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Wolfgang Baur wrote:
Shadowsigma wrote:

That book is huge!

It looks like the timelines are pretty detailed.
Besides this Midgard Worldbook is there another book recommended to start in the setting? Or should this be enough?

That book is plenty to start with! If you are looking for more 5E character options, the next one to pick up would be the Midgard Heroes Handbook, which has details for the new races (bearfolk, trollkin, etc), the 50 subclasses, and about a dozen new Divine Domains (Beer, Justice, Mountains, and Speed, among others). And 300 new spells.

It's totally playable *without* the Handbook, of course!

Sorry to resurect an old thread, but I recently started up a new campaign and am using your Gryphon Legacy as the base background and was wondering if it is part of the Midgard world? If not did you ever expand upon it?

I've played it long ago and had a fantastic campaign where the main players were actually assassins. It went long enough where every character was over 10th lvl and they found a deserted city and were making it their own.

The timeline of the new campaign is 2 years later and the old characters will now be NPCs who don't directly hurt the players, but screw with them cause, well, that's just what they'd do. :p


Will this ever be reprinted? I was going to buy the series, but this one is not in print. I looked elsewhere and the only copies are on Amazon or other resellers for $88 up to well over $300 for one copy of just this. PDF's are not as useful and thus won't buy the series if that's the only option. Hope this gets reprinted!


I'm along Kestrel's line of thinking. I see the grid as an abstract thing, just a convience for bookkeeping.

I am running a game were my players are serving the goddess of death and darkness. They are using the old ruins of a city that once belonged to her worshipers as a base. So much of the foundations are there already. I have an old copy of the City State of the World Emporer and having made a clean copy for me to save I'm erasing all my old notes and they are using it as the basis for their town. There'll be sections of walls I'll note that are knocked down and other areas that have crumbled over the centuries.

Saying the above they are still using the KB grid sheet to build their districts. Since 1 house/lot equals 250 people we are making that 1 house be a block of homes on the big map. The only limitations will be the stated ones per the book, For example, you want a tavern? Fine, but there needs to be housing nearby and so on down the line.


About to start a zero magic campaign for 4 of my friends. Right now the classes are 3 gunslingers, of varying archetypes, and 1 alchemist.

Basing it in a 3 Musketeers style world where magic once existed, but the portal to other dimensions was closed off cutting off access to the gods and their blessings and magic in general.

The initial quest will be for the gunslingers, working as a type of king's musketeers, to escort this low level alchemist to a neighboring kingdom to get a neutralize poison potion and return in time to save the king's daughter who was poisoned by some unknown person.

We've been working on the balancing issues, many good ones mentioned in this thread, and now to try it out. If the group likes it we'll continue it and maybe even have them try to figure out how their world was cutoff from the other dimensions and to possibly reverse the process.


Running a fun little evil campaign where the 2 characters are serving the goddess of death and darkness. They are an anti-paladin and inquisitor. The AP is pretending to be a noble and the inquisitor is pretending to be his bodyguard and man servent. The exasperated looks of the inquisitor over the foppish antics of the ap is proving quite fun and they are proving to be a quite effective duo. :)


4 greater magic weapon spells lasting 10 hours each? If my often faulty math is correct it brings the value to 1200 gold. Something that a bunch of low levels wouldn't have, but she knows this.

As the player I would ask the dm what type of hual do we think we'll make on this strike run? Then I'd do Kydeem's math and offer her 1/4 of the take. Half would be the max offer as anything more than that the run becomes pretty much an xp run with little loot as it would be going to her.


Well, as I said I'd try and find out what she wants and from that figure out what I, as a low level character, could provide.

I'd also need to know what she has to offer. Straight coin? Spell enhancements? If so, what ones? Gear? Magical or non-magical?

It'd also depend on what character, class/race/alignment, that I was playing on how exactly I'd proceed.

Let's say I'm a lvl 1 fighter and she has a masterwork sword that would certainly make my life easier, but I don't have the gold for it. My offer would be it's value in goods she is looking for, such as a certain amount of a rare red mushroom that grows in a cave that I already planned on exploring. Of course I'd need the sword upfront to be able to successfully explore the cave. ;)


For me it'd be barganing time. I'd look to find out what she wants and if I could help supply it. You mention she's looking for operatives to help collect these items she programmed to supply to her creator. So I'd be looking to do some deals and then let the diplomacy rolls fall where they may. :)

Cool idea by the way, good campaign starter


Cool link Geraint! I may ping him myself, both to thank him for the Gryphon Legacy and to poke him to continue the series. :)


Thanks Knick! And thanks everyone else for replying, agreeing with me or not, made for an informative thread.

Now to log and prep for my game. The group will at long last be storming the castle they've been traveling to. Using the 3.5 d20 module Gryphon's Legacy written by Wolfgang Baur. Have used that world as a basis for several games, really like it. Does Wolfgang work for Paizo? Something I read awhile back made me think he did, oh yes here it is, he's listed in the credits in the front of the DM guide. If you see him thank him for me for the great module. Oh maybe ask him to finally do Zombie wood the followup module. :p I'd get both modules if they were converted to Pathfinder. :)

Thanks again all


First, thank you very much for your time answering my questions, I really do appreciate it!

Responding in order of your response:

Can see your point of Amazon continueing to lower their prices as that's what they do. So no arguement there, but if you were closer in price, still above them, but closer both me and my coworker would buy here, but $25 vs. $40 is a big difference.

Don't completely agree on the second response. Borders bookstore has gone out of business. Barnes & Noble is struggling and according to a recent story they are cutting the amount of books they will carry at their stores. Everything will still be available online of course, but the walk in buy options will be limited. I think they may be in trouble as once a person goes online that person may shop around and buy elsewhere if it's cheaper. Other bookstores are struggling as well. Game stores are closing left and right, at least in the DC area where I live. So I would think, and may be and probably am wrong, but that Amazon's percentage almost has to be growing.

Still you've answered my questions and I will admit that there's definitely parts of the industry I don't understand and as a successful business you guys obviously do understand. So once again thank you for responding to my questions.


Sorry Graywulfe, didn't mean to irritate. Honestly. But I was also a little irritated myself, that not one other person felt as I do or at least was willing to say so. Especially as anyone I've spoken to in person has agreed with me, so I guess it was a little dig at those people whole secretly agreed, but wouldn't speak up.

I too have looked at Gencon ad's in the back of Dragon mags since the '80s and the Paizocons for the past 2 years and wished I could go. And as I said above the I only have the one sub as I cannot afford anymore and to be honest really shouldn't be doing this one, but I need my little outlet.


Ah, OK. Worth knowing that certain items can be canceled if they aren't to my taste. Thanks!


Unseelie, a mostly unrelated to the thread question, I see you're enrolled in every or darn near every subscription Paizo has, does your discounts for purchases stack? I ask, not to use towards the thread topic, but I have considered some of the other subscriptions, but overall cost of multiple subs has held me back, but stacking discounts could balance it out for me.


Interesting idea! I'd purchase AP specific cases/boxes especially if they had artwork from the AP on it.


What we agreed on, my coworker and I, was exactly what I said, which was that if the prices were at least close we would make all of our Pathfinder purchases here.

Though your comments made me think of something I missed earlier, if Paizo cannot afford to match Amazon's prices, which I can understand, can they afford to be losing so many sales to Amazon as the average buyer would logically purchase there vs. here? That is a large revenue loss. So while I totally agree with Liz Courts' comment about having the product out there in many more places to be seen and thus grow the player base, I have to ask at what point does the improved player base revenue increase get off balanced by the lost sales revenue? Something I'm positive Paizo has looked at and probably continues to watch.

So, my questions, have answers which I will never be 100% privy to because I'm not a Paizo employee. :p

By the way, sorry if my above post came across a bit as bashing Paizo. Was not my intention just meant to point out areas of the CEO's statements that didn't make sense to me. Paizo has a great product and has already provided dozens of hours of entertainment and I'm sure will provide hundreds if not thousands of hours more in the future. :)


Quick response, Evil Lincoln, I made the purchase the morning of the thread which was yesterday, but it was not new release items.


Interesting and thanks Feytharn. Good find.

My problem is the prices aren't even close. Just one of the 4 items I just bought at Amazon was $25 vs. $40+ here even after my 15% discount. Big difference, especially when you are buying 4 items and only 1 of which is not a book.

Next shipping becomes free at Amazon once you get over a certain order total. That doesn't happen here, least not regularly.

Next orders ship within 24 hours from Amazon which almost never happens here. Friend of mine ordered a set of dice here June 24th and they have yet to ship and are not listed as on backorder.

Lastly, friendly service, I do get friendly service here, no question, but I've also always received good service at Amazon.

So while I and people like me would love to support Paizo and only purchase here we are like the CEO and do not have a billion dollars to spend as we wish. I do still make purchases here when I can, I am waiting on an order as I write this, "Airship Pirates: Under the lamplight".

Was chatting with a coworker during lunch about this and we both agreed if the prices were even close we'd both buy here vs. Amazon as we'd prefer to throw our support fully behind Paizo, but using my most recent purchase as an example, the final price difference for the 4 items was roughly $40. Enough to buy another book and get dinner.

So while I cannot argue with the CEO's statement that they cannot compete with Amazon, they can put their prices at a point where those of us who are not independently wealthy could buy here. I say this because a $15/book price difference is more than Amazon can make up on those percentages from third party sellers.

But I will stop this thread now as I must be the only non-wealthy Pathfinder player as not 1 person has agreed with me. :p

Thanks all for the interesting discussion!


Ah but both of you are missing that other retailers are already dealing with Amazon and thus what Paizo does has zero effect on them as Amazon is way bigger.

Plus D/A's wholesale prices are based on what price they pay Paizo. They are still making a profit on the price they sell to Amazon. While Amazon may sell at little or no profit and make money on shipping charges it's still higher than the price that Paizo sold to D/A.

As for the subscribers getting things first that is not the items I'm discussing. You are completely correct, but I'm buying things that have been out awhile. I mentioned subscribers as we get discounts on many items we purchase here and thus we would actually get a price below the Amazon price, but that would not hurt retailers as subscribers do not make up the vast majority of buyers.

By the way both very good points brought up by you 2


Ah, but you could match Amazon and then have members who are subscribers be below Amazon without being unfair to anyone as those members are paying for that privilege. Amazon's shipping is significantly faster than what Paizo can comfortably match and thus they would still have a certain advantage in that field.

Amazon is the biggest retailer and thus their price is the benchmark for retail, at least for online purchases. Walmart would likely be the brick & mortar benchmark.


LOL OK, you win. I know better than to argue with a Gninja. :p

Thanks for all the input people. I don't feel as if I'm betraying Paizo by purchasing elsewhere. There's still plenty of things I will buy here, but will listen to my wallet and buy certain things elsewhere. :)


Good 'nuff. I cannot argue with that. But that may mean fewer cookies for the Gninja if too much gets purchased elsewhere ;)


On the FLGS front I see both sides and miss the ones that have faded away in my area. There's one left in my area and it's a major meeting spot. I hope it survives a long while yet. Though it's sister store that was very conviently located near my work closed with virtually zero warning. They cited low profits as the store did not get the level of business the other one did even though it was right across the street from a very popular mall and had housing close by.

As for buying from Paizo for the pdf, that is only of use to me if the product is small. A 100+ page document is a pain to access in pdf form compared to flipping thru a book. Saying that, I have purchased pdf's of smaller things, such as modules, because I can read them while on my lunch hour or print out maps or other handouts for my players.

The reason I started the thread was because I went to purchase a few items and saw more than just a small difference in price and wondered at it. I honestly did not think of brick and mortar stores at all. In my opinion a B&M store has the advantage of immediate gratification on it's side. So it can be a bit higher due to both lack of shipping costs and the "get it now" factor. I know that's just me because if it were really true B&M stores would be doing much better. Internet wins due to the laziness factor, aka have it delivered to my door.


OK, I see what you all are saying, but as I am not independently wealthy, I and the rest of the 99% must buy where the prices are the lowest.

If that is the plan, as it certainly appears to be, than Paizo would be better off selling thru Amazon vs. maintaining a store themselves. Advertise here, discuss here, but sell there. Once again saving money.

Though I guess by having this outlet Amazon is forced to keep it's prices at near or losing levels which is good for us. Kind of backwards logic, but works out for the gaming community in the end.


Good morning,

Just purchased some Paizo products this morning, namely the adventure path Rise of the runelords, the flip mats townsquare that match the adventure path and campaign setting: inner sea. What I'm writing about is that all the above were less expensive at Amazon than here. I'm aware of purchasing in large quantities, getting a discount and then reselling for a discount, but Paizo has the largest quantity and thus can sell for the lowest.

I am an adventure path subscriber and thus get the 15% discount and all, but the flip mats, were still cheaper at Amazon. I'd have prefered to make my purchase here, but when I added in a large gaming mat into the mix I was well over $100 even at Amazon so I had to buy at the lower price. :(

Not complaining, just letting you know so you can adjust your prices. I can't be the only person who has noticed this. Sure Paizo still make money as you sold these books to Amazon in the first place, but simply matching their price would increase sales and placing your price somewhere between what you sell to them at and what they sell at would get you even more sales.

Just a thought, enjoying the game and want you to keep making moola so you keep cranking out the creativity! :)


Is this it's own set of rules or a supplementary set for another game, such as Pathfinder?