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Better idea - drop the antiquated concept of alignment altogether.

This.

As mentioned above, the reason its called Lawful is almost certainly due to its roots in Moorcocks fantasy novels., which were some of the first to couch its coflicts in terms of other than good vs evil.

tbh, i cant see it changing - too embedded in the system....but i'd like to see it replaced by something similar to codes of honor..." my character will do this, my character wont do that...." ; currently the alighnments suffer from being too wide and vague, leading to difficulties in interpretation.

Yup, they cant please everyone...

Pvp permanently on is, tbh, more of a turn off than the system. In fact its probably the ultimate no -no for me.

Spme days (most days) i dont want to be arsed with pvp . Not being able to turn it off woulld completely prevent me from playing those days.

My worry for the product (and i hope i'm wrong) is that it doesnt sound THAT different from every other fantasy mmo. By throwing away the system they're getting rid of one of the two thinfs that would make me try the product (system familiarity). Thats not to say their new syatem might work bwtter in an mmo environment of course.

with the existing success of WoW, and competitors, the competition for fantasy MMOs Is high (in addition to the slew of exisitng ones, Elder Scrolls online is on its way) ...

The sandbox ideas they have are nice, certainly.. And the building aspect looks intersting !

At the end of the day, I think the MMO genre needs a big overhaul ; the initial few had some great ideas, but alot of the current ones are only minor variations on the exisitng model... I think to be successful theyd need to do something a bit more innovate.

The problem with gold farmers is a good example. the iin game model (and expectation of gamers) makes gold farmers feasable at present.

Mind you, to counteract my own argument.... alot of ways yhats the d&d/pathfinder model.... Go out,fight,bring back loot... The more you do it the more loot you havd. More loot= success.... Thus goldfarming.

Still, i hope i'm wrong, and that its a raging success, and i wish them well...

So, its a game that doesnt use the pathfinder system AND you're forced have pvp permanently on?

Include me out.

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It works more than fine... With some groups it is even a BETTER way than owning umpteen books, as having too many races and classes can sometimes limit peoples imagination rather than firing it....

The key is to remember that in RPGs, the limit is your imagination , not necessarily what the flavour test (or even the "rules") say.

Masks of Nyarlathotep.

It may sound an odd suggestion, but its one of the greatest campaigns ever published for *any* game system, and would fit perfectly into Golarion ... A murdered pathfinder expedition you say?

Maybe as an adveture path...

Time for bed here in the UK.

Thanks everyone,its been an interesting conversation

I'm saying that the system failed due to corruption in the government.

If you ever get the time, read up on how the richest person in the world (Carlos Slim) got some of the sweetheart deals he got from the Mexican government. Then, contrast it to the half the population who lives in poverty. It'll make you sick.

I can well believe it.

It also happened in Russia with the oligarchs ...
And theres been a number of allegation about American companies who donated to GWBs presidential campaigns getting sweetheart deals in Iraqi reconstruction.
Then theres alleged bribes to Saudi Arabians to sell British aircraft...
(and then theres the allegation you cant sell ANYTHING in Saudi Arabia without bribes...which seems a little unfair as I'm sure there are many honest hardworking saudis...but has certainly been my experience)

Sadly, its a corrupt old world, Mr Duck :-(

I agree with thejeff about self interest groups pushing agendas... But the result of these conspiracies is a cockup , so I tend to consider that the stronger element rather than the conspiracy...perhaps we should say Conspiracies Cause Cockups, rather than either/or...

Tigger_mk4 wrote:

Darkwing Duck wrote:

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“It just did not happen,” he said

Again, conspiracy or cockup ?

My suspicion would be corruption and incompetance rather than policy, but I cant disprove your theory.....

Its not either/or. Policy was the result of corruption.

So, by policy, you're saying that their actions are driven by the failure of the system? Thats fair enough,

thats a little different from setting out to do something from the beginning ( regardless of the success or failure of the system), which is what i initially assumed you meant...my bad.

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“It just did not happen,” he said

Again, conspiracy or cockup ?

My suspicion would be corruption and incompetance rather than policy, but I cant disprove your theory.....

It's a good deal for the rich in both countries.

You are no doubt right.

I must admit when it comes to things like that , i tend to assume its a cockup rather than a conspiracy, but I know many would disagree and I certainly couldnt prove otherwise...

I guess it all depends on how competent you think world leaders are. I tend to suspect they're mostly idjuts (to borrow a phrase from Bobby Singer..)

The Ozzy story...while in Texas, the singer had been out drinking beer, and was in need to relieve hs bladder..so he nipped around the back of some old ruins.

He was promptly arrested for urinating against the Alamo.

When the somewhat offended arresting policeman asked him how Ozzy would feel about an American pissing up against Buckingham Palace, Ozzy said he couldnt care less...

I've no idea if its true, but it sounds about right. The Americans appreciate their history in the way Brits dont (except a few items like WW2 and 1966...)

Tigger_mk4 wrote:

And yes, totally agree about texans ,CB . Yee, and indeed haw, old boy.

*snif* Eurosnobs bein mean to me.......BAAAAAAAAW!

Well, i suppose you could look on the bright side... You may have had to put up with George Dubblya, but we've got to endue Simon Callow...

Incidentally, Ozzy Osbourne tells a funny story about the difference in attitude between the brits and the texans as regards reverence for national monuments...should be on youtube somewhere...(i definitely think the texans have the edge there...)

P.s. Thanks for the link sparky, all very interesting !

On Wiki, it says that remittances from abroad to Mexico accounted for 2.1 percent of their gdp in 2004.

I'd be interested to see the same for many african countries. Financial emigration is not unique to mexico by any means.

We seem to be going a bit off topic...

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And, let me repeat, Mexico is not a poor country.

Yes, i do realise that as an overall average, mexico is not poor. it does have a significant section of its population thar IS however. ... And thats not to mention the drugs/guns/rape issues in some northern areas.

And, yes, your rich treat the poor better. That was kinda my point...your rich care how the poor are treated...or some of them at least. i just think its less a proactive stance by the mexican elite.
:-)

Didnt know about the comics tho, thats a new one on me... So admit i could be wrong.

And yes, totally agree about texans ,CB . Yee, and indeed haw, old boy.

Tigger_mk4 wrote:

This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

As long as the upper class in Mexico keeps pushing its poor class onto the US so that we have to take care of them rather than the Mexican upper class have their taxes raised, I see no reason for Mexico to want Arizona.

Hmm... I'd suggest thats more a "the rich couldnt give a monkeys about the poor or what they do" rather than a deliberate "foist them on the gringos" policy.... and hardly unique to Mexico.

If the US wasnt next door to Mexico, and was, say, geographically swapped with Sweden, then they'd be going to Sweden.

Truth is that people in poverty and danger will always try to find somewhere else to live that has a better standard of living and less dangerous. (c.f irish emigration to America during the potato famine)
Sounds totally understandable to me- I'm just glad I'm not in such a circumstance.

Thats not to condone poverty, or illegal immigration - just saying that its the consequence of being a rich and (relatively) peaceful country in a generally poor and violent world.

The only real cure is to try and reduce the poverty and violence... a herculean (and possibly sisiphaen) tasks..

Shadowborn wrote:

See, we should have just given Arizona back to Mexico as a gift for Cinco de Mayo and had done with it.

Only if they take Texas as well. Also, give Florida back to Spain.

This is of course assuming they'd want em back....

To quote someones sig from another board :

"Do you celebrate the fourth of july in England?"
"No.....but perhaps we should."

:-p

Sasha by preference, but i'd be happy to have either on my gaming table.

Er...AT my gaming table.

No, on consideration, i had it right the first time.

Its not too bad a system ONCE you get past their tendacy to call a spade a tibllenookerywhipple, and claim they invented it.

I DO think the rulebook (and other games in the system) have a very arrogant tone, in that the author seems to think they invented Everything...however, that doesnt make it a bad system, in fact, there are several nice ideas in it.

it does have a different approach to combat than you might be used to - its far more "indy" in its that respect. Its certainly based on a more "narrative" rpg approach, so gamers looking for tight tactical maneuvering will not appreciate it. Gamers more inclined towards story and narrative may prefer it. That said, its a usable combat system - just different , and might take getting used to if you dont have a wide experience of game systems.

I'm personally not a fan of the combat system, but I do know others who are.

The beliefs system is very nice if you've the type of group that are into games that are truly about characters, and imo is more realistic/useful than alignment (which is a crude tool at best, and also subjective in a morally grey world).

Also, as a more narrative game than d&d/pathfinder you to trust each other to be reasonable more. The maturity (or otherwise) of your players will certainly affect your experience.

The benefits are you can tell stories that are more individual to your chqracters, - trust me as an old experienced gamer, it can be IMMENSELY freeing to have less rather than more structure....but the disadantages are rules are less hard and fast. Malaclypses comments about magic are true, but
in a game with a GM that understands narrative cooperation with his players , its not an issue, and actually creates BETTER games.

I'd note at this stage this is NOT a unique advantage to burning wheel, although i have seen many tout it as such. IT IS, RATHER,, AN APPROACH TO GAMING THAT CAN BE USED WITH ANY SYSTEM. It is however more necessary in burning wheel than, say, pathfinder.

If your gm or other players arent on board with the "joint storytelling" though , it can be difficult, Rules lawyers or people keen on RAW arguments wont enjoy this sort of narrative freedom....or will attempt to abuse it to the detriment of the game.

Overall, i'd say its neither good nor bad, but somewhere in the average range. Like most other rpgs, the experience will be down more to your gm and the players around your table, than the rules system.

It DOES require a different mindset though - if youve not played narrative indy games it can be a bit confusing - so be warned.

I refer you all to "iron law of oligarcy".

I'd personally argue that the Western "representative democracies" are neither representative, nor democracies....and closer to a form of nominated oligarchy. "you can have x or y... Sorry, w,z,A, B or C is out of the questiom..."

After all, you have to be a member of a very limited group to get elected to power.

Also, is true democracy an ideal form of governance ? Before you say "yes" let me point you to TV shows such as ' Britains got talent ' which gave us "jedward".

I'm with Winston Churchill on it ..., what we have is better than most of the other goverment systems invented. we're pretty lucky with the forms of govt we've got , in the western world, generally speaking.

Doesnt mean they cant be much improved, of course...

I'm not usually a huge fan of the maps - I have alternatives - but I think this one is going down on my list to buy. Its difficult to find gamemaps with nice looking rivers which actually have a selection of bends and curves and straights, imo, and this one looks like it fits the bill.

I quite like MerrikCales' idea... have a module or two that is optional/bought seperately but that will round out the adventure path to 20.

That way it doesnt impact Paizos business model for APs, but can satisfy those who want to go "all the way" (fnar).

I dont think it'd be necessary to have one for each AP, but one or two for the popular ones might be nice. Given #1-#6 is titled "Rise of the RuneLord*S*" , and given the reprint, that seems an obvious one to start with (even given the upcoming sequel AP, which I am very much looking forward to !)

Much as I prefer "dead tree", given printing costs and the risks involved, perhaps they might have to be PDF only...but it'd be nice to see, either way.

If you really want to mess with your players minds.....perhaps thats the way HUMANS came about.

after all, they are the elder races, and the younger races must come from somewhere...

:-)

1969...

I'm a big fan of the elder scrolls series, but i'm skeptical that an elder scrolls mmo will bring anything new to the mmo table. Ditto the planned pathfinder mmo.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but...

Yup, i'm with ciretose here.
I dont seem to have any problems with playwrs respecting the gm... Regardless of what system i use.

Mind you, the grey hair probably helps.

Exactly. "rules are guidelines"

The point of a hobby is to have FUN, not argue the rules, whos gm/teacher/technique is better, build the ultimate combat monster, or to moan/boast at each other online.

Some youngsters havent discovered that yet. (shrug) they'll learn.

Cmon Terquem, dont wind up the juniors. You know youngsters cant take a joke, particularly when its about their inadequacies.

Plus, its borderline trolling.... And at our age too, you should know better. You should be curmudgeoning instead !

P.s. Bummer about the giving up sex. Feel free to send your missus to my place, i'll be happy to stand in....

Silk, prince kheldar ..... The belgariad.

Han solo and indy jones....who look suspiciously alike if you ask me. i suspect a theres a crime family involved there somewhere..

Your limericks are funny, its true
But in all the hollaballoo
You mustnt forget
the best limericks yet
Are from "I'm sorry, I havent a clue"....

(mornington crescent !)

I hope this is the suitable forum - if not could a friendly admin move it ? Cheers...

I am currently recording my running of Burnt Offerings on audio (mp3 to be precise); I often give copies to my players of the RPG games I run as souvenirs.

1) Are there people out there in paizo land also interested in hearing these recordings ? If so I'll create a thread in the audio forum with links.

2) Also, I don't want to step on any copyright toes ... as its only audios of "live play" I plan to be posting, I'm guessing there's no significant problems as long as I'm sensible (several other groups have done so)... but if there is, can someone from Paizo let me know ?

cosmo brings up 3 mini cinnamon rolls, offers one to Sara who shakes head "no". He offers one to Megan who also shakes head "no".

Cosmo: sigh I *suppose* I can jump on this grenade and eat all three.

Brings up ?

as in regurgitated?

Not too surprised the gals didnt want one. Plus, you might want to find a better way of getting snacks delivered...

Speaking as an outsider, i thought that both Obama and McCann were far betterand more competant candidates than GWBush ever was....(although i thank god palin didnt get in.)

At the end of the day, the truth is that politicians are only human...and regardless of what their PR campaigns suggest they're not superhuman, qnd rarely have a better idea of how to solve the worlds problems than joe public.

And of course the problem with the american presidency is that an american keeps being elected :-p ( although Donald Trump might disagree with that...)

It could be worse, though...in the UK we've got David Cameron (and Miliband, the head of the opposition is no better)

And worst of all Italy have got BungaBunga Bellosconi !

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$500+ for a set is massively prohibitive. I realise this is aboutthe same price per figure as the previous set but still is waaay too much in one hit.

I was very keen to get this set as i am about to start running the AP but...not at this price for a full set. It'll be buying just a few specific singles for me.

Like others, I am glad Paizo do a miniature line, I'd like to see it continue, so i hope this doesnt cause the line problems, but I think this might have been a misstep to have the set this big/expensive.

In future , might i suggest sets cover only half the Number of figures ( say ap1-3, then a second set 4-6)

All the currently-verified errata is in the Player Pack and GM Kit PDFs (and if we add more, that's where we'll put it).

There are a couple of other things that I've noted for corrections, but none are significant enough to affect gameplay.

Just as a note, Sean seems to be referring to the player and gm packs only.....as of the 5th january , the Toughness entry in the main box player PDF still states that fighters get it at second level, and that fighters cannot take it.

I'd just like to say this is a great idea for a product, and i'm glad to see it coming out.

While I'm sure that it wont please all of the people all of the time- anything which contains a mix of monsters is always going to have to compromise - for me personally its going to be the first "must have" product paizo have produced for a while.

Sounds interesting, and a touch Lovecraftian which is always a plus in my book

And a nifty green cover to boot.

Speaking of covers, I really like the purple background you use for temporary cover pictures. Any chance of seeing that as an actual background for one of the paths ?

Sounds interesting - I always loved the Torg subplot cards (*like Nemesis, Contact,etc...) and if they have a similar mechanic to that, it should be well worth a look.

Films better than the original books: LA Confidential.

On the remake front....how about :
Excaliber > all the previous (& subsequent) King Arthur adaptations.
Not a perfect movie, but far better than anything else Arthurian I've seen.

Stargate SG1 > Stargate movie.

Star Wars > The Hidden Fortress.

I agree with many of the points raised here (no pun intended).

What I quite liked was how "The Drow War" books dealt with them - Raise Dead is only possible if the person is a reincarnated star (which the players and VERY limited few of the villains are)...everyone else just dies.

{"but where do all the calculators go ?"}

To be honest I've been reading this like an episode of blind date:

So James, will you choose marvelous 'merican Maya , or Bouncing Bulgarian Babe Baba ? The choice, as always, is yours...

English is a protean thing

So true.

"In America they haven't used it for years" - Henry Higgins {My Fair Lady}

(Or in Hertford,Hereford and Hampshire, for that matter...)

That's only a problem if you're familiar with all of those horror themed RPGs, of course... and more to the point, only if your PLAYERS are familiar with it. If they're not, then it doesn't matter even if EVERY RPG has Baba Yaga stuff in it. What you do for your home group and players will still be fresh and new for them.

True.

It also depends how memorable its been I suppose !

HotOE: yes, the chickens do see to catch peoples imaginations once they've had that encounter.

The only problem is that Baba Yaga is getting a bit overused in horror themed RPG's.

Asgetrion wrote:

Hey, you look a bit familiar... maybe we're brothers? ;)

The reason is much simpler: Dwarves have no discernible features that would mark them as individuals, because they're drones.

Yeah, but you really don't want to meet the Queen or the Knee Huggers that come out of the eggs...

See also the Dreamlands stories of H. P. Lovecraft. Particularly "The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath," which gave us the ghast and helped define and inspire the concept of an Underdark or Darklands setting.

As a note for both this (and another thread)...incidentally James, Hunting Horrors are mentioned in Dream Quest right at the end (I was listening to an audio last night)... they're not just a Chaosium invention. They're not described much apart from the fact some sort of light vapourises them.

So theoretically Paizo could use them...

GM looking for mature gamers for a Rise of the Runelords game
(or possibly CoC: Masks of Nyarlathotep)

Location:I have a venue in Milton Keynes but willing to travel up to 30 miles.

Time: Either Tuesday or Thursday nights (once a week), 7pm (until 10 or 11 pm)

Criteria:
Mature gamers
Haven't played in a previous game using the scenarios.
Don't own the scenarios
Are not of the kick-in-the-door school of roleplaying

Ruleset: Either 3.5 or PFRPG.

Audios of a (1920s Horror)campaign I previously ran can be found via
http://www.yog-sothoth.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t =13884

James did mention his approach (to what Lovecraftian creatures might appear) in the editorial in one of the Rise of the Runelord Pathfinder issues (#4 I think)

Basically it boils down to Dreamlands + extradimensional stuff, but not those that live specifically on Earth (like Cthulhu)

1.Foreigner (C.J Cherryh)
2.The Belgariad
3.Diskworld (esp the Nightwatch)
4.Hawkmoon
5.The original Dune trilogy (but not the later novels)

Millenium (final season was fantastic)
Firefly
B5
B7
Deep Space 9
Now and Again
Silvester McCoy as Doctor Who
Kinvig
HHG2TG (BBC TV version)
Banana Splits:purely for 'The Arabian Knights' segment.
The Invisible Man (McCallum version)

Much as I love B5, Trek, and Doctor Who, I have to agree Edge of Darkness was just amazing.

Lets hope the Mel Gibson remake doesnt tarnish our memories of it.

They've just started airing this on the BBC in the last week or so.
Not a bad program - better than I expected.While I wouldnt rate it as 5/5 I'd give it a solid 3.5, which isnt bad for a new series.

Sadly they've formally announced they've destroyed the sets (according to Wiki, anyway, so pinch of salt with that)