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Jr. Annalist wrote:
Perhaps. Color Spray and Sleep are a couple of interesting examples of uber spells that fade pretty quickly with time, which P6 would eliminate. I'm not saying it's wrong or bad, but rather curious as to the impact and if P6 really tips the scales away from casters ruling the game.
Also, note my examples are standard array, so I'm thinking a 15 as the high stat before racial modifiers, so we're talking about a 17 starting stat (which actually makes my math wrong - sleep is DC17 at 1st, 18 at 3rd, and 19 at 4th).
One of the elements I think will make P6 nice is the class balance or even the rise of the martial characters as the premier heroes of the game. Having not tried it yet, but hoping to with our group, I got to thinking about that a bit more and I'm not sure. I'm curious about others experiences.
Taking a look at a couple of SoD options like color spray and sleep I actually think P6 might even tip the scales in favor of casters. I could put together a fey sorcerer with the standard array that would have a DC18 sleep spell at level 1 (19 at 2 with a 20 and 21 for hideous laughter and deep slumber respectively). A gnome sorcerer could hit DC18 with color spray. All of these using core rulebooks. I can't imagine many opponents hitting those saves in those levels. Normally these are focus spells because they fade with time but in P6 they are effective for the entire range of a campaign. Is that an issue or not really a problem?
Thank you for the advice. As you can tell by my post it was post-game night last night, and I was a little frustrated.
You've had a lot of good advice here and I would be frustrated as well. Sometimes you just have bad luck. I had a gnome sorcerer once who started with a 20 CHA (20 point buy) and spell focus (illusion) to focus on color spray at early levels. I was only able to get that past saves a couple of times ever. Either a fudging DM or really bad luck.
After that I thought about making a sorcerer only focused on no save spells, but never did.
I focus on a mix of save targets with my current sorcerer, but have more reflex targets than any (normally augmented by dazing spell). I would agree persistent spell is an awesome metamagic addition.
Jr. Annalist wrote:
Thank you for the quick response. I'm looking forward to the full version. I do like the inclusion of many of the other feats and options in the other books and the 6th level cap limits the game-breaking combos to a large extent.
A quick question on the signature combat feat - is it the intent that a character take this feat giving them the ability to take the higher level combat feat when the reach the proper level or is it the intent that upon taking this feat they immediately gain the higher level feat (such as improved critical)?
That seems OK unbuffed. My 12th level sorcerer is +12/+9/+11 right now, so in the same ballpark.
I agree 100%. Always thought I was the only one!
Thanks for the info. I'll likely skip the Jade Regent piece and fill in the blanks myself. Since the goblins love raiding the whole tribe will be eager to test out their new horde of fireworks and, if they do enough damage, the humans will likely track down this menace. The challenge I'll have is sending the humans in sufficient visible force to ensure my Licktoad PCs flee that reprisal at some point so they can make their way to the Birdcrunchers.
oh, empowered doesn't add extra dice, it multiplies the result of the roll by 50% more so if it does 40 damage its empowered to be 60 damage.
Empowered increases the variable numeric effects by half, so it does add dice. 50% more dice to be exact. So if you cast a 10 dice fireball you would have normal damage of 10d6. Empowered would add a variable amount - 5d6. A maximized empowered fireball at 10 dice would be 60 damage (for maximize) + 5d6 (for empower).
I'm thinking about running a goblin crew beyond We be Goblins and We be Goblins Too but using both of those because the set the mood well. My main question is the space in between the two. Based on what I've read, the Licktoad village is destroyed in the first chapter of Jade Regent setting up the events in We be Goblins Too. I plan on having the Licktoads use the recently recovered fireworks to attempt to burn down a village (or Sandpoint)for which the humans we take revenge and attack the Licktoad encampment.
That should be fun to play out if I can convince my players to run at the right time. My question is - is there enough data in the first Jade Regent (maps, Licktoad description, etc...) to make it worth picking up to make this a better experience? How much is there that I can use?
Fun read - well done.
I'm surprised you didn't mention preferred spell. Although it requires heighten spell, and you don't like that for blasters, the flexibility on your spell list is very nice. Greater spell specialization gets you a bit of this too, but preferred doesn't require the casting time.
Also, for 2nd level spells you should consider burning arc as well. It's much more controllable in terms of shape than a fireball although it certainly isn't going to hit as many mooks - topping out a mere 4 at 13th level with intensify.
My arcane sorcerer's familiar just died a gruesome death on my way to 11th level. Now I have spells to pick and, after waiting a week, a new familiar to attract and replace the dust mephit.
Looking at both spell and familiar options I was wondering if anyone had played around with Elemental Aura on familiars? It seems you could use one of the several invisible at-will familiars to do some scouting, return, and have Elemental Aura applied. They can then fly back to the group of bad guys around the corner, and what then? The familiar is invisible and not attacking, but has say an acid aura surrounding it that will damage the bad guys at the beginning of the next turn. Does it count as an attack at that stage, negating the invisibility, and allowing them to move away?
If the familiar could sneak up there it would be a nice aura burst with a stagger, sicken, or fatigue effect. Maybe persistent applied as well. I think it likely counts as an attack however.
This is the general consensus, but wrong I think. I believe the wizard is the easier class to play because of the longer term flexibility and knowledge skills which give them the ability to pull the right set of resources into the right situation. As others have pointed out, the wizard often still has enough spontaneous options to always have the old standbys available when necessary.
A sorcerer has to adapt to his situation with clever application of spells. True, good upfront building makes this easier to do, but far more skill is applied in my opinion to this task than to the extremely simple task of selecting a spell list for a particular and singular effort.
I did that for an urban campaign with levels of urban ranger. Favored enemy is great for undead. Dragon style is not only nice for the damage, but also the movement in difficult terrain.
I really want to be a human with the arcane bloodline. What are those best at and how do I build the best one?
I'm playing one of these right now. Primary focus is control, but pretty well rounded in my opinion. I like dazing spell a lot, so have been using that with snapdragon fireworks for a bit, but will use it with ball lightning when I hit 12th (10th now).
Feats are for broad spellcasting capability and in this order - toughness, great fortitude, combat casting, spell penetration, improved familiar (dust mephit), improved initiative (bloodline), dazing spell. I'll get persistent spell at 11th and both quicken spell and focus (evocation) at 13th.
20 point buy was: s9, d12, c12, i12, wis8, cha20. I like social skills for sorcerer, so the int was important to me. I also like high DCs. You may be wiser buying an 18 in cha.
Spell selection is the big one here. Here's what mine looks like at 10th level (with all the human and arcane bonuses):
1- Identify, prot from evil, magic missile, mage armor, grease, silent image, snapdragon fireworks, mount
2 - invisibility, glitterdust, resist energy, create pit, levitate, mirror image, burning gaze
3 - dispel magic, haste, stinking cloud, fireball, aqueous orb, halt undead
4 - dimension door, summon monster IV, confusion, wall of ice, greater false life
5 - icy prison
That setup gives me a good spell for most occasions. the next two levels are a pretty big power boost with several additional spells and feats.
Should I take both sickening and dazing spell for my sorcerer, or is that over the top?
He's 9th (replacement for dead character) and will have Toughness, Spell Penetration, Improved Initiative, Improved Familiar, and Dazing Spell for sure. Then two of Great Fortitude, Combat Casting, and Sickening Spell.
Holmes is deep into a few very focused types of knowledge skills, but is absent many as well. In the books he is an expert at the various types of mud and clay around London. He has a deep knowledge of tabacco. He knows absolutely nothing about many things the average Englishman would know.
The way he analyzes problems lends itself to sense motive, perception, and survival (track) more than anything else. Those are wisdom-based skills. Holmes always observes what others only see (you could argue deep knowledge in certain areas helps here, but I would see ranks in knowledge - local filling this).
Get the Kirin Style Feats so you can add your Int mod to damage as well as Str
I think maybe snake style (although kirin is better fluff) and a massive sense motive (skill focus, alertness, trait) for Holmes. I think his wisdom is the primary trait rather than intelligence.
I think urban ranger (unarmed) with a couple of monk levels.
STR Ranger wrote:
What are you 5 most Important skills you like and why?
Depends on what you want to do. My fighter does get 5 per level and acts as the party face and scout, so diplomacy and perception are maxed with acrobatics and stealth close behind. I have a few in climb, swim, survival, and engineering as well.
Grizzly the Archer wrote:
The armor training is difficult to give up. Although, as an archer, I hope to stay out of melee anyway, so I decided to live without it. The weapon guard bonus rarely comes up, but is very nice when it does. I never want to be without the bow.
I'm not making an argument that the WM is better, they both have their pros & cons. I chose the WM because the +1/+1 is worth it to me. It really adds up when you're using 4-5 arrows per round.
Grizzly the Archer wrote:
I hear ya. I really do it for the extra to hit and damage. We don't allow the gloves for the archer, so between regular fighter and WM I go with the weapon master for the +1/+1 for the most part. The other stuff is nice, but probably not quite as nice as bravery/armor training. I'm not going to be as good in melee with my version of weapon training, but I'm OK with that.
Actually, archery builds suck from a teamwork standpoint. Sure, they deal out great damage, but what role do they fill?
Well, my straight fighter archer also servers as the party scout and diplomat. Maxed perception and stealth + darkvision for scouting (half orc) and is good in that area even without class skills. He has diplomacy as class through a trait and keeps it maxed as well. Int 12 + racial bonus per level gives him 4 skill points per level.
Other classes could be better with these skills, but in our party my straight fighter still has the best diplomacy and stealth.
A bit late on this, but I built a character some time back modeled specifically on Don Quixote. He was actually a melee bard who thought he was a paladin. So in 3.0 or 3.5 (don't recall) his healing replicated lay on hands, heroism the aura, etc... He fought with a bastard sword (which was knightly) and shield. He was NG, but imitated paladin behavior in every way.
Awesome character, but one-shot-killed by a green dragon.
I disagree. Furious finish basically says you're fatigued no matter what. It's a limiting mechanic that isn't intended to be bypassed by a lame exception, which is, in my opinion, a bit of a lame bypass for fatigue immunity anyway. Not as bad as rage cycling, but still lame.
Gnomes make excellent sorcerers! The only competition they have there are humans with the favored class bonus - but I prefer gnomes with sorcery. The con bonus is a huge addition to the cha bonus for gnomes.
I had a gnome sorcerer who was a cunning linguist (gift of tongues) with maxed bluff and diplomacy (infernal) and with a handful of languages you can befriend or pursuade anyone!
Pyromaniac is awesome for a crossblooded blaster and the +1 DC for illusions comes in handy for your more sublte casters.
They're awesome sorcerers!
I have a martial artist 4/urban ranger 3 in CotCT right now who will take the rest of his levels in martial artist. He's also the party rogue, so the ranger 3 helps there (in addition to improved natural attack). He's in good shape but is just waiting for the belt of str and amulet of natural armor! I haven't had a chance to get those.
In running him, I don't think so far that he's been underpowered from a bonus feat standpoint (dodge and deflet arrows so far). I also don't think the missed feat at 8 will be missed much - you get a lot at level 8.
Anyone out there have experience with this prestige class? It seems like it might be nice for a 3 level dip for certain melee classes. In those 3 levels you gain d6 sneak, dirty fighting, a lot of class skills, and flag of convenience (good for the +2 bluff checks and no leadership penalties). The dirty fighting is nice - +2 to all combat manuevers, no improvised weapon penalties, and special crit conditions (most of which are pretty good - especially against casters).
I'm thinking it would be nice for a sword & board guy (6th level ranger, 3 level templar), which would give you the sneak on the twf as well as +2 to bull rush. It might also be good for a two weapon fighter with two weapon feint for the +2 bluff and the sneak. If you had a high-crit twf (kukris), the dirty fighting could give you a great chance to keep at least one condition on an opponent for the entire encounter - there's no save. The +2 combat manuevers is nice for several builds.
He also picks up heavy armor and martial weapons, which could be nice depending on original class. The +1 hit, damage, and will saves vs. CE outsides could be nice if you have demons in your campaign.
Mounted combat is a bit of a downside, but other than that qualification isn't difficult.
Anyway, just wondered if someone had tried it out.
Stephan schmitz wrote:
While I get the argument to restrict this to natural weapons, I don't see where the iterative attacks element of this is supported in the rules anywhere. True, most critters with pounce don't have iterative attacks, but to put the "of course" in here is confusing to me. Am I missing something?
It's OK if you're in the right mindset. We had a period where we couldn't decide what we wanted to do next and nobody was itching to DM, so we went through this and swapped DMs every time we hit a new section. Some of the sections were fun, some less so. We didn't finish, but got to maybe 15th level or so.
If you have a group that can have a lot of fun with intra-party interactions you can have fun with it but it doesn't have a plot that will pull you through if you don't enjoy that sort of thing.
Yeah, you guys have hit on both sides of the thought process here and I can see both paths as reasonable. I agree it'll be a GM call until it hits the FAQ. The interest here is that a multiclassed martial artist can benefit from the ability if the second option doesn't require a check, but doesn't get much if it does (depending on levels in another class) since it scales with monk level.
And no, it's not a multiclass with barbarian!
Does the second option of this martial artist ability require the monk to make a wisdom check to be successful?
This part: A martial artist may instead use this ability as a swift action to analyze the movements and expressions of one creature within 30 feet, granting a bonus on Sense Motive checks and Reflex saves and a dodge bonus to AC against that opponent equal to 1/2 his monk level until the start of his next turn.
Power attack is a positive dpr for this character.
Are the wild-blooded abilities available using eldritch heritage? They are part of an archetype, so I would be interested to see if they are available for that particular feat chain.
Hmmm, don't know actually. I hadn't looked at it that way. It sure doesn't seem unbalancing, but I don't know if it's RAW.