower count this time. So what are the highlights.
Some 10% more characters in around 72 hours.
Golgotha has overtaken Brighthaven in total member count. Aragon is now ahead of Emerald Lodge but the gap towards the settlements ahead of Emerald Lodge has become smaller.
Alderwag and Kreuz Bernstein have now officially taken towers and Alderwag is now an official settlement. Riverbank has now some official members.
There is a company that sounds like it will be part of Terra Firma - I added a count of 1 to Terra Firma - Terra Australis Incognito.
This reduces the number of complete inactive settlements to 4 and the number of settlements that haven't taken towers to 10.
I like to keep am eye on the political landscape - just to avoid suprises. And being a data junky I have my various spreadsheets. But I thought some people like to know this data as well.
After week 1 there are still 12 settlements without towers and 6 without members. It could be 7 as I counted a company called Alderwag ... as officially Alderwag - it could be 4 as I read online that signs of activity have been seen in Riverbank and Terra Firma and it sometimes takes extra time to be official (like Aragon struggling for a few days).
There are a little bit over 200 more members in all the settlements. I guess there will be a hike once the window to accept growth to 24 (48?) hours. I surely missed a few members.
On top of membership are Brighthaven and Golgotha - followed by Phaeros. These are also the ones making the biggest noises here on the board or doing PvP.
Followed is the next block of 4 - the quite ones. Stoneroot Glade, Ozems Vigil, Keppers Pass (albeit they sometimes get dragged into hostilities due to their allies) and Callambea.
I try to steer Emerald Lodge a little bit out of the headlines - Aragon might enter them - and some further below like Forgeholm (can't ignore you every time) might be content to build up at their own pace.
Tier 2 gathering is now available - tier 2 refining should be immidiate. Haven't checked if a min-maxed char can do it already or not. Crafting will take a moment longer as you seldom can work with rank 7 refined items - but maybe I need to check what is available.
All in all - the game is developing. It is not a big explosion of players - but also no doom and gloom scenario.
edit: Tower numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt. They change a lot between Golgotha, Brighthaven and Phaeros.
We need a new motto - not 'You keep what you hold' but 'This is mine - until the next PvP window'. It is just not possible - memberwise and game wise - to truly defend all towers during your whole PvP window. How many are actually fought over and how many are just sneak camped I don't know.
It looks like 3 more settlement have left the status of complete inactivity:
Riverbank: No in game signs yet - but an announcement of the new leader (?) can be read here
River Bank Heads Up
Also Backlwatch and Deadmans Glen have both an assigned company and a char count of 2 each. No towers assigned to them yet - but this always takes a little bit longer.
The character count assigned to all settlements is up to 666 - an ominous sign.
There is also an Alderwag Harvest Ass. = but I can't tell if this ia a group belonging to Alderwag or a group trying to claim resources around Alderwag but otherwise independent.
The leader of Deadman's Glen should contact me if he can as we have a few towers around his settlement that seemed empty. My e-mail is in my profile.
With politics and the war of towers in full swing I thought I give a quick primer on the subtleties of claiming a tower.
The basic idea is simple - you have to amass the highest ranking claim and convince your opponent that your claim is more valid then theirs. But alas there is no such mechanic or fixed rule as the 1000 point mechanic - therefore claims will be refuted and wars will be fought. It would be sad if this wouldn't be the case as then we wouldn't have such a facinating game.
But I thought I best explain what I think constitutes a claim to a tower:
Basic claim types
a) Proximity - the closer the tower is to you, the stronger the claim
b) Force - the larger your troops the more you can claim
c) Negotiation - trading of claims with other settlements
d) Time - the longer you own a tower the stronger your claim
e) Public opinion - what do people think not belonging to your own group or opposing group whom the tower belongs to
Now lets look at these claims in more detail:
Proximity is a very strong claim type. Being the closest settlement will give you an automated claim on a tower. The NAP further strengthens this claim for the core 6 towers. This will give you an automatic strong claim d) as well. This claim gets weaker the further you get away. A conflict will always arise when a tower is the same distance. By definition this tower can never be claimed solely on the grounds of distance.
Force is second strong claim type. This is PvP - being the stronger party will give you the upper hand. The danger with this claim type is that it will nearly always affect claim type e) - the public opinion. Declaring war or being the defender can strengthen this claim - taking a tower by deception or agression will weaken it.
Negotiation is in principl a trading of claims. There seldom is a tower which you can claim 100%. Especially towers at borders might fall 50:50 towards two settlements. Negotiation can help to exchange part claims by ceding claims to one tower and strengthening them on another one.
Time - the longer you own a tower the stronger your claim becomes. This is why it was so important to take towers quickly on the first day of War of Towers. This advantage is now gone - I doubt there is a single unclaimed tower outside the core 6 left. This also means you want to keep towers you currently own as each tower you lose will reset the timer.
Public opinion - in most cases there will be 2 parties who dispute a tower. But there are other players who will keenly watch, cheer you own or claim foul play. Public opinion will seldom be the overriding force and it is fickle and changes with time. Public opinion most likely will lead to a temporary ceding of claim but as you need to convince you opponent of the rightousness of your claim you build up problems for the future.
Now there are multiple ways to weaken the claim of an opponent or to strengthen your own. If I get time, I will go into more detail and might even give a few examples.
I will be AFK for a while now - great sunshine outside. But that won't prevent me from working on ways to solidify our hold on the towers we currently own. Or thinking about a follow up to this thread.
Please let me know if there is an important category that I missed out or where you agree and disagree.
When it comes to modifiers that affect weapon damage rolls, or simply “damage rolls” (such as the bonus on damage rolls from Point-Blank Shot, inspire courage, and smite evil), special abilities that deal damage on a successful attack roll, apply them on hit point damage only...
I feel like meaningfully interacting with the world outside the context of combat shouldn't really require anything beyond "talking to NPCs" and "making choices about how one course of action is preferable to another."
Amen to that.
I am now wondering quite how atypical my player group is, in that so much of this argument feels like "Player A can do X and Y and Z and player B can only do W and that makes the game broken and less fun", while mine very much start from the position "We can do X and Y and Z and W, how best can we synergise this to achieve the campaign goals in a fun way." And sure, there are games that may more naturally tend to the latter direction than Pathfinder necessarily does, but there's only so much Pandemic Legacy in existence.
A point of the Disparity argument is Player 1 can do X Y Z and W while player 2 can only do W.
Basically the claim is player 2 is sort of redundant and unnecessary / adds nothing new to the parties abilities.
Except for the part where the spell explicitly denotes Scrying (including a hyperlink) as being sufficient to teleport (with a ~25% chance of error).
Teleport wrote:
Familiarity: “Very familiar” is a place where you have been very often and where you feel at home. “Studied carefully” is a place you know well, either because you can currently physically see it or you’ve been there often. “Seen casually” is a place that you have seen more than once but with which you are not very familiar. “Viewed once” is a place that you have seen once, possibly using magic such as scrying.
It's not a misunderstanding. It's them trying to nerf the tactic without having to do a reprint.
It may be an uncommon opinion....but I don't see anything that needs to be fixed.
A high level caster is supposed to be more powerful than a melee character. It's a fundamental part of a fantasy setting.
I agree.
To my mind comparing casters and fighters is like comparing apples and oranges. I think it's more important to ensure that the various fighter classes are in balance with each other. And that the spellcasting classes are in balance with each other.
Then Why is a 20th level caster and a 20th level fighter the same CR? the System assumes they are the same (or near equivalent) challenge rating.
If this is not the case (which it is) then something is most definitely broken.
1) Caustic eruption is blocked by neither spell-bane nor anti-magic field as it is an instantaneous conjuration creation effect, it's real acid.
2) The Archon's do enough damage in 1 round to instantly kill the dragon on account of there being 120 of them.
3) Wall of suppression can suppress an anti-magic field and or spell-bane so long as their caster levels are lower or equal to that of the casters. Unless said spell-bane is key'd to wall of suppression at which point it must be first brought down with another spell-bane
The short of it is their utility and adaptability is unmatched and they can theoretically have an answer to literally any problem you present them with.
Also there are several spells which are so powerful that an adventures needs to plan around their existence them or be ruined
This is flatly and objectively untrue. You get experience for overcoming challenges. Period. Nothing about killing or violence at all. It is indisputably possible to achieve 20th level entirely by social interaction and persuasion.
That's not very likely for PCs, but that's an artifact of the players and GMs wanting to use the game's well developed combat system not...
The game explicitly outlines that you are expected to be mainly participating in combat as per the CRB. Yes you CAN do it through other means but the game does not expect that or set that expectation with it's rules and systems but it's very explicit that the game is a combat centric monster blender.
Gamemastering wrote:
The heart of any adventure is its encounters. An encounter is any event that puts a specific problem before the PCs that they must solve. Most encounters present combat with monsters or hostile NPCs, but there are many other types—a trapped corridor, a political interaction with a suspicious king, a dangerous passage over a rickety rope bridge, an awkward argument with a friendly NPC who suspects a PC has betrayed him, or anything that adds drama to the game. Brain-teasing puzzles, roleplaying challenges, and skill checks are all classic methods for resolving encounters, but the most complex encounters to build are the most common ones—combat encounters.
Ending the life of some sentient creature is never a good act. It is often an evil act, especially if done through malicious intent. The can be through means as simple as petty blood lust, convenience (as in a disregard for their life), or as an act of revenge.
Ending someone's life can be a non-evil act (as in neutral, never good) when it is done in defense of self (or others) or through carrying out a sentence (whether lawfully or not) based on the creature's past actions.
Now, to clarify. I believe that ending a life is NEVER a GOOD thing. At best, it can be neutral on that good/evil axis. Whether or not it is justified by law or chaos is heavily dependent on the circumstances leading up to the action. Ending the life of the big bad villain is not a GOOD thing, but the act of protecting all those he might further harm is a GOOD thing. Fighting the good fight is a GOOD thing. The trail of bodies that you have left in your wake, through no malicious intent of your own, is NOT a GOOD thing.
So, terminating the life of your prisoner after interrogation is not a GOOD thing. It might even have been evil if you had promised no harm to him if he did surrender (definitely evil).
Killing Demons is a Good Act on the Good/Evil Axis.
The Moral stance that killing is bad doesn't nessecarily carry over to the cosmic reality present in Pathifnder. If generally you kill a [Evil] creature it's a [Good] act (with some exceptions like torture / grotesque execution).
There's a LG god who explicitly says to take no prisoners except when it's strategically advantageous to do so.
Torag wrote:
Against my people’s enemies, I will show no mercy. I will not allow their surrender, except when strategy warrants. I will defeat them, yet even in the direst struggle, I will act in a way that brings honor to Torag.
Honorably executing a prisoner after plying them for information can be totally permissible (and a [Good]) act.
I find it easier if you decouple morality from good and Evil Axis' and assume they are objective forces / teams in the universe (because they are in pathfinder).
So you delineate between cosmic [Good] and [Evil] and moral good and evil. I.e Killing a Good creature is Evil and killing an Evil Creature is Good. The nature of the kill might be evil by moral standards but is objectively [Good] by cosmic standards. Ideally the way you kill aligns with both the cosmic and the moral but that is not always possible or feasible. But so long as you are adhering to the cosmic [Good] you don't actually suffer a mechanical penalty.
That way you almost totally avoid situations like this. And I personally think it's necessary as they game is about killing (usually evil) things so such an act shouldn't cause undue mechanical strife.
Also just because it is a cosmically [Good] act doesn't mean you wouldn't suffer legal repercussions from mortal justice systems like how Deadmanwalking described.
I tend to agree Nocticula is probably the strongest after old Knobby legs, although Charon could also probably aquaire similar gear making his DC somewhere around 43-45 for you to loose your mind and then your youth in two attacks which is pretty scary.
I don't see Cthulhu gearing up however xD
How in 4 pages of posts has the Zygomind not been mentioned yet? It's an entire campaign hook in itself even if you discount the fact that it's a walking existential crisis.
Erm,
Tacticslion, earlier this page wrote:
I find the zygomind similarly horrifying.
:I
EDIT: I mean, it was, like, the second post. XD
My bad. I Searched "Zygomind" but it came up with no result's. I assumed they were accurate >.>
How in 4 pages of posts has the Zygomind not been mentioned yet? It's an entire campaign hook in itself even if you discount the fact that it's a walking existential crisis.
Baba Yaga too. The 'monster' that can literally be justified in doing anything as she can craft artifacts and spells and even Demon lords on a whim.
If a blind creature can pop images then the spell effectively just grant's 50% concealment until N near misses have been achieved as any attacker can close their eyes to go from a 1 in 8 to 1 in 2 chance of hitting while also chipping away at the images.
So i'm in the no you can't break images while blind camp.
Antipaladin, with ghost touch weapon i presume, following up on Mysterious Stranger's post?
Or did you have another means for one to be effective?
Aura of Cowardice to impose a -4 on saves vs. fear effects and suppress fear immunity. Channel Energy, possibly with Command Undead. Cruelties for imposing status effects with Touch of Corruption. Fiendish Boon. Smite Good ("Regardless of the target, smite good attacks automatically bypass any DR the creature might possess;" even against neutral and evil opponents, this is useful). Touch of Corruption for damaging living creatures (possibly with a conductive ghost touch weapon) and self healing (undead). Unholy Resilience to add Cha bonus to all saves.
Smite Good Wrote wrote:
If the antipaladin targets a creature that is not good, the smite is wasted with no effect.
I don't think smite good works on no good creatures
Has anyone brought up Inflict Pain, Mass yet? Sure, it allows a save, but that's one full round of the party taking a -4 to very important rolls. Time that with all the great save or suck spells previously mentioned by others and it raises the probability of them landing by quite a bit.
Also Terrible Remorse on the low Will Save melee so they keep hitting themselves, not the enemy. Bonus points for making it Persistent (metamagic).
Make sure the pain strike is being cast by a mythic Lich as Mythic Saving throws (Ex) will make it ineffective otherwise
Problem with the medium is largely that it relies on GM permission to actually channel the spirit you want with alarming regularity. If the PCs are traveling cross country on horseback and decide to camp for the night in a clearing hundreds of miles from civilization, you're basically reliant on "there's a sacred grove near here" or "there was a battle fought here" else you can't access the majority of your class features.
Certainly the GM should cooperate, but I'm sure we've all known times where the GM was uncooperative.
True even with the FAQ
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As the class says, you can channel from any appropriate location, and the favored locations are just a place to start. There might be times where you don’t have access to all six legends, but a medium, either PC or NPC, should generally be able to access a legend if they can come up with a good conceptual tie between the legend and a location he can find or even set up himself. For instance, a medium could go hunt a deer and then use that location to channel a champion spirit of a legendary hunter.
You're still at the GM's mercy if you want to channel a specific spirit especially if you are pressed for time.
Basically you just need to get a link to thee highest level folder of the documents and all of that folders contents will have the permissions of the link.
in my example link there should be 2 files in the main folder and a sub folder containing another file. I only had to hit "Share" on the uppermost folder (named "Kirthfinder test")
Wall of Suppression Cast at CL-1 , this works a lot better if the Enemy in question is of a higher Caster level than the party possibly using prayer beads / orange ioun stones.
This could also be achieved via VMC Witch using the coven hex to increase caster level by enough to beat the parties CL threshold
Then just cast whatever other spell combinations were proposed as they will have no magical items, spells or abilities with which to retaliate outside of artifacts.
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If the Liches in question are mythic then Mythic magic missile With meta magic would actually be my call. Maximized and augmented that's 90 damage per Lich that cannot be avoided in any way (810 across 90 missiles) and then you could add an additional 30 per Lich with quicken for a grand total of 1080 Damage Which can be subdivided as you wish.
obviously this number can be a lot higher but i'm lazy
I just see it as another debuff where the fix happens to be a [Good] descriptor spell. In the same way remove disease or Cure light wounds is the answer to disease or hit point damage.
Rules of the universe and all that.
Also if you want a vicious non evil spell... boneshatter. Literally it's only purpose is to splinter a creatures bones and causes enough horrible pain to exhaust you (-6 str and con).
Although the Dawnflower is the goddess of healing and redemption, she is not a goddess of peace, and her followers are taught that combat may be the only way to ensure the safety of those who look to the faith for protection. In such situations, the faithful of Sarenrae are expected to end combat swiftly and efficiently, to avoid drawing out the pain and agony of battle. When one can end a battle without resorting to killing, the opportunity for redemption of the defeated foe still remains. The pages of Dawnflower’s Mercies teach methods by which those who serve Sarenrae as soldiers can vanquish enemies in combat without killing them, and encourage those who follow the teachings held within to offer those they take prisoner the chance to be welcomed into Sarenrae’s arms.
I will protect my allies with my life. They are my light and my strength, as I am their light and their strength. We rise together.
I will seek out and destroy the spawn of the Rough Beast. If I cannot defeat them, I will give my life trying. If my life would be wasted in the attempt, I will find allies. If any fall because of my inaction, their deaths lie upon my soul, and I will atone for each.
I am fair to others. I expect nothing for myself but that which I need to survive.
The best battle is a battle I win. If I die, I can no longer fight. I will fight fairly when the fight is fair, and I will strike quickly and without mercy when it is not.
I will redeem the ignorant with my words and my actions. If they will not turn toward the light, I will redeem them by the sword.
I will not abide evil, and will combat it with steel when words are not enough. I do not flinch from my faith, and do not fear embarrassment. My soul cannot be bought for all the stars in the sky.
I will show the less fortunate the light of the Dawnflower. I will live my life as her mortal blade, shining with the light of truth.
Each day is another step toward perfection. I will not turn back into the dark.
Im breaking and entering into their lair it's hardly self defense. And breaking and entering into monster lairs is already OK for lawful good characters to do, in fact they are expect to.
That falls into stopping them from committing further evil acts.
Breaking into a monster lair (read dungeon) is not an evil act. Otherwise the Paladin would not be a Class.
Im breaking and entering into their lair it's hardly self defense. And breaking and entering into monster lairs is already OK for lawful good characters to do, in fact they are expect to.
So according to Lizard-folk Cannibalism (defined as consuming a sentient being) for pragmatic purposes is ok.
Cook people state's it's explicitly an evil act to use the hex.
I don't take this as something that can be generalized to "all cannibalism is inherently/automatically an evil act"
Given that precedent for it not not being so exists. And if cook people wanted it to be a generalism then it would say "knowingly Consuming sentient beings is always an evil act" or something to that effect.
Wearing the skin of sentient things / crafting trophies out of their flesh are also non-aligned actions (Dragonhide, monstercrafting).
Presumably tearing chunks out of an enemy's flesh with our teethe /claws (bite attacks) are not inherently evil acts as you can be a Good aligned druid / natural attacker.
I believe tearing out a slain foes heart and destroying it to prevent resurrection is at worse pragmatic and not an evil act.
So why is consuming the heart of an evil monstrous enemy that you will be killing regardless in order to prevent yourself from becoming an evil monstrous enemy an evil act? It's at worse pragmatic which is already established as a non-evil form of cannibalism.
At the very least spilling the blood of monsters is a legitimate and morally safe way of unlocking higher orders of power for lawful good characters. I don't know about literally powering their healing (that was hyperbole / jest )
don't get it what's the evil act? The Heart ripper blade isn't an evil evil nor is using it (unless such text is missing from it's pfsrd description).
You're just killing a evil creature (presumably as the subject of the CDG is going to be a monster in the dungeon) to benefit yourself. How is that any different then killing monsters for their experience or their loot? You know the core premise of the game.
Well, depends on the interpretation. The description uses words like "baleful" and "blasphemous", which are terms you normally not use in a non-evil context. Also it grants those powers "when used in bloody sacrifice". So even when it is possible by RAW, it's obvious that it isn't intended to be used as a simple +1 weapon in combat or for animal sacrifices.
So we're not talking about hunting animals here. We're talking about hunting sentient humanoid beings with the express purpose to murder them in cold blood (you can't even kill them simply in combat, you have to make them helpless before so as to be able to do a CDG. And all that to eat their still-beating heart to save yourself (and we're not talking self-defense here).
So if you you want to tell me that a lawful good character can do all this with no consequences (because, you know, the core premise of the game), then we have very different perspectives on what the core premise of the game is (little hint: to me, it's not: "Kick in the door, kill the monsters and loot the treasure.")
A lawful good character can kill evil creatures without repercussion, yes. They can also take all their things without repercussion. At least moral repercussion.
At least one guaranteed repercussion is that you get better at killing evil creatures (and creatures in general but for this example the party is good aligned) via additional powers and abilities and loot. The majority of which designed to kill, and subdue threats with violence and force.
I reject the premise that that's not the core game-play that's Incentivized by the Pathfidner system.
Anyways back to the dagger:
The dagger makes no mention of sentient beings
The dagger makes no mention of humanoid beings
Coup de Gracing a helpless foe is not an evil act
The healing ability does not include the words blasphemous
As previously pointed out by others sacrifice does not mean evil
And also killing monsters is not an evil act especially if done for the purpose of preserving a life of a good creature.
So i see no reason why using it to heal should be an issue.
Question is using Dragonhide armor also evil? It's the fashioned skin of a once sentient creature after all.
I don't get it what's the evil act? The Heart ripper blade isn't an evil evil nor is using it (unless such text is missing from it's pfsrd description).
You're just killing a evil creature (presumably as the subject of the CDG is going to be a monster in the dungeon) to benefit yourself. How is that any different then killing monsters for their experience or their loot? You know the core premise of the game.
Looking at this picture. I'd guess about 25 feet from the rightmost corner of the middle platform.
I got to this number by measuring the height of one of the people in pixels (~30 px) and then measuring the distance in pixels (~144 px). Assuming the person i measured was a human female of average height I got 25 Feet 6 Inches. So It's probably somewhere in that ballpark.
I like Hero points for when i don't want PC's to die. If you hand them out liberally enough it's effectively the same thing, but if they're constantly putting themselves in danger their pool will run dry.
As a DM, I'm able to provide a clear storyline for the players to follow, but also allow them to go off in different directions if that's what they want to do.
Same here.
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I'm aware it's strictly a matter of personal preference, but that's exactly the sort of campaign I find to be enjoyable as a player -- where I get to use my brain for strategy in the game, instead of mindlessly rolling dice. If the DM insists I "stop over-thinking things and follow the story!!!" -- that's when I find a different game.
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And I hate metagaming: "to go somewhere else and gain more power (and HP)" as Megistone put it, is something you do in a computer game, not in a tabletop RPG. So in my games, if players try something like this they can be sure that the wizard will do the same in the meantime, will simply vanish or worse, will already have gone through with whatever threat the PCs wanted to stop. What the wizard certainly won't do is sit and wait for them to return 5 levels later.
Apart from that, the problem with doing the research is that you get your information from the GM and remember, in that example, that is the guy that isn't even aware that the wizard is too strong for the group. So what the PCs will hear is "yeah,you can beat him" only to find out that the GM "lied" to them the hard way. For some reason I don't think that the players will appreciate the GM saying: "yeah sorry, my fault, but you'd better roll new characters nonetheless.
Not fighting the Lich at level 1 and doing other things to level up is a totally reasonable course of action (an extreme example). Personally I'd hardly call wanting to get more powerful so you're better equipped to fight a powerful foe meta-gaming.
As that band /power gap closes it becomes a cost benefit analysis of maximizing your potential for victory weighed against possible drawbacks (like waiting too long and his evil plan has come to fruition). Which is part of the fun for a lot of people as that's another tactic / strategy that needs consideration.
If your research about the wizard results in "you can beat him" then that's a failure on the players end as well for not asking the right questions. "What spells does he favor?", "How many minions does he have?", "Is there a time of day / place we could potentially ambush him", "Do we know where he keeps his spellbook" etc. Obviously there's potential for error as everyone's human and sometimes it happens. At which point you talk about it and figure out if you re-roll or ret-con or whatever.
Also the game has systems for determining what that dice result means. It doesn't have systems for who the murderer is and whatnot.
Given that the assumption is that you are using the games systems (this is implicit by playing the game unless stated otherwise) some people might take offense to the integrity of those systems being ignored, altered or otherwise subverted.
I feel like the stance on dice is rather implicit based on the "all rules are optional rules".
Assuming you and your groups are all of, or OK with that mindset I would wager the chances of you encountering a player who takes issue with the altering of roll extremely small. So it makes sense that it never really comes up.
If you need to fudge things to tell a better story, don't let on that you're doing it. Telling the players how you went easy on them, takes away from the story, IMHO.
'you' being a general-ism and not PCScipio specifically.
If you aren't going to say when you cheat on things that's only alright in my opinion if you have also disclosed that it may occur and people are OK with that. If you don't then it's much much worse as now you're lying.
That just seems like a case of over engineering the problem. You just ban the spell / feat / option instead of adding a contrived set of mechanics to make it impossible to acquire said spell / feat / option.
