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On a second read-through of this particular thread it occurred to me that I had only read through the first page, not the rest of the other posts... sorry for that. As for the paladin remaining Lawful Good - I am completely comfortable with that. To see what a paladin stands for and create or manipulate abilities and skills around those ideals is the best way to go. I like the idea presented earlier of the various Oaths. It offers the player flexibility much like the rogue's ability to choose particular special abilities. Compassion = Healing, Truth = Zone of Truth, Justice = Retributive Strike, Hospitality = bonus to Charisma based skills or healing, etc. All of these make sense to me. I also believe that the mount is a great option but in most campaigns becomes unnecessary because the party spends 85% of their time in cramped dungeons. It should be an option, but perhaps one of several the paladin has at her disposal such as communing with other celestial agents of her deity. The idea of a squire is a good start but perhaps a free Leadership feat that gives the option of a younger paladin or acolyte to serve with and learn from the paladin. Erik Mona wrote:
I agree with all of your points above, Eric. It does not seem reasonable. I wonder though if the paladin's abilities and spells could be written as "non-denominational"? For example: Smite Evil/Law/Good/Chaos becomes "smite heretic" and whichever opposite half of the crusader's alignment (Lawful vs. Chaotic or Good vs. Evil) the player chooses is permanent. If they choose the diametrically opposed alignment (Lawful Good vs. Chaotic Evil) they get double smite damage (or at least a bonus) because it would be used less often Lay on Hands must be either positive or negative energy as the cleric's turning ability is now described. They channel this energy into their weapon and charge it with good, evil, chaotic, or lawful energy as a swift action. This takes away from their total number of daily turning attempts. Dario Nardi wrote: the plague aura complicates some situations, such as traveling with a party. Maybe allow the cleric to suppress / resume the aura as a free action or something similar? Otherwise I like it. I thought of that but I realized that a cleric of disease would have no problem with making other people ill. Since many of the "evil" gods, goddesses and their domains would most likely be used by NPC's this wouldn't be too much of an issue. As for a high level plague lord... well you better give her a wide berth... Narthon wrote: If the dwarf is to take a penalty to dex, give it a bonus to disable device. I don't want to see the dwarven thiefcatcher/trapfinder build using rogue as the base class to be hurt. But dwarves always have excellent tools which make up for their Dexterity loss. A "thiefcatcher" or "trapfinder" will be able to use their skills and stonecunning to find the traps and their masterfully crafted tools to deal with them. If you're speaking about a particular prestige class then that can be handled in the prestige class description. I like how Pathfinder RPG has a few domains that clerics of only one particular god or goddess have access to. In that same vein I thought it would be appropriate for Urgathoa to have her own disease domain. Besides, the war domain does not seem to fit. Disease Domain Deities: Urgathoa Caster
1st Touch of Disease (Su): You have the ability to spoil food or drink with but a touch. This makes water undrinkable and food inedible. You also have the ability to nauseate a target with a melee touch attack. This effect lasts for a number of rounds equal to your Charisma modifier. Once a subject has been affected by a Touch of Disease it is immune to the effects of another for 1 day. 2nd Inflict Light Wounds (Sp): You can cast [inflict light wounds[/i] 1/day per every two caster levels. 4th Contagion (Sp): You can cast contagion 1/day 8th Tolerance (Su): If ever affected by a disease you show all outwards signs and symptoms but suffer no ill effects, thus making you functionally immune to all diseases. 12th Highly Virulent (Su): Demon fever, devil chills, and mummy rot are now available to you when you cast contagion. 16th Aura of Plague (Su): Your body is riddled with disease and all those within 30 feet must make a Fortitude save DC 15 + half your caster level or become sickened. This effect lasts until they leave the aura and for 3 rounds afterwards. 20th Power World Kill (Sp): The diseases and foul magic that course through your body have become so powerful that you can unleash them against one opponent. You can cast power word kill 1/day. Change the racial traits to:
Gruff: Dwarves receive a -2 modifier to any Diplomacy checks because they can be a bit stubborn when trying to negotiate. Here's my logic: The SRD states: "Charisma measures a character’s force of personality, persuasiveness, personal magnetism, ability to lead, and physical attractiveness. This ability represents actual strength of personality, not merely how one is perceived by others in a social setting." I always felt that dwarves have a very strong force of personality, have an ability to lead, etc. Sure they might be hard to deal with but this shouldn't mean that dwarven clerics, sorcerers, and paladins are at a loss for their Charisma. Have them be poor negotiators, not necessarily less charismatic. A negative Diplomacy modifier makes sense. It also makes more sense to give them a negative modifier to Dexterity. They have stubby fingers and they are not as agile. This is why dwarves typically rely on sturdy (and usually restrictive) plate mail instead of light chain. xdahnx wrote: Greylan's Gentle Grapple This item completely takes away from the fear of falling, being split up, spending the night in a dungeon, etc. While I can see the appeal from a player's perspective I can see DM's hating it. Besides, if a villain has it she can always escape prison, a grapple, a hard fight, etc. Starglim wrote:
Thanks, Starglim. I like the potlatch idea as well. Perhaps I should have saved it for my country description or presented it as a DM's secret. On further reflection and reading my submission I realize that its presented as if every warrior has one of these. This kind of takes the "wondrous" out of wondrous item. I should have explained that the elite warriors and chiefs carry these. Anyone else? Mask of the Sea-Reavers, Eagle These wooden masks are carved and stylized in the shape of particular totem animals. They are brightly colored and usually adorned with feathers, teeth, or claws of the appropriate animal. The native half-elves who make these masks practice “potlatch” or formal gift-giving. If a mask is given freely as a gift to someone outside the family, tribe, or group (DM's discretion) the native gods smile upon the giver. He receives an inherent bonus of +1 to his charisma score. This bonus is available only once and is lost if the group ever buys or steals a similar mask. Note: explorers and survivors have reported eagle, raven, and bear masks. Rumors speak of more exotic masks. Eagle
Moderate conjuration; CL 10; Craft Wondrous Item, obscuring mist, eagle’s splendor; Price: 40,000 gp; Weight 1lb. ancientsensei wrote:
I was also counting the protection from nightmare and similar effects as well as the insight into traps, etc. as two more powers. Don't get me wrong, it's got some good flavor but it just seemed a bit busy - in light of the comments regarding the winning items. I submitted something else (see above) so don't think it was duplicated due to my comments. After seeing the winners and reading some of the comments here's how I would edit it: Mask of the Sea-Reavers, Eagle revised Spoiler:
These wooden masks are carved and stylized in the shape of particular totem animals. They are brightly colored and usually adorned with feathers, teeth, or claws of the appropriate animal.
Note: explorers and survivors have reported eagle, raven, and bear masks. Rumors speak of more exotic masks. Eagle
Moderate conjuration; CL 7; Craft Wondrous Item, obscuring mist; Price: 5,000 gp; Weight 1lb. I believe I have already figured out what I did wrong... I was trying to foreshadow a possible culture/country with my item to get a "leg up" for the second round. This caused me to make two mistakes. The first was to add a second power to my item which was a bit exotic and therefore distracting. I under-priced the item because I was too focused on the primary power, not the secondary. The second mistake was to put too much flavor text. This made my item all the more complicated when I should have just stuck with simple. Here is my original submission: Mask of the Sea-Reavers, Eagle Spoiler:
These wooden masks are carved and stylized in the shape of particular totem animals. They are brightly colored and usually adorned with feathers, teeth, or claws of the appropriate animal.
The native half-elves who make these masks practice “potlatch” or formal gift-giving. If a mask is given freely as a gift to someone outside the family, tribe, or group (DM's discretion) the native gods smile upon the giver. He receives an inherent bonus of +1 to his charisma score. This bonus is available only once and is lost if the group ever buys or steals a similar mask. Note: explorers and survivors have reported eagle, raven, and bear masks. Rumors speak of more exotic masks. Eagle
Moderate conjuration; CL 10; Craft Wondrous Item, obscuring mist, eagle’s splendor; Price: 40,000 gp; Weight 1lb. Vic Wertz wrote: No. You'll know if you didn't make the cut when the list of people advancing to the next round doesn't include you. That's what I figured. But for some reason this particular thread had me thinking that people had already started receiving notices. Thanks for the answers, Mark and Vic. Jason Grubiak wrote:
Of course the art has to be different, it has to offer them the opportunity to create brand new lines of mini's that you MUST buy to play the game. Erik Mona wrote:
Erik, this is a huge relief. I would like to continue contact with Paizo and continue offering ideas, manuscripts and the such. Thanks. James Sutter wrote:
LOL. I've actually done that before. The Jade wrote: It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. I don't think I ever posted any comment regarding your personal religious convictions, Jade. My comments about atheism were not meant towards any individual. If they offended or got your hackles up I apologize. Instead they were meant to clarify the term "atheism." I think that term is misused. Usually "agnostic" is more appropriate for most people. IIRC you claimed to be an atheist and now you seem to be connecting your belief to "pantheism." This is still a form of believing in a divine power. To find God in the beauty, complexity, and laws of nature and the universe is NOT atheism. It may not be Jesus Christ, the bearded old guy you mentioned previously, or any other image any other human attaches to the divine. But it's not atheism. One should have a personal relationship with the divine. One should not parrot what another person says. But as one should not automatically agree with everything other people say one should not automatically disagree with everything other people say. This happens in academia, politics, and religion and it pisses me off to no end. But we want open-mindedness and in this particular debate the religious are often called close-minded. By close-minded non-theists who are unwilling to listen. I'm glad that on this particular forum people are at least reading. Hill Giant wrote: I'm in no way qualified to talk about the universe before the big bang, so I can't rule out the possibility of a demiurge. Well, Stephen Hawkins believes in God. As did Eintsein. In fact a lot of our greatest minds come to believe in God from their study of the macro or the micro of our universe. Aubrey the Malformed wrote: Yeah - but the holy text says the world was created in six days, which flatly contradicts our scientific understanding. If you are prepared to disbelieve large chunks of the Bible, then I can see your point. But then, why bother believing any of it? This is what I don't understand about the supposed compatibility of science and religion - at what point do you stop believing the Bible and start believing science? Although Moff touched upon some of this let's clear this up... Fundamentalists who believe the Bible literally may have problems regarding many scientific principals. As a Roman Catholic I do not read the Bible literally. There is a difference between literal or historical truth and spiritual truth. I find it necessary to explain myself and since a few people are summarizing the creation story in the book of Genesis I'll use that. Genesis was written after generations of semetic peoples (in this case the Israelites or Hebrews) shared an oral tradition of their understanding of the creation of the world. This was also created in relation to the Babylonian creation myth (which by the way has many similarities) since the Hebrews were exiled and lived among them. But where the Babylonian creation myth has order and chaos and good and evil in a battle for supremacy and pretty much in balance the Hebrew creation myth always has law and good (God) constantly winning and having supremacy. First there was amorphous chaos and darkness, pretty scary stuff because it is mysterious and unknown. Then God creates light and makes order out of chaos. While this happens is constantly repeated the phrase: "and it was good." The major theme in this creation myth is the idea that God makes order out of chaos and is always striving for good. The seven days is actually a "3+3+1" pattern to help remember what was created when in the oral tradition. 1st Day: Light.....................................4th day: stars in the sky (thus a "concentration" of the light)
Many people choose to ignore the history surrounding the writing of a text. Instead of looking for the literal historical accuracy one instead should look for a spiritual or moral truth when reading scripture. Moff Rimmer wrote: As I understand it, the same word for "Hell" can also mean "under the ground", "under the earth", "down", or even "cave". Actually, the Hebrew concept for the realm of the dead was called "She'ol." This is a grand cavern under the earth that all dead people go to. It was not considered punishment as is the Christian concept of hell - it just was. You're right about there being misinterpretations of language. Many versions of the Bible have been misquoted and mistranslated from the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts. For example the King James Bible was changed to support royalty and thus more "proper." EDIT - It should be noted that many denominations have changed the translation to better fit their politics or power structure. There are current movements to go back to the earliest documents to make sense of it all. Moff Rimmer wrote: There is a lot of Revelations that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. From the Catholic scholar perspective the Book of Apocolypse (Greek word for "revelation" or "revealed knowledge") is actually a work of inspired political satire. John of Patmos was incarcerated for being Christian (As were many Christians of his time). And because it was illegal to be Christian the images that he shares are highly metaphorical, a code. For example: "Jesus with a sword for a tongue" is his way of showing the Word of God is a powerful tool or weapon. Or "the six-headed beast" is actually the empire of Rome because there were six Roman emperors that had persecuted Christians by the time John wrote his book. Reading the Book of Revelation through this lens we begin to see a message of hope for the persecuted Christians of his time: "Sure, we're arrested, tortured, and thrown to the lions, but what awaits our persecutors is far worse and our future is going to be great!" In fact, some say that the events of Revelation have indeed come to pass already because the empire of Rome became Christian (thus falling to the Word of God) and was a grand kingdom of peace and prosperity (until those in power became just as misguided and began persecuting non-Christians, then the eventual fall of Rome, etc.). Hope this helps. Jade and Sean,
Grimcleaver,
I'm curious, how could an atheist, who by definition does not believe in God seek a God they do not believe exists? If one is seeking it would seem more along the lines of agnosticism. Or has the seeking stopped? And just because we can measure what happens in the brain when someone smells an apple pie and that we understand what is going on biochemically when one sees an apple does not mean that the apple pie does not exist nor that the smell is invalid. Mmmmm... apple pie. Hill Giant wrote:
Of course it should. Many times these revelations are meant to be shared. But in the skeptical atmosphere found in contemporary society these people are labeled as the aforementioned kooks. Also, many people will not go through the necessary steps available to them to have a similar experience. They close themselves off to a religious experience because they think it foolish or illogical. Human error is as much a part of religion as it is a part of science. If you ever have the opportunity to make an Ignatian 30 day retreat I suggest you do because it can bring about a powerful experience. If the 30 days is hard to break away check out a similar and easier meditation: Examen. A religious experience is very personal but not necessarily any less valid. I understand that when it comes to science we use public scrutiny as a litmus test. But science and religion do not necessarily contradict each other. The scientific method is a way of finding out more about our universe. Religion is a way to understand the meaning behind the universe. Just because we have found that certain groupings of protons and electrons form particular elements and behave in a particular fashion and organized them in a nice chart doesn't mean that God cannot or does not exist. Just because species evolve through natural selection and seemingly random mutations either survive or die off does not mean that a divine being cannot or does not exist. A healthy skepticism is a good thing -- especially for those who believe. kahoolin wrote: Could you please give an example of a "fact?" The only things I can think of that are 100% unavoidably true in all imaginable situations are logical (a priori) truths like "B=B", "a car is a car" or "no married man is a bachelor." Everything else requires trusting the evidence of your senses. I guess you could call that faith, but that would be a very skeptical way to view knowledge, and incidentally makes religious faith even less justified as there is not even any sense-evidence for it. Facts are typically agreed upon understandings and explanations of experiences. Evolution, natural selection, these explanations fit our observations of what is presented to us and so many of us agree upon their validity. Much like how many people of the Middle Ages believed the world was flat because based on what they observed it was a fact that the world didn't "bend." We may be right, we may be wrong.... but we need to be comfortable with the idea that we may be wrong. Only then can we be more comfortable with our belief (this is true for religious belief as well). And there are millions of pieces of sense-evidence for religious faith. Many theists claim to have a religious experience during prayer, meditation, and worship. There are quite a few "miraculous" healings on record. For me to close myself off to how we understand the universe through science is just as foolhardy for me to close myself off to how we understand the universe through spirituality and religion. Hill Giant wrote:
If you speak of something being intrinsic and by your own description so prolific in nature would it not have to have some sort of cause? "It's just there" seems a bit weak on the whole causality of the universe. (Sorry, just read the Summa Theologica.) And I hate to play devil's advocate here but what you claim is "unavoidable evidence" another can see as coincidence. From my perspective you (myself, and many others) indeed believe in evolution and other scientific theories and postulates. We have an experience (in this case of witnessing "evidence") and some attribute it to a higher being, others as just dumb cosmic luck, etc. You believe in and have faith in the theory of evolution. You must have faith in it because it is not fact. Hopefully our faith is constantly seeking understanding. As humans we strive to understand and according to Karl Rahner to ask a question is one of the most basic of human actions. But I find it alien for me when atheists ignore/avoid the basic question of meaning. What does it all mean? The universe? My life? Our humanity? etc., etc., etc.? Timault Azal-Darkwarren wrote:
I apologize if my attempt to brighten these boards with a little light humor got anyone riled up. Who am I but a simple writer in upstate NY awaiting a snowstorm...
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