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Petit Tom (could perform "She was from Erelhei-Cinlu")
Journey Cash (You can always count on Cash!)

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Orcs are proficient in tORCh...?

Lorewalker wrote:

So your argument is... "I play this way at home, so that means its the rule for everyone"?

That is NOT how things work. The rule IS the rule. The GM can CHANGE the rule. But that doesn't...

No, my argument is "The rule for everyone is 'we are here to have fun' and 'do not be a dick'."

So if a guy comes to the table wanting to fight with torches and ignite them with a cantrip, we look for a path toward 'yes', rather than a position from which to shout 'no'.

It's obvious to all of us at the table, mages have a way to light their cigarettes. So any other reading seems willfully uncharitable. We'd be surprised at the desire to limit the new guy's cool idea. We'd rather cool than optimized.

But let's say this is all just the learned caution of the lifeguard, no running near the pool, no towels left out near paths. I DO agree, there are redoubts from which you can shout 'no'. We're just playing over here, instead.

If the OP is still listening, put tindertwigs on your torches, and keep them in scabbards lined with whatever's rough enough to scratch the twig when they are drawn.

Martin Weil wrote:
Thornborn wrote:

they publish because we pay by the word.

Presti could light, until Spark

Actually, Presti couldn't, even before Spark.

How do you justify allowing its use for anything more than cleaning clothes and changing colors and flavors?

Not to mention, as someone else pointed out, how do you justify allowing it to light torches but not flasks of oil? And, indeed, if it can light torches, does that mean that a torch lighted in that fashion cannot do any damage either?

I don't have to justify it to people who game with me. They either rode along through the history of cantrips ("Firefinger", would be the topical citation, but cantrips then were 4-to-a-lvl-1-slot, so it actually did damage) or they just respect reason. We aren't trying to earn or defend stars, though.

There's a real-world tool with a spring handle and a bit of flint rubbing on a striker-file, and so we don't imagine the two-handed flint-and-steel as the only way to light a thing. And the leap from that spring-flint tool (which can do no damage) to letting Presti do the same is not burdensome to us.

Presti inherited all the homeless cantrip functions because we like for our old stories to still be possible, regardless of ruling-of-the-month and nerf-this-so-we-can-sell-it-again.

We let it light things that are ready to light, at no range, while Spark has a range. And no, we don't interpret 'this cantrip does no damage' to mean 'no damage can result from any application of this cantrip, plus fuel, plus standard action, plus attack roll...'.

Again, we don't need to be strictly canonical. We're here to have fun, and we've found we have more fun when we don't engage in that kind of legalistics.

We also let illusions provide flank and rough ground.

they publish because we pay by the word.

Presti could light, until Spark

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as stone is removed, to sculpt a statue
so possibilities removed, to sculpt a system
the sculptor, is praised for the beauty
the writer, is paid by the word
which is most likely, to carve too deep?

Of course a magician can light a purpose-built flame-dependant object. To mirror an earlier post, if anyone can do it with flint and steel, why deny it to the mage? Because a later text includes a stronger argument? What about earlier texts that include pipes lit with the first draw on them, or candlewicks whispered white with wyrd words?

No, the evidence is there, it's possible. The question is, cantrip or spell? And if it's one step up from flint-and-steel, that's a cantrip, and presti is the catch-all.

I like the encounter.

Declare the behavior of the gate as follows:

Makes a tone on activation of a glyph. (Lights a glyph?)
Opens gate when three glyphs active (perhaps to bring in guards).
When gate closes, three tones are played in sequence.

So the parrot, watching (often?) people who know the combination go through, has got used to the correct three glyphs and the correct song.

What's significant about this set of behaviors is that someone using the gate never hears that the gate plays the 'shutdown song', and never hears the parrot(s?) mocking the song.

Now here come these goobers, making strange ugly song, and calling strange ugly people, and bringing chaos and nonsense. What's a bird to do?

Well, besides singing the right song, maybe the bird lands on the first glyph while singing that note?

The Ghost Who Walks wore a ring that left a skull tattoo.

Arcane Mark can be invisible, it doesn't have to betray he caster's secrets.

You can fluff the spell as sort of magically reaching to learn where the target will be. After all, if it (mechanically) empowers another attack, and that's as intended (and it's been said, it IS as intended), then letting the fluff catch up to the mechanics and intent needn't smell too much like cheese.

Isn't there a Cleric Domain that lets you use an action to give an action? Sounds like the Dancer to me.

The Will'o'Whip is the spirit of a Will o'Wisp bound to a masterwork bullwhip by a process similar to Magic Jar. Retaining the native electrical attack of the Wisp, the Whip can be a superior weapon, except it literally has a mind of its own. Desiring to feed on the life essence of fallen enemies, the Whip can usually be relied upon to use its electric attack whenever wielded in battle, but once a foe has fallen, a hungry Whip will insist upon feeding on that fallen foe, a process of some long minutes. Lacking languagable parts, the Whip has only one way to communicate its displeasure, and it will electrically damage its wielder, increasing such damage until the Whip has a victim on which to feed.

Thus it is that Whips are sometimes found with their victims, either their first in that battle (the wielder having left it to feed), or their second (the wielder having left, it to feed).

substance: shadow

"I'm afraid you were mistaken. It doesn't do that. You can swap it next time you rest. What do you do this round? The rest of the table's waiting."

A folding boat is also a shelter/shade, hard cover, perhaps the furnishing you put in front of a door you want kept closed...

I once gave a party a Xeno's Arrow. It moved half the distance to the target, the first round, then half the previous round's distance, toward the target, every round.

Jacob's Larder is a handheld toy/noisemaker, but if a leaf or similar object is placed under its ribbons, and the toy worked, the leaf disappears, until it is specifically looked for, and the toy worked. Herbs stored in a Jacob's Larder emerge as fresh as when they were stored.

A Looselace (usually found in pairs, but read on), threaded into a boot (or other laced garment), drawn tight, and tied once, will soon untie itself, and let the boot flop open, appearing about to fall off. But, the looselace's magic will keep the footwear in place. The wearer of the looselaced boots can remove them at will, and step into them and find them immediately as secure as before. Looselaces are banned in Bearkshire, after some wag seeded several in a dancehall dressingroom.

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The Rattlerent: In the rare occasion when an entire corpse of a sentient undead is consumed by snails, and only snails, and those snails are denied other food, until they, too, pass from the state of life, the hunger of the snails, and the malice and cunning of the sentience might form, from the snails, a Rattlerent. Such a creature is not well-equipped to cause harm, instead working to trick and lure onto other hazards. A rattlerent presents much as a crawling swarm, aware enough to present the emptied shells toward attackers as if shields, while the whole mass retreats, leading prey onto other hazards nearby. Clever rattlerents might wait at the top of a stairs, shells raised as if pebbled stone, hoping to collapse under the weight of an interloper...

Substance: spitoon contents

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Bioboygamer wrote:

I am currently a player in the campaign, but I was previously the GM.

...part of the issue is that the other players tend to not pay attention to tactics at all. Have you ever heard of a wizard who refused to use any of their 1st level spells? There's just such a large gap between Bill and the other players. Not necessarily a gap in experience, but more of a gap in effort.

Bill is in a no-win situation. He's shown up with a sweet bored-out Indian motorcycle, and your other players have a ten-speed, a mountain bike, and a Big Wheel.

It's fairer to everybody to say to Bill, "These other players are going to derp about building and playing. And they have that right. If I had four of you and one of them, that guy would be the odd man out. But in this set, you are. I don't know how to solve this problem, and keep everybody at the table."


Doesn't any underground manufactured space count as 'urban' or 'dungeon'? (RAW question)

Shouldn't even an urban Druidic Grove count as 'forest'? (RAI question)

(And both rhetorical)

I know that common sense is far from the last word in Rules Court, so I know that this isn't going to change anyone's mind about what anything ELSE means.

But if a human with no natural weapons, and thus no natural weapon attacks, can use a method to gain two claw natural weapons, which then go on the human's two hands-and-arms 'limbs', and GRANT two natural weapon attacks...

And a human can gain two more limbs which are declared to give no more attacks (remember, those first two limbs the human was born with also granted no more attacks)...

Then it seems to me another trip to the 'gain claws on two upper limbs' method would grant two more natural weapons attacks.

If Vestigial Limb said, 'this limb cannot attack', that might be clearer than 'this limb does not grant extra attacks', because one might read the scenario I outline above as Vestigial Limb not granting any extra attacks, but rather the claw-source method granting those attacks.

If as a GM you're not comfy with a four-armed four-clawed slashing NPCeeple eater, well, disallow it. If as a player your GM isn't comfy with this, don't do it.

The rules are thousands of pages. Torture them long enough, they'll admit to anything. But 'reasonable' is only one word.

It's magic. It affects everything and everybody you're carrying at the time of casting, nothing you cannot envelop afterward, and nothing you put down.

You could shoot from inside an invisible tent. The tent stays invisible, you stay invisible inside it, anybody nearby gets a roll to see your arrow slit.

Invisibility is not a lice/tick/Xill egg detector. You can't 'not open' the trapped box by invisibility-ing the lid. You Would make the whole box and contents invisible to outside observers. Shroedinger's cat in a box made invisible after the cat was put in, cannot see outside the box, nothing has changed for him.

All old-school gamer opinion, above.

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Make something up.

The Flask of Regret

This clear flask radiates enchantment magic only when filled with the regrets of a person who died while in contact with it. When empty, there is nothing to show it as anything more than a normal, if perhaps finely-made, crystal tube such as might be used for perfumes or alchemies.

The regrets of a dying person are rendered by the magic of the flask into a sort of syrup, light or dark, thick or thin, and colored evocatively of the regret. Thus, a dark, blood-hued syrup might be formed from regretted untaken violent revenge, while a rose-hued syrup the thickness of tears might form for unrequited love.

A filled Flask of Regret cannot be unstoppered accidentally, nor can it be broken into bestowing the regret. However, the first person opening the flask, even if unaware of the enchantment or contents, will find themselves possessed of the memories of the deceased, on all matters related to the stored regret.

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Hey, you know who gets to make the call of what's cool to discuss here on this free forum run by a game company?

Not you.

Please do not interfere with staff as they operate this vehicle.

It's too bad if you were just about to cure cancer or solve terrorism. But if you're THAT GOOD at what you're doing, if your words are so important you have to oppose Liz doing her job, you need to go say them somewhere else. This is not the place for such thoughts.

It's just a game forum.

37. It turns out Fleshfester Fever is actually an anaphylactic reaction to a spore-borne fungal infestation. And that stuff we thought was soot on the ceilings? Um...

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Matthew Downie wrote:

Is it an OWLbear an OWL?

Is an owlbEAR an EAR?

A tORCh is an ORC weapon...

That is my understanding.

Local bard uses the cantrip to summon instruments that he then Rough and Ready into battle with, using some other trait/feat to auto-confirm crits by smashing the guitar over the badguy.

...which might not be what you intend, at all. :)

Is it possible the player is using the ACCELERATE word twice in one casting?

I think I recall it's not possible for the caster to use the same word twice, but I can see how a player might read things differently.

I'm not sure I'd rule against repeating the effect word, given the system is partly about layering effects.

Happy to see WOP in the wild.

The '15' puzzle dungeon, composed of sections on rails that can slide past each other. At some interval, changes occur, with distant grinding noises, near grinding noises, or Reflex saves vs Prone status, depending on whether the section moving is far, near, or the same as the section the party is in.

The 'gap' in the sections might be impassible, or it might be the actual way forward. If it is, it's surely trapped/inhabited/machinery...

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It's a Sleep spell. It has a sort of 'common law' precedent from back when Invisibility was forever and Haste aged your friends. From back before the concept of 'conditions'.

It was the one shot the one-hp mage had, and it had a better-than-average chance of overpowering the available enemy targets and hitting the player characters, and yes, it made all affected unaware, prone, disarmed, blind, and helpless. And it would take a whole minute to wake up a friend, or kill an enemy.

A lot has changed. But I don't think the Conditions scaffold that was added to my Temple of Elemental Evil is supposed to obscure the stained glass of Saint Evilmancer Slumbering the White Knights.

I see how nowadays Sleep's peanut butter has been spread thin, all the way to at-will Hexes. And you'd perhaps like to water it down.

But it always bothers me when the feats of the great heroes of old (sometimes, of yesterday) become impossible, because the rules change.

If it were a 'Dire Daze' spell, you could do as you like. But it's Sleep. Would you really have the tightrope-walker remain balanced during it? The foe on the stairs? The one climbing the wall? The rope ladder? You're driving well past the median on the road to Interpretation, you've taken a left turn onto Wannanerf.

Don't Crane Wing my Sleep spell.

I think I'd just rule 'benefited from this hex' to be actually re-rolling a die, so A) one benefit per day, and B) missing the window to benefit or failing to Cackle so the Fortune lapses is not so much of a loss, just Fortune again.

I expect folk can point me to why I'm wrong, but I think this approach will play more smoothly.

I would read it as "...of the creature type whose form you plan to assume." (Italics are my additional word)

Human for human, orc for orc, etc.

I have read it thus, while GMing.

I can see that other readings are possible.

In the spirit of a specific home game, I might rule (or expect a ruling) that the spell allows closer approximation, perhaps with the copy-target alive and on hand (perhaps literally). But I think the existing bonus to disguise checks satisfies both logics: [you have shapechanged to look like the target] AND [Shapechange can never be perfect]. Because +whatever to a skill roll is not ever 'perfect'.

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
*enters graveyard with a lonely, flickering candle, sets it down by a double grave marked City of Heroes/City of Villains, and leaves without a word*

A lone seagull watches, and never makes a sound.

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If you buy an umbrella, it should not rain any less.

If you use an umbrella, it should not wind any more.

Sometimes, the story will be about how you had to chase your umbrella when the wind took it away.

Construct your golem as a hollow shell, with a lot of padding so you don't get too bruised if you have to shelter inside it.

Then your GM can show some minotaurs or something getting shredded by automated defenses, dart storms and slashing adamant blades. One hero-minotaur manages to parry a blade, and all this is observed. How to get to the defenses controls? The suit can absorb the dart storms, but not dodge the blades. The 'rager could use his BAB to parry, but the darts would shred him over time.

But the 'rager, INSIDE the suit... Good thing all that padding is removable.

So much cool. <-- That is a dot

78. Because somewhere among them, is the plot hook for the next chapter.

79. Because the GM will have someone else save them if I don't, and that guy is my rival.

80. Because I just remembered, my backstory includes a situation just like this, and NEVER AGAIN!

81. Because it should take about an hour and a half, and we've already missed the first showing of that new movie.

One thing I think might be true is that a modern education and media exposure has given many of us 'bardic knowledge'. It's very easy to know a little bit about a whole lot, when the internet has been bringing it to you most of your life.

Can you fake a doppleganger scare? Swap his shoes when he takes them off for airline security?

If you have an exact copy, you must have contacted the original jeweler, so you might know if there's any inscription. Let's hope no inscription.

"Say, I have that same ring..." your operative says, showing the twin. "What's the inscription, in yours?"

"Yes, inscribed. Kind of hard to see, but here..." (takes off the ring, shows prestidigitated inscription, a line of verse, a blessing, or curse, or whatever might pique the mark's interest)

"What's in yours?"

If he takes it off, FIREBALL or such, something to make him drop it. Your operative makes sure to get the real ring, and the absence of inscription proves the mark has his own ring back.

It's overly-elaborate. Some GMs love such things.

What would be wrong with a level one wall of force? It's totally defensive, stops line of effect for player characters, too...

It only controls a path if it's the only path. (And I might welcome players being a tad more actually aware of the map.) So it's very much less useful out-of-doors.

Instead of comparing it to a Wall of Force, OMG!, try comparing it to a Tower Shield, NBD.

This is a tricky problem.

Player is late or absent, do you let their character be involved? Yes supports the narrative, no simplifies things for a harried GM. (Who runs the character? Does the player have some right to veto choices made in the player's absence?)

Player absent, character present, does character get XP? Yes supports the narrative and keeps party all of-a-level, no guides the narrative toward the underlevelled PC exiting the stage (but that assumes the player is gone for good, perhaps it causes the player be gone for good).

Player absent, character absent, does character get XP? This is not a trick question, just a tricky situation. On any particular night, we'd like to all be similarly powerful. We all see the folly of mixed power levels in a game that assumes otherwise.

If you think your late-coming players are a problem, I have co-players who miss three sessions and then complain of falling behind in their concept and growth. Other co-players who run off on a tangent and narratively trap their character away from the party (And then run an absent player's character...). We're running a sandbox, and the sand gets in the gears. :)

Back in the days of random stats, long before WBL 20-pt characters and such assumed and regulated regularities, a new character was 1st level, even if the party was higher. They caught up quickly. It was no big deal. It doesn't need to be a big deal, now.

Unless one sees the regulated regularities as a right.

Speaking to the OP, though? That team earned that XP.

You'll need the buy-in of your GM, but

If a statue with a Magic Mouth spell opens it's mouth to speak, you might put a ring in it's mouth, so it falls away when it speaks. Any number of mechanical systems can then be controlled by the Mouth's sensorium.

If you're willing to wait for your traps to go off, an item spell version of, say, a blacksmith's forge-fire might be sewn into the lining of your bat-mask... and replaced on a regular schedule, one would hope.

Five d100s:
1d100 ⇒ 62
1d100 ⇒ 52
1d100 ⇒ 96
1d100 ⇒ 26
1d100 ⇒ 22

Hmm. Look at all the 2's and 6's...

Air-related magical anomaly
Powerful Good Imprisoned
(Reroll one of above, then roll again:
1d100 ⇒ 92 Another 2
Something that will make people laugh when they read it pressure
1d100 ⇒ 80
A vast repository of information)
Mutual hostility between all intelligent races
Lost/hidden civilization

The Author sleeps. The Great Pen is still, the Hallowed Brush empty of ink, since the Eon Wind scattered and jumbled The Works of the Author. Such True reflections of the Author-Mind, and of reality, their scattering, was a shattering, of the Author's consciousness. Their Chaos, now the Author's dream, or nightmare.

But order has come. The Dwarrow, the Edhel, Men... even some machines. They've found their way, through the Chaos, to the Library. And they all work, to bring Order, once again. Cataloguing, collating, combining. Alphabetizing...

Each in their own alphabet.

26 letters in THIS alphabet. :)

In a local game I have a custom-race(tiny flying plant) Witch-dipped(Prehensile VINE, Swamp's Grasp planned) Alchemist(Bramble Brewer? She's not, but you could be).

So, Bramble Brewer with a Witch dip?

My local toon has been allowed to use the Rogue Genius swaps (which are like what unchained wanted to be, but they were there first) to keep her Hexen level up (swapped for Bombs) and take Youxia (swapped for Mutagens).

Alchemist might flavorfully leverage phytotoxins and drugs? My toon's not yet rich enough for such toys.

I'm a fan of MessageEase keyboard. Complex appearance, simple use, and you could make the 'keys' as large as you like.

"The Handed Races", is my humble suggestion. It has that implicit awareness of a parity between, say, a bear and a woodsman. But one has hands, and has learned to use them, and the other has natural tools.

I think when an animal reports to a druid of a human, or an dwarf, or a goblin, the term they use translates to 'man'. It's just human hubris to imagine that 'man' applies only to themselves.

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We had a local game that began in the ruins of a magical school...

Anyway, part of the backstory we built for the PCs (all survivors of the schoolpocalypse) was that we had all played 'lasertag' with Disrupt Undead.

One INT-challenged sorceress PC never did actually use the 'lasertag' spell against the undead we faced. When coached to do so, she'd look confused, and ask, 'why?'.

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"Was that iron-bound book very valuable?"

"Did you know there's an apprentice's union?"

"I was practicing my Old High Draconic declensions while dusting in the Special Library. I'd never noticed the echo, before..."


<in another voice> "I'm FREE!"

thunderbeard wrote:
Meanwhile, Sir Darren gets seasick real easily and probably wouldn't join your crew without a properly compelling interest.

Did you not see her character picture? :)

Also, a late but sincere dot.

"What is the sound of one hand striking?" <strikes>

The land is part of a grant from King Longago An'faraway to a noble of a house that is still extant. It's status is perhaps clouded, but all the most important parties agree, it's not yours.

The castle is the personal property of that long-lost noble. Perhaps, if you could actually prove the noble's dead, his heirs might lease it to you?

In other words, it's not part of your Wealth-By-Level, it's hooks for the next adventure!

At least, in a perfect world, it is.

Did I read they entered at 5 and went down, with 6 remaining unexplored?

They can overhear, from the opposition facing them:

"How'd they get in?"

"From the top, I guess."

"They came through the demon's room?"

"Must have."

"And you want to face them?"

"You want to face the master?!"

"Hey, I was... charmed."

I'm always wary of 'discovered check' GMing, and I'm speaking as a GM here. If thrown net + shrink item = area damage, then what about an adamant wire net?

My experience is that 'hooray - you've cleverly doomed us all!' is not what I want at my table.

I'd probably rule the shrinking net breaks where it needs to, rather than wounding/strangling/bisecting those within.

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