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Well, I'm convinced now about soil, but if the spell allows you to move through "mere cracks", it seems it must allow you to move through spaces that insects can pass though. Gas could move through such a space, just like gas can escape a super thin fracture in a pipe. I'm unconvinced about the volume issue -- if you can go through a crack, then you can spread your form out however thin it needs to be to fit the available space it seems. The vampire might move more slowly passing though a thin crack, but I don't see how it is prohibited under the RAW.
Ok. So I agree moving through ground might be hard, but it seems like the basement of an old stone monastery would have a ton of cracks that would allow passage to the outside -- that's why old basements have bugs and rodents. And then, even if the vampire could not move through the ground, it seems it could remain along the seam of the stone foundation and the surrounding soil/rock and wait for nightfall. It seems like if the vampire followed along the seam, it could find some kind of air pocket and hang out as long as it wants.
Do folks agree or disagree with any of that?
Well, we're pretty much past the point of any foreshadowing. My thinking is that the "even mere cracks" language seems incredibly permissive to me. I just can't imagine old stone buildings not having thin cracks everywhere -- that's how insects and rodents move around and in and out. And if soil is porous enough for water and worms to move through, then why not a gaseous form. Of course, it's all my call, but I don't want to be too unreasonable. Frankly, the PCs may not even have any way in game of finding out what happened to the vampire.
The PCs in my game have a vampire in a monastery on the run. Can he go gaseous, seep through the presumably sufficiently porous stone walls of the monastery basement, and then hide out in the soil until nightfall? Or just move underground through the soil?
On that same note, it seems to me the vampire can move through the walls and floors/ceilings of the monastery virtually at will, as an ancient monastery will have cracks everywhere.
Basically, this gives the PCs pretty much no chance of catching the vampire (whose location they don't presently know) -- right? Is any of the above incorrect?
I'd love some input before my game tonight!!
Thanks all. Does this note from Cevah make sense to you all? Effectively the caster would be peeking outside the fog, targeting her spell and then ducking back. Conceivably a PC could notice her peeking out, but not enough to target her since she would be back in the fog right away...
Thanks, Neil. It is a good thought that, just because the PCs are coming in from downstairs, it doesn't mean the big battle NEEDS to take place there, if somewhere else is more advantageous for Aisa or more interesting. The witches have already been alerted to the PCs presence, because one of the Oothi spider swarms is in the cave, and the witches are telepathically connected to her/it.
But it may be that Aisa sees some advantage to moving upstairs before the PCs come, perhaps to fully alert and organize the upstairs troops. Perhaps she thinks the bloodknight and ex-paladin will soften up the PCs (assuming the PCs don't ally with the ex-paladin). I suppose I could also imagine her wanting to have Hetna take on the PCs first. (I still can't imagine why she would think it would be advantageous to feed on Hetna rather than having Hetna as an ally in the final fight -- unless I guess she just views it as an easy opportunity to get rid of her sister).
Anyhow, it is interesting to consider that it can be a re-arranged sequence rather than a battle royal, although a battle royal is probably the bad guys' smartest move.
Any thoughts, building on Neil's idea, of how Aisa might want to throw foes at the PCs, or where would be most interesting to stage the battles?
Thanks. I guess the swarm in the cave will warn the witches of the party's approach. Any thoughts on how the witches would prepare? I guess they would start drawing down the forces from upstairs to the downstairs. I guess the party will need to face both witches at the same time, since in this scenario Aisa might not feed on Hetna? For what it is worth, the PCs are showing a pretty overwhelming amount of force on the nagas -- a summoned and hasted dire tiger chewing one to bits, a hasted barbarian with pounce and massively destructive blows.
Thanks for your thoughts! It is very helpful for me to toss this stuff back and forth -- most of you are more experienced as GMs than I!
We didn't get very far last night (my PCs are VERY cautious in approaching lairs). But, predictably, they found the sea cave and they are now poised to make very easy work of the Nagas (protection from evil is OVERPOWERED! -- a first level spell easily put on a cheap wand that confers immunity from charm person?!?).
Anyhow, I'd love any further thoughts on the advantages or disadvantages of leaving in the cave entrance to the Abbey, since I have time to decide whether to leave it in or not...
One advantage to leaving the entrance there is the opportunity to interact with that charmed paladin. Plus, as usual, the PCs are unloading some heavy spells right away -- if they have to approach from above it is almost guaranteed they will seek to return to Caliphas to rest up. So what do you all think? A Battle Royal in the basement of the Abbey for my PCs? (Technically a Battle Royal is factionless, but you know what I mean!)
Thanks. I'm also thinking of not putting too much pressure on them to finish things off in one go. They have a tendency to approach things like Keep on the Borderlands -- pop in, kill a few monsters, go home and rest. When they were in Illmarsh I made it pretty clear they needed to finish the underground caves in one go, and I felt like that was the right thing, even though (or perhaps because) a couple of them got killed in the end (those were the first deaths in the AP). But another (and almost two) got killed in the tailor shop. It doesn't seem like there's as much urgency to take down the Abbey all in one sweep -- the witches are going to be on alert anyways and aren't going anywhere without Oothi's skull. And I don't want my PCs to feel like they are going to get killed in every chapter, and we can't afford the wait for class levels to recover from raisings...
Plus, Radvir escaped the tailor shop, so if he decided to join the witches things will be even tougher -- but I'm open to other ideas about where Radvir went...
I'm a bit late posting this now because I'm running my game tonight, but any reason why I shouldn't omit the cave entrance to the Abbey? My party went directly to the basement in Radvir's shop and had a heck of a hard time. I think they might do the same thing here -- go into the basement through the cave -- and get slaughtered in a massive battle royale, as the foes from elsewhere in the abbey all gather to aid in the fight in the basement. Plus, the PCs would potentially miss out on some interesting roleplaying up above, such as with the witchfires...
How would you all handle time travel from a mechanical perspective? I suppose it would be too much to even devise a very high level spell that would allow time travel.
I have no interest in sending my PCs back in time, but I have a player who is interested in bringing a character from the past into the campaign. It is a great idea in the context of the campaign, and my idea is to send a high level NPC back in time to get her (that is, the PC).
Here's one idea I found online: "The Fulcrum of Ages"
The NPC (a virtuosic teleporter) could have a modified version of this device hidden away somewhere.
Any other thoughts?
Ion -- I'm realizing you didn't take an action for the Bralani Azata upstairs for Round 25.
Arthen -- feel free to post actions now for Round 26 for yourself and the water elemental. There's one more area for the elemental to douse; would need to take a five foot step West to get there. I need to post an action for the ghouls, but that won't affect you.
I will also try to revise the map. I've had a kind of chaotic weekend; we'll just pick up tomorrow night from wherever we can get.
Aldo staggers from the tremendous blow delivered by Munafiq and the cloud of smoke descends on the group, covering the area in total darkness. Aldo hacks and coughs, and swings at Munafiq. Although it is a well placed blow, the attack misses due to concealment. Aldo then moves away from Munafiq, although none of the allies can see where he goes. (No attack of oppo. due to concealment.) You do hear him say "Come. Follow me."
Behind GM screen:
Fortitude: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (7) + 9 = 16
Bladed scarf: 1d20 + 19 - 2 ⇒ (19) + 19 - 2 = 36
Concealment miss chance: 1d100 ⇒ 29
Acrobatics: 1d20 + 22 ⇒ (4) + 22 = 26
He moves out and up the wall.
Thanks, Ion. I'll work to get up a bunch of the next round. I think we all forgot about the effect of the pyrotechnics, which "spreads 20 feet in all directions and lasts for 1 round per caster level. All sight, even darkvision, is ineffective in or through the cloud. All within the cloud take –4 penalties to Strength and Dexterity (Fortitude negates). These effects last for 1d4+1 rounds after the cloud dissipates or after the creature leaves the area of the cloud." What is the DC? We'll need FORT saves from the demons, the guard below them, Munafiq, the second Azata, Aldo, the upstairs vampire, and the water elemental. For anyone who fails, the effect with last for Pyrotechnics effect: 1d4 + 1 ⇒ (4) + 1 = 5 rounds.
What I'm going to say is that, instead of spreading instantly, the cloud of choking smoke spread on Ion's action this round, enveloping all those who had been within 20 feet of the edge of the fire (or who moved into that area this round).
Tarcinzia lies unconscious and bleeding.
Oldrich takes a five foot step to the square between the vampire and the fallen guard, grabs Raven's Head, and swings at the vampire, but misses from making an off balance attack.
The vampire tales an attack of opportunity and swings at Oldrich while he is picking up the mace, but the attack clangs off Oldrich's buckler.
The guard at the bottom of the steps takes a five foot step to assume a flanking position against the vampire and strikes powerfully with his sword, narrowly missing.
The remaining guard holding off the Nabasu valiantly swings at one, but fails to connect. He bravely holds his position to defend his allies below.
Ion and Munafiq are both up, no need to wait for one or the other!
Behind GM Screen:
Tarcinzia stablize check: 1d20 ⇒ 3
She fails, so her HP are now -8.
Oldrich attack: 1d20 + 7 + 2 + 5 + 3 ⇒ (5) + 7 + 2 + 5 + 3 = 22
Vampire AoO: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (6) + 16 = 22
Guard attack on Vampire: 1d20 + 13 + 4 ⇒ (7) + 13 + 4 = 24
Guard attack on Nabasu: 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (6) + 13 = 19
The Nabasu demon next to Arthen moves behind her, offers up a toothy grin, fingers one of many bones hanging on a necklace around its neck, and casts silence.
The two Nabasus at the top of the stairs cast spells and calmly reach out to touch the guard at the top. The terrified guard takes attacks of opportunity against both demons, but misses both times. The wily guard, however, manages to dodge both attacks, and the demons utter frustrated growls.
Behind the GM Screen:
Arthen Perception: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (18) + 7 = 25
Guard attack: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (4) + 16 = 20
Nabasu touch attack: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (1) + 9 = 10
Nabasu touch attack: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (2) + 9 = 11
The demon seethes in frustration as it tries to strike a blow while Arthen calls upon Calistria. The water elemental extinguishes the remainder of the fire on the end of the hallway AWAY from the stairs, because it cannot reach the fire in the portion towards the stairs without leaving its position.
The vampire in the basement focuses on the most immediate existential threat: the guard holding Raven's Head. He knocks the guard unconscious with two glancing blows that would have had little impact but for the tremendous strength the vampire put behind each. A third attack misses Oldrich.
The vampire in the main room upstairs drops his crossbow, moves to the square next to the water elemental while drawing his sword, and strikes at the Bralani Azata. It hits, but the poorly aimed blow is unable to do enough damage to penetrate the Azata's DR.
As the vampire moves by, the water elemental takes the opportunity to make a slam attack, but it fails to connect.
Behind the GM Screen:
Longsword: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (19) + 16 = 35
Longsword: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (4) + 16 = 20
Guard One HP: -2
Longsword: 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (10) + 11 = 21
Longsword: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (5) + 16 = 21
water elemental slam: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (4) + 5 = 9
The fire spreads to the West, covering D-7 and C-7, where Quinley and the remaining Azata are. Fire damage this round is 5 HP.
Aldo continues to risk the fire and takes a five foot step to C-10, next to the water elemental and diagonal to Munafiq. He unleashes a blinding barrage of attacks on Munafiq. If Munafiq AC is 29, Aldo hits twice for 13 and 11 points of damage.
In the basement, 2 of the ghouls charge Ion and try to bite him. The guard wielding Raven's Head gets an attack of opportunity on the first ghoul, who amazingly resists the disruption effect, but can't survive the inherent destructive powers of the artifact. The second ghoul reaches Ion but misses with a bite. The third and fourth ghouls almost reach Ion, but instead attack the guard with Raven's Head. One astonishingly manages to bite the guard, for 7 points of damage, but the guard clearly shakes off the paralysis effect.
ARTHEN IS UP!
Behind GM Screen:
Fire 1: 1d20 ⇒ 16
Fire 2: 1d20 ⇒ 5
Fire damage: 1d6 ⇒ 5
Save for scarf: 1d20 + 18 ⇒ (16) + 18 = 34
Bladed scarf: 1d20 + 19 ⇒ (4) + 19 = 23
Confirm critical?: 1d20 + 19 ⇒ (8) + 19 = 27
Bladed scarf damage: 1d6 + 8 ⇒ (5) + 8 = 13
Haste: round 4 of 5
G1 AoO: 1d20 + 16 ⇒ (14) + 16 = 30
Ghoul 2 bite: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (4) + 3 = 7
Ghoul confirm crit: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (9) + 3 = 12
Because I would really like to finish this round before tonight, I am going to skip ahead to the guards, who go at the bottom of the round. If something Ion does changes things -- such as if the Azata 1 or Erinyes kill a guard -- we can easily adjust.
The guard attacking the first Bralani Azata yells out, "Men, we must deliver mightier blows to overcome the defenses of these outsiders!". He takes a step into a flanking position, grasps his longsword with both hands, and comes down with a mighty blow on the Azata's whirling shoulder, for 31 points of damage.
The guards attacking the Erinyes, also assume flanking positions and, like the other guard, grasp their longswords with both hands and make powerful swings. The first connects on the devil's side for 25 points of damage. The second hits at a faulty angle and fails to penetrate the creature's tough hide.
Of course, none of the PCs see any of this.
Tarcinzia and Ion hear more of the same bellowing voice coming from the basement: "Don't attack those otherworlders, you fools! Clear you heads! Slay the undead! Those are our foes! And find the Raven's Head!"
Behind GM Screen:
Longsword: 1d20 + 13 + 2 ⇒ (12) + 13 + 2 = 27
Longsword damage: 2d8 + 19 ⇒ (4, 8) + 19 = 31
Longsword: 1d20 + 13 + 2 ⇒ (10) + 13 + 2 = 25
Longsword: 1d20 + 13 + 2 ⇒ (2) + 13 + 2 = 17
Tarcinzia Perception: 1d20 + 22 ⇒ (15) + 22 = 37
As Tarcinzia pounds into the vampires (in all likelihood destroying the first but failing to destroy the second), a booming voice emerges from below, "The abomination responsible for this will feel my vengeance!"
Tarcinzia is too gleefully distracted to see what is happening below, Ion is too otherwise occupied, and the others cannot see.
Behind the GM Screen:
Tarcinzia Perception: 1d20 + 22 ⇒ (1) + 22 = 23
Ion Perception: 1d20 + 11 ⇒ (2) + 11 = 13
Hearing mention of Raven's Head, Oldritch shakes off Radvir's influence, initiates undead bane, and sends a bolt into the ghoul at the bottom of the stairs, felling it.
Heavy Crossbow: 1d20 + 13 ⇒ (3) + 13 = 16
Vampire 1 will save: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (19) + 12 = 31
Ion is up and has a heck of a lot to do!! And I need saving throws and other rolls and info from others...
... For 13 points of damage. It yells out "Look out! This one has the Raven's Head mace!
At that moment, it becomes fully visible, as well as the vampire grappling Ion. One is male and one is female and both are dressed in fineres. Also, the shop manager, Aldo, appears next to Quinley in D-9, wielding a razor sharp bladed scarf.
The Nabasu demon near the second Azata, moves to C-3 and casts a spell. Tarcinzia feels a violent thrust of force against her. DC 19 will save to avoid being thrown down the stairs.
The Nabasu demon in C-12 casts a spell. DC 21 will save for Munafiq., Quinley, Arthen, and the second Azata to avoid being held still.
The last Nabasu demon, in the main room, disappears and then re-appears in square D-7, next to Arthen, Quinley, and the second Azata.
Behind GM Screen:
Fort save: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (15) + 9 = 24
Fort save: 1d20 + 9 ⇒ (16) + 9 = 25
Oldrich will save: 1d20 + 12 + 2 ⇒ (12) + 12 + 2 = 26
The vampire in the basement is flanking the Erinyes (along with a ghoul and two guards). It unleashes three quick strikes at the Erinyes with its longsword, hitting three times for 14, 12, and 16 damage.
The vampire in the main showroom sheathes its longsword and pulls out its crossbow.
The vampire grappling Ion attempts to pin him. If a 19 succeeds, it drains blood from Ion, doing 1 point of CON damage.
The vampire next to Tarcinzia looks at the Raven's Head mace and it's eyes widen. The vampire then takes a five foot step to C-2 and blasts Tarcinzia with 4 magic missiles for
behind GM Screen:
Longsword: 1d20 + 16 + 2 ⇒ (17) + 16 + 2 = 35
Longsword damage: 2d8 + 9 ⇒ (2, 3) + 9 = 14
Longsword: 1d20 + 16 + 2 ⇒ (7) + 16 + 2 = 25
Longsword damage: 1d8 + 9 ⇒ (7) + 9 = 16
Longsword: 1d20 + 11 + 2 ⇒ (16) + 11 + 2 = 29
Longsword damage: 1d8 + 9 ⇒ (1) + 9 = 10
Pin attempt: 1d20 + 12 ⇒ (7) + 12 = 19
Blood drain: 1d4 ⇒ 1
Knowledge religion: 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (5) + 10 = 15
Magic missiles: 4d4 + 4 ⇒ (1, 1, 4, 3) + 4 = 13 This is a dice expression.
The hallway alongside the dressing rooms has turned into a raging inferno. Those in the hallway, other than Ion, Tarcinzia, and the two vampires next to them, take Fire: 1d6 ⇒ 1 damage. The fire will reach Ion's end of the hallway at the start of the next round.
Additionally, the room is choked with smoke. Everyone (including Ion and Tarcinzia's) has 20% concealment and must make DC 10 fortitude saves or spend the round choking. If a number of saves are failed equal to a character's CON modifier, that character falls unconscious.
Finally, if characters engulfed in fire do not leave the area of the fire and extinguish the fire on their person, combustible equipment may take fire damage.
For the record, the fire was caused by the fireball, which expressly sets things on fire, rather than the scorching Rays, which were targeted and by the rules did not even set their targets on fire. (Strangely enough, by RAW the fireball did not set its victims on fire, but it did set the hallway on fire.)
Remember that Munafiq does not actually know what happened to Arthen. I think I really want to start being a lot more serious about separating player and character knowledge. So, why does it make sense for Munafiq to stop in front of Arthen instead of attacking the demon he can easily reach? I don't think it does. Munafiq doesn't really have any idea what has been happening in the hallway, does he?
A couple problems with your post, Munafiq. (1) You're currently inside a dressing room and can't strike anything in the hallway. and (2) As I understand the rules, it takes a standard action to search two squares for an invisible opponent. I'm not aware of a provision for taking a full attack, and using all your strikes to find and then further attack invisible opponents. Here are the rules:
And particularly this language:
"A creature can grope about to find an invisible creature. A character can make a touch attack with his hands or a weapon into two adjacent 5-foot squares using a standard action. If an invisible target is in the designated area, there is a 50% miss chance on the touch attack. If successful, the groping character deals no damage but has successfully pinpointed the invisible creature’s current location. If the invisible creature moves, its location, obviously, is once again unknown."
The furiously whirling Bralani Azata delivers a devastating blow to the ghoul as it runs past, blasting rotting flesh off bone, but failing to entirely stop the ghoul's advance. The ghoul then staggers past the Erinyes, who, bow in hand, is helpless to stop the ghoul's advance to the bottom of the stairs.
Quinley lashes out with his rapier in the area next to him, searching for the invisible assailant who attacked Arthen (the square to his left and the square above/behind him to the left), without success. "Show yourself! I will have vengeance on those who killed my mother!"
He then moves forward into the square left of Arthen.
BEHIND GM SCREEN:
Keep these rules in mind: http://www.pathfinder-srd.nl/wiki/Invisibility
Quinley's miss chance in pinpointing Radvir: 1d100 ⇒ 7
As the vampire sorcerer's web dissolves to nothing, flames lick around the party in what used to be an elegantly appointed hallway outside a series of dressing rooms.
Quinley and Arthen see several ghouls leap into the basement through the hole in the ceiling. The Erinyes and Bralani Azata see three ghouls jump acrobatically into the basement. The first rushes the stairs, and reaches the first steps, 10 feet diagonally behind Tarcinzia (the stairs are actually 15 feet in length, not 10 feet as shown on the map). The ghoul provokes attacks of opportunity from the Erinyes (who is holding her bow) and the whirlwind Azata. The second ghoul joins the guard threatening the Azata. And the third ghoul joins the two guards threatening the Erinyes. Tarcinzia hears (and smells) their approach, and of course sees the one who ends up below her on the stairs.
Arthen's turn, and the Ion's summoned creatures' attacks of opportunity!
GM Screen NO PEEKING:
R takes 5 foot step into archway next to Quinley, takes out potion of haste, and quaffs it.
Stealth: 1d20 + 25 + 20 ⇒ (8) + 25 + 20 = 53
Three ghouls jump through the hole. One takes some nonlethal damage, but it is unimportant.
A Perception: 1d20 + 7 ⇒ (9) + 7 = 16
Ghoul Acrobatics: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (13) + 4 = 17
Yay, Arthen is here! (Another awesome photo!) And that means she can make Ion get up here too! Especially since the Arten of that photo is very clearly used to getting people to do what she wants.
I'm pretty sure that's the right initiative order. Seems like the next step is for Ion to get on here and for me to kick off the round. I don't have what I need on me, and I have a zillion things to do, so it will need to wait. But I guess if I don't add much of descriptive frills I should be able to get something up by tomorrow. I'll e-mail to let you know when I do.
Munafiq and Tarcinzia: Could you please share your photos of the map layout via e-mail or dropbox?