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ran into this thing while playing Iron gods tonight ...
whats the deal with the DC on the aura ... DC 27 what (Fort reflex will)
and what does the save for the aura actually do ... since the ability tied to the aura seems to indicate that the save listed in the aura
so I ran this at APcon ... and over the last 24 hours I have been scouring this scenario Hoping I did something Wrong
Reguarding the 2nd PA point
am I correct that the ONLY Hint about the Loyalist Propaganda is dutring the Argument with Olandil and Poppo when poppo Says The Following ?
Poppo says, “One word of warning! Once you leave here, the
I have scoured this from 1 end to the other and the above is the ONLY mention that something Might happen ... and whats sad is even the Summary seems to support it
If the PCs succeed, every faction except the Loyalists also agrees to help the PCs counteract the loyalist’s anti-Pathfider propaganda, while the Loyalists assure the PCs that they will not produce such propaganda in the fist place, and give the PCs a chance to question Olandil.
Nothing is mentioned at the start in the briefing or knowledge checks... Nothing is mentioned (or available) from
The information broker
am I missing something ?
so before I begin I want to make it clear that while this is NOT a request for any particular retraining .. but more about procedure and clarification on how to do it - I have also asked this question in the past but to no answer
Mike Brock Responded to a thread here
again ... this is NOT questioning this decision and I would have responded there but it seems that the thread was locked before I got to it (at least it seems locked since I cannot respond)
Mike Brock wrote:
cool thats the Ruling .. the last part tho makes me ask the question ------ how is this done
the retraining Rules State - Quoted from SRD due to ease of text copy / paste
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
now when you get deeper into this you have to take a look at how Alternate Classes are worded
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
as far as I can tell Class retraining is done 1 at a time not in bulk and also from Highest level to lowest so the question of procedure becomes important
so a Ninja 6 Wanting to retrain into Rogue would have to go by Steps (theoretically)
so the particular questions are
A) is Retraining done in Bulk Rather than 1 Item at a time
there are probably another few that I could tack onto this but they arent coming to mind
the FLGS I have been playing at recently has started quoting a rule change on AE Spells from players with other players in the Area
the rule they are quoting is that it cannot be done - Period - Regardless of if the other players consent or not -and presumably regardless of weather the attack would actually kill the PC
this also came up last week while spending a standard action to Wake a PC that was under the effect of Deep Slumber I was asked "Would this fall under hurting another PC?"
ok ... sure if such a rule exists Im all for it.
only 1 problem - I cannot Find it in the PFSOPG, the only rule is
In short, you can never voluntarily use your character to kill another character—ever.
again if there is a rules change then fine - but Id just like to see a source, I can think of 1 situation off the top of my head where this kind of Ruling would be more harm than good - Swarms
Edit ---edited for format and examples
now I have no Issues with Save or Suck spells but this one gives me some pause especially within a PFS Setting
ran into a player with this spell the other day when I was running a new season 6
this particular scenario the BBEG was a "Fight till the death" in a relativly enclosed space ,and had me call the fight as soon as the spell landed and the BBEG Failed the save
1 day/ level on a lvl 3 spell that causes the target to be nauseated when within 60 feet of the designated creature is a bit overpowered
My main curiosity is if anyone else has had issues with this particular spell
so 1st off this is a PFS Character
tonight I was examining the possibility of retraining my Life Oracle into a Spirit Guide Oracle when I ran into something
Note - Lots of Rules will be quoted and I'll be using the SRD for easy quoting
the point of question is the Following
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
At 3rd level, a spirit guide can form a temporary bond with a spirit, as the shaman's wandering spirit class feature. She must make this selection each day when she refreshes her spells. A spirit guide cannot bond with a spirit that is incompatible with her alignment, ethos, or mystery (GM's discretion).
so Lets Take a look at the spirit text from Shaman(yes I realize that the Shaman doesn't gain the spirit ability but for this question I believe it becomes Relavent)
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
At 4th level, a shaman can form a temporary bond with a spirit other than the one selected using her spirit class feature. She must make this selection each day when preparing her spells. While this feature is active, she gains the spirit ability granted by the spirit. She also adds the spells granted by that spirit to her list of spells that she can cast using spirit magic. She does not add the hexes from her wandering spirit to her list of hexes that she can choose from with the hex class feature. At 12th level, she gains the abilities listed in the greater version of her wandering spirit. At 20th level, she gains the ability listed in the true version of her wandering spirit.
so the Question is - based on the Following lines of text - can a Spirit Guide Life Oracle take the Life Wandering Spirit as so many have suggested for this Archtype
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
If the shaman takes levels in another class that grants a mystery (such as the oracle), the spirit and mystery must match, even if that means one of them must change. Subject to GM discretion, the shaman can change her former mystery or spirit to make them conform.
Pathfinder SRD wrote:
At 4th level, a shaman can form a temporary bond with a spirit other than the one selected using her spirit class feature
Or because an Oracle does not gain the Spirit feature do they ignore it
My Gut is they Could not since the mystery must match the spirit .. and the wandering says a spirit Other than that chosen by the spirit (that must match the mystery)
Edit - cleaned up some useless text
Kitsune feats Fox Shape, Swift kitsune shapechanger and vulpine pounce from Dragon empires primer have a little header at the top that say
a Kitsune may select from the followwing feats any time she would gain a feat
the 1st 2 are where the question is since the 3rd has the combat descriptor
would a kitsune fighter who gains a bonus combat feat at 6th be able to choose Swift Kitsune Shapechanger even tho its not a combat feat ?
I'm thinking yes ... but Im just wanting to confirm
I ran a table of bonekeep 1 back in June, During a Local event over the weekend I had one of my players from that table approach me with a question I did not know the answer to -
During part 1 I inflicted his PC with one of the 3 diseases (dont remember which) - his PC at the time was a level 3 Monk, since then he has leveled up to lvl 7 (IIRC) - at level 5 Monks gain the following--
Purity of Body (Ex)
At 5th level, a monk gains immunity to all diseases, including supernatural and magical diseases.
so how exactly does that work, when he leaves Bonekeep the disease vanishes -- that part is Clear Cut
but upon Reentering it comes back Also --clear Cut
however now hes immune
My Gut tells me to side with the player on this one and hed get a "Free Removal" of the disease due to class ability but my gut also says "Thats too easy"
Pretty sure I know the answer to this but just want to confirm
spells found in a spell/formulae book during a scenario / module that are not legal for PFS play ---
and can be considered to "Magically" Vanish from the book in which they are found in
am I correct in this ?
had a player come up with a hypothetical situation using Magic Jar the other day and completely stumped me
the Situation is this
Player 1 playes a Str / Con Melee Type
both players are Family members / Roomates
Player 1 encounters a Situation and has to leave halfway through the Scenario
Player 2 Chooses to Cast Magic Jar - taking over player 1's body - while placing his own body into a bag of holding
I know that the answer I SHOULD give him is that player 1 only gets partial credit etc ... but the argument is Compelling for both players getting full credit
Player 1's Body is at Risk as is Player 2 ...
has anyone else had this come up before and if so how did you habdle it ...
this is more of a pre-emptive question since I am Fairly sure its going to come up
I have a character in Eyes of the Ten ATM - after finishing Part 2 I would like to do some retraining of class levels
Calculations and everything are done and I know what my costs are (2600 gp and 20 PA) and I do own Ultimate Campaign
whats going to come up is that since its an "Arc" and the character is "Locked in" I have a feeling my GM is going to tell me I cant do it based on "not leaving the Area"
we've already been Denied Day Job Rolls because of those same reasons
This is an online Game for what its Worth
Typically Scenarios that say there is a penalty for doing something actively say it (See Two Season 3 Arcs inside the Tapestry)
my question is - is there anything Stopping me from doing all of this
Saw today that we have scenarios announced through till Late March
one that I was suprised not to see was the Season 5 EX
granted I know nothing about it but Curiosity strains me to ask when we should expect to see it announced or better yet a round abouts as to when we should expect to see it available for 4 and 5 star GM's
Had a player ask me a question today about Slow track and how some things work
the situation that was brought up was a PC 2 or 2.5xp on Slow Track and running an adventure path or Module which Would Grant 1.5 XP on Slow Track
what happens ?
the XP would Crest obviously but would the player be Stuck on Slow track ? or could they choose normal once they leveled ...
I just noticed this and felt that maybe it was an oversight in the season 5 Organized play Document
under Gamemaster Rewards it says
Organized play guide wrote:
then goes on tot alk about Day jobs
now ... what I was wondering is about things in season 5 that show specific Factions (e.g. Stolen Heir has one for Taldor and one for Andoran)
this is where I think the potential Oversight happened .. based on the way the guide to OP is written ..a GM could apply the Scenarios Chronicle to a Cheliax PC and gain Both boons ...
am I correct in my belief that this was not intended ?
I have been under the assumption that the paragraph from pg. 219 CRB that states
In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of
is 100% RAW and Viable ... however .. when I was in a game today I started having second thoughts ... I don't want to jump into anything illegal so I'm hoping someone from campaign staff can answer this for me
is purchasing Access to an NPC's spellbook for 1/2 ink Cost and then scribing it to your own spellbook for Ink Cost legal... I have looked through the Organized play guide .. and I SWEAR I found it once ... but I now cant find it
in the CRB under Strand of Prayer Beads (Standard) it Lists a price of 45,800
then farther down in the description it Lists Cost Modifiers if Beads are Missing
bead of blessing –600 gp,
the question I have is this:
is it Legal to buy one of these with a Missing Bead (Summons for instance)
this isnt a caster level issue ... its a listed option in the CRB ... thats why Im asking
First off Animal Companions are so far out of my Comfort Zone on how to build them effectivly ... Ive searched for information on it but my search Fu is weak.. found 1 Thread based on a level 5 Deinonychus but that was as close as I could come
2nd off this is PFS Character
I know about the Imp Unarmed Strike ,Dragon style, and Improved Natural attack Feats
my Issue is Skills, Tricks, and purposes as well as some mechanical issues with feat placment
Ive gotten that Acrobatics is the big skill I want to work on but is that it ?
Tricks are a bit more problematic ... I know I need Attack twice but what else
this is what I have thus far
Deinonychus Companion level 1
Max tricks at lvl 1: 7 6 from Int + Bonus
The Mechanical issue Im Having is with getting Imp unarmed and dragon style Since the AC has to be 4th lvl before it gets its int boost (required for any feats outside of animal) and Imp Natural attacks landing at lvl 8 due to BAB, if you release the animal and gain new one are you just assuming that the new AC Started with an Int of 3 and build it from there ?
in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide there is a Vaity Called Caravan which has been discussed on the boards briefly before
my quesion is about when it says "When you first purchase your caravan,
and then below that are listed 3 options Diplomacy, Bluff, Intimidate
I just want to confirm weather the intent of this Vanity is to be only those 3 options ... or if other Options could be included ...
basically I have a PC Im looking for a way to use Sense Motive as a Day Job check and was wondering if Caravan would allow for that
FWIW I dont think it will .. Im just covering my bases
ok before I get started ... yes I know I must own the resources in question ... thats neither here no there .. my question is on Procedure and the below example can be extrapelated to any other summons
I have a cleric of Erastil (Currently level 2)
Celestial Elk for Summon Monster / Natures Ally II
I do not have a tablet the closest I have is a Cell Phone(I have a Laptop but if I don't have a plug its nothing but a paperweight)
if I Load the bestiaries into my cellphone (the watermark may be tough to see tho as I haven't tried this yet)to prove Ownership ... show the Kingmaker book am I then able to use a Herolab / SRD printout etc. for the creatures statblock - as opposed to figuring it out on the fly
this can also go for any summoned monster that one may summon
I only ask the question because the celestial elk is the 1st one I'll be able to summon
in PFS there is at least 1 Scenario that I know of that you can aquire access to an Unholy Scythe .. and this enchantment has been deemed "Not Legal" in PFS (as far as I know Chronicles overwrite this)
I'll use that as the example here. No I dont actually want the weapon
lets say I have gone through that scenario with a character that Wont take negative levels for using it and gain Access to that Weapon
since (IIRC) I have not seen any scenarios that give access to just an Enchantment ... would I therefore have access to the enchantment on any weapon I should choose ? or would it be just that particular weapon
same question would go for the Teir 4-5 with the flaming burst weapon
I have a character that is Currently Ninja 5 / Fighter 2
through playing the character I have come to realize how bad I am missing not having Trapfinding and Evasion and really all I am using Regularly from Ninja is Vanishing Trick
I know I could take a combination of classes that would allow me to gain these abilities (Monk 2 Ranger - Trapper 1 for example)
the other thought is Retraining and I'm not really sure if I can pull this off
Ultimate Campaign wrote:
now what I am thinking of is Retraining from Ninja to Rogue ... but the wording says "the highest level you have in that class" and the word "Immediatly" and since I cant have both Ninja and Rogue this presents a Problem in the RAW
then there is the Class Synergy ... and the fact that there is no mention of Alternate classes on the list (on either side) and it would stand to reason that a Ninja would Synergyze with a rogue .. and a samurai with a cavalier
so my question boils down to how do I do this
A) Pay the class Synergy cost (5 days) and retrain the batch (25 days)
B) Pay the 7 days and retain the batch (35 days)
C) would involve spending 25 PA into another class ... and then another 25 into a rogue - which works by the rules but I will never have the PA to do it based on the scaling cost (it also seems excessive to do it that way since it almost seems like a double penalty)
D) would follow the Archtype Retraining : which again seems Excessive because that's the exact reason why alternate classes were made (not quite a class but more than an archtype)
forgive me if Ive missed the answer somewhere but -
part of the boon States that
---you may change from <Insert Faction here> to a new faction without spending Prestige Points or losing any faction-specific Prestige Awards.
I remember somewhere something about faction Traits ... but cant find it now ... do we keep them ... or do we have to change them out ?
in the description of animal companions it says
Animal companions with an Intelligence of 3 or higher can select any feat they are physically capable of using. GMs might expand this list to include feats from other sources
my question is ... do animal companions ignore racial requirements on feats ...
e.g. Badger taking amplify rage (Orc, Half-Orc requirement)
Running a scenario on wednesday that has an automatic reset incendiary cloud trap that SHOULD trigger 5 times before the PC's can get out
that description alonw should tell some of you what this is
Im looking at this and the math gets kind of staggering
1st trigger - 6d6 damage
2nd trigger - 6d6 damage +6d6 damage(Duration)
3rd Trigger - 6d6 damage +12d6 damage(Duration)
4th Triger - 6d6 damage +18d6 damage(Duration)
5th Trigger - 6d6 damage +24d6 damage(Duration)
reflex save for 1/2
am I looking at this right ... or do multiple cloud spells in the same area not stack and if so ... what page # is that on
so I have a character that got the ban hammer back in August ... and its been collecting dust for a while .... I still havent played it so I have rebuild options still
I rebuilt it once and tested it in an non PFS Game ... unfortunatly I really felt like a Dalek (EXTERMINATE !!) so I scrapped the Idea for the most part -----this is currently an 8th level character
during a discussion at Dennys with some friends the following Idea was explored
I know what your thinking ... OMFG this is a mutt !!!
the Idea behind this build is to synergize everything to a druids animal companion as well as Wildshape / rage
the build goes as follows
Berserker of the Society (+3 rounds of rage)
lvl 1 Barbarian(1)
lvl 2 Fighter(1)
lvl 3 Druid(1)
lvl 4 Inquisitor (1)
lvl 5 Druid (2)
lvl 6 Inquisitor(2)
lvl 7 Druid(3)
lvl 8 Inquisitor(3)
lvl 9 Druid(4)
the reason for the badger animal companion is for the amplified rage teamwork feat (with Solo tactics)making Rounds of rage +8 str +10 Con(Raging vitality)
and the Shaping Focus feat is to synergize and boost the Wild shape feature Preliminary math makes-a raging earth elemental
I am fully planning to put the animal companions 4th level stat into inteligence to get it extra rage feat
as well as running with Wild Dragonhide full plate (the pricetag HURTS)
I also know I'll be dealing with a lot of table variation (GM's wont take kindly to earth elementals wielding Nodachi's)
my current issue is
Im willing to look at stats as well
feel free to toss your feedback at me :-)
so we all know that in order to use a Feat / trait ect from additional resources you must own the book
My question stems from the moving of Boon Companion from Seeker of Secrets to the Animal Archive
as I have yet to get my hands on the Animal Archive I must rely on the SRD for definitions ect.
the Wording between the 2 books is Minuscule
Seeker of Secrets - "to a maximum Bonus equal to your character level"
Animal Archive (Via SRD) - "to a maximum effective druid level equal to your character level"
I understand that nothing in Archive is legal for PFS until this coming week...
I also well understand that the most recent printing of a feat, trait ect. supersedes the previous but for those of us who may have bought seeker just for boon companion suddenly those peoples cost raises by 1/3rd for something they already had that was legal
my question is if we already own Seeker of Secrets ... will ownership of this book suffice for legality to use Boon Companion ?
ok ... I started running my group through this today .. and my question is based on one of the contingency plans included in the Scenario
1st - the Group was able to Capture the Red Raven (Tremor sense / Earth Glide / Blessing of Fervor / Huge and trip= OP)
now in the Scenario there is a Line about his Cape being Retained as Treasure if he is captured or Killed ... but it does not show up on the chronicle Sheet
my question is ... how do we as GM's of this scenario handle his Cape ... is it just hand waved or what ?
a friend of mine pointed out to me something about acrobatics and its raised some questions in my Mind
the way that Acrobatics is Worded is when using it to move through a threatened square you move at 1/2 speed
By RAW Acrobatics is not a move action ... its a mode of movement and seems to support moving normally ...and making the acrobatics squares as 1/2 movement
In addition, you can move through a threatened square without provoking an attack of opportunity from an enemy by using Acrobatics. When moving in this way, you move at half speed. You can move at full speed by increasing the DC of the check by 10. You cannot use Acrobatics to move past foes if your speed is reduced due to carrying a medium or heavy load or wearing medium or heavy armor. If an ability allows you to move at full speed under such conditions, you can use Acrobatics to move past foes. You can use Acrobatics in this way while prone, but doing so requires a full-round action to move 5 feet, and the DC is increased by 5. If you attempt to move through an enemy’s space and fail the check, you lose the move action and provoke an attack of opportunity.
whats your thoughts ?
so .. Im prepping this for next week ... and I ran into something
the group I'll be Prepping this for contains a paladin of Iomondae - Cheliax Faction
at one point ...
the Chelaxian is to read a manuscript that summons an Ice devil
now due to RP this character has remained ignorant as possible (even including excuses as to mispronouncing Asmodeous's name)--(dont ask)
my question ... this event ... beyond the RP aspects of it ... should I require him to take an atonement spell if he chooses to go through with this ? reading the faction mission its not obvious (but its highly hinted at) whats going to happen
so a thought Crossed my mind ... and Im not sure if its ever been asked
this is not a situation that I am currently looking at .. just a general question
for the sake of argument Lets say you GM a 7-11 and your highest character is a 3
procedure says ...
lets say that through a series of unfortunate events the Character Dies a few times ... expends Prestige / Boons / Favors / money and has nothing left ... and dies again ... no way to bring him back ... (I am ignoring surviving PC's pitching in to help res for a reason)
what happens to that held credit ... is it wasted ... applied to a new # ?
Im more curious than anything if this has ever come up before and if so what was the answer
had a question about the following statment
If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played
fair enough ... I play a 4th lvl Pregen playing in a 6-7 subtier as far as I can tell there is nothing wrong with doing that but how does the GM whos examining my chronicles know ... especially if there is a date discrepancy (played 2 months before the chronicle before it)... is the GM of the scenario supposed to make Note on the sheet ? (e.g. lvl 4 Kyra was played) or is this an "honor system" type thing ....
I recently played a lvl 4 kyra in a 6-7 Devil May know Pt. 2 and this just struck me
I was having a discussion with someone today about some players I know that have some VERY Complicated builds
the conversation had taken a turn to understanding the builds as a GM and Convention settings
as far as I am aware if the player owns the Additional resources in question... offers explanation to the GM of the feats / Items ect used in a timely fashion . the player is well within his power and rights to use them ... regardless of comprehension
the person I was discussing this with seemed to not agree and said that if he didn't understand it and the event organizer didnt understand it the player is getting a pregen
it was my understanding that campaign rules were Written in stone and could not be altered by players or GM's
I know I would hate going to a Convention having a character that I had $50+ in Additional Resource Material (physical books) and have a GM inspect the character then not understand my build before the table started ...and hand me a Pregen
so the bottom Line ... if a build is so complicated that a GM has a hard time understanding it ... but is legal in every way(owning additional resources/ calculations are accurate ect.) .. does that give the GM the right to tell the player "no here's a Pregen" ?
so I have a character that is only going to be able to play First steps Part 2 (which I played today)
Upon Looking at the chronicle I noticed that the GM did not record Prestige / Fame ...
I know the feelings of the Community on how this should be handled and know how I would handle it
I am looking for some official Binding Comment on how First steps is handled from Either Mike or Mark so that we can put it into the Forum Binding Topic
A play them out of order,
I know getting them to respond is sometimes difficult but on this one, as often as this comes up, I believe its needed
I'm assuming that the answer is no but never hurts to ask
Additional resources wrote:
Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).
Additional Resources wrote:
In Chapter 2, nothing from the catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk entries are currently legal for play.
fairly straight forward
and I just wanted to make sure that the magic items listed with catfolk, drow, hobgoblins, kobolds, orcs, and ratfolk fall under "their entries"
have a character Im looking at .. and while it doesn't hinge on anything from there the Rending Claw blades from pg 95 in catfolk would be a very nice addition
today at my FLGS we had an interesting situation come up and I dont know what to tell the player in question
during Pneumbral accords (table of 4) 1 character died ... 1 escaped ... and 1 was a question Mark (dunno about the 4th one)
the question mark was unconscious at -9 HP while the survivor hid (and remained undetected throughout the night)
come morning the survivor escaped .... while the character at -9 was branded (therefore going to be a slave in the shadow plane)
the easy answer would be if the character was Andoran (which hes not) since andoran can spend prestige to be broken out of slavery
the question is ... what do I tell this player ... is his character dead ?... or is there a way to rescue him from the slavery
I know the 5 PA rescue mission to retrieve ones Body is in the Guide to OP but the character is technically not dead
edit - character stableized at -9
so I had a friend of mine bring this up and its a very interesting question and AFAIK its not been brought up (Could be wrong)
his question had to do with the Idea of going to PaizoCon next year
he keeps track f his character on Google Drive along with monetary expenditures / PA Expenditures and the like
his question was what I would think if he chose to Scan / photograph all of his chronicles add them into a slideshow and attach them to a particular character via Google Drive
he had some very good points ... it makes you much more mobile (Smartphone / Ipad / Android Tablet and a bag of Dice)
I suggested he post about it ... but Im awake and bored so I figured Id post it since its a Very interesting option
so Im looking into making a bard for PFS
and Im trying to figure out the top end of bonus's I can grant to my allies
thus far Im up to +6 att/dam with a 1 time boost to +8 (note this is allies ... not myself
if I UMD Prayer I can hit +7's
the calculations are done up to 9th level - again Im looking for top end
just to break it down
Flagbearer +1 Morale(Banner of Ancient Kings makes it +2)
Inspire Courage +2 Competance (+4 between Banner and aasimar Favored Class level boosts)
again this needs to be PFS legal so no Warpaint / Master Performer / Grand master Performer
if anyone can come up with some other things Im missing ... please let me know
I know about Lotus Geisha just not sure about loosing Bardic knowledge
getting ready to run either this or Curse of the Riven Sky to Normalize my regular group for Eot10 and ran into something and not sure if this has been brought up but
Other: Unless prompted in a scenario or granted by a Chronicle, the rules for duels, performance combat, and siege engines, and all variant rules in Chapter 5 are not used in Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
now looking at the Ruby Phoenix chronicle
If you used the optional performance combat rules when playing the adventure
is it a choice whether to use the performance rules or not ?