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Goblin Squad Member. RPG Superstar 6 Season Star Voter, 8 Season Star Voter. Pathfinder Adventure Path, Maps, Modules Subscriber. FullStarFullStar Pathfinder Society GM. 957 posts (960 including aliases). 1 review. No lists. No wishlists. 41 Pathfinder Society characters. 2 aliases.


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Andrew Christian wrote:

Um going to say the following bits with two caveats. 1) This is how I learned to roleplay, how I prefer to roleplay and I fully understand that others may enjoy this passtime differently. And 2) I'm in no way trying to say badwrongfun, but feel the opposite is being said of how I enjoy things.

There is a difference if you care about roleplay continuity if character.

Continuity is what you make of it in PFS.

Examples & blatant rhetoric:
Do you refuse to sit at tables with characters who have gone through the same scenarios that you have, but with a different group?
If not, do you tell them they're lying when they tell you about it - just to keep it "in character" as your character should have seen them there and they obviously weren't ... Probably not.

We are at 7 Season of PFS now, and not all of us have been playing since the beginning.
I played a Season 0 last night with a character than had GM credit & had to be completely ret-conned because of PFS changes. Should I make sure to break the 4th wall appropriately to ensure "continuity"? ... Probably not.

If an NPC dies in a scenario you've played and then you end up playing an earlier scenario with that NPC, do you disrupt the table in character to try to resolve the continuity issue? ... I would hope not.

-TimD

EDIT: removed what may have been construed as a personal attack on another forum member at the cost of another opportunity for a Princess Bride quote lost...


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Krensky wrote:
Flint's not their opposition. He's called both sides of the slap fight stupid.

I don't think I can agree with that assessment.

While there are multiple sides to this, from what I've seen and read it basically boils down to: Hugos have been biased - yes / no. (via "message more important than fiction" &/or "anti-conservative")

Flint was effectively attempting to defend the argument that they were not. Admittedly, when I read it he was quite a bit less inflammatory than most when making his points about the opposition, but that hardly puts him on "yes" side of the argument any more than Correia / Sad Puppies not agreeing with everything that Vox / Rabid Puppies say or believe puts them on the "no" side.

As someone who is sometimes confused with being a Republican, I've found the arguments quite interesting and the tactics often appalling.


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thejeff wrote:
TimD wrote:

... or you could read about it from the guy that started Sad Puppies, here.

EDIT:

Lord Snow wrote:
Incredible articles. I think there is no need to read any further than them about the subject. Thanks for the links.
I find it useful to see how one side speaks about itself rather than relying on their opposition to speak for them.
If so, then you want to read Vox Day, since it's the Rapid Puppies who were successful in filling the nominations, not the Sad ones.

I have.

I've also read Scalzi's.

I admit, I read a lot - its a weakness :)

-TimD


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... or you could read about it from the guy that started Sad Puppies, here.

EDIT:

Lord Snow wrote:
Incredible articles. I think there is no need to read any further than them about the subject. Thanks for the links.

I find it useful to see how one side speaks about itself rather than relying on their opposition to speak for them.

-TimD


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Talonhawke wrote:
I read the thread and I think I missed something somewhere. What is the controversy going on... if someone has the time to sum it up quickly.

SF/F culture clash with more drama than you'll find on the TNT network and more strawman arguments than you'll find in the Paizo rules thread in a month, flavored with tidbits of libel, accusations of lies, and the scent of elitism.

-TimD

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While I'm beginning to really, really hate the ongoing parade of erratas, I do want to say thanks to JohnC for how is handling this one.

-TimD


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The Paizo Golem.


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Crystal Frasier wrote:
Cave raptors are sated; it's time to blog!

Didn't realize how much I'd missed those blogs until I saw a new one start with that intro...

-TimD

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It IS an interesting sigil... an ouroborous echoing an infinity symbol with a sihedron & phoenix... maybe something involving the Knights of the Ioun Stone orders?


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They aren't the same ability, though.
Mechanically, they function in a similar manner, but that does not make them the same ability, only that Paizo didn't feel the need to generate more text and increase page count when it was unnecessary to describe a mechanic that was already in place.

Much like the swashbuckler has an ability that allows them to get a damage bonus based on their level with rapiers and a duelist has a similar ability, a character with both duelist and swashbuckler levels would add them together to determine the total damage bonus - they would not effectively be penalized for having levels in both.

I'm not seeing anything which would indicate that a character cannot both Smite Evil and Smite Chaos. If you've seen something indicating that, please by all means, share and I'll be happy to revisit my opinion on this one.

-TimD


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HWalsh wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
HWalsh wrote:
You pick up a fresh sheet you pick a class and you write a 1 next to it and you begin again.
That might be what you do. Me, I've gone to level 30, and would do it again. Anything to avoid retreading that same beaten path of 1st level again.

And that is fine. You can go to level 30, you can keep getting more and more and more and more powerful... If that is what you want to do... However you have to understand that the game was never built for that and was never really intended to do that.

So you can play the game as not intended all you like, and it isn't doing it wrong by any means, but you also can't complain that the game breaks down at some point under its own weight.

The Pathfinder sweet spot is between level 5 and level 15.

Disagree on all points.

-TimD


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As a player, would you find the encounter fun?

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Bogeyman: CR10
add Antipaladin 5: +5 CR (because there's no way antipaladin isn't "key" for a bogeyman, LOL)
add Ghost: +2 CR
add Favorable Terrain: +1 CR

Total CR 18 ea.

... and you have multiples? ... how many? ... against what level party?
... and how do they know who has the lowest Will save?

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The damage is untyped and one comes from paladin levels, the other from hellknight levels, so it is coming from two different sources. Therefore, damage would stack, but the Charisma bonuses would not because of the same type rule & FAQ about double-attribute stacking.

Also, keep in mind the action economy. Both smites require the character's swift action for that round, so cannot be activated on the same round that they activated the other smite ability, nor can they lay on hands on themselves in any round which they have activated a smite.

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Good luck, Fox.

I have 10 PFS chars I need to change out build progressions for because of the ACG errata, so I can commiserate ...

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Kevin Ingle wrote:
TimD wrote:
Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Free items from class features or prestige are worth 0 gold for purposes of reselling.

Really? Where is that specified?

The only thing I've seen that addresses selling class-specific starting equipment is:

Additional Resources, Ultimate Combat wrote:
Gunslinger: A gunslinger's starting gun (granted by the gunsmith class feature) is worth 22 gp if sold (the average of 4d10).
HERE

Random board post from 2012, that explains why I couldn't find it in the Guide...

Thanks!

-TimD

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Steven Schopmeyer wrote:
Free items from class features or prestige are worth 0 gold for purposes of reselling.

Really? Where is that specified?

The only thing I've seen that addresses selling class-specific starting equipment is:

Additional Resources, Ultimate Combat wrote:
Gunslinger: A gunslinger's starting gun (granted by the gunsmith class feature) is worth 22 gp if sold (the average of 4d10).


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Kalindlara wrote:
Marc Radle wrote:
TimD wrote:

First the change to books in a format I don't buy and now this.

Bummed :(

-TimD

Just out of curiosity ... what does that mean?
Tor Publishing is printing the books in a larger, "trade paperback" format, as opposed to the "mass market" novels we've gotten thus far.

^ exactly.

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Mark Stratton wrote:
I don't think photocopies establish proof of ownership (they would certainly satisfy the need to the document on hand for rules references, yes.) Watermarked .pdfs do (and altering secure .pdfs isn't as easy as some people think, nor will everyone have the ability/capacity to do so.)

I disagree with the portion of your statement I bolded.

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to refute this in any detail as Paizo board policy is understandably very unforgiving about discussing such details as they don't want to encourage piracy of their product.

Additional conversation could also be had discussing hardcopy forgeries, but again, I'm not sure what the limits are on this topic as far as Paizo moderation is concerned and I'd rather not poke that hornets nest of potential strife. Better to err on the side of caution that have to post again in the "apologize to Chris L. for your misdeeds" thread ;)

-TimD


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Liz Courts wrote:
Vic Wertz wrote:
Ashley Kaprielian wrote:
This is going to be my first GenCon and I'm really excited for the cosplay! You guys always do such a great job.
What character are you cosplaying as?
Wait—can Paizo employees do cosplay at the GenCon booth?! O.O

This sounds like a lead-in to another "overheard at Paizo" quote...

"I was cosplaying as Reiko, it's not MY fault that no one could see me at the GenCon booth".
<.<
>.>
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Imbicatus wrote:
There is also the fact that Wyroot is made from Wyrwood. Making weapons out of sentient beings is a little evil for PFS, which is likely why it was banned.

We just don't talk about the dragonscale armor...

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... for some reason, the druids get upset when we do. Something about "taking us out like the rogues did the vivisectionists".

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Paz wrote:
The heaviest books have the cheapest PDFs ($9.99). This is deliberate.

Not really. Paizo deliberately prices their "setting neutral" core books cheaper for .pdf in many cases and in one case (Inner Sea World Guide did so for a Golarion-specific hardcover, but in general their "splat book" .pdfs are priced very close to their hardcopy books). One of the Paizo folks (Vic or Erik, I think) actually go into it in a decent amount of detail in one of their posts, but I'm too caffeine-deprived to go looking for it at the moment.

Lab_Rat wrote:
Shrink wrapped books cut down on sales

Sad, but true. [cues Metallica]

-TimD


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First the change to books in a format I don't buy and now this.
Bummed :(

-TimD


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110. Infect them with were-poodle lycanthropy. Tell them that the only cure is by sacrificing other goblins to Zarongel with (un)holy fire.

(random observation on the strangeness of the modern world: my spell-check at work knows how to spell lycanthropy)

111. Use modify memory to make them think that they had learned to read and enjoyed it. Hand them a punch dagger and lock them in a room saying "you know what you have to do".

112. Cast a permanent illusion on them to make them look like a dog or horse as they are sleeping in their village. When they wake up, their neighbors will do the rest for you.


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Manwolf wrote:
Most Americans can't even tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim

This has always made me sad (mostly for the Sikhs).

-TimD


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I am cautiously optimistic about this one.

-TimD

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Chris Mortika wrote:
TimD wrote:
I'd rather see First Steps II & III restored as the faction changes are no more jarring to me from an immersion standpoint than playing Season 0 scenarios after playing more recent ones .
As general Pathfinder Society adventures, I'd agree with you, Tim. But do they serve as introductions to the campaign? I think they would need updating. (If only to change the little bits of "framing material" about the factions.)

I wouldn't mind seeing them updated, to be sure.

However, (at least as far as I know) we've pretty much never seen anything actually updated and re-released that is PFS-specific, other than the Guide. If it were an option, I'd love to see some of the "returned from retirement" scenarios that were run at PaizoCon released back into the wilds of general PFS play (if only to fill holes on my spreadsheet of played / unplayed).
That said, I understand that the Paizo staff has limited resources, though, so would be very surprised if resources at Paizo were diverted to do such an update.

If a Season 7 "repeatable intro series" were in the works, I'd rather see it as something with a slightly different flavor than First Steps / Confirmation, perhaps with PCs actually working for a PF Agent unknowingly and then being recruited into the Society afterwards or a"PCs show skills that make the society want THEM" or some other type of scenario that breaks from "your goal is to join the PF Society, now run errands until we decide you are worthy of our time". Anything which would allow for a player to have thematically different introductions to the Society and yet still be repeatable.

Also, nice intro for MoFF :)

-TimD

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Fomsie wrote:

OK, so, at this point I think we have the following covered:

Team Necromancer

Team Inquisitor

Team Hug-It-Out

and Balls

Does that about cover it?

Team Schadenfreude?

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We're going to have to agree to disagree as I think the threshold should be "broken enough to be irreparable and remove" rather than "remarkable enough to keep". Especially as I'd rather see First Steps II & III restored as the faction changes are no more jarring to me from an immersion standpoint than playing Season 0 scenarios after playing more recent ones (Ex. Many Fortunes of Grandmaster Torch after Rivalry's End) or similar scenarios which reference things which have changed since the campaign timeline has progressed.

-TimD

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As usual, I would oppose the elimination of any of our already limited content. The irony of a proposal to limit a mod to CORE only that was intended to showcase APG classes is not lost on me, either.

The inability of folks to agree on something that they all thinks are obvious and which are all mutually exclusive is hardly a new thing on the internet. Doubly or triply so on the Paizo boards. "It's more trouble than it's worth" is a really low bar and includes the majority of our content if viewed through the lenses of the internet.

-TimD


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NobodysHome wrote:
ryric wrote:
Casting a spell as your first response to meeting any new person seems like a good way to start a lot of unnecessary fights...

Did I mention, "Kids' game"? :-P

Succubus... kids game... um... yikes?!

Also, "you begin casting, initiative" is a good answer to limiting detect magic casting spam - NPCs who fail the check to identify the spell being cast or don't have Spellcraft may assume that it's a hostile spell ; also diplomacy is not generally an option once combat has begun.

-TimD


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Saldiven wrote:
Bandw2 wrote:
TimD wrote:


Now if they have active contingencies, then it could get messy...
why does a contingency move faster than a readied action?

Hrm. Maybe the interpretation would be that a readied action by definition takes place during the initiative sequence which doesn't occur until combat has started. A contingent spell can trigger at any time, even before combat starts.

Now, that's just based on a hyper-strict reading of the rules. The combat section says that "When combat begins, all combatants roll initiative." There is no other reference to initiative for outside of combat that I can find.

"Ready" is listed as one of a number of "Special Initiative Actions" that "change when you act during combat by altering your place in the initiative order."

Conversely, Contingency states that when the trigger condition is met, then contingency casts the spell "immediately" and "instantaneously." It need not occur during combat, and I would contend that Contingency might even break the initiative order in combat.

Though, back to a previous comment, I can't really see a rules basis for having a readied action when you're outside of combat, when a "readied action" is something specifically defined as something you do in combat.

^ sums it nicely.

-TimD


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I think you're thinking of the bugbear spell, Isolate (can't find a direct link to the spell, but on this page).

-TimD


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+1 for trap; no initiative before combat begins.

Now if they have active contingencies, then it could get messy...

-TimD


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Gregory Connolly wrote:
I think it would be really cool to see a code for Zarongel for example.

I think the only copy of the Code of Zarongel was burned on a pyre of dogs and horses along with the blasphemer who wrote it down.

-TimD

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Personally, I don't care.

That said, I'm probably biased as I often do it myself to try make sure the tables I play at are balanced (ie "need a healer? - great, I'll play a level 1 life oracle and apply the credit to a 1st level arcanist I'll probably not play until they're at least 2nd or 3rd level").

-TimD

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Thea Peters wrote:
claudekennilol wrote:

Obviously not. Between the two of us it doesn't seem like I'm the one that's not reading the conversation. The rux of the issue is "Is there a way for a player to provide the rules if he owns only physical books without having to carry those books around?"

One example of a way this could be done is to photocopy the necessary materials from said books. Obviously this isn't currently legal.

I've been a part of the previous 6 or 7 conversations .. so I'm well aware of what is wanted. Unfortunately nothing that has ever been said in those conversations is any different than what is being said in this one.

I will note .. in this conversation .. and in previous ones .. the lines between want and not want are generally divided between player and GM .. respectively

False dichotomy.

As a GM I can use naught but photocopies to my dark little heart's content and no one will bat an eye.
As a player, it's quite a bit different because for some strange reason it's viewed as harder to get a doctored .pdf than a doctored photocopy.

-TimD


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Kalindlara wrote:
Dave Justus wrote:
I can't think of any god that has two sub-domains of the same domain, so typically the question wouldn't even come up.

Asmodeus: Arcane/Divine, Ash/Smoke.

Ash/Smoke for Yamatsumi, as well.

Neither replaces the same domain power, nor the same levels of spells.

I'd always assumed they would stack as archtypes do.
Interesting that others assume the opposite...

[edit:] also, concur it wouldn't work with the OP's initial question / example as both replace the 9th level spell...

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Concur on Vanish, but also worthy of consideration...

Infernal Healing (200 hp / day of self-healing)
Long Arm (+5 ft of reach can be very handy)
Mirror Strike (as it may allow you to get sneak attack on more than one opponent in one attack)
Memory Lapse (if at first your intimidate is not successful, try, try again...)
Windy Escape (assuming you are a Sylph or your GM will let you pick up racial spells)

-TimD


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Thanks for the update.
I often go back through old posts wondering what ever happened, so it is a nice change to know for once. :)

-TimD


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+1 for the consistent awesomeness of Paizo's Cust Svc folks.

I too have had nothing but positive interactions with them and knowing that they will be consistently awesome is a large reason why I returned from my subscriber walkabout (and even added a Modules subscription).

-TimD


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magnuskn wrote:
Black Dougal wrote:

So I wonder how boring Peace Talks is going to be as Harry has to be civil to everyone.

with luck he will use his superb polite and respectful diplomatic manner and defuse a tense negotiation session by getting Marcone to go to Burger King and bring back burgers and Coke.

Especially with the Mantle of the Winter Knight making him so much more diplomatic and easygoing!

Two things I'm really hoping for in Peace Talks:

Mavra being part of the "talks"...
... and a scene with Butters training with the einherjar and muttering about being more careful with what he says in the future...

-TimD


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Dotting :)


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DeciusNero wrote:
Huh - I see the Vulture King (Rasvocel?) as being an infernal duke. Did he switch to daemon-kind?

Interesting.

Could be - Paizo does switch stuff up on us sometimes.

I'd guess that it's more likely the fact that Paizo tends to reuse relatively simple naming conventions (winter witch archtype, winter witch prc ; skald language, skald class ; the Storm King in Wrath of the Righteous , the Storm Tyrant in Giantslayer ; etc.) and it's probably a relatively unknown daemonic deacon or harbinger like Mneoc, but serving Trelmarixian.

-TimD

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I think the issue is that we're arguing two different points, as your post illustrated to me. You are bringing up audits and people doing the wrong thing. I'm trying to find a way for those of us who are doing the right thing and have been doing so to be less encumbered and not encouraged to join the ranks of those who engage in "sloppy play". At this point it feels like the more I support my FLGS by purchasing Paizo products the more penalized I am, and the only obvious solution that doesn't involve me needing to buy books twice and also buy a tablet just for gaming is just to stop buying Paizo product (which I would hope isn't the solution that they are hoping we will come to). I've not actually purchased Unchained for this reason (the options aren't worth the added mass / weight / headache of juggling, especially as the only thing the book accomplished was forcing me to respec my few low level summoners and be glad I hadn't purchased Blood of the Elements).

I'll continue to hope that Paizo / PFS finds a way to encourage those of us who prefer dead tree solutions to electronic ones a way to use those resources without telling us that we have to buy things twice or just stop buying their product in general.

At this point any arguments I would make would just reiterate what I've already said, so I'm bowing out for a bit. Will check the thread again in a few weeks to see if anything of substance arises.

Thanks for trying, Gary. Luck to us both that you can get something workable and acceptable together.

-TimD


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Try kindness.
It'll never see THAT coming.

This message brought to you by the West Casmaron Reformed Church of Rovagug.

(as the first west casmaron church was eaten by the Armageddon engine and the church had to be reformed by recruiting other faithful)

-TimD


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thejeff wrote:

Darkover. Moorcock. Pern. Zelazny.

I read Covenant a little later. Not really for kids. :)

+1, especially the Unbeliever not being for kids...

-TimD

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So to find a similar metric to what was suggested: to those that have already suffered the onerous duty of doing this for Pathfinder Tales Chronicle Sheets (ie novels that a GM is required to sign off on showing proof of ownership), how much of your time is regularly wasted on this?

[edited to remove response that was more inflammatory than intended]

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captain yesterday wrote:
Have you thought of it as a workout :-) every time you haul those 50 lbs of books you're bulking up, without having to pay a stupid gym membership :-)

Heh, nice. :)

One of the GMs in the area tells me they can hear my spine decompressing when I set down the bag.

It's more of an issue if I want to go to a con where space is at a premium, a 50+lb book bag is a tripping hazard, and I have a good chance of giving small children a concussion if they run into it while I'm taking a corner.
At this point, I just don't go to cons or if I do, I don't play there except with people I know so that I don't have to worry about the drama. I would like to have a solution that doesn't involve me needing to make yet more characters or playing CORE.

-TimD

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Duiker wrote:
There already is a voluntary opt-in program to pay extra to avoid carrying books to PFS. They're called PDFs and don't even require the VOs or GMs to do any extra work.

Not a solution, unless you're volunteering to buy me a .pdf of every book I own and offering print services for all of them in perpetuity or a tablet to use them with.

Duiker wrote:
TimD wrote:

an alternative to "have VO's sign off" (especially as there are hundreds of VO's out there and it's doubtful a VO from CA would recognize the signature of a VO from GA).

-TimD

and don't even require the VOs or GMs to do any extra work.

You're not even reading before you post, are you?

We'll try this once more...
Paizo does not support .pdf only. They consider print crucial to their business model.
PFS is (ostensibly) Paizo's primary / most successful marketing device. It does not currently support folks who just want books, but find the weight / space limit of hauling around all of the books cumbersome.
Some of us don't have the option to buy all of our books twice (once in print, once in .pdf).
Therefore, we are seeking a PFS solution to hauling around having 50+lbs of books we have purchased to support Paizo / PFS. (Especially as PFS is the ONLY reason I've bought most of the Paizo books I own and I doubt I'm alone in that cateogry).

I get that VO's have a lot on their plate.
I get that .pdfs are a great solution for some folks.
Please understand .pdfs are not a solution for all folks.

-TimD

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