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Yeah, that's what I get for going from memory.
Bits and pieces have been used in Paizo's products.. the Dominant and Submissive PrCs show up in Rise of the Runelords (used with modifications, but not re-printed) while one (maybe two?) of the weapons showed up in Second Darkness.
That wasn't quite what I was getting at.
The summary line of icons has only those icons needed to indicate that there is related text following that needs attention. If there is no "monster" icon, then there should be no "Creatures" section, for example. It is purely there to give the GM a quick "these are the things you should know", and putting the same icon in the margin or at the start of each section may help more visually-cued readers to find them (or, in PDFs, even be bookmarked to them.. though that would be adding a lot to the layout tasks).
I would not expect different icons for varying degrees of light (though that would be nice), as I think to be effective as "heads-up" types of things, only a small number of icons should be used.
Chaderick the Penguin wrote:
As I understand the situation, Amazon gets their gaming materials from the gaming distributors.. not just dice and other accessories, but also the books. When they do not have a solid date, they make their best guess. That sometimes results in odd situations.
I have also noticed in my own interactions with Amazon that they have issues with "niche" products. Things like books that belong to a series not being marked consistently as such, for example. This is more prominent with comics, manga, and gaming materials.
In short, while Amazon may offer a lower price and (if you have Prime) potentially cheap or even free delivery, the trade-off is sometimes erratic results for lower-volume less-mainstream materials.
A long time ago in Dungeon magazine, there were icons used for the sections. Putting one line of similar symbols at the start, say immediately after the name, might be a small start. This would give a quick heads-up that there are such sections to be aware of, while not limiting the GM to any pre-specified positions, etc., for them.
So, to use Shaedenfreude's example...
Really, this is why it has always been GM advice to read the adventure through.
No publisher is going to have a magic format that works for everyone.
Even if someone did, "no plan survives contact with the enemy", meaning that since the published adventure is a static snapshot of how the adventure site is *if the PCs are not present*, the presence of the PCs in the adventure site is making more and more changes as the PCs progress. Allies who can come to the aid of opponents are reduced; opponents are forced from one room to another; opponents may become new allies of the PCs through interaction... none of this can be predicted accurately. So the publisher is left with "this is how it *would* be", and the GM needs to be ready to modify as the PCs progress.
Really, this is one of the areas where I hope tools like RealmWorks can help.
They're not really intended to be used together.
The Kingdom rules are there for campaigns where the PCs will be big players with rulership over a number of settlements scattered over a kingdom.. as such, one "building" in the Kingdom rules is more like "zoning for that type of building" in the settlement where it is built..and most assume that in addition to the specific type, there are also supporting houses, shops, etc. that would be found nearby.
The Downtime Rules are designed to operate on a different scale, with a different level of detail. In these, one building or room really is 1 building or room.
Can you do it? Probably. Should you do it? That's your call. For my 2 cents.. I'd say don't try mixing them on your first try at using any of them. Get comfortable with each separately before you try to mix them.
Probably quite a bit. The Lord-Mayor already accepts a great many "donations" for his "personal projects". Buying into a position of influence in a city with much gold passing through would probably require a price near one year's annual gold flow.
A more practical approach would likely be two stages: first, buy into a noble title (or marry into an existing family), then, second, work on becoming an active title-holder of a position.
You might want to check out Knights of the Inner Sea... there's the "Squire" feat that allows early access to a Cohort-like companion who must have one of the Archetypes included there for Squires. Nothing says a PC can't take them, though they are intended for support personnel. Combat Healer Squire is for Paladins, Gunner Squire is for Gunslingers, Herald Squire is for Cavaliers, and Weapon Bearer Squire is for Fighters.
There's a similar feat, "Torchbearer", in Dungeoneer's Handbook, and similar Torchbearer-oriented archetypes (Blazing Torchbearer for Alchemists, Groom for Rangers, and Sapper for Rogues).
I very much like these specialized archetypes, and with the retraining rules in Ultimate Campaign, there's an option to "grow out of them".
Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:
My original thinking along this line was for the Riddleport Watch in Shadow in the Sky. In the GM reference thread, Greg A. Vaughan mentioned he had originally planned to use a specific class for the officers. That class proved not to be open content, so could not be used. I was thinking that the Castellan (and now the Constable) archetypes would fit as nice replacements for them, especially for the officers.
They might work as rank-and-file in specific cases, such as Molthune, but for most towns I'd agree that Warriors make the most sense.
James Jacobs wrote:
Some folks advocate running an all-elf party to get around this issue. I see that as dodging the problem, though. The issue is that the most intolerant forces are also corrupting their own mission.. changing the chaotic good elves into lawful neutral or lawful evil minions of mandated behaviors "for the good of the race".
That's a very powerful theme to play with, but the lack of positive interactions (Kwava disappears too soon, for example) and scenes showing this repressive action fail to make the case properly. Thus, all elves come off as jerks.
Personally, I'd re-arrange things so that after dealing with the original threat, the confrontation with the Winter Council would be the real "final boss"... and maybe convincing the Shin'rakorath to re-think their allegiance an ongoing challenge throughout.
That's also why I say it *needs* the attention. As Jester David mentioned, a straight re-print would not work because it would preserve the same issues as-is.
The RotRL AE was not a straight re-print, either.. encounters were re-worked, villains modified, and more was changed - so even an AP in good shape like CotCT would get some of that treatment.
I had been thinking previously that the Castellan archetype would work to make Cavaliers fit as officers in the Watch. I don't think Cavaliers work as rank-and-file members. Constable seems to fit the same mold.. more officer than standard member.
I think the limited edition extra fancy version of the physical book had handouts included with it, not sure if it's pdf was any different.
Yes, the Deluxe collectors' edition had the physical handouts; the basic Anniversary Edition does not. The PDF set for the deluxe collector's edition included a separate one for the handouts, which are not in the standard edition.
Both RuyanVe and Bellona have mentioned the main sources. You may want both, in order to have a PC-friendly and a GM-friendly view of things.
In addition, Pirates of the Inner Sea has some material on Riddleport's pirate population, and Inner Sea Magic has the Cyphermage prestige class. The Varisia player companion has a brief blurb on each of the main cities, including Riddleport, as well as a nice panoramic view image of the city.
I believe there are some notes on this possibility in the adventure text itself, so there should be some guidance there.
The advice provided by the Lorax is also good.
Really, she can show up whenever and wherever you think would be good for the story.. delay her return if you think having her show up again at the end would be better. Letting her sit out for a while, to let your Players think she may be just gone, could make her eventual return have more impact.
Some thoughts (with inspiration from Sid Meier's Civilization games)
I was not thinking you should run Godsmouth Heresy.. more that, if you need something "new", you could steal the Rune Guardian that appears in that module. It would be an appropriate low-level creature in just about any Thassilonian site, based on its description... and there are variations for each magical specialty.
It seems to me that sonic has morphed in meaning over the years. Back in 3.0, it seemed to not be an energy, and was instead mean "this spell needs to make a sound to be effective"... and/or "this spell needs to be heard to be effective".
Somewhere between 3.0 and 3.5, it seemed to become an "energy".
if i preorder this now do i still get the pdf? or do i have to subscribe?
Free PDF copies are a perk of the subscriptions; just pre-ordering this book will not get you one.
At the same tine, pausing or canceling a subscription isn't hard; posting in the Customer Service forum is usually all that is required.
Kingmaker with the updated kingdom rules is probably the weakest case.
It was popular, but the rules are *mostly* the same. If Kingmaker needs anything, it would be more direct hints and foreshadowing of what comes at the end.
While I would love to Second Darkness get updated, I agree with Kalindlara that it is because it *needs* more help than Curse of the Crimson Throne.
That said, Ultimate Intrigue, and especially whatever form the Vigilante takes, could become a springboard for a CotCT compilation (as the NPC Blackjack is exactly what the Vigilante is trying to model - a hero with a secret identity).
CotCT is based on 3.5. Its popularity makes it a stronger candidate to sell than Second Darkness or Legacy of Fire, which means it is likely the "best candidate" for a compilation. That it doesn't need as much work as Second Darkness would actually works to its advantage .. trying to do the Rise of the Runelords AE messed with Paizo's schedule significantly. The kind of re-work that Second Darkness would require would make it a larger undertaking than RotRL AE was, or than a CotCT AE wouid be.. and that works against it being a candidate. :(
As I said, I would most like to see Second Darkness, but I suspect that CotCT is more likely to be a viable choice.
Inner Sea Magic has capsule entries for Alaznist, Karzoug, Sorshen, and Xanderghul (each a specialist wizard - evoker, transmuter, enchanter, and illusionist, respectively, of level 20+)
is statted up in PFS Scenario 4-26. The Waking Rune, and is a Thassilonian Conjurer 17.
As Orthos mentioned, James Jacobs has said in the past that all are Wizards. Karzoug is/was intended to be in the middle, with 3 stronger and 3 weaker Runelords.
There is also an article on the Runelords in Shattered Star vol 6, providing a 2-page history for each of the Runelords, though no stats.
If you are looking to expand, you can "steal" material from pieces of the Shattered Star AP (such as descriptions of Windsong Abbey and the Lady's Light), and some other modules (Seven Swords of Sin, the Godsmouth Heresy).
I especially am looking for ways to use the Rune Guardian from Godsmouth Heresy.
I get what you're saying. I am just careful about terms :)
Depending on how you see Sandpoint's location inside the Kingdom Hex, much of the rest of the hinterlands could be part of the same hex.. in that case, your original mention of adding a new District that counts as part of Sandpoint would work.
If you plan to keep this using the Downtime rules (Teams/Buildings/ Rooms/Organizations) and not at the kingdom level, I would not worry about considering it an expansion to Sandpoint. The employees are not necessarily *new* population.. perhaps some of "Gorvi's Boys" were glad of the chance to become guards or lumberjacks, and similar cases. And the millers could be the owners and employees of the mills that were burned down.
In the end, that's all up to how you want to work it.
Also, you mentioned an adventure on Chopper's Isle... is that from Wayfinder #7, or your own creation? If it is your own, I would suggest getting Wayfinder #7 for the Hook Mountain area set up for the Exploration and Kingdom rules.
I have not tried it yet, but I am thinking allowing the special abilities priced as equivalent to enhancements (Priced as +1, +2, etc.) to be automatically active provided they don't exceed the attunement the character can apply.
So, if the PC has +2 attunement, a +2 blade with up to +2 "worth" of additional powers would be ok, but if the weapon had two +2 or a +1 and +2, the character would need to pick one until his/her attunement available was sufficient.
That's particularly easier than managing paying the costs, especially if the party wants to pass the weapons around among the characters.
I would avoid calling it the players' outpost. So close to Sandpoint, there doesn't seem to be a need for another settlement. An "outpost" of some sort, or even calling it a "manor" in the sense used in feudal fiefdoms, is probably more appropriate.
For the guards, such an "outpost" or "manor" may not be able to generate gold so far from the settlement (Sandpoint); you could rule that they can only be used to generate Labor or Influence (which will cost them gold to achieve). That might be more believable.
For an interesting treatment of the manorial system in game terms, "A Magical Medieval Society : Western Europe" from Expeditious Retreat Press is very good... it does not mesh with the Downtime or Kingdom rules from Ultimate Campaign, but you may be able to pull some ideas from it.
I am in a similar situation, as I am running Rise of the Runelords now as a Play-by-Email campaign. My players are nearing the end of Burnt Offerings at the moment.. and are deep in Thistletop. I used the Chopper's Isle adventure from Wayfinder #7, and they have begun to pay for the island.
So... remember that Sandpoint was started as a colony by Magnimar. It is really Magnimar that calls the shots, so I set up Sandpoint as a vassal "kingdom" to Magnimar for my uses. Of the four big families in Sandpoint, only the Kaijitsu family has no one in Magnimar. Really, the leaders of the families are in Magnimar, so even the nobles of Sandpoint are somewhat under their senior's control in that regard. That can make negotiations easier, or harder, depending on who the characters approach about it.
Making Sandpoint a vassal of Magnimar also allows the players to get more involved in the politics of Magnimar.
On the kindom level, the old locations of the other mills are potentially within the same "Kingdom Hex" as Sandpoint, and at that level Sandpoints' defenses are assumed to handle them as well. It is arguable that some of the locations may be in adjacent kingdom hexes, although given the 12-mile-across size of the Hexes, it seems less likely.. most of the Sandpoint Hinterlands fits in one or two hexes at that scale.
On the more personal Room/Building level, adding defenses is not a bad idea, and can be used to build up support against the expected goblin assaults, etc.
Blackmailing the Scarnettis could backfire, especially if there are Paladins in your group. Simply exposing them may have more long-term benefits in some ways.
If you want to do much with the Kingdom rules, I highly recommend Ultimate Rulership from Legendary Games. It adds some very interesting and flexible options to what is in Ultimate Campaign. If you want to do more with mass combat, as well, then Ultimate Battle, Ultimate War, and Ultimate Commander (all also from Legendary Games) may also be of interest to you.
Sorry.. I thought i was clearer. The blog post contained an option that was not included in the book printing. Normally, the HeroLab team accepts Blog Posts as sources for corrections, but in this case it was dismissed as being based on an older, pre-release draft, despite the fact that Mark Seifter pointed me to it as the solution when I raised the problem.
Aside from that, your rant about HeroLab is unjustified. These are 2 incidents out of many. HeroLab is accurate in many cases where people report problems.. because the people mis-read or otherwise failed to "get" the rules text they were reporting.
It is not perfect by any means. There have been bugs, and there will be bugs in future releases. That's life with software. By and large, the HeroLab team at LoneWolf is receptive to reports, investigates them, and corrects them as quickly as they can manage. Some really complex issues have been pending for a long time, but overall they are very good at fixing things when they are reported. There is hardly a need to break out the pitchforks and torches. What is at issue is the expectation of a FAQ or Errata for this kind of problem; that's an unrealistic expectation that needs to be addressed, preferably by both Paizo and LoneWolf working out a better method for responding to such issues.
The Downtime and Kingdom rules are separate things in Ultimate Campaign.. the Teams, Organizations, Rooms, and Buildings are more "personal" scale projects than the Kingdom-level Districts and such. There is some overlap, but they are mostly separate things.
As written in the Rooms, Buildings, Teams, and Organizations section, such mills will come with staff, and if the players add guardrooms to them, basic guards. They can use the Team rules to upgrade and replace the included teams with better guards.
The District and other Kingdom-level actions would make more sense for the Sandpoint Mercantile League or Town Council to do... acting as the government for Sandpoint. Unless the players are interested taking up offices in the government, it would not be for them to do these kinds of actions - though they could certainly offer to help the Town Council do it.
The mills that were burned down were scattered over the countryside around the farmlands, not in Sandpoint itself.. one at Biston's Pond, another on Cougar Creek, and the third on the Soggy River. These locations were likely chosen to make it easier for the farmers to bring their crops to them instead of taking it all the way to Sandpoint. That is something to consider as well.
Unfortunately, I had a similar experience with Pathfinder Unchained, the Automatic Bonus Progression. In the Blog preview for magic items, there was a system that was not included in the final book (paying costs to enable secondary abilities in addition to the enhancement powered by attunement). When I presented that to the LoneWolf staff, they replied that "it's probably for an older version of the book".
I think what is needed more than getting a FAQ is for the communication between LoneWolf and Paizo to be improved on some of these items. An easier way to get verification for LoneWolf would be best, I think.. and the PDT may need to be more pro-active in responding definitely when an issue with HeroLab is involved. Unless I am mistaken in my understanding that Paizo would like to use it internally, and it would be good for it to work correctly in that case.
First recommendation: Check out the free Wayfinder fanzine. Issue #7 has some games for the Swallowtail festival that you might want to include or borrow ideas from... as well as potential additional encounters and side-quests.
Second recommendation: Read through the threads in the Rise of the Runelords forum. There's a lot of information about where others have had problems, and solutions they've found, as well as added materials.
Nate Z wrote:
I find it easiest to sort the list by "Date Added to My Downloads" so that new stuff is always at the top. If you want to do this, click on the titles of the columns to sort by them.
Will these be part of our map subscriptions, or will I need to order them separately?
Product Description wrote:
conic Heroes Set IV includes seven all-new miniatures featuring legendary characters from the Pathfinder role-playing universe: Seltyiel, Feiya, Quinn, Reiko, Lem, Daji and Hayato! The Iconic Heroes is the latest set release in the award-winning Pathfinder Battles line of miniatures from Paizo Inc. and WizKids
There's an "I" missing from the first word, "Iconic", and this is set VI not IV in Roman Numerals.
Nice that there are 7 miniatures instead of 6 in this set. :)
Absolutely, unequivocally, not.
Training does not "force" the creature to do anything. "Force" being measured on the scale of a compulsion magical effect that literally over-rides the normal behavior of the creature.
An animal trained through fear will obey as long as the threat of punishment remains real. As soon as that threat is removed, the animal will flee or turn on its abuser.
If you don't accept that, then we are coming at this from different assumptions, and just need to agree to disagree.
Let me try this again... since you are clearly reading more into what I said than I intended.
Under most circumstances, the animal will do as its master/handler directs, provided the appropriate skill checks are made, actions performed, etc.
Under unusual circumstances, such as when an abused animal has the opportunity to escape (or even to turn on its abuser), it is up the GM whether it does so or not. In such a case, the master can scream "Come" or "Heel" as much as desired... but if the GM judges that the animal has taken the course of escape.. too bad. That's the price of being an abusive master - no loyalty from the animal.
gustavo iglesias wrote:
Dungeons of Golarion describes Hollow Mountain (briefly.. like all the entries, it is more overview and 1 level than a complete level-by-level thing) and indeed puts Alaznist's refuge there... somewhere.
Yeah, I know where he is coming from too. I just have never been for punishing a player's character concept just because I do not personally like it. If it is within the rules I try to make sure they have a fun game, not remove class abilities because they do not jive with the iconic idealized concept trope that is cliched by the book, pop culture or anyone's personal opinions.
I think you're misreading me. I did not say that the abused animal would constantly refuse to obey, for example. What I said was that an abused animal is much more likely to flee from its master if it sees a chance. A well-treated Animal Companion (or animal in general) is likely to be more loyal and less eager to escape at the first chance.
In the case where an abused animal has a chance to escape, it will THEN ignore commands to "Come" or "Heel" in favor of escaping the abusive master.
Urath DM: And what rules would you be using to justify this? The AC would be ignoring it's master's commands ... because you say so? Even when the Handle Animal skill specifically contradicts this?
PRD, Ultimage Campaign, Campaign Subsystems, Companions, Aspects of Control wrote:
Nonsentient Companions: A nonsentient companion (one with animal-level intelligence) is loyal to you in the way a well-trained dog is—the creature is conditioned to obey your commands, but its behavior is limited by its intelligence and it can't make altruistic moral decisions—such as nobly sacrificing itself to save another. Animal companions, cavalier mounts, and purchased creatures (such as common horses and guard dogs) fall into this category. In general they're GM-controlled companions. You can direct them using the Handle Animal skill, but their specific behavior is up to the GM.
Note especially the last two sentences.
PRD, Ultimate Campaign, Campaign Subsystems, Companions, Issues of Control wrote:
Game Balance: Even a simple change like allowing players to directly control companions has repercussions in the game mechanics. For example, if a druid has complete control over an animal companion, there's no reason for her to put ranks in Handle Animal, freeing up those ranks for other valuable skills like Perception. If a wizard with a guard dog doesn't have to use a move action to make a Handle Animal check to have the dog attack, he has a full set of actions each round and a minion creature that doesn't require investing any extra time to "summon" it. If companion animals don't have to know specific tricks, the PC can use any animal like an ally and plan strategies (like flanking) as if the animal were much smarter than it actually is.
Note especially the last sentence.
These are two small parts of a larger section on Companions of all types... Eidolons, Animal Companions, Cohorts, etc.
Then I am not conveying it properly. If a PC or NPC took the "cruel lion-tamer" approach, the animal would obey its training mostly... but the difference would be things like :