Trogdar wrote:thejeff wrote:Trogdar wrote:thejeff wrote:It's weird that you can respond to my post without acknowledging it's contents. The world from your perspective must be interesting.Trogdar wrote:HWalsh wrote:In universe it's evil. I certainly haven't disputed that. The only thing I suggest is that EVIL by the book is not analogous to evil in reality. It kind of seems like you get the conclusion before you get the premise, and it seems to me personally as a kind of Cartesian circle.
Anyway... Back on topic.
Evil in Pathfinder is measurable. We know certain spells are evil. We may not know why, but we know they are.
The nay sayers who refuse to accept that without an in depth Paizo explanation are frankly out of order. We know it's Evil, why isn't really important.
This isn't an in-universe opinion it is an in-universe fact.
If you want me to agree that casting an Infernal Healing spell in reality isn't evil, I'll happily go along.It'd be delusional, but not evil.
Back to that talking past each other thing. :)I consider my response relevant because the parts of the PF alignment system that really break are ones dealing with magic - spells or creatures, which don't exist in the real world so the analogy breaks down.
It a good thing I'm not making an analogy then. Spells and magic effects upon the nature and prevalence of evil or good changes how you look at those terms. If those effects are acknowledged(which they are. Everyone agrees that spells with the evil subtype are evil by the rules), then we need to redefine what evil means. If you need to redefine a word, then you have changed what the word means
In my opinion, that is a reasonable conclusion given the argument.
Well, you did say "analogous".And yes, I guess we need to redefine what evil means: only to the extent we need to deal with these non-real world things. Generally in doing so, they've looked at the way cultures that believed in magic and...
Yeah, I did say analogous. I feel like the 'is not' in front of it is key.