Currently. A friend that plays nothing but Gish casters. Not magus. Not iniquistor. Not even cleric, or paladin, or bard. Or things that could be considered gishy. No. He goes Wizard. And Fighter/ranger. Then goes into eldritch knight. This has happened since 3.5 started. The same concept. He may change into other things. Like.. used to be warlock. Currently, he isn't very effective. Has alot of blasting spells, and save or die spells. So things don't always work out. So I offered him the chance to reroll as something, as long as its different from this concept and.. He refuses.
By different, I mean he can do some sort of magus type thing, but not Eldritch Knight path wise.
He is also the source of our Mysterious Stranger meme in the group.
Doesn't help that he keeps begging me to use 3.5 feats and classes and spells.
Can not say -no- enough times.
Cue up some Escaflowne. May not be new. But its good. *Shrug*
Just not the movie.
Never the movie.
One game. A long time ago.
We fought vampire ninjas.
The rules for ninjas in this game. Is that the more ninjas there are, the less powerful they are. But. When there is one ninja.
You are about to get your head chopped in nine hundred ways.
No Naruto ninjas. Please. Just die. Die now.
Especially the American Naruto Ninja.
They can especially die.
Ki is king. Especially with some of these ninja tricks. Plus. I find that playing with the Cha would just be fun anyhow.
Probably 2d8 as a two hander. Maybe a small nerf to the crit range. But otherwise. Kinda what I had in mind as well.
Also. They would be expensive. Perhaps Samurai could get some sort of additional class feature where they craft their own sword over the various levels. Doesn't even have to be magic. They could just improve it over the levels.
So at level 1? Perhaps the same stats as a bastard sword. But as they grow better in their art and their craft, they could steadily work on another sword. Change up the stats a bit more. Definitely would add even more incentive to play one.
I am finding that a bit annoying. Thematically. Cha is awesome for Ninjas.
I was going to agree with the OP, until I read this.
Just wait until they introduce the Major Artifact.
The Gatling Gun.
I play World of Warcraft.
But the moment I hear of friends wanting to play pathfinder, D&D, some white wolf game, dresden files, dark heresy, mutants and masterminds, or even some game a friend made himself called Ork Death Race, I drop World of Warcraft. Shut off my computer, and go play it. As I find it infinitely more fun than anything WoW Can offer me.
I love DMing. I love playing. Hell. I think I would love just being in the same room as people playing.
i.e. Ork Death Race is a twisted metal race game that requires no DM to run it. Everyone is an Ork, from Warhammer 40k. Well. A certain class of ork, like Mad Dok, or Mauler, or Burner. And there are several types of vehicles with different stats and speeds. Then, there are several different types of weapons. People roll an initiative of sorts, and the first round there isn't any combat allowed. After that. Do whatever you want. First one to finish the race wins. Or.. Last person alive wins the race.
Anyhow. I can't think of a game that would pull me away from Tabletop RPG gaming.
Unless its some sort of virtual reality that basically does the same thing in every respect, but over great distances.
RPGs, for life.
Its a play test.
But perhaps we should sticky a:
Then the other threads can be lovely discussion. :D
But surely. Most of my friends view the rules of guns as a bit powerful. Especially since the wording does imply that more barrels may come available. Like.. A six shooter, or a double barrel shotgun. You can bet they'll be as expensive as an adamantine masterwork bastard sword though. Perhaps the gunslinger will get crafting abilities when it comes to guns. Or. Well. Anyone would really.
Make a crafting feat even.
Or, have the misfires happen so that the first time you roll the misfire range, you have to make a certain check of a certain DC, or it breaks.
Though, I still maintain. Shooting a broken gun is realistically not intelligent. So. That point is just moot for me.
Though yes, right now. One shot type of guns at high levels are pretty weak. Fortunately ladies and gentlemen. This is a play test. Which, thank the Paizo gods they actually do. Rather than just releasing them as is telling the players. -Enjoy-! And when the players open it up, they see the CW Samurai staring them in the face.
I for one, have seen it once, and never want to see it again, thank you.
Jagyr Ebonwood wrote:
I had a group of 6 players in my game. All level one at the time. Had a fighter, barbarian, paladin, monk, wizard, and bard.
I rolled an owlbear. Now. They could of taken it, but when it charged.
The fighter, the barbarian, and even the stupid paladin ran away. Owlbear reached the squishies. Almost murdered them completely, when the -tanks- of the party finally returned.
The bard threatened them with a story of how the brave and strong fighters of the party turned tail and ran upon first sight of the dreaded monster.
Needless to say. They players have put up bounties for owlbears killed in part two..
I find female gamers to be a wonderful change to today's gaming.
Our gaming group acting needs some females in it. XD A friend and I discussed it once, out of amusement. WE decided that a lesbian D&D loving girl would be the most utter perfect addition to our group.
But. I live in Texas. East Texas. LIke. Don't think Houston. Think the closest county to Louisiana as you can possibly get. First, not many people who play D&D, second, not many women who are even interested in the concept. And. Lastly. Homosexuality is still considered taboo by the more ignorant members of the county.
Course, this same county made a petition to reinstate a police officer that got suspended due to DRUNK DRIVING in his police car, in another town, and stealing a hotel's complimentary breakfast.
Yeah. My town... Love it.. >.>
Considering both of these weapons are NEW experimental advances of technology. Perhaps Paizo should scrape the idea entirely.
New things. Brand new things. They break when you screw something up.
If one only has the willingness to enchant one gun. Perhaps they should invest in Steadfast upon their one gun. Great for musket. Perhaps a small bit of a waste for two pistols though. Quite the expenditure of gold you might say.
Though. If you are willing to use new technology that hasn't been perfected, you should expect issues like this.
More power doesn't come without consequence. Personally I find this consequence interesting. And how hard is it for one to have a crossbow on hand? Or, just another +1 pistol as -backup-. If you say that at early levels you can't afford that, then get a crossbow.
If that doesn't fit your image. Suck it up, and get a crossbow, or use the pistol.
Tell me, I implore. Why are you shooting a broken gun?
Who would try to shoot with a broken gun?
Doing that is just begging for bad things to happen. If anything, if they do change that mechanic, they should have a range of things to happen. Like maybe you can just break it further, it explodes..
Or maybe you shoot yourself in the foot.
Yeah. That brings a certain saying to mind that is relevant to that particular situation and the thread at large.
“Of course we must fear evil men, but there is another evil that we must fear more… and that is the indifference of good men.”
Sounds like the people just standing by with stupid looks on their faces should be kicked in the face just as much as the offending guy.
Just last night, I was pondering a TV show regarding people just.. playing RPGs.
But this idea sorta trumps it. Honestly. A crusade to educate those that still believe that these sort of games are a gateway to... TO be frank. Evil. Its silly for people to still think that. How could we begin to educate those that still see these sort of games as evil? Or satantic.. Or gateways to worse things.
Sean K Reynolds wrote:
I would of murdered my players with a blunt axe if they would of argued the original errata with me.
Marc Chin wrote:
That. Is an awesome idea.
I'm going to do that most likely. It would be foolish almost not to. Even if I don't get in the 32, I think it would be an honor knowing my item is already being used in games. So, perhaps the winners would enjoy knowing that as well.
Yeah. At that point. I would get a megaphone.
I would wait for the offending player to be distracted.
Then -notso- quietly tell them no.
Kevin Andrew Murphy wrote:
I would hate to have someone like you in one of my games.
Posts like that makes me rather thankful for the group I have. Just amazing.
I'm sure there are ways to cover your scent, mask your scent, or otherwise distract the dogs, using their ability to smell.
My friends tend to get annoyed when I correct a rule that, when corrected, hurts me, rather than helps me.
Its a habit.
Telling a DM that something is NOT in their game is a hilarious way to get your foot in your mouth.
Sometimes literally. XD
Players that correct me, about MY campaign. Or say metagame. Or do anything like that, find that my wrath can be swift.
Or I pull a Mr. Fishy and get a stick.
Oh god. In my game. We got the political scandal one about three times as an event.
The king was.. Quite the playboy.
Quite.. The playboy. In about a year. He is going to be owing alot of women. Alot of money.
Yes. I really, really, prefer games where we have a few wands of healing. Maybe a cleric, or oracle that have a few healing items.. Or even a witch with a few healing options.
Pure healer makes games boring. Trust me on that. If someone focuses on NOTHING but healing and buffing spells. THe game can really get boring. Brain numbingly boring.
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
Oh. NO. Worse things have happened in the infamous random campaign in my group.
Imagine if you will.
You are an orc barbarian. YOu have just experienced the most insane past 3 hours of your life. The last of which, being a duck, that refused to die. And refused to stop quacking. And.. Refused to stop staring at you. Only after finally scoring a critical hit, did its reign of terrible.
The orc sat down on a nearby decaying log. His axe at his side, buried in the mud. He took his head in his hands, groaning with utter frustration at how things could work this way.
At which point a tarrasque walks up. Sits down beside the orc. Crushing that part of the log, then in a typical sad panda voice says.
"Whats wrong buuuuddddy?"
The random campaign is not meant to be serious.
By the way. That orc just sorta went insane after that.
Klaus van der Kroft wrote:
That is horrific. That sounds like a sort of game I run every once in awhile called a Random campaign. But its not meant to be serious.. At all. Or have any continuation. Its just meant to fill a space, and be stupidly funny.
Your story gives me an idea for a random campaign.
I remember someone rolling up a cleric.
And someone getting mad at them when they cast spells that stopped combat, rather than heal others.
I was sorta amused..
(edit) I was also forced into a healing role before.
New DM. PLayers and DM DEMANDED they have a healer.
So. I took healing and buffing to 11.
I did a Radiant Servant of Pelor.
And thus all the encounters became very boring as the players couldn't even be touched. Combined with Status and greater status. My cleric could of gone to get coffee in another city. And be back just in time to give the finishing blow.
The Half-dragon fighter and the monk/warlock/enlightened fist were not amused when I soloed fights with.. Just a cleric/radiant servant build. With little to no min maxing.
That was back in 3.5
Never used cursed items in my game. Except as plot devices. The murderous berserker killing women on the edges of civilization is really a former guard for the town, transformed by a cursed sword that forces him into a rage that changes his entire being. Players were level one. They removed the curse in the only way the guard knew how.
Cutting his hand off while he held the sword.
After reading every post, on every page, upon this thread.
I find that the paizo community is full of awesome people.
Also. I find myself confused on how other men are unable to understand how to deal with a lady.
In my gaming group. When we get women in our group, we pretty much tell them that we can be rather... Uncouth. Thats a polite way of putting it. We've had different races, different genders, different sexual orientations, and different degrees of intelligence.
We make sure, that everyone knows we are offensive to all creeds. All religions. All people. Though we cease ANY such actions the moment we realize someone is offended.
We never talk about rape, except in the context of: "That hydra just raped me with all of its heads but one. The one that was spitting ice into the wounds!"
But generally we come from many different types of beliefs and such, and are all hard to offend anyhow.
As far as last straws for me. Never left games forever or gaming groups forever. Only really had this gaming group, and we've survived a very obese genius of a character that defines chaotic neutral in real life to a T. I mean. He was intelligent. Very. Intelligent. Very Charismatic. But he used these gifts to manipulate, toy, and even cruely mentally abuse a certain person in our group. Every game he ran, or played in. The sheer amount of trolling was, amazing. He did other things too. Leaving divets in floors. Breaking things in the bathroom. Stuffing pizza down his pants, and try to trick others into eating. He could be awesome, and he could be horrifying.
It was a pity he tried to be terrible just to screw with people. Because he could be purely hilarious.
Though. Last straws for me was the guy that the obese fellow liked to torment so much. He is guilty of.. Really good dice rolls when no one is watching. It has pretty much reached the point of us not caring, just so games can continue without the collective groan. At least he fails now and again, so we can hide behind our fourth wall of happiness.
When he is DMing. No one picks spells that have saving throws. No one concentrates on buffing our AC. No one tried to worry about anything that involved the DM rolling something, and beating a number we had for him to beat. His games are fun. Its just rules that we know now to do. Only once has he ever slipped up so bad, that the fourth wall crumbled down on my nerves.
It involved my monk. My monk still believed AC worked. It was a pathfinder game, and we were playing rise of the runelords. AC still worked. It was a decent amount of high. The sort of high that people would miss time to time.
Well. My friend, the DM. Doesn't miss. He doesn't miss alot. Oh well. The lucky jerk can have his dice, and kill me all he wants. Things are okay.
Then. At one combat. He isn't using a screen. He just rolls on a book, and we are at a far enough distance to not see. No worries. Combat begins. He says my character gets hit. At which point I look at him oddly. I had been watching him. Because well, he is the DM, I wanted to know the set up.
He didn't roll a single dice. He just said something along the lines of. "Well.. It hits you." We didn't get to find out how much damage it did. As my hand raised and pointed it out right there. We were friends. We can point out mistakes like this without too much rage. I pointed. Then declared.
"You didn't roll a single die!"
He didn't rage. He just stared at the die like he had just picked up a very deadly insect, that could kill in one sting, but it was dead. We laughed about it. He apologized profusely, and we decided from that point on, no matter his protests. That AC didn't matter.
Which really was quite fine. Hit points are fun.
This. For sure.
I recently constructed a level ten sniper that was hunting a level eight party. He picked up that stealthy sniper advanced talent, and still managed to have a +20 on his modifier. Unfortunately, he wasn't a halfling. Which would of given him his whole +30 modifier. Even with natural 20s, the party couldn't find him. There was almost the "Which way did the arrow come from, and where is it sticking in someone" arguement. Which was solved with a direction of "Probably north".
Also. A rogue with two daggers, that gets two weapon fighting, as well as just attack modifiers can be one hellish thing to fight. Though. That tends to only work with people to flank with.
In regards to a stealth check eventually failing.
It could also be said that using the exact logic, it will eventually succeed wonderfully.
Awfully quick to dismiss the rogue. Just because it can't hide in plain sight? That is a silly way to approach a class. You should possibly closely read the Stealth skill again. As I'm quite sure you're missing something. Also. There are tons of modifiers to increase it. Especially if you have the advanced players guide.
My first thread attempting to be made got eaten.. Completely.
So. I'm a player soon to be playing in Legacy of Fire. A rogue cut purse. Now. A little backstory would be that he is a single father, and he HAD, had his child watched over by Haleen. Judging by the description of that character trait, I imagine she would do it for less. So. He was able to earn an honest living. Though, with her disappearance, as described in the players guide, he had to have more expensive people look after his child, while he worked. Thusly, he had to become a thief of sorts just to get back.
Being more on the side of chaotic good, without any religious affinities at this early junction, he finds that tricking bullies and those working in the flesh trade into situations where stealing would be possible.
My main worry, is the constructs that watch over Katapesh. LIke.. What they see, if they can determine exactly what is going on. If they can even be bluffed or hidden from. Information like this I think the thieves of the city would know.
So. Any tips that wouldn't be considered metagaming?
Also. No spoilers of course.
Seth White wrote:
The World map thing sounds pretty cool too.
Though if Paizo could actually create dice that fills the viewer with regret, and look rather evil. Those would be cool too. Even if its just a d20.
We need some sort of computer dice that sends out holographic images of the players getting slain by a jabberwocky in some interesting yet horrifying way. Determined by a little menu that lets you change the rating, of the die. And if you want blood or not.
Perhaps a d20 that screams out "Haha. Suck to be you." When it rolls a natural 20.
Andrew Christian wrote:
I DEMAND A SET OF DICE!
With.. Odd symbols.. THAT LOOK COOL!
Yeah. Red and black dice.. With cool symbols. Made of regret and pure evil.
Think that would cover the 9 dollar payment..? XD
I never do that.
I always try to give them something useful. Since I do want them to win. I just don't want it to be easy. :P
Spes Magna Mark wrote:
In my next game where I introduce the things from bestiary 2, I think the Qlippoth would probably require summoning/binding a demon and asking IT about them.
Simon Legrande wrote:
I actually am hoarding my copy of bestiary 2.
Only showing it to people I know don't metagame.
There are two people in my group I purposely do not show it to. Aeons and Daemons need to stay secrets. <.<