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Ok my vote is officially for Year of the Shadow Lodge over Blood under Absalom if it matters.

By the time Marmalade Dog comes around I will have already run the latter at least twice but I've never gotten a chance to run year of the Shadow Lodge

I hear you there, I really do. I ultimately decided on Blood Under Absalom because it's more recent, and I want to have the newest and hopefully less played scenarios available.

Though, I am giving consideration on having GMs read Year of the Shadow Lodge in case attendance becomes an issue, and I'll have 4 sets of maps available for them.

EDIT: I still have 11 slots that an ambitious GM could fill for us.

This is why I hate alignment. It isn't that it's restrictive, it's that it doesn't make any sense and doesn't provide any solid, objective guidelines; any time you play a character with an alignment restriction, you are effectively leaving your abilities entirely up to the DM's whims.

This isn't to say that there shouldn't be classes with strong ethos requirements, but that the DM's authority over questions of morality in-game should neither be rigid nor absolute-- this isn't a procedural issue concerning the rules, it's the central part of the character's identity, and should be ruled by consensus.

Solution: GMs should study morality and ethics someplace that isn't the paizo forums, like say the APA website, or better an actual morality or ethics class!

So stop with the CN hate. :)

I actually don't think people hate CN, I think it's all the people who play evil, and label their character "CN" to slide it by in the rules. The more I see this, and I have, the more I wish they would simply define evil, outlaw it, and be done with it. No one is stupid, we all know these people are still being evil. This is all assuming that the campaign staff truly doesn't want evil in the PFS campaign, instead of the evil label on a character sheet.

1) Yes, as long as it is returned to your PC at the end of each scenario

2) Yes

3) Yes

Non-advancing animals like standard riding dogs and horses are helpful at the lower tiers of the game, but they start dying fast once you hit tier 4-5. It isn't going to unbalance the game to have a fallback mount that you loan to another PC. Just be careful that it doesn't turn into a puppy mill.

Didn't you refer to them as speed bumps once?

Benicio Del Espada wrote:

I'm not aware of any rule limiting the mounts you can have. Animal companions, special mounts, and such, sure, but you can have as many pets as your GM can stand, otherwise.

There's nothing keeping you from sharing an extra mount, or running to get your backup if the first one eats it, as long as there's time. Druids, cavaliers, paladins, and rangers have different rules for having a companion animal, but regular mounts can be used by anyone.

You can only have one combat oriented animal at any given time during a scenario. That means if you are a Wizard/Druid and you had both a familiar and an animal companion, you could not use both in combat in any given encounter. This rule also applies to pets you would purchase at the store.

Buying two dogs so that you have one stabled in case one dies would be ok in my book, as long as there is someplace safe to keep your 2nd dog.

Loaning it out to another character? Especially one that can't afford one yet?

Seems to me like that would be a bit of a loophole to exploit to get around the fact you start the game with 150gp.

Granted, you can feed your consumables to your party members. And the dog would never be written on your wife's character sheet.

Just leaves a questionable taste in my mouth is all.

I personally don't see it as a loophole. I have an extra mount, we can get to point B that much faster mounted, borrow the mount since you can't afford one.

Doug,

If it helps, I attended a convention a couple months ago, intending to play my Paladin PC in a Season 3 scenario. The GM mentioned, before the play started, that he felt a paladin would not be able to complete the assignment without falling. So I played something else.

** spoiler omitted **

I played my paladin in that scenario, and here is how I swung it.

We're a group of Pathfinder RPG lovers who recently decided to become organized and advertise that there are other gamers in the area. We play at various locations in the Kalamazoo, MI area and always welcome new and old players. If you want to play, come find us at one of our events and get your game on!

Contact E-mail: PFS[dot]Kalamazoo[at]gmail[dot]com
Facebook Group: Pathfinder Society: Kalamazoo

So, I've been a bad coordinator and not advertising to my fullest abilities. I'll try not to let it happen again.

We'll be running We Be Goblins this Sunday at 6pm per our current normal schedule. Sign up and check us out on facebook.

For what it might add to the discussion, particularly on the topic of conflicting alignments and the prohibition against PvP, former Campaign Coordinator Josh Frost was asked about somebody spending the money and magic to animate dead.

He explained that a good-aligned colleague would be within her rights to destroy the undead, and that the necromancer PC wouldn't be able to counter-attack because of PvP.

(Josh didn't care much for folks wandering around with undead minions.)

Personally, I feel if we're going to say no evil alignment, then we should also say no evil alignment spells. That would resolve a lot of the necro/pally issues right there.

In that case, ThornDJL7, there are deeper problems than the class the player is choosing.

Honestly. Some people's children!!

I know! Though, I still can't wrap my mind around why there is such a wide spread hate for Paladins.

Bob Jonquet wrote:

When another player constantly creates characters with the expressed intention of being "at odds" with my character. Such as a paladin vs. an undead raising necromancer, or a naturalist ranger with favored enemy(half-orc) vs. a half-orc defiler, etc.

I can imagine that being (a) a whole lot of role-playing fun, or (b) a real headache, depending on the attitude the other player brings to the table along with the character.

"Hey, Bob, I've got a necromancer. Do you mind if I bring her to a table with Turlokkk so that he can counsel her in the error of her ways?"

I often find that the interaction goes more like this.

Player 1: (Thinking to himself) Bob is bringing his paladin. I hate paladins, they ruin everyones fun, and it's fun to force paladins to fall because they can't just beat the snot out of me like they would in a home game due to no PvP. I'm going to make the game hell for him and teach him he shouldn't ever play paladins.

Player 1 proceeds with pre-thought out plan.

Gah! You've triggered my investigative analysis reflex! Now I have to remember numbers I heard from every character I've played alongside and calculate likely stats and then cross-reference with good and bad moments and extrapolate correlations and speculate on causality and BLAAARRRGGGHH!!!

Jiggy, you're thinking too hard.

Welcome and gratz on the promotion!

So, when I started all of this I was seriously concerned that I wouldn't have enough GMs for all of my slots which has now gone to be being concerned that I won't have enough slots for all of my GMs!

Tonight I will be submitting names for the convention benefits. I thank everyone who has volunteered so far. After tonight, the only benefit I can guarantee is free con access on the days you GM.

EDIT: Based off the initial outpour of local GM support this is shaping up to be an awesome con!

Warhorn sign-ups for GMs!!!

Marmalade Dog 17 PFS Sign Ups

Two things... pain reliever of your choice and cough drops (believe it or not, they can save your voice... saved mine while DM'ing True Dungeon).

Hydrate, Hydrate, Hydrate...

Great suggestions on here so far!

I'll have to add cough drops to my medicine bag.

I tend to have Acetaminophen(tylenol), Ibuprophen, and Caffiene(Mt. Dew) handy for home made cheap Excedrin. I also pack 500mg Vitamin C pills that I pop with every meal (1500mg/day) which is 500mg less than the max you should take in a day. Cough drops and gum are something new on my list for that bag since U-Con.

24) Show up on time! And by on time, I mean a bit early, so you arent rushing to get everything started on time.

25) Gum (Breath Refresher): Had a burger place sneak like half an onion into my burger 20 minutes before a slot. If not for Thea Peters, I would have been that guy.

Yup, real name. And I've already signed up with Mdog, so you shouldn't have to submit me to them. (don't want to confuse them if it might). And those slots should be fine.

If you really need dm's for the special, I could, but I've never played in one, and would really like to get some playing time in, in addition to my dm'ing time.

You stated you registered for all but the 4th Blackros scenario. I'll register you for that as well, while I'm at it.

19) Water bottle to drink (Refill frequently)

20) Chapstick (My lips get very, very chapped at conventions)

21) Vitamin C supplements

I've still got time to drum up more GMs. My current concern is getting GMs their swag. I have till mid January to finalize other GMs for slots, and get them free badges.

If a player just got up and left, I think it would be within the GM's purview to report that PC as dead since the player apparently abandoned the PC and did not apply a chronicle sheet to the PC as required. Of course, if the GM knew how to contact the player and ensure they got a chronicle sheet this drastic measure would not be needed.

You say you like the GM as a person and normally they do a good job. Did you discuss the game with them afterwards? Usually GMs are glad to get feedback and have a chance to explain what happened in more detail than time allows for at the table. By posting to a public forum with some serious complaints it raises the issue to a much higher level very quickly.

Wait, so you're saying that if I get up and walk away from a horrible session, that the GM has the right to just kill off my character because he's sore at me, and we don't mesh as players? I can understand saying I can't replay that adventure if it's mid-adventure, but that seems a bit excessive IMO.

ThornDJL7 wrote:

Eric Clingenpeel wrote:

Currently set for slots 3, 4, and 6. I

Would you mind if I rearranged when your slots ran, or are you set on those times, and I was going to have you run the Echoes of the Overwatched if you want, the 4th one.

Your times may work out just fine. I'm just trying to get an event schedule together.

Yeah, that should work. I wasn't planning on playing friday, but I might just have to now. :)

Eric is that your real name to double check? I've got you down 2 slots on Saturday for sure, and two on Sunday.

I'm willing to GM but can't guarantee I'll be there any day but Saturday, and that might only be for two slots, don't know.

You can definitely count on me to help run the special though, whichever one we want to do.

I was at M dog last year though and the turn out for PFS was low.

I don't think it's a sure thing that you'll have the requisite 5 tables for Blood Under Absalom.

Year of the Shadow Lodge only needs 3 though.

I hope to be able to completely disagree with you on tables this year. We had 21 tables last year, with 3 tables being the minimum we ran. Now from perspective, I can understand why you thought we wouldn't hit that number. We had 2-3 tables no where near the PFS area due to noise levels.

Well, it's official. Mike Brock is awesome, as if we didn't already know that.

We are running Blood Under Absalom, and he said he'd get us some prize boons.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO GM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP, WHAT YOU ARE INTENDING TO GM, AND WHAT SHIRT SIZE YOU ARE!!!! IF I GET YOUR NAMES TO M-DOG STAFF BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, YOU GET A FREE SHIRT AND CUP

PFS(DOT)KALAMAZOO(AT)GMAIL.COM

I'm willing to run one (or possibly two), but I'd prefer to play two or three. Just Friday and and Saturday for me. Oh, I'd like to play my 9th level as well.

-Swiftbrook

I have 3 slots that are 9th level capable scheduled now.

When the warhorn is good to go, feel free to sign up there.

Just wear armor spikes.

Hearsay quote:

I bring this up because I do not feel this person is the kind of person to make stuff up, but feel free to confirm or disprove this. I'm kind of curious.

Cheese decisions, by definition, have to legal within the rules. It is the taking of those rules and stretching them to apply in ways and situations that they were never intended. I actually support the use of cheesy character choices; I allow them in my games fairly often. That said, it is important to recognize this for what it is.

Benefiting from a class mechanic in a way that minimizes or eliminates the penalties that were designed to balance that ability is cheese.

I would argue that something is only cheese if it has no story to support it. If someone brings me something strictly mechanically based to my games, that has no story to support the mechanical decisions, I call it cheese, which is severely frowned on in my games.

Asking about mechanics in a forum does not scream cheese, unless the person says so from the get go.

Ok, I finally got the time to sit down and knock out a schedule for M-Dog 17! I will shortly be setting up a Warhorn for GM mustering and overly eager players! I've requested Blood Under Absalom and convention boons!

***Friday***

Slot 1
Intro 1: First Steps—Part I: In Service to Lore (T1)
#3-09: The Quest for Perfection—Part I: The Edge of Heaven (T1-5)
#3-02: Sewer Dragons of Absalom (T3-7)

Slot 2
Intro 2: First Steps—Part II: To Delve the Dungeon Deep (T1)
#3-09: The Quest for Perfection—Part 1: The Edge of Heaven (T1-5)
#3-11: The Quest for Perfection—Part 2: On Hostile Waters (T1-5)
#3-06: Song of the Sea Witch (T3-7)

***Saturday***

Slot 3
Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (T1)
#3-13: The Quest for Perfection—Part 3: Defenders of Nesting Swallow (T1-5)
#5 Mists of Mwangi (T1-5)
#3-08: Among the Gods (T3-7)
#3-12: Wonders in the Weave—Part I: The Dog Pharaoh's Tomb (T5-9)

Slot 4
Intro 1: First Steps—Part I: In Service to Lore (T1)
#35 Voice in the Void (T1-5)
#3-11: The Quest for Perfection—Part 2: On Hostile Waters (T1-5)
#3-02: Sewer Dragons of Absalom (T3-7)
#3-14: Wonders in the Weave—Part II: Snakes in the Fold (T5-9)

Slot 5
Special: Blood Under Absalom (T1-11) ***Pending Mike Brock***
or
Special: Special: Year of the Shadow Lodge (T1-11)

***Sunday***

Slot 6
Intro 2: First Steps—Part II: To Delve the Dungeon Deep (T1)
#2-11: The Penumbral Accords (T1-5)
#3-13: The Quest for Perfection—Part 3: Defenders of Nesting Swallow (T1-5)
#3-06: Song of the Sea Witch (T3-7)

Slot 7
Intro 3: First Steps—Part III: A Vision of Betrayal (T1)
#3-07: Echoes of the Overwatched (T1-5)
#3-08: Among the Gods (T3-7)

Currently set for slots 3, 4, and 6. I

Would you mind if I rearranged when your slots ran, or are you set on those times, and I was going to have you run the Echoes of the Overwatched if you want, the 4th one.

Your times may work out just fine. I'm just trying to get an event schedule together.

If you're willing to GM, email me at PFS[DOT]KALAMAZOO[AT]GMAIL.COM

I will endeavor to get you scheduled. I'm working with M-Dog con organizers right now to get something together. I'm looking at 29 total slots of PFS. Which would be 38% more than we did last year.

@Eric
I saw your request to join the PFS Kzoo group. I can't remember if I got a chance to accept your invite before I left for holiday events yesterday. If not, fear not, I'll get it tonight.

ThornDJL7, a player doesn't have to take the Pharasma-friendly version or the Death domain. (Indeed, unless he has access to the blog post in question, he doesn't have a choice but to take the Core version of the domain.)

I was more referring to the fact that even if it's on your domain list due to RAW, you still shouldn't be able to get the spell and be able to cast it. IMO you'd essentially have a big ol' blank spot where that spell would be.

Now in light of the counterspell argument, in that situation you would be able to receive the spell, but if you cast it in my game, and were educated on Pharasma (one of my favorite gods), and then used it to animate dead. You'd find your prayers unanswered, and I'd notate your sheet stating you needed atonement.

@Thod
You just put Death's Heretic on my to buy list. Love me some Pharasma.

EDIT: Another way of explaining my original thought process. Cleric sees on his "Newbie cleric guide" that he could pray for animate dead, being a cleric with no knowledge religion, he sits down and prays to pharasma for his spells. He gets every spell he prayed for except for animate dead. Pharasma herself would not grant the spell.

EDIT: Ninja'd. Somehow I failed to notice that part of the Addtl Resources. OP rendered moot by my bad eyesight and Gornil wins the thread, lol.

Does raise a new question imo. MUST a cleric of pharasma use the altered death/souls domains, or is he 'getting away with something' by using Animate Dead? Imo a cleric of pharasma should become an ex-cleric of pharasama if he casts Animate Dead, even if granted by domain :D

If you used an animate dead spell and you were a cleric of Pharasma at my table, you wouldn't be a cleric of Pharasma much longer.

Though, a better point may be, how did you get that spell from Pharasma in the first place? Since you pray to her for your spells.

How many slots are there for the whole convention? 15? If it's like other conventions I've been to?

I wil be there.

Wife overrided....Mike Brock will be there. Nah...j/k I was coming before I heard you were coming, but I'd like to finally get to meet you. Just need to nail down logistics now.

"If this nation is to remain true to the ideals symbolized by its flag, it must not wield the tools of tyrants even to resist an assault by the forces of tyranny."

-- Justice John Paul Stevens

Although in this case, it's really an assault by the forces of the almighty dollar.

Disgusting.

I suspect that there would be serious back lash from the public if this passed. It would not be long before it went to the supreme court which I suspect would strike it down.

Our health care bill is there now discussing if the gov't has the right to force American's to get and pay for health care.

*shrug*

I thought you were asking a question not wanting to start an argument. Not interested.

Was not so much looking for an argument, but a better explanation. Though, you may not be the person to answer that. Change doesn't happen unless you voice the opinion or desire.

ThornDJL7 wrote:

Vinyc Kettlebek wrote:

The only way to buy Ironwood equipment would be to find it awarded from a chronicle sheet.

Since it was mentioned above, and I've been curious, why is a spell like permanency such a bad thing, or any spell that is permanent?

Same reason there is no crafting, to keep everyone on a level playing field. A permanent spell has a much lower cost than the equivalent magic item.

So long as everyone is buying items from the magic item list everyone is going to have the potential of a similar power level at a given class level.

I was under the understanding that crafting was not allowed because of the tracking issues regarding all of the dice rolling that essentially happens between sessions. This really isn't the case with a permanency spell. I don't see how permanency breaks the tracking process compared to a piece of gear.

Further, as far as fair playing field. Shouldn't we disallow uncanny dodge because it's a very expensive item, but only a few classes can get it? Or any other class ability that has a corresponding item. To me, permanency falls under class ability and thus should be allowed for classes that can cast arcane spells.

I had a big annoyance when I was told that I could not make my sword an everburning sword because it broke the "permanent" spell rules even though it states right in the good faiths book for paladins of Iomedae that this was very common. I'm not sure how having an everburning sword that costs me a sword and roughly 125gp is breaking the "playing field" when I bought an Ioun Torch for 75gp and is more useful, but less thematic.

Note: I'm tired and sick and my books are at home and thus the actual names of what I'm talking about are failing me. I assume you can figure out what I mean.

You're lucky you don't game in Kalamazoo, MI. I would have already thrown you into the GM pool and seen if you could swim. lol

Hello!

One of the projects I am currently working on is an excel spreadsheet of the PFS GMs in the State of Iowa. I would also like to include the Omaha area as that is under my jurisdiction as well.

If you could shoot me an email with your name, years of PFS GM experience, city of residence and email address, I would appreciate it, thanks!

My email address is PFSIowa@gmail.com.

This is an awesome idea. Stealing for Kalamazoo!

Dominick wrote:

Dominick wrote:

I have more than three tables of PFS at these cons I run in Fl, I also have small game days.

2011:
27-May 29-May OASIS Orlando FL
17-Jun 19-Jun Metrocon Tampa FL
9-Jul 10-Jul Ancient City Jacksonville, FL

2012:
17-Feb 19-Feb Megacon Orlando Fl

I didn't see Oasis, Metro or Ancient City added. Metrocon and Oasis use a Warhorn.net site for the web...

Megacon date is wrong 17 Feb, you listed it in March, it moves around year to year.

Adding:
Hurricon Sept 27-30, 2012 http://www.hmgs-south.com/
Recon APR 26-29 2012 http://www.hmgs-south.com/

I still didnt see these added, am I doing it wrong?

No failure on your part that I'm aware of. More of a failure on my perception skill. They're on there now.

Emailed

5 days of gaming!!! Off to talk to the significant other!

The planning for Dragon*Con 2012 hasn't started yet, however I'm pretty sure there's going to be just as large of a Pathfinder presence next year as we recently had this year.

You can sign up for their Yahoo Announcements list for notification on when you can sign up for games, GMing, etc. Generally it has been 6 slots or so for a free badge to the Con (although note that Dragon*Con tickets are non-refundable, so you'd have to "sell" yours to someone else).

Well, that just means I don't have to slave myself out to PFS for once! I could actually leave the PFS area and explore a con! Not sure why I'd want to since PFS is so awesome though.

The only way to buy Ironwood equipment would be to find it awarded from a chronicle sheet.

Since it was mentioned above, and I've been curious, why is a spell like permanency such a bad thing, or any spell that is permanent?

Hey, I know Dragoncon does it's planning pretty early. I got roped into a wedding event at Dragoncon (Best man), and will be looking for something to do the rest of the con (hint hint), and I enjoy playing and running PFS. Is there currently anything in the works, an email list in case my "awesome" perception skill fails me, or something for 2012?

What I know...
It's in Atlanta. I have a room. I have a ticket for 2012.

Kyle Pratt wrote:

ThornDJL7 wrote:

Added Al Rigg to the editor list. Is there anyone else out there that needs permission (That is a VC or VL)?

Both Nani and I would love to have editing permissions. There's a couple Southeast Cons that we'd like to add/modify information on.

Just a bump to this, I'd like to add some conventions and add our contact info. Emails: kyle.pratt@georgiapfs.org and nani.o.pratt@georgiapfs.org.

You two replaced Mike Brock, so no old VC to remove from the list correct?

EDIT: You guys are added.

Enevhar Aldarion wrote:

Care Baird wrote:

I can't resist beer and hockey, Canada's two most important exports.

I thought those were Celine Dion and Bryan Adams! ;-)

Huh. I thought most Americans still thought Canada's 2 most important exports were Pamela Anderson.

Being the next generation of gamer, I'm pretty certain it's back to booze and hockey since those 3 previously listed have gone past their date of expiration, which beer and hockey has none.

** spoiler omitted **

Having met you this weekend, I have the greatest image of you puppy dog eyeing Kyle, but I also have the image of Kyle laughing maniacly at you as he rolls his next 20, and then confirms his player killing crit.

Kyle has no soul, thus can not feel mercy.

ThornDJL7 wrote:

Cyxodus wrote:

Way to go on becoming an organized group. I suggest using either Warhorn or Meetup in addition to Facebook.

Will you guys start doing Society play?

http://warhorn.net/
http://www.meetup.com/

We are doing society play...? Is there another society play I'm not aware of?

Misunderstood. Glad to hear that you guys are off and running. Look into Warhorn, my group uses it.

I haven't seen a need to use warhorn yet. We at most have 2 tables, and I just divide them into their tables. If we're running 2-3 tables, I would worry about more organized methods.

Now, if I end up running Marmalade Dog, I may and probably will use Warhorn to organize GMs. Players seem to be like cats...unherdable.

Way to go on becoming an organized group. I suggest using either Warhorn or Meetup in addition to Facebook.

Will you guys start doing Society play?

http://warhorn.net/
http://www.meetup.com/

We are doing society play...? Is there another society play I'm not aware of?

There is not a way to get a Jestecap 4711 AR boon after Nov. 14, 2011. Continue to check the PFS blog on Mondays as there may be future holiday boons.

Which holidays are you considering, or is that top secretish PFS coordinator only stuff?