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Starting a new campaign, level 1, Ustalav, PB:20, No 3rd Party.

Some tips on stats and maybe feats?


@Ciaran: yes i was not trying to offend you.. i was making a consideration XD!

that's cool if you learn how to team up (i'm wondering my party will do the same..)


@Ciaran: this because you're all playing Chaotic (S*upid) Evil?

Evils can team up... they probably will do that...as a DM you can give a strong motive for that (i suggest not the demon lord... seems too "deja-vu") or you can tell your players to made up background-bonded...


the best way to start one is: take one Good Aligned and think about the goodies here are "the enemies" and the evils are "the heroes/PCs"...
evil monsters will became allies, and force of good (angels ecc) will become "the enemies monsters"...

you may go in "evil's role" and ask yourself:

-Why they do what they do? Maybe they care for their families?

-Look at goodies not like the beautiful and merciful angels, but as they cover their cruelty with "Is the God-Desire", "I'm Law-Face"

sorry if is a confused writing... what i want to say is: change your POV

For making an example: Darth Fener.. he was Evil, but why? When he was a child he had some problems...if you look his POV, he's not so much wrong in doing what he do..


:D thanks to all!! very awesome stuff!
i like very much halfling leprechaun XD

also gnome who thinks he's a goblin diguised as a gnome XD!

Loved max the argyler ahaha xD!

for gnome prankster, his swap ability...is that disponible also for a thief?

PS: the Rudolph idea, make me remember my pirate gnome when all party is gone to Gnome-Land, and i was, from the start of campaign, talking about an ancient hero called "Gnorro (-Zorro-)" and when we came to his memorial , i was singing "gnorro!gnorro! XD


Summoner/druid is awesome xD!!

PS: thanks to all! keep posting


i think this: shock your players... don't look to classic allignement wrote on books...decide your own if a red dragon could be good, if a gold one coul be evil..


help? Don't use spells that does damages... you're not the blaster!
you're the God, set your battlefield, buff, debuff, summon minions... if you play in the right way, you'll be untouched at the end of the battle.

PS: i'm running the same campaign, with almost the same type of wizard (almost XD!) and i'm not an elven..

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qwad?Devil-Summoner-Need-Advice


ahaha XD the last was amazing!


again thanks! :) you're giving a lot of ideas!


thank you all again... i agree on what blackbloodtroll said... i don't mean to be completely useless.. but for the most funny, then i want too give my contribute to the party, maybe a minor one...


thanks all for the ideas... more are welcome! i'm trying to find the one that make me fall in love with :D


my sense of humour: i'm actually playing a gnome (gunslinger) who came from a noble family, but for "fool tradition" he fell on a pirate ship and became a pirate... his ship lasts one day, and the sea devour her..
(sorry for my mistakes...i'm not english XD)

now actually he's a PC who bite and taste things that don't know... always drinking rhum with a cup of tea (waste on the floor the tea and then drink the rhum... a tradition he says)... his reaction is usually "falling from clouds"

he actually think that our Asimaar Cleric of Sarenrae is a Vampire Necromancer that wanna resurrect all party as undead minions..


thank you all :)

others ideas are welcome!


looking for creating a new PC... and wanna make it roleplay based..

for now i've got only 2 ideas, and one came from another post in this forum:

- A gnome mounted, with a big animal like rabbit, squirrel etc.

- A goblin "sage" (http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090901172202/gremlins/images/3/36/The _Brain_Gremlin.PNG)

any other ideas are welcome :)!


can i ask more doug? i'm planning the background of PC, and lacking of ideas.. you suggested me a book that i cant read now (must wait to buy it and let it come to my home xD!) ... have you more information about this book (like why he was anger with that city...).. or maybe other suggestions/ideas for a Background?


nothing? Just to feed my fantasy XD!!


@Jaelithe : i think it's not a good idea, because that will slow party's play...


ahaha love this post u.u .. i give some ideas, not really sure you can do that, but flavourfull ideas:

- take them on a ship, let them fighting pirates/"marines", first with cannons, then in melee

- take them in a place where they are standing reversed(ehm sorry for my english.. i mean with the head down... like bats)

- take them fighting in ruins, where the ruins are over a big monster (like super extra size something [turtle?]) moving slowly

- take them in a place full of illusions

- take them fighting in a big castle, facing the sea, where they and their enemies have to watch out of the third part (enemies of them and their enemies) attacking "em with ships and magic


probably the best way to annoy your DM is: ask questions, to which he was not prepared...
do action, to which he was not prepared


My Human Devilmancer (Wizard - Diabolist) is ready to start playing!

Now i've to do his background and describe his appearance...

Some Ideas? (Thanks in advance!)


thank you doug! a very good explanation! be sure i'll read it (i love reading... now i'm starting to read DiscWorld)


and what about atomie?
i think being diminutive will not be a problem... i'll be casting all times.. for fighting in melee or carry on something there's a barbarian u.u


thank you fruian!

i can't find pictures of fey like: atomie, sprite, killmoulis or tooth fairy.. which fits better?


i really thank you, but for my roleplaying will be better a caster


Planning to create a fey PC (yess a tiny fey)
Need some ideas for:

Class (i was thinking of wizard, witch or druid)
Spells combos that grant funny gag
Other tips


thanks to all! I'm ready :P


maybe take a look to the Synthethist http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?184592-3-P-The-Summoner-s-Han dbook-A-Guide-to-the-Pathfinder-Summoner


wanna always thank you doug ^-^

NM=NE (Neutrale Malvagio in Italian) .. i've made a mistake XD!

do you think it's better for me to become LE?


my DM said ok for the class... also said:

- okk for the object that can hide my allignment, changing it in something else (i've to justify why i have that object in Background)

- what's the reason why i keep using the party? (here i've some problem to find the reason)

- we'll let the party free me from a "prison", so i've a good reason to seem friendly and kind to the party (false friend, b-astard behind the mask)--> DM suggest me i've to be NM for play the "false friend, b-itch in sheep clothing")

- need some help to define what's the goal of the PC... what he wants


i really wants to play a Diabolist, and this campaign is the only where i can play it.

there's another PC who emanate evil, because he took a strange object (like a philactery or something like that), but the paladin seems to look to him with suspect but never saying nothing on him (it's not the classic paladin i think...)

the object to block "emanate evil" i think i can get it (or create a thing like an artifact) talking with DM (pretty sure he'll agree) and maybe give one to my Imp too.

btw i think paladin can stay with an evil in party, if they have strong reason... now gotta find this reason:

-maybe i'm in the same division (there are somes.. Draco Division, another one whe don't know and Leo Division that's the paladin division)?

-maybe i'm a member of his family? Cousin, brother, sister's boyfriend?

-maybe i can bluff saying that my powers are a curse or a disease?

-maybe who present me to the party is a good NPC that the party trust?

don't know, need help to find a way to make that possible...(if is it)

for the stats i'm perfectly right with yours :) i will play an uncommon wizard XD!

str i think we can dump that... we have a strong barbarian that can carry on bags, or maybe i can talk with my DM to let me have a servant(who can't help me doing nothing but that) that carry on for me.
Or maybe an horse.


thank you all ^-^

@Doug: oh yes.. i really love to play an evil as you suggested.. but i have a big problem called Paladin XD!

i'm trying to create an evil diabolist that act behind the mask.. the false friend :)

Also i wanna ask: can you suggest a stats build with 20 BP?


specialization i mean!

so for what i want to do, this fit better? -->
Str 7
Dex 14
Con 12
Int 19
Wis 12
Cha 12


i can't cause infernal binder say: Divination, Trasmutation or Illusion..
so i took as opposites Divination and Trasmutation... i need Illusion for defence u.u

"If the creature does not break free of the trap, you can keep it bound for as long as you dare. You can attempt to compel the creature to perform a service by describing the service and perhaps offering some sort of reward"

It says PERHAPS...so :) not a big problem.. i can also convince 'em roleplaying.. my DM give much importance to "how you role that"

So you suggest improved initiative (i've DEx+Scorpion[4]) or Craft WI... maybe spell perfection?


thank you so much...

first i wanna say: the only thing (also for flavour!) that i want to do at the very best is binding outsiders (and i think i've not have to pay them.. but this i can fit, is not a problem with my DM).

for leadership, am i wrong, or i must wait 7TH?

here the spells i want to use (4th level my PC):

1TH
Grease, Mage Armor, Obscuring Mist, Charm Person

2TH
Resist Energy, Create Pit, Glitterdust, Stone Call, Web

don't even know if some has SR..


i've not really understood stats array ( :( sorry! )

first feats i was thinking are: Spell focus (conjuration), Greater spell focus (conjuration) (i will use planar binding for most of the time.. is it wrong to take those?), Spell Penetration (Devils till "lesser planar binding" have SR, if i'm not wrong...and don't really wanna fail against them), Greater Spell Penetration, True Name..

The Scroll of lesser planar binding how much will cost? (really no idea!)

Infernal Binder fit perfectly! i'm taking it :)

Spell Specialization is good.. it increase caster level, but it increase also difficulty to overcome SR (if i'm not wrong)


Now i'm planning to find a good role i want to act, and in the same time start to build my "Devilsmancer":

i'm starting at lv.4
PB:20 (+1 4thlv)
Money: level
Race: i'm thinking to take human u.u
Class: Wizard (conjuration)

What about the stats? Usually are: INT>DEX>COS>WIS>CHA>STR
but in this case (future Diabolist) i need Cha.. so how to put them in order?
Also, i've read somewhere to never take a 18(costs) but to look for a 17.. is that wrong?

What about first feats?
Some item that is a must-have for this level?


not really what i'm asking.. i wanted some tips about how to role(and how kind of) evil PC

(but thank you btw!)


some tips bounded to the roleplay of a diabolist? some ideas?


i really thank you doug.. now things seems clear to me!

I will go for Diabolist :) i have more feeling with that!


Douglas what do you think about demons? i think i've read that demons are more powerful than devils... who wrote this is wrong?


maybe casting Dimensional Anchor can help? (i think the worm will not teleport no more..)


thank you Nezzarine!


thank you douglas! I'll take a look


@Dread: thank you so much! Darkfire Adept fits perfect what i was searching!!


@Cr: yes Diabolist seems the best choice..

@Dread: that you propose is really cool, but maybe works better like a support of the caster who called a demon or a devil(if i've read well)


homebrew must be balanced btw...
for Prestige Classes if you have suggestion, probably i can take that!

basically what class is better-oriented on do this?


yes.. i wanted to do only this... summon or (maybe better conjure/call outsiders)...
i want outsiders(demons,devils) be my minions u.u...how? I don't know XD!
is there a class that allow me do this better?


thank you.. yes i was planning that..i don't want to slow down fight..
i will take a look at master summoner


hello ^-^
i'm planning to create a Devil summoner..
my question are:

- Wich class is the best-oriented to do that?
- Feats, traits that allow me to do so better/earlier?

Thank you ^-^

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