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Cheliax

Oops, I'm avoiding spoilers from CoT -- we're probably starting that AP in October (using a modified World of Darkness game system).

In any case -- I just like House Thrune and Cheliax.

Cheliax

I believe my bubble burst.
bastid!

Very good point.

I still think this would be a great "fight the rebels" AP.

Ah well.

EDIT:
Wait, No!

While I completely agree with your Taldor vs Qadira PC-choice-AP being a much better venue, after further thought your implied point about Cheliax being a weak choice because of the power of House Thrune, the Hellknights and Hell itself, doesn't hold water.

Think about the standard adventure design -- PCs are the good guys in a relatively good setting taking on the bad guys. They go fight bad guys in their lairs and come back to the "good" (or neutral) settlements to sell loot, buy gear and make friendly NPC contacts.

That's exactly what the Rebels in Hell AP *could* be:
PCs may choose to be the "good" guys who have to find and go to the rebels' lairs, defeat them, then go back to the "friendly" settlements to sell loot, buy gear and make NPC contacts.

- - - -

I think the design could be such:

Each volume presents NPCs on both sides, Thrune and Rebellion -- so whatever choice the PCs have made they have both allies (out of combat) and enemies.

Instead of the typical site-based "dungeon" locations that are controlled by the enemy, site-based areas in this AP could all be neutral-ground locations, places that no one side in the conflict uses as a base.

Thus whatever side the PCs are on, they go to that volume's locations and encounter whomever is against them. And go to other locations and encounter thos who they support to get gear & sell loot.

It could still work.

Cheliax

It's not at all too late, you know, for the designers to develop this AP using a non-traditional design -- say, creating the entire AP with the thought that PCs choose to support either Cheliax OR the rebels.

It's never been done on the scale of an AP before -- heck, one would be hard pressed to find more than a couple published adventures ever where the PCs had to choose at the beginning which side of a conflict to be on.

This kind of AP design, supposing they could make it playable, would be a first (on this scale).

You know, kinda like Kingmaker was the first ever Sandbox on this scale.
*Unless your definition of Sandbox can include City State of the Invincible Overlord.

Cheliax

Daedalaman wrote:
What if a "dragon" AP was centered in Hermea and the main enemy was the gold dragon in charge?

When my buddy wanted to try his hand at DMing a year or so ago he started to run us through Way of the Wicked, the "evil-PCs" AP from a 3rd Party publisher.

I strongly suggested he try to run it in Hermea if it would fit and that's pretty much what we did.
At least, until the end of Book 1 when we went back to a more experienced DM)

Cheliax

If you meant to ask Dragon-Focused AP in AVISTAN, I'd be very interested.

Alas, I think when they do end up doing a Solar System AP (which for many of us should never come -- kinda like a Numeria AP), they will not make it a "Classical Trope" AP. Not to say there couldn't be a dragon in it, I just don't think they'd combine their hypothetical DRAGON AP with their hypothetical Solar System AP.

That being said -- we'll all go bonkers for *any Dragon-Focused AP. And there will be a grossly vocal minority who will scream for a Solar System AP.

Edit:
How 'bout this... What if they include, in their hypothetical Dragon AP, a volume 5 or 6 that takes place on Triaxus or one of the other planetoids?!

That'd be friggen Awesome. Even those of us who hate non-classical D&D settings and atmospheres -- those of us who have hated "Expedition to the Barrier Peaks" for 35 years now -- would love that!

Cheliax

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It's funny, Asgetrion, The more I hear of this AP the more I desperately want to build a PC and play in a group that supports Cheliax during this rebellion in Kintargo.

You know, we PCs begin outside of Kintargo, maybe Egorian or an unnamed town -- and because we solve some cool local problem during the first volume -- are then commissioned to go solve Kintargo's problem.

And we try to one-up the HellKnights during each volume, who are also trying to quell the little rebellion.

If we PCs succeed then Kintargo remains wholly Chelaxian. ("Chellish" is some dumb-sounding sandwich spread, not sure who in Paizo thought it was appropriate to say "Chellish" instead of the correct, "Chelaxian.") If we the PCs fail then Kintargo gains its independence.

That's what the AP SHOULD be!

Cheliax

And for those of you who don't know Trampier -- man, read up on him.

Cheliax

For years my best guess has been Trampier -- it's more "Him" than Sutherland by a lot. And Jean Wells doesn't really count. I think it's gotta either be Trampier of maybe, maybe Wham.

"DAT" is on sooooo many of those old illustrations -- if he did Asmodeus, why isn't there a DAT?

And what did Wham do in that book, anyway. It seems as though 99% are either Sutherland or Trampier -- and Wells doesn't count.

I just want proof it was Trampier, that's all.

Cheliax

Who drew the 1977 Asmodeus from the Monster Manual?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Thanks!
(And don't forget to give your source!)

Cheliax

In seriousness,

Jacobs, THANK YOU very much for answering questions and giving tidbits of info on this AP!

Really.Awesome.
Thank you.

Cheliax

James Jacobs wrote:

I'm a huge fan of demons, but I like devils plenty.

The only thing I'm not a fan of is folks who claim that devils are "better" than demons because they're lawful instead of chaotic.

Devils and demons are equal in terms of what they can do to mess mortals up.

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One of the reasons Jacobs isn't a fan of those of us who preach that Devils are greater than demons BECAUSE they're intelligent -- and lawful -- while demons are dumb, ie. chaotic -- is because the truth hurts.

It hurts them to acknowledge that that one extra hit point Demogorgan has over Asmodeus in the '77 MM is meaningless, despite their childhood nostalgia.

The sad, poor folks that think demons are as great as devils (ie. as intelligent -- or have any intelligence), really are sad and poor.

;)

Spoiler:
And no, it doesn't hurt us at all that Demogorgon has one more HP than Asmodeus in the '77 MM!
It DOESN'T!
Not even a little!

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By the way, look closely at Jacobs' post and you'll notice his exact words are...

James Jacobs wrote:
devils are "better" than demons because they're lawful instead of chaotic.

Cheliax

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Wow.

Rob, thank you -- I was not expecting this much candor this early in development.

Thanks to you, Adam as well.

Question:
In Mike Selinker's masterpiece, "Lear, Giant King" from Dungeon 78, we have the greatest published "Completely-Giants-Featured" adventure of all time.

For this AP's inspiration, in addition to the banal-even-in-1978, grognaridian hack-&-slash from G1-G3 -- and hopefully other well known (Fortress of the Stone Giants) or novel ("Fire Giant's Daughter" also by Wolfgang Baur) giant adventures -- will this AP pay homage in style or theme to the greats, (for us Grognards) as well as adding the next chapter in giant-themed-adventure evolution?

Obviously you can't rehash Fortress from AP#4; that'd be dumb. And obviously you can't make a spiritual successor in a King Lear-inspired Storm Giant adventure or even have a petulant Fire Giant daughter ask the PCs for help from an overbearing father.

But since both authors (Mike Selinker created Pathfinder Card Game, right? & Wolfgang Baur) work really well with Paizo -- will they both be contributing to this project, either with ideas or actual articles / adventures?

Thanks

(And here's hoping that at least one of the adventures in the new AP reaches the greatness of Selinker's Masterpiece -- one of the top 10 or so adventures in the 2E era, let alone the greatest Giants-Themed adventure)

Cheliax

It's not the what information on Giantslayer and Hell's Rebels I'm looking for, it's the WHERE do we find this info.

Other than getting lucky with a single post in a related Thread amongst hundreds of "Oh boy, can't wait" posts?

Can someone provide a helpful link to a PaizoBlog or something?

Cheliax

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Failed my Save:

Stunned,
Staggered,
Devastated.

One of the most talented actors I've ever seen.

Cheliax

I came up with something for giants in one of my Homebrew games that I am quite proud of and players in four groups have commented on.

I wanted the traditional boulder-throwing giants because I'm a Grognard but I also wanted something a bit innovative to make an interesting encounter. And since they were Rune Giants under Mokmurian....

I let the Giant spellcasters imbue their boulders with spells and spell-like abilities in much the same way a Magus puts a spell into his or her weapon -- like a magic sword with the spell storing quality.

So while most giants are throwing standard boulders, some are throwing boulders with Fireball or Inflict Serious Wounds or Dispel Magic or Contagion. (Of course, after looking at Alchemist, Magus & Warlock (3.5) for design strategy, I built the mechanic based on my PCs' APL and what they could handle in a tough fight; that turned out to be 2nd & 3rd Lvl spells -- but anything would be cool.)

Anyway, I think it's a strong, novel idea for a classic giant encounter -- maybe some Paizo designers will like it enough to include it in the AP.

Cheliax

Please cancel my subscription to the Adventure Path line.

I anxiously look forward to renewing my subscription in February when the next AP begins.

Cheliax

Holy Moly, thanks.

It'll take me a while to go through this but it is a great help. I knew I could count on the Boards. ...Yes, I was referring to "hand size" when I said "face up" cards -- remember I'm not a D&D-Card-Game guy, "face up" was the best term I could come up with since I didn't know the official term.

Cheliax

Thanks guys.

I repeated the Thread in the appropriate forum; thanks for the link!

Cheliax

So,... never a card-game guy, strictly D&D(Pathfinder), but played a session or two with some other Paizonians and kinda like it.

Have a couple questions on Homebrew design I'm sure the Lords-of-the-Boards have already hashed out and can tell me about or link me to the right Thread:

1) What are some typical, well play-tested, alternate Class builds? Like, have you guys made alternate Paladins, Wizards, Druids & such, either just Abilitiy Score dice rolls and/or legal cards for the Class' deck?

2) Better, have you guys designed some balanced, well play-tested, "create-your-own-class" rules ... and what are some?

3) Would lengthening your hand from 15 total cards to 20 total cards, and then adding 1 card to your, um, "face up" cards make the game unbalanced -- that is, if you then also added another monster to each "location"(?) deck and maybe another few cards to the "timer"(?) deck that keeps track of the whole session's success/ failure?

. . . .

I think the individual monsters seem a bit weak, but then the group I sometimes join is (and I am) very into helping each other out with Blessings & such, making monsters "defeat DC" pretty low compared to what we come up with. (Obviously this depends not only on playing style within the group but also Class selection and group size).

I also really like playing the Paladin but would rather select an Ability-Score array and Deck make-up and such without having it written in stone. Any Homebrew designs out there that, for example, let a Paladin keep an Item Card and take away, for example, an Armor Card -- Or increase his DEX dice while decreasing his WIS dice?

What's out there?

Cheliax

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Cool Thread -- made me go back to my first posts and their Threads, summer of '06, and remember how different everything was before WotC killed D&D and began the Edition Wars.

Cheliax

So,... never a card-game guy, strictly D&D(Pathfinder), but played a session or two with some other Paizonians and kinda like it.

Have a couple questions on Homebrew design I'm sure the Lords-of-the-Boards have already hashed out and can tell me about or link me to the right Thread:

1) What are some typical, well play-tested, alternate Class builds? Like, have you guys made alternate Paladins, Wizards, Druids & such, either just Abilitiy Score dice rolls and/or legal cards for the Class' deck?

2) Better, have you guys designed some balanced, well play-tested, "create-your-own-class" rules ... and what are some?

3) Would lengthening your hand from 15 total cards to 20 total cards, and then adding 1 card to your, um, "face up" cards make the game unbalanced -- that is, if you then also added another monster to each "location"(?) deck and maybe another few cards to the "timer"(?) deck that keeps track of the whole session's success/ failure?

. . . .

I think the individual monsters seem a bit weak, but then the group I sometimes join is (and I am) very into helping each other out with Blessings & such, making monsters "defeat DC" pretty low compared to what we come up with. (Obviously this depends not only on playing style within the group but also Class selection and group size).

I also really like playing the Paladin but would rather select an Ability-Score array and Deck make-up and such without having it written in stone. Any Homebrew designs out there that, for example, let a Paladin keep an Item Card and take away, for example, an Armor Card -- Or increase his DEX dice while decreasing his WIS dice?

What's out there?

Cheliax

Varisia

Then Varisia a few more times before
Cheliax,
Absalom,
The WorldWound,
Andoran,
Land of the Linnorm Kings, and
Realm of the Mammoth Lords. In that order.

Cheliax

Thanks!

Cheliax

God of food...?

Beory wasn't cool in Greyhawk; she'll not be cool here. We don't need her in Pathfinder.
And let's not get started on how pathetic Chauntea is in FR.

Please, no food god.

Cheliax

THE SPIRE OF NEX

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Really,

It's pretty obvious (has been for several years) that Mona either will never be able to do this "properly" or just isn't that interested in doing it afterall.

But it's the Undermountain to Waterdeep; the Ptolus megadungeon to Ptolus;... the Castle Grayhawk to Greyhawk.

Mona needs to walk away from it and allow someone slse to do it if he can't. Or just do it himself like he intended back in, what, '07?

Cheliax

Where in the River Kingdoms is the Emerald Spire?

Cheliax

I have a twin!?!?!

What great news.

Spoiler:
Now I can do all those heinous crimes and blame the DNA results on the cricket. ;)

Cheliax

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Congrats, Germany fans!

. . . .

And now back to club football:

Arsenal shall rule the world, obviously!

Cheliax

Morthoron
CG Elf, Kyonin Magus/ Fighter - 8th Lvl Gestalt

"Vampires and Drow of Varisia" Campaign

After the final Stone Giant began to flee, Morthoron, already heavily injured, continued the chase. Normally this would have been no problem except that his partner in front-line fighting, Bellaris the LN Halfling Monk/ Barbarian could not keep up the chase with him, after having exhauseted his rounds of "Quiet-Storm" -- NOT Rage because he's a Monk/Bbn and not just some dumb Bbn! -- and gained the Fatigued condition. By himself cornering the Stone Giant, Morthoron had no chance. Especially with a critical hit that smashed him into oblivion.

DM Note: I allowed Morthoron to use a Badd-Ass Point (I don't give lame Hero points, PCs in my Campaigns are Badd-Asses!) to halve the damage and only be unconscious & bleeding, 2 HP from his CON score, even though Morthoron had used his Badd-Ass point already.

Cheliax

Morvius Wintrish
LN Tiefling, Chelaxian Alchemist/ Witch - 8th Lvl Gestalt

"Vampires and Drow of Varisia" Campaign
(Homebrew using "Lady of the Mists," Carrion Crown, Second Darkness, and other published adventures -- all taking place in Varisia)

After infiltrating the ruins of Xin Shalast deep in the Kodor Mountains, on their way to The Dark Tower of Cabilar near Xin Shalast (Dungeon #1) the PCs attack a group of Stone Giant Rune-Mages under the command of Mokmurian from Jorgunfist.

After the party tank fell to unconsciousness in melee with the last giant, the giant threw one of his magicalized-boulders at Morvius -- who failed to heal up after the last few rounds of initiative. (The fight progressed over a few non-combat chase sequences across quite a bit of terrain.)

Cheliax

Judy Bauer wrote:
Any word whether Silva will be back for the third-place game tomorrow? I'd love to see Brazil win back some pride there.

Not me.

And Thiago Silva will be back, like Marc said.

I hope he teams up with Dante -- as much as I am a fan of David Luiz as a person (especially now that he's gone from Chelsea!), he's not the beter Center Back for Brasil along side of Silva. Dante is. Brasil should have started every game with Thiago Silva and Dante at CB and David Luiz (maybe) one of the defensive midfielders.

But I sure hope Nederlands beats Brasil later today.
(despite having 24 hours LESS rest & recovery)

Cheliax

Pedro Coelho wrote:
Fred and Jo are the worst Brazilian strikers that ever played in a World Cup (that statement is backed up by numbers)

It's also backed up by common sense.

I'm still new to football (4 1/2 years) but I know they are just not good compared to the best players in the world.

Pedro Coelho wrote:

There are teams that are always contenders,...

Brazil is still on that list. As is Italy. As is France. As is Holland (personally, they are the ones I feel are overrated, even if they'll probably kick our asses on Saturday). As is Argentina,

Agreed that Brasil are contenders -- still a great team. Just not as good as (my list) Germany, Spain, France, Argentina, & Holland -- in that order. And it helps that the Cup was IN Brasil for them. But they were never gonna beat Germany -- I predicted back in December that Holland would knock them out in the Round-of-16 -- we'll see what happens in a few hours from now.

Regarding what you say about Holland & Argentina being also overrated, I dunno -- most pundits I have heard have said that they are good but not great, making me disagree with them but I'm just me. Yes Argentina would have to seemingly field 11 strikers to put their 11 best players on the pitch -- but I strongly posit that their midfield is very good and their defense is pretty good. Add to that the best group of strikers in the world BY FAR, I have Argentina as #4 in the wrold -- ON PAPER.

And I have Holland #5 -- with a significant gap between them and Brasil at (from my list) 6th. But like I said -- most pundits don't put them quite that high. ....Anyway, the (somewhat) silly point I was trying to make is thus: If most pundits don't feel Argentina and Holland are super-teams, how can they be overrated?

Pedro Coelho wrote:
I bet my friends that the final would be Germany X Argentina.

Nice!

I had Spain beating Germany
(Even though I have Germany #1 & Spain #2 on my list (Best teams on paper), I hoped Spain would win, cementing them as the greatest squad in the history of the game -- which I still think they are, just too passed their prime.

Cheliax

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I asked for Bob Dylan and you delivered.

"Knockin' on Hellish Doors" for the win!

Cheliax

*(Back on the Boards after a week away)

Well,... I've been saying it since (actually before) December and the Group draw: Brasil are overrated. They are flat-out not as good as the great teams. Germany would have beaten them even with their best player -- Thiago Silva. (Neymar, like the team as a whole, is grossly overrated.) This squad will be great in a few years when Oscar, Neymar, Hulk, Luiz and those defensive-midfielders are a bit more experienced but for now -- no way they could beat Germany.

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Crap, I predicted Nederlands to beat Argentina. Ah well.

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It'll be REAL interesting to see Argentina face Germany, knowing that not only could they win the World Cup -- but do it IN Brasil -- and perhaps most significantly, by defeating the team that Humiliated their grossly overrated arch-rivals in the Semis.

Cheliax

I hadn't thought about that -- that CRC finished the Cup without losing a game, only on penalties. Wow.

. . . .

Everyone ready for an all-Europe Final?!?

Cheliax

BTW,

Germany will BEAT Brasil

Nederlands will BEAT Argentina (after eliminating CRC)

Cheliax

David Luiz should win Man-of-the-Year -- what a great humanitarian and good sport he is off and on the pitch.

I'm so glad I don't have to root against him now that he's gone from the Premier League.

Cheliax

Argentina Question

So let's pretend: Argentina win the World Cup but Messi isn't the main reason. He has a pretty good overall Cup but isn't the Golden Boot.
.... Where then do you rank Messi all time?

How about this -- same situation except that it's Sergio Aguero who IS the hero. Let's say Aguero scores 4 or 5 goals in the next two games and is the main hero for Argentina.
.... Where do you rank Aguero all time?

Cheliax

Kajehase wrote:

Ah well... The Germans were better.

And no Mertesacker seems to have helped with the defence.

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I think leaving out Mertesacker was a wise decision. (Remember I'm a huge ARSENAL fan.)

Germany played with a back line higher than Delta flies in the sky. If you're gonna do that it is a bad idea to put in a CB (Mert) who can not run the length of the pitch in less than six minutes.

Now, I'm quite proud of this little observation -- remember, I'm an American who's only been following this game for a few years and (except for my first 6 months) have had no one to teach me this stuff. I usually have to watch the games by myself and be completely autodidactic.

What do you guys think? Am I on to something -- great idea to sit Mert if you're gonna use a high line!

. . . .

Of course, it SUCKED for me because out of the large number of Arsenal players for the two teams, ONLY Ozil started. I was SOOOOO looking forward to seeing Mert vs Giroud! And Ozil vs Kos! Heck, and maybe even Podolski off the bench.

Ah well.

Cheliax

aeglos wrote:
It may help to bring young ones into the sport and maybe keep players in the sport after youth

(my bold)

This.

Absolutely this.

Problem is -- we're a LONG way from that. All of our kids play when they are little -- though not at all seriously. (In the US there's a cliche stereotype used called "Soccer Mom" describing ninety-eleventy percent of moms here.)

But NONE, honestly none of our top youth atheletes stick to football. They ALL switch to basketball or American-football.

Honestly, had the Howards and Dempseys and Donovans and Bradleys and Beckermans and Holdens and such played basketball, baseball or American-football, none of them would have even been able to play at the college level -- they're not nearly good enough atheletes. (You've seen our Olympians, right, at the Olympics -- They are not as good sports-wise as our best atheletes. I can name, of the top of my head, two dozen American footballers who could BLOW AWAY Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Theo Walcott and Gareth Bale in a sprint. Please believe me, I'm not exagerrating. And they're all built like Hulk and are the size of your average Center Back.

Until our best atheletes stick to football we will not get significantly better. I hate that, too. Giuseppi Rossi showed promise at age 11 and his father immediately sent him from New Jersey to Italy. And our players of the immediate future: Diskerud is from Norway. Green and Zelalem are from Germany. Johansson is from Iceland. Heck, our top players now are a mix: Jones from Germany, Bedoya from Spain and Chandler (also) from Germany.

Until our kids stick to it we will stay about where we are.

Incidentally, this is why it's a great idea for Klinsman to try so desperately to get Julian Green and Gedion Zelalem to join USA. Because if they DO live up to their potential, holy cow, we could be a legitimate contender for a semi-final in 2018, or at least a Q-Final.

And who knows, maybe that'll lead to some of our young prodigies to stick to football when they hit High School instead of switching to the more popular American sports.

Cheliax

GeraintElberion wrote:

Petr Cech is often seen as the best keeper in the British league.

He is very good.

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When I started in '09 it was Van der Sar of Man Utd and, of course, Cech of Chelsea that were miles ahead of everyone else. Pepe Reina too, in third. But Mignolet and Begovic weren't then as good as now so Howard was still in the top 5. Now a few new greats have emerged but Van der Sar & Reina are gone and Petr Cech has lost a step or two. We can't really consider him a top 5 Keeper anymore. Meanwhile, for a year Brad Friedle was causing me problems because he was so great; I remember a few Scottish golfers who came here during their "tour" of big name Golf Courses -- they swore Howard wasn't even the best US Keeper in England. (Friedle was great, yes, but never as good as Howard has been the last 5 or 6 years.)

Cheliax

Sheesh, I get too busy for a couple days and miss 100 posts.

Old news now but -- Replay should be applied to football and Robben should have been given at least a Yellow Card for simulation.

Of course, considering my prediction that that was the game of the Round that would be a blow out....
I have to admit relief that Holland won.

. . . .

So, when I started watching football in the Fall of '09 one of the first things I observed was that Tim Howard was really good. And for four-and-a-half years I would try to convince English fans I'd meet online or in person here in the States that he is easily one of the top 5 Goalies in England. Only to be treated as a "Homer." (In the US, someone who picks their "home team" in debate because they can't see past their emotional screen)

Now maybe they'll all believe me!

Is Hugo Lloris better? Yes.

Are Joe Hart, Simon Mignolet, and Asmir Begovic equal to and maybe better? Yes.

But Tim Howard is still easily one of the top 5 Keepers in England. Sorry David de Gea. (Actually, REALLY not sorry!)

. . . .

Well, the US is out and the handful of my fellow Americans who follow this game for a few weeks every four years are gone. We will get a small few more permanent fans, just like we have done the last 4 World Cups -- folks who enjoyed it enough to want to start following Club football and stick to the sport.

But not many. Just like 2010. Just like 2006. Etc.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in 2018. Then we'll have a very experienced, and actually quality defense in front of goal -- PLUS -- Gedion Zelalem, Mix Diskerud, Julian Green, Aron Johansson, (perhaps) Yedlin, and who knows, maybe even one or two other actually talented players. Bradley as team captain then makes sense. We could potentially do really really well. (And the English shall hold their breaths!) Bot of course that's only if these young guys actually live up to their potential.

Cheliax

So what will happen in the Round of 16 everybody?...
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Will Holland beat Mexico 7-0?
Or will Holland beat Mexico 8-0?
Or maybe 9-0.
Which one?

. . . .

Brasil vs Chile is a tough choice -- I barely predict Chile to win.

Columbia vs Uruguay is also tough -- Uruguay will play furiously. Columbia will win. (My toughest choice this round)

Switzerland will give Argentina everything they can handle but will still lose; Messi shall score a brace, at least.

Belgium will win (god I hope not and we Americans do, at least, have a shot -- unlike Mexico, Nigeria and Algeria -- who will be humiliated in their games.)

Costa Rica will beat Greece. Wait, I mean, England will beat Italy. Wait, I mean ... Are you sure Costa Rica and Greece are playing each other?!?

Cheliax

Slaunyeh wrote:
What chance the United States shocks Belgium and the world with a win?
Jaelithe wrote:
I'd be more shocked if Belgium won.
Marc Radle wrote:
(Me too)

Wow.

Now I'm shocked.

I do believe that the US has a chance to win. We play together as a team and fight for every minute.

But Belgium has plenty of rest having played, what, 7 or 8 backups in their game 3... And despite having had some problems playing together as a team of incredible individuals, I think they're more likely to get better as a team unit the further they go; they will not stagnate.

And less we forget... Romelu Lukaku... Eden Hazard... Kompany... Fellaini... etc... etc... etc... At every single position. Every. Single. Position. They are much better. Much better. Clint Dempsey is good. He sure as hell ain't Lukaku or Hazard (depending on where Dempsey is played). Michael Bradley is good. Jermaine Jones is solid and having a good Cup. Tim Howard is GREAT. But in every position Belgium is better.

I predicted US to upset the Group in December to advance. I also predicted US in December to lose to Belgium.

Here's hoping I'm wrong!

Go USA!

Cheliax

And yet Muller isn't considered one of the top 25 players in the world.

For Bayern Munich I still easily put Robben, Ribery, Neuer, Lahm and (soon) Lewandowski all ahead of him. And on the German National team I add Ozil,

But my god he scores in World Cup games, yes?!

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Whew

USA

. . . .

The Luis Suarez sanction is correct. For this third offense, it is precisely what is appropriate.

Cheliax

And Holland...

Cheliax

Yeah, I'm not too optimistic about "strong" growth in the US; I think, though, that a fan's perspective greatly depends on where in the US one lives. For me, the last 3 cities (2 FL, 1 NC) I've been in have had absolutely NO international football love. Real Madrid vs Atletico a month ago didn't even exist here. Not a single "Irish" Pub or sports bar (I called over 20, all I could find) even knew it was on or what it was. Same with all the other Champions' League games the last few years -- not to mention Premier League games. And no one on ESPN knows anything about football.

But we are growing -- just not very fast.

. . . .

Really, Spain are happy they won a game. Against Australia-

How the mighty have fallen. They were pathetic the whole tournament.
Question: Will Xavi, Iniesta, Xabi, Pique, Busquets, Sergio Ramos, Iker Cassilias or any of the other Barca/ Real players ever play for the Spain squad again?
They can't cut it.

It seems as though Mata, Cazorla, Silva, Fabregas & DeGea, and young players I've not learned yet, should be the future of the club. What do the Spain followers say?

. . . .

Anyone else excited about Brasil vs Chile?!

. . . .

I'm not convinced the Group draws are rigged at all. I revile FIFA as much as the next human with a beating heart and a soul -- but I don't see their motive for fixing the Groups.

They should be far more transparent in, well, in everything (if they should even exist as a governing body at all). But ultimately, the teams have to be rated (so that the A teams are in separate Groups) and you can only fairly rate them on performances. Switzerland isn't 1/100th a team as Germany, France, Argentina, Spain -- even Brasil. But based on their handful of games, they deserved to be one of the 8 "A" teams.

Did FIFA rig it so that France, on paper the 3rd or 4th best team in the world despite stinking up every football pitch they'd been on, humiliating their country and looking like asses since 2010, would be in the same Group as Switzerland so that the Group would have a legitimate contender (cuz the Swiss sure as heck ain't real contenders)?... I don't think so.

And I really don't believe that US and Ghana were matched together on purpose. Or anything else. FIFA, as corrupt, pathetic and soulless as they are, have no motive to do that.

Cheliax

On USA and football:

For us, until our best atheletes stick with it as kids, instead of leaving it for American football, basketball and baseball, we will not get better and there will be no incentive for fans to learn the game until we have great players playing it.

Right now our best young atheletes, if they even play football, quit by age 14-15 to play American football and basketball and such. Thus MLS sucks, overall talent-wise.

Thus none of the regular sports pundits here know anything or care anything about it. And the 40+ age crowd won't care until Tony Kornheiser and Mike Greenberg and Woody Paige and Mitch Albom and Jim Rome and Mike Wilbon, etc., etc., care enough about it to learn it. Example: Bill Plashke proclaims to be a new Arsenal fan and probably couldn't tell you much more about Arsenal than that the colors are red and Thierry Henry (because he plays in NY now) used to play for Arsenal.

Only a tiny few of us, slowly and not very steadily, are getting into football over here.

Cheliax

And now we have to root for Portugal to beat Ghana -- yet only by a goal difference that keeps our goal difference ahead of Ghana (not hard)

And we must keep our upcoming loss to Germany close (so we don't lose goal diffeerence vs Ghana & Portugal)

Portugal 2-0 Ghana
Germany 1-0 USA

Those scores look viable and get us through to the Round of 16.

Or maybe we'll be lucky and Germany will just give us a draw -- I mean, "tie." (Ain't language great?)

Cheliax *

Hmmm,

I go to report the event but, when looking at the Scenarios there is not one for the Free RPG Day mod.

Is there more than one way to report?

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