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Grand Lodge

Per the strictest reading of the rules, the GM as a cohort is an NPC that follows you and is essentially your assistant. The player really doesn't get a whole lot of choice when it comes to what their cohort can do.

But alot of GM's just hand the sheet over to the player as that is less complicated than having another aspect to manage as a GM. And then it's like you're playing 2 characters at once and that is why the feat ends up in the too over powered to consider letting a player have mindset.

my 2 cents, hope it helps.

Grand Lodge

Color Spray is always a solid option at 1st level, and you can trade it out at higher levels.

Grand Lodge

Well there goes that idea. Thanks for the heads up Mathwei.

This idea will have to be saved for a homebrew game then.

Grand Lodge

also a very cool take on the build. No focus on the intimidation but should be over all better in combat.

hmm, decisions decisions.

Grand Lodge

Hey guys, looking for some feedback.

So I find this class extremely interesting and want to figure out a build for it. I'm going back an forth on whether or not it would just be better to play a straight inquisitor or not. Right now I'm looking at Cavalier(Gendarme)2/Rouge(thug)1/Cleric3/Grey Gardener X. Not particularly in that order.

Build level 8:

Human with focused Study replacement.

Stats(20 point by per PFS)
16 str
14 dex
14 con
10 int
14 -> 16 wis
7 cha

Order-
Cockatrice

Domains-
Conversion Inquisition
Travel Domain

Abilities and Feats
lvl 1 Cav 1
Human feat Skill Focus(Intimidate)
Feat Weapon Focus(Greatsword)
Bonus Feat Power Attack
Challenge
Mount

lvl 2 Cleric 1
channel +1d6
domains

lvl 3 Cav 2
Bouns feat - Dazzling Display
feat - Combat Reflexes

lvl 4 Rouge 1
sneak attack +1d6
Frightening

lvl 5 Cleric 2
feat - Furious Focus

lvl 6 Cleric 3
Channel +2d6

lvl 7 Grey G 1
Feat - (Open)
Sneak attack +2d6
anonymity

lvl 8 Grey G 2
Harsh Judgment
stern gaze
Human feat - Skill Focus (perception?)

The plan would be to pick up shatter defenses at 9 and enforcer at 10 as a bonus feat. Have a merciful weapon so I can intimidate people every time I swing, therefore making them flat footed to the rest of my attacks and get sneak attack all while debuffing them. It sounds like a solid build in my head, but I can't help but to feel like I'm missing something or making this too complicated. I effectively get almost all skills as class skills, though I don't have a solid amount of skills to back it up. My AC wouldn't be great but I would have some healing, and the ability to use a CLW wand. Thanks to Cavalier I could dazzling display as a standard action instead of a full round action, pile that on top of the rouge's frightening ability and I can frighten a number of people depending on my roll.

It obviously would come up short against undead/constructs since I couldn't use non-lethal on them, and anything immune to intimidate.

I guess let me know if this sounds fun, or if I'm being silly and should just play an inquisitor. And with it's somewhat awkward start up, would this be fun to play in PFS?

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Afterthought question, would the rouges frightening ability work with the enforcer feat?

Grand Lodge

Guided helps alot but it is also 3.5 material. Without it you would not be nearly as effective. +27 to hit still seems low for level 17.

Lets see, a barbarian would have +17 bab, +13 str (assuming 36 str while raging), +5 weapon, +2 furious enchant, + 1 haste. so +38, or +33 while power attacking(or +38 on first swing if he has furious focus). He would be swinging for 2d4 + 41 and critting on a 15-20. All while having pounce, DR 11/-, great saves vs spells, Much higher HP, etc etc.

so +38/+33/+28/+23/+18 +5 furious keen Falchion(2d4 +41, 15-20/x2).

AC 37-41 (depending on dex)= 10 + 11 Armor (+5 breastplate) + 2 shield(force ring) + 5 defelection + 10 Natural (amulet and beast totem) + 1-4 dex + 1 luck - 2 rage

or with reckless abandon

+43/+38/+33/+28/+23 for attack and an AC of 32-36.

Lower AC but DR 11/- more than makes up for it.

A fighter would be a little bit better but with less or no DR and a much higher AC, but you get the point. This was all just off the top of my head but if you want a full build i'm sure I would whip it up without much effort.

TL;DR Guided is the only reason monk is competitive and even with it they are still behind. Full martial characters should still be quite a bit above you.

Grand Lodge

I'm going to suggest outflank and precise strike as the teamwork feats. You might also want to look into cavalier. It has the ability to give teamwork feats to allies as a short term buff.

A rouge or ninja as one of yours would match up great if you can be flanking buddies with say the cavalier or a fighter/barbarian/ranger.

I would also recommend the feat butterfly sting.

Butterfly sting:

Butterfly’s Sting (Critical)
You can forgo a critical hit in order to pass it on to an ally.

Prerequisite: Combat Expertise.

Benefit: When you confirm a critical hit against a creature, you can choose to forgo the effect of the critical hit and grant a critical hit to the next ally who hits the creature with a melee attack before the start of your next turn. Your attack only deals normal damage, and the next ally automatically confirms the hit as a critical.

Have one of you use a 18-20 weapon and the other use a great axe or scythe. Have the guy with the 18-20 (or 15-20 with keen) set up the high crit mod guy for an auto crit.

Fun stuff

Grand Lodge

I am just not a fan of this spell as a whole. It is overall better than shocking grasp in every way. Same damage, at a range, no spell resistance, and has a save or be staggered.

I saw this spell yesterday with devastating effect by a cross blooded sorcerer.

It puts me at ease to see it can't be used with spellstrike though. =D.

Grand Lodge

I had to download it to read it, i couldn't see it on google docs.

Grand Lodge

Great read.

Grand Lodge

Dot.

Grand Lodge

In the Tome of secrets there is a pathfinder version of Artificer. It's been awhile since I've read it or it's 3.5 counterpart. Again it is 3rd party so you'll have to pass it by the

Tome of secrets

Here it is online.

Hope this helps.

Grand Lodge

I have a follow player that is using it the second way, and is using the body in rounds per day that can be separated up.

I believe it is the other way around so its once per day for X rounds and one person per round. But I'm not gonna get anywhere on that because its up to the GM to change that, and as the GM is his GF that's not going to happen. -.-

Oh well what can you do.

Grand Lodge

I disagree, every other ability that says you can split up the rounds per days says so specifically. I believe it is only usable once per day and it lasts X number of rounds, or less if you choose.

My question is can it be used to heal multiple people in one round?

energybody excerpt wrote:


... Once per round, if you pass through a living allied creature’s square or the ally passes through your square, it heals 1d6 hit points + 1 per oracle level....

So does that mean you can only heal one person per round or if everyone stood in a line = move speed and you walked through them, you could heal each of them for that amount in a single round?

Grand Lodge

The Original file is working very nicely, thank you. I failed my check to notice it in the original post.

Thanks again, this will be a fun tool to play around with.

Grand Lodge

Awesome spread sheet. Quick question though, when I download the sheet and run it on my local copy of excel it does not like the L column. It works in google docs but doesn't work in excel 2010.

Is anyone else having this issue?

Grand Lodge

I would assume the master since it is still the master's spell. The Familiar is just delivering it.

Grand Lodge

I would say Druids and Paladins absolutely can't as they existed in core. Oracles I would say would be able to if they were 12th level.

And Since witches are arcane technechly I wouldn't allow it. Samsaran clerics/oracles yes, anything else no because it would be borrowing the remove disease spell from witches spell list.

Just my opinion though.

Grand Lodge

Thanks again guys. Delta that is a good way of putting it, and what I will pitch to the DM as the purposed solution.

Grand Lodge

So I am looking at making a water specialist wizard. This means my "opposed school" would be fire. My question is, what if a spell is on both lists? (eg on my water list as well as the fire list, such as the summon monsters?)

I could see the justification that it would cost 2 spells slots if I wanted to summon a fire elemental but that doesn't quite fit with the rest of the rules.

Thanks ahead of time for the help.

Grand Lodge

The -2 CR you see is most likely the Minus you apply to say a kobold Barbarian 4 would be CR2, Adding the template should take it back to CR4. Likewise if the barbarian was level 2 instead it would be CR 1/2 not CR 0.

Grand Lodge

they are CR 1/4, so adding a CR +2 should take it to a CR 1 at least.

Grand Lodge

Yes you can. If you use the race Samsarans, with the racial ability

Mystic Past Life (Su) You can add spells from another spellcasting class to the spell list of your current spellcasting class. You add a number of spells equal to 1 + your spellcasting class's key ability score bonus (Wisdom for clerics, and so on). The spells must be the same type (arcane or divine) as the spellcasting class you're adding them to. For example, you could add divine power to your druid class spell list, but not to your wizard class spell list because divine power is a divine spell. These spells do not have to be spells you can cast as a 1st-level character. The number of spells granted by this ability is set at 1st level. Changes to your ability score do not change the number of spells gained. This racial trait replaces shards of the past.

Since witch is an arcane caster and has the cure spells on it's list so you can pick up a few of them. Also the Razmiran Priest archtype gives you some options but no actual cure spells on you list.

Edit: Ninja'd by Serisan, and yes bard is an option too over witch.

Grand Lodge

still epic thread.

Grand Lodge

I don't seem to be having any issues, using chrome here.

Grand Lodge

Just dropping a note of thanks, this will help if I ever need a good npc on the fly.

Grand Lodge

I personally like #2 but make it a once per day power. That way the players have to decide when is the best time to use it.

Grand Lodge

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Have str minuses count against you, but bonuses still not help. So dex 18 Str 8, have them only get +3 instead of the +4 from the 18 dex.

BOOM!!! balanced.

Grand Lodge

As a DM I am excited for this material as a different avenue to making bigger and better encounters. As you have stated Players are already borderline superheroes. These rules will lead to some truly epic super villains.

I'm tossing around giving my players access to some tier 1 abilities, but for the playtest at least I am going to assign abilities and flaws to them as opposed to this being another avenue to min/max something ridiculous.

my 2cp.

Grand Lodge

Hey guys,

I'm looking for some help here. I want one of my last big fights of my current homebrew campaign to be against an avatar/aspect of Szuriel, the Horsemen of war.

I was hoping I could get some help for designing such a creature that so that it would be a memorable fight. I'm hoping to land in the CR19-20 range.

Any ideas?

Grand Lodge

I'm ok with the PC's acting first against non-mythic's but the extra turn seems to be way too much. An extra turn is what I would give a solo encounter BBEG to keep up with action economy of the party. I also believe this will bog down combat with everyone taking 2 turns. Its just a bit too much to give to everyone baseline, and so early in the tiers.

Grand Lodge

I'd be happy with just a light version, had to cancel my print at work today because it was taking forever on a laser printer.

Grand Lodge

Awesome undead and paladin don't really go together in my book but to each their own.

While yes technically an atonement would fix you for a short while ultimately I as a GM would rule that the act of becoming a grave knight so heinous that atonement would not fix it. Have you read up on grave knights at all? The acts that must be done to become one are some of the worst things a person could do, let alone a paladin. Not to forget that the act of raising an undead is an evil act (up for debate i guess) and you are raising yourself.

Also the graveknights armor is inherently evil and as that is where you soul lives, I'm not sure how you could argue being good.

Here just read more about them and them me in a compelling argument how they could ever be good, let alone a paladin. It'd be like having have lich paladin, or cleric of a LG deity.

Grand Lodge

1 person marked this as FAQ candidate.

no, all undead are evil and by the fact you cannot be a paladin and undead. Switching to anti-paladin would make more sense, but I as a GM would never let a player have such a powerful template. That may just be me though.

Grand Lodge

I see. So since it is worded slightly different it does make sense by RAW that it increases. The question arises that since it is a bonus and not a base natural armor does that mean you get to keep the bonus when you poly say when using form of the dragon?

I am not sure on this one as I assume the DD class feature natural armor you get to keep but the base from the draconic blood line you don't.

Grand Lodge

One thing to remember is that the natural armor from Draconic resistances and snakeskin do not stack.

snake skin:

Snakeskin (Ex): At 9th level, you gain a +1 bonus to natural armor, a +2 racial bonus on saves against poison, and a +2 bonus on Escape Artist checks. At 13th level and 17th level, these bonuses increase by +1.

Draconic resistances:

Dragon Resistances (Ex): At 3rd level, you gain resist 5 against your energy type and a +1 natural armor bonus. At 9th level, your energy resistance increases to 10 and natural armor bonus increases to +2. At 15th level, your natural armor bonus increases to +4.

This is due to the fact that they give you a natural armor, they are not increasing your existing natural armor, like DD does.

Dragon disciple:

Natural Armor Increase (Ex)

As his skin thickens, a dragon disciple takes on more and more of his progenitor's physical aspect. At 1st, 4th, and 7th level, a dragon disciple gains an increase to the character's existing natural armor (if any), as indicated on Table: Dragon Disciple. These armor bonuses stack.

The same would apply if you had a race that started with natural armor, you take the highest natural armor you have, not all of them added together unless it specially says so. Also the reason an amulet of natural armor would stack with everything above is because it is an enhancement bonus.

Grand Lodge

Hey guys, looking for some pointers. I have a build I want to play in an upcoming game. A dwarf barbarian/inquisitor of Gorum. The key point I want is a decent raging inquisitor, picking up 2 levels in Barbarian for fast movement, and a healthy amount of rounds of rage. So far here's what I'm looking at.

stats(20 point buy)
str 16 dex 12 con 14->16 int 10 wis 14->16 cha 8->6

Anger Inquisition

Traits
-magical knack
-<open for suggestions>

feats
1: Power attack
2: rage power (superstitious)
3: Extra rage power (Moment of Clarity)
5: Extra Rage, teamwork feat(outflank)
7: <open feat>
8: teamwork feat(precise strike)
9: <open feat>
...

plan to take Barb 2 then Inquisitor onward. I am considering at 7, 9, and 13 picking up extra rage power 3 more times and get the beast totem line for pounce and some extra AC, also considering spending one of the feats on Extra Bane to make up for missing a few levels of inquisitor. I plan to use a Dwarven Waraxe so I can switch between two handing and having a shield.

Are there any other rage powers worth looking into? I'm not sure I'm sold on the beast totem line just because I'll get claws I won't end up using (unless I have to fight naked, which has happened to me in the past when I had a character with claws funny enough).

With my Anger Inquisition on top of my levels in barbarian, that means I should get con + 6 rounds(barb levels) + wis + inquisitor lvl-3 + 6 from extra rage feat. I want to say using most of my feats for rage powers is a cool idea, but I want to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious.

My reflex save is going to be kinda cruddy, but my other saves should be good - and they will be great against spells. I will put stat level ups in str looking at the stats right now.

Suggestions?

Grand Lodge

Familiars are quite nice. Do you use the Arcane Strike feat? If so you wouldn't be able to use that with arcane Accuracy, so that would be a turn off. The same goes for spell shield, as it using an immediate action.

Besides the three I mentioned I don't find any of the other level 3 arcana to be all that attractive.

Grand Lodge

So the final say on a heighten Deeper darkness or darkness spell is that it would need an equivalently heightened or higher light spell to negate it or dispel it.

Or even if the deeper darkness is heightened to say 6th level, it could still be suppressed by a 3rd level daylight?

Grand Lodge

Jiggy wrote:
Tormad wrote:

Ok just so I'm straight on this, let me give a situation and see what happens.

- I have an npc start off a fight by throwing half a dozen coins with deeper darkness cast on them to a bunch of points in a room. The starting light in the room is dim. So with this the light would drop two notches to magical darkness (which would be the case with just one casting of deeper darkness).

- Now the cleric casts her daylight spell. Would the light in the room go up to darkness or dim light? I assume in no case would it go up to normal light. What if the original light in the room is darkness, deeper darkness would take it down two steps but as magical darkness is the lowest you can go, would the daylight take it back up to darkness or would it stay magical darkness due to daylight only increasing it 1 step and deeper darkness takes it down 2 steps?

No matter how many points are radiating DD, the daylight will negate any of the area with which it overlaps, returning to ambient light levels. Within the overlapping areas, you won't even be counting "steps" up and down the "light level ladder" - both effects are suppressed, leaving you with whatever light level would be there if neither spell were active. Period.

Ok that's what I was thinking, but just wanted to double check.

Jiggy wrote:
Tormad wrote:
- Also on a side note, what effect does mundane light have on deeper darkness? If the room was originally lit by torches making it normal light, would the deeper darkness take the room down two steps of the normal light from the torches or would it negate the mundane light and take it down two steps from what it would be from natural light (such as that from the moon which would mean dim light.)

DD functions as darkness which says in its description that it prevents mundane light sources from raising the light level at all. So a torchlit room that's then subjected to DD will lose its torchlight AND drop two steps. As a result, DD used indoors will almost always result in supernatural darkness.

Very cool. Thanks again guys. So within the radius of a daylight spell would mundane light function again, since the two are negating each other?

Grand Lodge

Ok just so I'm straight on this, let me give a situation and see what happens.

- I have an npc start off a fight by throwing half a dozen coins with deeper darkness cast on them to a bunch of points in a room. The starting light in the room is dim. So with this the light would drop two notches to magical darkness (which would be the case with just one casting of deeper darkness).

- Now the cleric casts her daylight spell. Would the light in the room go up to darkness or dim light? I assume in no case would it go up to normal light. What if the original light in the room is darkness, deeper darkness would take it down two steps but as magical darkness is the lowest you can go, would the daylight take it back up to darkness or would it stay magical darkness due to daylight only increasing it 1 step and deeper darkness takes it down 2 steps?

- Also on a side note, what effect does mundane light have on deeper darkness? If the room was originally lit by torches making it normal light, would the deeper darkness take the room down two steps of the normal light from the torches or would it negate the mundane light and take it down two steps from what it would be from natural light (such as that from the moon which would mean dim light.)

Thanks again guys, I just want to make sure I'm crafting quality encounters for my players.

Grand Lodge

If you want to give the PC something cool, make the cool item something the eidolon can use, not the summoner.

Grand Lodge

Before:

Destrachan CR 8
NE Large aberration
Init +5; Senses blindsight 100 ft.; Perception +27

DEFENSE
AC 19, touch 11, flat-footed 17 (+1 Dex, +1 dodge, +8 natural, -1 size)
hp 90 (12d8+36)
Fort +9, Ref +7, Will +12; +4 vs sonic attacks
Defensive Abilities protection from sonics; Immune gaze attacks, visual effects, illusions, and attacks relying on sight; Resist sonic 30

OFFENSE
Speed 30 ft.
Melee bite +12 (2d6+4), 2 claws +12 (1d8+4)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 5 ft.
Special Attacks destructive harmonics

STATISTICS
Str 18, Dex 13, Con 16, Int 13, Wis 18, Cha 13
Base Atk +9; CMB +14; CMD 26
Feats Dodge, Great Fortitude, Improved Initiative, Lightning Reflexes, Mobility, Vital Strike
Skills Climb +19, Perception +27, Sense Motive +16, Stealth +12, Survival +19; Racial Modifiers +8 Perception (hearing only)
Languages Common (cannot speak)

SPECIAL ABILITIES
Destructive Harmonics (Su)

A destrachan can project a blast of sonic energy in a cone up to 80 feet long or in a 30-foot radius burst centered on itself as a standard action. It can adjust the harmonics of its sonic cry to generate one of two different effects on targets within the area of effect, but can only create one of these effects with each use of this ability. The save DCs are Constitution-based.

Destruction: All creatures within the area of effect of the destructive harmonics take 8d6 points of sonic damage—a DC 19 Reflex save halves this damage. If the destrachan wishes, this damage can instead deal nonlethal damage rather than sonic damage. Alternatively, the destrachan can target a single crystal, metal, stone, or wooden object within 80 feet with this attack—that object takes 8d6 points of damage. This damage is not halved when applied to the object’s hit points, but is reduced by the object’s hardness. A magical or attended object can attempt a DC 19 Reflex save to halve the damage.

Pain: Rather than deal damage, the destrachan can cause intense pain and overwhelming sound to affect all creatures within the area. Targets in the area must succeed on a DC 19 Fortitude save to avoid being stunned for 1 round and deafened for 1d6 rounds.

Protection from Sonics (Ex)

A destrachan gains a +4 racial bonus on all saves against sonic attacks. It is immune to the effects of its own destructive harmonics. A destrachan whose sense of hearing is impaired is effectively blinded, treating all targets as if they had total concealment.

After:

Destrachan, Zombie CR 5
NE Large aberration
Init +0; Senses perception +0

DEFENSE
AC 12, touch 9, flat-footed 12 (+3 natural, -1 size)
hp 70 (14d8+14)
Fort +4, Ref +4, Will +7;
Defensive Abilities undead traits
dr5/slashing

OFFENSE
Speed 30 ft.
Melee bite +14 (2d6+5), 2 claws +14 (1d8+5)
or slam +14 (1d8+5), bite +14 (2d6+5)
Space 10 ft.; Reach 5 ft.
Special Attacks

STATISTICS
Str 20, Dex 11, Con -, Int -, Wis 10, Cha 10
Base Atk +10; CMB +14; CMD 26
Feats Toughness
Skills
Languages

SPECIAL ABILITIES

Staggered (Ex)

Zombies have poor reflexes and can only perform a single move action or standard action each round. A zombie can move up to its speed and attack in the same round as a charge action.

There is a quick translation, took a couple minutes.

Rules for making a zombie are here. After you do a couple it will become super quick and easy to make the switch.

Grand Lodge

One thing to remember,

The guide wrote:


Domain Spells: Depending on the domain you choose (see below), your domain spells selections could either be really good, or mediocre. We’ll look more into domain specifics in another section.

Inquisitor domain:

Domain

Like a cleric’s deity, an inquisitor’s deity influences her alignment, what magic she can perform, and her values. Although not as tied to the tenets of the deity as a cleric, an inquisitor must still hold such guidelines in high regard, despite that fact she can go against them if it serves the greater good of the faith. An inquisitor can select one domain from among those belonging to her deity. She can select an alignment domain only if her alignment matches that domain. With the GM’s approval, an inquisitor can be devoted to an ideal instead of a deity, selecting one domain to represent her personal inclination and abilities. The restriction on alignment domains still applies.

Each domain grants a number of domain powers, depending on the level of the inquisitor. An inquisitor does not gain the bonus spells listed for each domain, nor does she gain bonus spell slots. The inquisitor uses her level as her effective cleric level when determining the power and effect of her domain powers. If the inquisitor has cleric levels, one of her two domain selections must be the same domain selected as an inquisitor. Levels of cleric and inquisitor stack for the purpose of determining domain powers and abilities, but not for bonus spells.

Inquisitors don't gain the spells from a domain, just the domain powers.

Grand Lodge

Still always a funny thought, the dragon could alter self into a halfling but still have his almost 40 some strength.

Grand Lodge

I would assume "DD" stands for Dragon disciple. I am absorbing the build. It could be effective. Your mid levels 4-7 could be pretty tough.

Grand Lodge

This advantage is short lived. The other players will be able to get their hands on some weapons, armor, spell books, etc pretty quickly as long as they don't sit around doing nothing.

Spoiler:

Near the beginning Sandra gives them a couple items and it is suggested that a spell component pouch be something you give them. Also Plugg could threaten the sorcerer and summoner that if he sees their magic out and about he will keel haul them. Maybe start with the hotbox as a warning. And if nothing else have peppery smack them around as she is a much higher level sorcerer than them.

Grand Lodge

If he has no armor check penalty there is no penalty for not being prof with the armor. So he can wear medium or even heavy just fine, if you can find a way to get the ACP down to 0.

Grand Lodge

A couple questions. My party just left rickety's last night and are out making a name for themselves, and I was just wondering what cities I should be aware of that they could go to besides port peril and blood cove? I am not very familiar with Golarion but want to have options for the crew.

Second question is what port did your parties choose as a "home" port when they hit the first infamy threshold? I know mine is looking at Port Peril just because they don't really know many other options so this goes back to my first questions.

Thanks in advanced.

Grand Lodge

If you go Arcane bloodline that would net you a familiar or an arcane bonded item, both of which can be quite fun.

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