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I can't shake the feeling that the two copies of the AP shipped separately mean the software generated two copies of the packing list for that.. and is seeing those as the 2 packages to be shipped.
I'm not sure why the AP volume was singled out to be separate.. that may be part of the issue. It would make sense to me to separate the number of card boxes from the books, but separating out the AP volume from the other books for shipment seems off to me.
The PDFs unlocked as expected, so the issue is not likely to be in that area, IMHO.
Edit: I do see that there's a new "soon to ship" email today, so I take it the issue is resolved?
Jason Nelson wrote:
I think the biggest issue with Second Darkness, as much as I'd love to see someone take a crack at helping it, is that the areas needing the most help are pretty Golarion-specific.
For example, one of the huge areas is that the Elves come off as unlikable pompous jerks.. not anyone adventurers are likely to *want* to help unless well paid. The issue there is very much Golarion-IP-specific:
the Winter Council
So while I think it needs
Spoiler:, I don't see those being viable.
encounters or side adventures that show the Winter Council acting as thought-police.. maybe frightening friendly Elf NPCs into being rude to the PCs, or sending them off to a correctional camp of some kind
The other area needing work is
Endless Night, which makes the PCs too "chummy" with the Drow, and does not provide enough examples of how bad they are. Some encounters or side adventures highlighting their cruelty each other and others would be beneficiai.
That last is probably more do-able by a 3pp.
There has been no sign of the larger package.. just the two copies of the AP volume, each shipped separately. I wonder if it is seeing those as "two of two shipped" and not processing the remainder?
When I view the order, the status of the larger package shows conflicting messages under "Package Tracking"... "Not yet Shipped" in bold gray, followed by "Item(s) have already shipped" in bright red and "Not Trackable" in dark red.
So there seems to be an error with my order...
At about the time the orders were to begin processing, I tried to move the items in my sidecart to the ship separately.. in order not to delay my subscriptions.
It looked like it processed, but then it looked as if the subscriptions spawned with the identical contents included.. so at that point it looked as if I had doubled my sidecart items (Pathfinder Battles Iconic Heroes set 3, and some clear card deck boxes).
I have received 2 copies of my AP subscription volume, but seen no sign of the other subscription contents. It may be that they are still in-transit, but I can't be sure what the order page is telling me.
Thanks and regards,
Mark Seifter wrote:
No FAQ required: The blog specifically indicated that it was an alternate option. (incidentally, while I'm a fan of my version from the blog, Revan did appear to have missed the high-level option in Unchained using the in-book system for a +10 equivalent weapon)
Is that in reference to the "legendary gifts"?
I am less concerned about being able to have up to +8 in total bonuses at 19th level than I am with being limited by the advancement below that.
For example, a +1 Holy Sword is a total equivalent of +3. It won't fully function until the character is level 14 (having then a +3 bonus to use on the blade); before then, it operates as a +0 Holy Sword (or +1 to attack/+0 damage from being Masterwork).
Does that qualify for penetrating DR/magic? Some GMs might say no. It certainly won't qualify for using the enhancement bonus to penetrate material-based DR... so players will more often opt for straight enhancement bonuses over special powers, I would expect (though I could be wrong).
In another thread,
Since that was one of several questions, I've broken it out here for people to make it a FAQ topic.
As published, the system is different from what was in the Unchained Blog Preview, which had a table for adding "capacity" to the weapon in addition to the Enhancement bonus.
This needs some clarification, I think.
The reality is that digital presentation tools will become a larger part of the game. While print will fade somewhat, it will likely never go away. It will become more of a prestige format, though, over time. Especially if printing costs continue to grow, and digital storage costs shrink.
And when I say "over time", I mean over a long while. People *like* the feel of print. That won't change soon.
But products like RealmWorks, which is poised to become a new alternative to PDF and Print for publishing (specifically targeted at gaming) will increasingly gain market share -- as long as they deliver on the features and potential they show now.
Increasingly, tablet-based character-tracking applications that handle rolling will become accepted and commonplace. Some people refuse them now, but that will change as the younger gamers who are used to them become the bulk of the community.
As it is now, some people choose Print or PDF based on what works best for them. As RealmWorks and similar products emerge and mature, they will increasingly become a 3rd option in that mix. Some people will continue to choose "all three" just as people now choose "both"; but everyone will settle on the mix that works best for them.
These are good points.. it is also worth noting that you can have assistants helping you. If 3 of them succeed on "Aid Another" to help, that's a +6 to your check, which means a doubling of the progress rate.
Also, as mentioned, the new system makes crafting a Masterwork Weapon a single process. In the old system, you had to craft the base item first, then work through another crafting process for it to be Masterwork (even though it was flavored as part of the same creation, so you could not add Masterwork to an existing item... hence the Masterwork Transformation spell).
Mark Seifter wrote:
Hey, now, that's appropriate for the FIRST day of April, not the LAST. :)
Thanks. I was about to make a similar post about Unchained NOT being all about killing sacred cows. I've seen that mentioned a few times, and it was never what I took from any of the descriptions of the book.
For artwork, there's the Rise of the Runelords Face Cards. You may or may not find them helpful, or find them a distraction, but they are one option. There are only a few images for the people from Sandpoint specifically, as the cards have to cover all 6 parts of the Adventure Path.
The Pathfinder Pawns line has a Rise of the Runelords pawn set. This covers the illustrated creatures from the AP, so it will not help any of the townsfolk who are not already illustrated in the AP itself.
The Pathfinder Paper Miniatures line has a package for the townsfolk of Sandpoint, in addition to the specific sets for the AP itself. These provide more individual characters than the pawns or the face cards, and may make a good option even if you just show the art rather than use them as miniatures.
Big Finish productions has does an Audio Drama adaptation of the entire AP, in 6 parts (6 CDs or 6 digital downloads). If you are looking for ideas on how to the play some of the characters, you might find them helpful (to hear one way of presenting them, anyway).
Syrinscape has also licensed Rise of the Runelords for their Fantasy Aucio line. They've put together background sounds and sound effects collections for each part of each of the 6 adventures in the AP.
Aside from accessories, when it comes to making characters distinctive, mannerisms and speech patterns help a lot.
You don't need to be a great voice actor to make their speech different. For one PC I played, I made sure to end most of his paragraphs with a question ("We should do THIS, yes?" or "We should do THAT, no?"). You can get the same by adding some small bits like "hmm, yes" to a character (Brodert Quink) or a distinctive phrase based on the deity for a Cleric of any sort (maybe make frequent references to "balancing the scales" for a Cleric or Paladin of Abadar, for example).
For mannerisms, maybe Brodert Quink always adjusts his spectacles while talking, or the Cleric of Abadar gestures with her hands as if weighing something in each.
How much of the Campaign Setting material do you have available? Inner Sea Magic and Occult Mysteries both have some updates that would be applicable converting the AP from 3.5 --> Pathfinder.
You might also benefit from the Green Ronin product "Advanced Race Guide: Drow".. this is a 3.5 update of the 3.0 sourcebook "Plot & Poison". The double shortsword used later in the AP came from this material, and Paizo has used other bits. One that might be interesting is instead of a Kensai Magus, make Depora a Dominant and her sidekick(s) (a) Submissive(s).
If you do go the Pain Taster route, the Prestige Class was updated for Pathfinder in Occult Mysteries.
Fleshwarps and the like also got some updates in Inner Sea Magic. The Inner Sea Bestiary (I think) has stats for some of the Fleshwarps that are only mentioned by name in the AP. There is also more in a volume of Wayfinder dedicated to the Darklands.
There is a Cyphermage Prestige Class in "Inner Sea Magic", and there is the opportunity to write up the Cyphermages as a Magic School using the rules from that book.
Using the Factions (from the "Faction Guide", including the Light Bearers/Shin'Rakorath) is a good way to represent political back-and-forth. The Magic Schools are variants of the Factions, so the rules are similar.
Creating the Winter Council as a new Faction is something I'm considering.
Additionally, Ultimate Campaign has mechanics for the PCs to build their own organization(s).
I'd vote Second Darkness ... for a few reasons.
1) The background narrative is integral to the history of Golarion on a more sweeping scale than Curse of the Crimson Throne
2) Its potential was not realized, and that's something a revision could correct.
3) As noted, the support products for it could use a re-vamp. While Into the Darklands and The Great Beyond have not been altered much by the passage of time, additional looks would not hurt. I think all of the relevant stat-blocks from those have been updated by now, so new creatures would be welcome. Elves of Golarion, on the other hand, was done for 3.5 and in the transition period in which Paizo was trying not to put new mechanics in sourcebooks. Some details of the Elves need to be corrected (sleeping vs meditating, for one), and the various Ethnicities need to be defined. We have the Snowcasters, but we only have the Half-Elf versions of the Ekujae and the Spire Elves.
Ultimate Trade.. something that expands on the trade rules for kingdoms, but also incorporates and updates the Caravan rules from Jade Regent (expansion for other caravan types, such as merchant caravans) and includes some options for shipping (possibly borrowing elements from the plunder rules in Skull & Shackles)
I am interested in Realms works, but I don;t see this happening as if it has all the info then would you really need the APs. Which cuts that revenue from paizo,
Not necessarily. In a licensing deal, the licensee (LoneWolf) typically pays part of the money to the licensor (Paizo). Similarly, Paizo sells the physical copies to a distributor for a portion of the list price. The Distributor sells them to stores for a larger portion of the list price, and the store sells the physical copies for whatever portion of the list price they feel is appropriate.
In other words, Paizo would be getting a share of the money from the sale of the licensed products. They could also choose to sell the content directly through the RealmWorks Marketplace (when that is available; it is not implemented at the moment), but given how their staff is already stretched somewhat producing what they do now, it is likely to be more worthwhile for them to license it rather than dedicating staff to what amounts to an entirely new format of publishing.
If RealmWorks takes off, publishers might then find it more workable to have in-house conversions done, but while it is new and unproven, licensing probably makes more sense.
I have not used Realmswork as I have a Mac and am waiting for it to come out in browser form which they said is what they are working on.
It is likely to be a while before there is a full-featured web-based version. A player version of the thick application is the current goal. There are several important features to be implemented still to the "core" program, though. Adding features to the web client will happen, but I would not expect to see a fully-featured web client for the GM for some time.
Cranky Dog wrote:
Actually, that is probably not the case.
The HeroLab content is based on the published game mechanics stats of the creatures in the APs. All of that is open content, and the public can prepare copies of the stat blocks of creatures in HeroLab freely.
HOWEVER, by comparison, the plot and story details of the APs, which is what RealmWorks facilitates managing, is protected Intellectual Property. Some art has been shared on the Blog, and can (probably) be used under the Community Use Policy.. but there is a great deal of other art that is not so available, and use would be in violation of Paizo's intellectual property rights.
I am not a lawyer, but that fundamental difference means that community sharing will be limited to your own creations.. copies of any publisher's content will only occur with a license from that publisher. At least, that's my current understanding.
There's a treatment of the Hook Mountain area in one of the Wayfinders (#9?) as a Kingmaker-style exploration map.
I've considered the same, but the area is kind of small for that hex treatment. The hexes are 12-miles across, but each square on the Bloodsworn Vale map is only 2, so there might be some re-arranging required to keep things from winding up in a small number of hexes.
You know that's the kind of book that publishers do when they're finished with one edition and preparing for the next. Compendiums are the "Cleanup" books that the more junior designers and developers hone their skills on while the senior people work on the next edition.
That's also why they don't go out of date.. they're the death-knell of the current edition.
Actually, the APs did not routinely show the expected level progressions until after Second Darkness was published.
Keep in mind, too, that the AP was published under 3.5, so the "Fast" XP track for Pathfinder is most appropriate.
Also, there is a mention in Armageddon Echo (in the text or a sidebar; I don't have my copy in front of me at the moment) that the PCs will likely be short of the expected level.. so that GMs can provide some customized encounters for their group while journeying... so, the PCs are *not* expected to end Book 2 at the levels recommended for Book 3.
The Rulebooks line contains almost no world information, other than the deities. The books in the rulebook line are intended to provide the framework for games set in any world.
Inner Sea Primer (from the Pathfinder Player Companion line) contains a good introduction to the Inner Sea region of Golarion, intended for players. It is generally spoiler-free.
The Inner Sea World Guide (from the Pathfinder Campaign Setting line) is a more GM-oriented introduction to the Inner Sea region, with much more information and some spoilers for things hinted at in the Inner Sea Primer.
There is a similar Dragon Empires Primer for players for the quasi-Asian part of Golarion. The Dragon Empires Gazetteer is much smaller than the Inner Sea World Guide (64 pages vs 256) as there has been much less focus and development on the quasi-Asian region. Almost all other products are eared toward the Inner Sea region, which is the analogue to the Mediterranean/Europe/Africa of Golarion.
The books in the Campaign Setting line tend to be more GM-oriented and flesh out the details of a topic. Some are regional (such as Rule of Fear, about the land of Ustalav), while others (such as Inner Sea Magic and Inner Sea Combat) span the larger region of the Inner Sea discussing how that topic is seen in each land there.
The books in the Player Companion line are more geared for both GM and players, providing player-friendly information and rules elements suitable to the subject. Like the Campaign Setting line, a Player Companion can focus on a region of the Inner Sea (like Varisia) or a subject across the entire area (liks Knights of the Inner Sea).
Adventure Paths are pretty much entire campaigns of linked adventures. They often include gazetteers on topics that are relevant to the story in the Adventure Path.. sometimes detailing a city/town, sometimes a region, and sometimes expanding the details of life for a creature or creature type. If you intend to use them, the adventures are GM-oriented and players may not enjoy them as much if they have read through them.. they will not be surprised when they should be by the plot twists, for example, and will "know" the secrets their characters are trying to discover. These volumes try to include something worth reading for everyone.
Modules are pretty much GM-oriented for the same reasons as the adventure parts of the Adventure Paths. They do provide background for the adventure that sometimes expands on the campaign setting as a whole.
There's also the Guide to Korvosa, a 3.5-era city book.
City of Strangers may be too far inland for a set focused on the coast, but perhaps not. If not, then the modules Seven Swords of Sin, Feast of Ravenmoor, and the Godsmouth Heresy could be candidates.
Other books have touched on content.. Cyphermages from Inner Sea Magic, for example, or Riddleport Pirates from Pirates of the Inner Sea.
We Be Goblins and We Be Goblins Too.. perhaps Squealy Nord will be immortalized in plastic?
There appears to be a little error in the blurb:
Lost Coast is the latest 45-figure set release in the award-winning Lost Coast line of miniatures from Paizo and WizKids Games!
The bolded part should be "Pathfinder Battles", I think.
Otherwise, as a "frontier" region, the Lost Coast and Varisia offer lots of variety for a non-AP-themed set to draw on. That it will happen to also be useful for people running 4 different APs in the surrounding area is good, as well.
Also, has PF come up with the Organization rules that 3.5 Player's Handbook 2 had? Because that'd be nice way to deal with joining organizations (getting perks, mechanically and fluff-wise).
The answer is somewhat off-topic for this product.
The closest match is the Faction Guide, which outlines various organizations and defines how PCs can work with them. Inner Sea Magic and Inner Sea Combat present school organizations (for spellcasters and for non-spellcasters, respectively) in a similar manner.
The core of these is modeled on the PFS organized play system; earning Prestige for a total Fame score. PCs can "spend" Prestige points to obtain goods or services, rank, and organization-specific perks ("vanities").
A similar but scaled-down and organization-independent version of the same system appears in Ultimate Campaign as well.
There is not as much about the PCs starting and growing their own organizations. Pretty much all of them assume the organization is larger than the PCs throughout their careers.
I just wanted to chime in, in case it helps with decisions in future.. I have loved seeing Incantations in other Kobold Press/Open Design products... and been unhappy that there were not clearer directions to help newcomers find the basic rules. *I* know they're from Unearthed Arcana and in the SRD... but a new reader isn't guaranteed to. So, I'd prefer to see an explicit statement "you can find the basic rules...", especially in a magic-focused book like Deep Magic. It is more questionable to include in a less focused book, I think.
Otherwise, very happy with my copy. Though I also agree that involving the backers in proof-reading before committing to print might be a good plan. The issue there, I suspect, is making sure that doesn't throw off the delivery schedule. There are probably as many folks who would push for early delivery regardless of errors as there are folks who would advocate later with more proof-reading.
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal wrote:
Irnk, the description of the list of 5 for each deity is just the most common. The Aligned Class class feature just says "pick a class you had before". I think this is to indicate the choice is made ONCE, not at each level as some PrCs allow.
I'm not sure if this has been asked or not, but will this book have alternate options for summon monster for each of the main deities?
Since this books is compiling and revising the various deity articles that have appeared in the Adventure Paths over the past years, I think the summon monster options from those articles are assumed to be part of the content. Each such article added a handful of thematic choices over the various levels (typically 3 or 4 choices).
If you mean totally customized summon monster lists per deity, that I think is not going to be there.. Paizo's staff feels it is easier for developers to design consistently if the spells remain mostly unchanged. Significant new sets of options are better presented as new spells.
Generally, you can get quicker answers to questions about HeroLab on the LoneWolf forums.
That said, did you make sure that, in addition to downloading the add-on, you enabled it for that character? Ctrl-K brings up the "Configure Your Hero" screen.. in the list of sources, make sure that the book you want to use is checked for that character.
Jim Groves wrote:
If I recall correctly what Vic Wertz had said before, it is a requirement in the contract with the credit card companies. Stores that do not abide by it are at risk of losing the ability to process credit card transactions.
The Eldritch Weaver class
The Noble class (although that could be in the Freeport book anyway); a second product for the "Noble Houses" as Factions or Rooms/ Teams/ Organizations/ Buildings in the vein of Ultimate Campaign would be nice.
The Avatar's Handbook had a number of interesting creatures, including Bardess' Angels, that could stand an update.
While Pathfinder has its Witch, I think the Shaman class from the Shaman's Handbook would appeal to some people more than the forthcoming Shaman in Paizo's Advanced Class Guide.
James Jacobs wrote:
Well, two things I can think of that I'd like to see are:
1) Cost adjustments by district. I liked the prices of houses listed in each district in the Absolom and Katapesh books. That was probably taking up too much space to do in other products, but an addition to the city/district statblocks to adjust the cost of living helps to give each settlement and district more flavor, and to bring home the flavor of different economical regions. It would also help to indicate when certain levels are not available at all, such as Destitute not being available in the rich part of town.
2) Some representation of local politics in a form similar to the Factions from the Faction Guide, but scaled for "local" use.