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Recent posts by
Whizbang Dustyboots:
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I would say it's the mirror image of what's happened here. 4E is a divisive issue, and like the (idiotic) video game wars, the loudest people have divided themselves into camps and have spent a lot of energy denigrating the choice (or even mere preferences) of those in the "enemy" camp.
The situation at ENWorld was made worse by the well-meaning decision to move 4E discussion into its own forum, which allowed the two camps to have a hothouse environment where they tended to only hear from people they agreed with. And now, they've been dumped back into the same forum together, and, not surprisingly, everyone is acting like a bunch of cats in a sack, clawing and biting at each other.
ENWorld has gone through cycles like this before, and it gets over it. Part of the issue is that there's a LOT of people who are either not regular posters or are new posters, neither of whom are socialized to the normally very aggressive standard of moderation, and the resulting chaos has meant a lot of scrambling for the mods.
To be fair, though, the situation is worse at WotC's boards and there aren't a lot of 4E-friendly or even 4E-agnostic threads here at Paizo.
Singling out ENWorld on this matter seems off-base to me: What's going on there is just indicative of how online fandom in general is reacting to 4E -- with slap fights.
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I think you're going to hear from a lot of diehard fans here who may not, ultimately, accurately represent your entire base of customers.
If I were you, I'd plan on 4E. I know you're in regular contact with the Necromancer guys, and I think they have the right of it: Write for the Saga Edition, essentially, and odds are, you'll be pretty close to where you need to be when you finally get the rules. Worst case scenario, you issue a sincere (and understandable) mea culpa and put up errata online immediately.
Because sticking with the old version isn't going to work, no matter how great your product is, no matter how the hardcore may say otherwise (unless they each vow to buy 100 books each). Just look at how poorly the truly outstanding Redhurst Academy of Magic did, as it came out as a 3E purchase the same week as 3.5 hit.
All the oxygen is going of the room for 3E, whether or not anyone likes it. I think it's a bad idea to continue to sell to a market that won't really be there in sufficient numbers.
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Kelvar Silvermace wrote:
What do you mean by "throwaway" setting? I mean, both D0 and D1 are set in and around Falcon's Hollow, so it makes sense that it should have some depth. Or did I totally misunderstand what you're saying? (Entirely possible). :-)
Compare and contrast with modern modules from other companies. D1 is a dungeon crawl, and if either of the two companies I'm thinking of (two of the three big module producers at this point) had done it, we would have gotten a map of the nearby town, a stat block and one sentence descriptions of buildings and NPCs with no hooks whatsoever.
Without knowing what's on your game shelf, I can't point to specific examples, but if you've bought a module in the last six years, you have these kinds of throwaway towns in them. Arguably, this makes them more, well, modular, but it also gives lower value for the dollar out of the module itself.
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Ungoded wrote:
I haven't heard the song in years, I'm most likely remembering the closest reproduction of the actual words my brain can come up with.
According to this fansite for the Rankin-Bass "Return of the King," the lyrics are as follows:
Where there's a whip there's a way
Where's there's a whip there's a way.
Where there's a whip,
We don't wanna go to war today,
There's a way,
Where's there's a whip,
But the Lord of the lash says nay nay nay.
There's a way.
We're gonna march all day, all day all day.
For where there's a whip, theres a way.
Where there's a whip, there's a way.
Where there's a whip There's a way.
Where there's a whip There's a way.
Left, right, left, right, left.
Where's there's a whip, there's a way.
Left, right.
The crack on the back says we're gonna march
Says were gonna march all day all night
And more.
For we are the slaves of the dark lord's lore
Left right, left right, left right.
Where there's a whip there's a way.
Where there's a whip there's a way.
Where there's a whip,
We don't wanna go to war today.
There's a way,
Where's there's a whip,
But the Lord of the lash says nay nay nay
There's a way
We're gonna march all day all day all day
Where there's a whip there's a way.
Left right, left right left right left right
Left right Left right, left right, left right,
Left right, left right, left right.
So much love for the Internet.
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