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RPG Superstar 2014 Dedicated Voter. Pathfinder Society Member. 63 posts. No reviews. No lists. No wishlists. 3 Pathfinder Society characters.


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Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Price is about right for the effect but completely wrong for spell used and CL.

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Hmmm, new item that I like vs the first time I have seen my item. Sorry other item, hope I see you again soon so I can make up for this

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

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Hey look, a new item that I actually want to keep. Good job whoever you are

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Eric Hindley wrote:
The White wrote:
Why are there so may items with the title "Item, Magic" instead of "Magic Item"?
Have a look at your Core Rulebook. I especially recommend Boat, Folding; Boots, Winged; Feather Token, XXXX; Ioun Stone, XXXX; etc. There is precedence for it.

Yea but those are generally used for items that are essentially the same as each other with a slight variance. Feather Tokens and Iuon Stones are a class of item with specific sub-items. The ones that I have been seeing (mostly) don't hold to that

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Oh god. I don't know how I pick between these two. I'd love to put the first one inside the second one and watch it run around, I need a "combine item" button

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Why are there so may items with the title "Item, Magic" instead of "Magic Item"?

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Hmm.. I actually have to vote for one of the socketable items

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Bardess wrote:
50 words item, created without spells.

I would honestly buy that item on literally every character that I ever made ass soon as they could afford it. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that my DM would take it away from me within one or two encounters

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Nearly 5k for a reusable version of 1gp mundane item that I am never going to use five thousand times.

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

ZZ Price! Drink. Assuming that price = 2*cost it is also the 2nd most expensive item I've seen and I haven't seen the 1.8million one yet

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Does "That Orc over there" count as a 1-5 word description?

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Pick a name and stick with it

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Joke item vs OP item that transforms into a meta item that transforms into a cursed item...

Joke item gets the vote because at least it is interesting and fun

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

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Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Holy s~+$ I am sick of seeing items that basically read "an <insert class I don't play> hurt me once and so now I WILL RENDER IT COMPLETELY F$&$ING USELESS"

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

2 items. 7 words in the combined names. 6 words starting with the letter "t" and 8 "t"s in total

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Hey, I finally found my first ZZ aura. It also doesn't know what race invented it - (Race?)Itemname. Good job random poster, the other guy gets my vote

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

I put this on, if you try to target me make a save, if you WIN then it fizzles, if you fail then it hits you. Succeeding a save to cast should result in nothing happening.

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

If you are going to make us make a skill check to use an item, it might be a good idea to not make it check that can be used untrained and that we can take 10 on and then make the DC 10

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Socks... that's a new one on me. My dad would love those

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Tooth item of bling vs socketable item of "I've played too much Diablo 2 recently"

Well, I suppose with the amount of variations of each of those that I have seen that I was bound to run into that decision eventually

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Oh, cool, a sword that glows in the vicinity of orcs and goblins. Definitely never seen that before. Yep, 100% original idea

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Cost 10000+

Sure... that's how this works

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

Do an action, take full damage then heal half of it (and get resed if you die)... why not just take half damage?

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

pH unbalanced wrote:
Why must he have a band?

Because it's a banned item, DUH... but yea, that one was a bit silly

Andoran Dedicated Voter 2014

1.8 million? Yea,not gonna happen

Andoran

@ TOZ. Fantasy in this case meaning High Fantasy, generally something akin to Tolkien. You know, that style of setting that 90% of D&D games have been set in since it began. It is generally what the word fantasy means unless there is a different context in play

Andoran

After looking through some of the books (namely UM and UC), it has occurred to my group that PF has pretty much given up on being a fantasy game and just gone "screw it, let's go Steampunk". Especially after UC. I mean, just look at the picture of the Spellslinger Wizard... Not that this is a bad thing, just an observation and a thread to see if anyone else has noticed this and what people's thoughts are on it. Personally, I quite like it.

Andoran

I think I like Red Leaf's spell ideas. Thanks branche for pointing out the "all cure or inflict" clause, I'd forgotten that. Knowing the other players there is a very good chance that we have a cleric somewhere in the party so I'll be playing more of a controller than buffer/healer.

I really need to get my hands on this Inner Sea thing, I keep seeing it crop up in discussions here with some cool stuff. Lacking getting that I'm thinking of getting Haunted for my curse, mostly for fluff. I don't want deaf, again for fluff, my reasoning behind disguise and bluff is that while he believes that necromancy isn't evil, he does understand that some people are against so I'll be disguising my undead and telling people "no, they are just faithful servants who have taken a vow of silence" and deaf makes it very hard to hear when the angry mob is coming at me.

Andoran

I can't see any reason why those spells wouldn't heal the stuff described. Is there any difference between me getting my hand cut off for stealing that me cutting it off myself for some odd reason? Unless you want to claim that there is some magical or divine reason to prevent them from working it should be fine.

Of course I would be very tempted to rule that if a class/item requires scarring etc that if the scars are removed the character loses any class features from that class or the item stops working (you would have to allow a save to resist any healing spells that tried to heal the scars if the character was unwilling)

Edit: I was thinking more along the lines of Restoration than Cure/Regen... Once any HP damage is healed I don't think Cure light etc can do anything about lasting results such as scars. The rest of my post remains valid for Restoration etc (although that is just my opinion, not RAW)

Andoran

So we're starting up a new campaign and I'm planning on playing a Necromancer. Before I go on I'm going to say that the DM has approved this for the game and I'm planning on play LN (character believes strongly that necromancy is not inherently evil etc etc etc) so I'm not looking for RP or moral discussions, this thread is purely for mechanics.

Game is 15pt buy using pretty much any official PF material but no 3rd party or 3.5e. I currently have access to Core,APG,UC and UM as well as Bestiary 1 and 2 if I feel like being a strange race (unlikely but possible) and we start at third level

For a start, I'm thinking Human/Oracle (haunted/bones). Taking Heart of the Wilderness instead of Skilled.
For stats I'm thinking
Str 13 (+1 at lvl 4)
Dex 12
Con 12
Int 10
Wis 8
Cha 16 (18 after human bonus)(+all other increases past level 4)

For skills I'm thinking Disguise, Bluff, Knowledge (planes and religion)

For feats I'll probably take Toughness and Extra Mystery at level 1. Not sure about level 3

For mysteries Raise the Dead and Undead Servitude seem like obvious ones for level 1 (or for 1 and 3 if I don't end up with extra mystery). Not sure about the third one but maybe Death's Touch for the bonus healing on my minion

Spells are where I'm having difficulty. For 0th level I'm thinking Create Water, Guidance, Light, Read Magic and either Stabilize(for function) or Bleed(for fluff). For level 1 Inflict Light Wounds is obvious and Cause Fear is a bonus from Bones but I have no idea what to do with the other two that I can pick. Ideas here are especially appreciated

My thanks to anyone who reads through this and helps out

Andoran

Also remember that (assuming that you can take the "use a crossbow one handed penalty" to drop a larger crossbow to a one handed weapon for its size and the use two hands) that if you enlarge yourself you could use a crossbow the next size up by taking -1(large) -1(dex) -2(oversized) -4(two handed weapon in one hand) so after enlarging, you can theoretically shoot a 3d8 crossbow at a -8 penalty

Andoran

I'll run it by the DM tonight for the lulz, if he says no I'll just run one of my other fluffy ideas

Andoran

Yea, the idea was never meant to be an optimal build, just a kind of fun build that wouldn't be horribly ineffective and also trying to reduce the number of stats a pally needs (playing 15pt buy) and I'm not a huge fan of multiclassing.

Pretty much answers as expected, thanks for help

Andoran

I see what you did there

Also, out of interest, which parts are actually against RAW? I'm guessing that all of issue 1 forbids it and that the last half of issue 2 (one giving returning and the other reliable) but what about the first half of #2 where one replacement is just an extra restriction that doesn't conflict with the other archetype?

Andoran

Is it possible to combine the Holy Gun and Divine Hunter archetypes? I'm questioning this for two reasons
1: Divine Hunter replaces Heavy Armor with Precise Shot and Holy Gun only gets Light Armor but doesn't actually replace it with anything so I'm not sure having the Holy Gun lack of heavy prevents me from also being a hunter.
2: They both replace Divine Bond but they replace it with very similar abilities. Hunter requires it to be with a ranged weapon and gun requires it to be a firearm (just a more restrictive choice that isn't actually breaking the rules for hunter) so I don't see that being an issue. Hunter grants the ability to choose returning and gun grants reliable so that may be an issue.

I suspect the answer is "RAW says no but because they are so similar, ask your DM, he might say OK"

Andoran

Inflict Wounds + Craft (alchemy) + Brew Potion feat is easily one of the best low to mid level ingested 'poisons' available

Andoran

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DMing Rise of the Runelords atm and after a few resurrections we have a Duergar Fighter. After breaking through the front gate of a goblin fort she decided to scout the layout of the building by scaling one of the towers, a fairly easy climb with some decent climbing gear. After slipping down the stairs she hears some goblins in the corridor on the other side of the door and an idea forms. The fighter goes back upstairs and points out that she still has Enlarge Person activated and asks how sturdy the roof looks... I rule that it's goblin construction and pretty crummy. A bit of conversation about options later and because of coolness factor I let this happen with a few rolls for jumping etc and the fighter hurls herself off the tower at the roof of the low building falling with the force of an enlarged dwarf directly on top of the frail bodies of two goblins instagibbing both of them with a mighty SPLAT

It occurs to me that murdering goblins in odd ways is a staple of my games. I've also had goblins get killed by being convinced to try to jump over a huge pit. The monk that was scouting ahead saw a group of about 40 goblins and ran back to the group vaulting over the pit with the ease of a well trained monk. The group starts taunting the goblins "If we can do it so can you" and "come at me bro". I get the entire group to make bluff checks. Three of them roll 20's and one rolls a 1. Three quarters of the goblin hurl themselves to their deaths pretending to be monks

Andoran

By RAW I'm pretty sure it is destroyed but I'll let someone else be more definitive about it than I can be.

My personal ruling would be that a character can make a perception check to recover lost ammo with the DC being based on the environment. In an otherwise empty room it would be a low DC like 5 but in an open plain with knee high grass it would be much higher

Andoran

Talonhawke wrote:

At 17th level a guy who never saw a dragon but maxed his ranks in K:Arcana knows his dragons just like a rogue who's never seen a Philosepher's Stone trap can still disable it.

As to the rounds i would go with the lowest recharge of used forms this casting meaning that if you started with a dragon you would probably use 1d4 for the whole spell.

So hypothetically, if I found a creature that had a breath weapon that could be use every round and did 1d4 damage and another creature that could use a breath weapon once every 10 rounds but it did 20d6 damage. If I transformed into the 1d4 damage every round monster for a single round and then back to the 20d6 damage once, I could now use its breath weapon every round since that is the lowest recharge of the forms I have used?

I would still rule that the recharge is based on the form used. Going back to my hypothetical this means that I could use the 1d4 form, then transform and use the 20d6 immediately afterwards but I would then need to wait 10 rounds to use any breath weapon from any other form even if I switched back to the 1d4 creature.

Andoran

I have to agree with the "recharge roll sticks" people. If you use a breath weapon, you cannot use any other breath weapon until the recharge timer ends.

Ravingdork wrote:
What do you do about different forms that have different recharge rates? That would seem to imply that you HAVE to track them separately. (Just playing Devil's advocate.)

I would say that if you are in a form that requires 1d4 rounds to recharge, you roll your 1d4, at the end of that time you can use a breath weapon again no matter what form you are in. If your current form requires 3d8 rounds (just picking a stupidly high number for an example) then you have to wait the 3d8 rounds even if you go back to the first from that only had 1d4 or even another form that has no recharge

Andoran

This is why I phrased it as a question, because I wasn't 100% sure, just working based on assumptions from things like critical hits not multiplying precision damage

Andoran

Wouldn't the 9d6 still be precision damage? So you would end up with 1d4+1 force + 9d6 precision.

Andoran

Great post Greycloak. I had thought of an atonement quest but I hadn't read far enough to see if there was a good one, I'll have to read that part in #3. As far as the reincarnation goes, I've already decided that the only penalty I'll be hitting the fighter with is the -2 Con drain and whatever race gets chosen. Fortunately I have a really good group, the fighter will be happy with almost any choice I make provided it isn't something really stupid and I think the only choice that would really clash with the group is Aasimar (the druid wanted to be one but I'd said core races only). I really like the idea of Duergar, it would mitigate the con drain and (if I'm reading reincarnate right) the +2wis -4cha would be ignored so I'm basically moving the +2str from human to +con and I know she would love the +2CMD vs trip. I'm going to have to come up with something really cool to beat that

Andoran

I like the idea of going with something wrath based for the irony of it all. Going small would really just be a bit more of a cash soak and put a bit more pressure on the pally to get his own cash together so I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or not. Not to mention that small nerfs her trip a bit. Small wrathful creature is sounding good.

Also, since the character was level one at death she gets the 2 point con drain instead of negative levels

Andoran

Yea, I found the stuff on ability healing and atonement. Pally's going to be about 1k out of pocket (assuming the party doesn't fork out for it)

I'll see if I can find the merchant wagon in the text

The fighter died mostly due to some bad decisions and some good rolling (they would have been cheering to roll that well normally) I'm looking for a reincarnation that wont overpower the character (recently played in a campaign with a vampire and it wasn't a lot of fun for anyone). I also don't want anything significantly underpowered (don't really want to penalize them too much, they already had to use up most of the cash they have found). Ideally I want something that will be fun for the player and will likely cause some conflict in the group but nothing huge. I'm considering Goblin just for the villager hate... this is the big one I'm struggling with

Andoran

Ok, been DMing Burnt Offerings for a few weeks now and my party of 5 (Half-Elf Druid, Dwarf Pally, Human Fighter, Half-Orc Alchemist and something Oracle) have managed to
1: Misinterpret the letter from Tsuto (arriving at the glassworks after he has left for Thistletop with Ameiko (thus also missing out on his journal)
2: Head into the Catacombs of Wrath and after getting the Pally nearly killed (-9hp with Con of 12) by the Sinspawn in B1 (a good portion of the damage donw by the alchemist missing with his bombs) head directly to B12 and B13 and the fight with Erylium. At this point the Oracle, Druid and Fighter rush the Sinspawn at the runewell while the Alchemist and Pally try to take down Erylium with bombs and a crossbow. Naturally, the alchemist misses with his first bomb which proceeds to scatter directly into the runewell, exploding inside the watter and showering the rest of the party with Wrath Water (I decide that half damage and an easier will save vs rage will apply to all members within 5 feet of the well) causing the Druid's pet and the Fighter to rage. Long story short, the sinspawn drops quickly and Erylium eventually goes down after getting into close combat and dropping the pally's dex to 4 (YAY level 1 characters not having immunity to anything yet) once they manage to get into a position where she is the nearest creature to the fighter (I let the druid use handle animal on a turn by turn basis to keep her pet from attacking). At this point the oracle is on 0 hp so the alchemist and pally decide that the best way to deal with the fighter is to knock her unconscious, tie her up and let the rage die out while the druid keeps her pet from doing anything and the oracle ties it up. The alchemist hits with a greataxe for max damage and the pally then swings and deals max damage dealing enough damage to kill the fighter (by 1)

The aftermath of all this is
They have no idea which goblin group to attack
They managed to get enough cash from Erylium's dagger to afford a reincarnation (roll was 00, DM's choice)
The pally is now an LN ex-pally (deliberately attacking a fellow LG party member who worships the same god as you with lethal damage and killing them = evil in my books) with 4 dex until the poison wears off
Everyone hit level 2

My questions:
How do I direct them to Thistletop? I'm thinking of just having a villager come up to them and explain that they went into the glassworks to see why it was so dead and found the journal in one of the rooms the party skipped.
What should I reincarnate the (scythe wielding trip specd) fighter as?
What is the procedure (and cost) for a pally undergoing attonement and getting 8 points of poison dex damage healed?

Andoran

Hmm, trust players to come up with something that is just strange enough to not be quite covered by the rules. I definitely think Stynkk got it right that the -4 for throwing a non-throwing weapon stacks with not knowing how to use it in the first place (let's face it, throwing a sword is hard if you know how to handle it, throwing it when you can't use it properly to begin with is going to be damn near impossible). I guess it's up for interpretation weather it definitively counts as an improvised weapon in that case since it never comes right out and says it but it does kind of hint at it. There's probably enough wiggle room there for it to work how I'm thinking.

Thanks for the input guys. Much appreciated.

Andoran

For the first two points, I'd probably end up house ruling it in since they aren't crafted to be throwing weapons I would make them improvised if they were being thrown and normal when being wielded, I might stack the penalties (-4 non-proficiency, -4 throwing something that isn't designed for it) and force the guy to take a proficiency feat in whatever weapon he plans on hurling around. Essentially makes the build a bit more specific and stops other characters doing the same stuff without taking an extra feat. Nice to get a second opinion on the RAW of it, at least now I can tell the players that it is a house-rule and not RAW if I allow it.

For the third point, isn't it only a -2 for wielding an inappropriately sized weapon?

Spoiler:

Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

I'm glad I got it right about not being able to use a large two handed weapon at all, can I just get some extra clarification on the following.
Medium Character can use
Tiny Two Handed weapon (as a light weapon) with a -4 penalty
Small One Handed weapon (as a light weapon) with a -2 penalty
Small Two Handed weapon (as a one handed weapon) with a -2 penalty
Any Medium weapon normally
Large One-Handed weapon (as a two handed weapon) with a -2 penalty
Large Light weapon (as a one handed weapon) with a - 2 penalty
Huge Light weapon (as a two handed weapon) with a -4 penalty

That's how I interpret the RAW, please correct me if I'm wrong here

Essentially my Throw Anything Alchemist would be able to throw a Large Bastard Sword at -4(house ruled improvised throwing weapon) -4(non-proficient) -2 (inappropriate size) for a total of -10 2d8 thrown weapon
Throw anything would get rid of the improvised -4 and weapon proficiency would get rid of the other -4 leaving him at -2 for a 2d8 thrown weapon but if he then tries to throw a Huge Kama he gets -4 for non proficiency and -4 size for a total of -8 (whereas anyone without TA gets a -12 because of my house-ruling)

Andoran

Throw Anything (Combat)
You are used to throwing things you have on hand.
Benefit: You do not suffer any penalties for using an
improvised ranged weapon. You receive a +1 circumstance
bonus on attack rolls made with thrown splash weapons.
Normal: You take a –4 penalty on attack rolls made with
an improvised weapon.

This feat does nothing to reduce penalties for throwing oversize weapons right? eg a Human throwing a large longsword would normally suffer -4 for improvised throwing weapon and -2 for it being too big for him but if he had throw anything it would only take away the -4 for improvised not the -2 for oversized.
Also, can he even use a large two handed weapon (say a large greatsword)?

The reason I ask is that our previous DM ruled that our Alchemist who picked up a Giant's greataxe could throw it with no penalties resulting in him having a 3d6 ranged weapon that he wasn't proficient in with no minuses to the roll giving him a massive damage boost at the start of combat. I have a feeling that the same player is thinking about making a build specifically around throwing weapons that are bigger than he is for the campaign I'm starting up. While this is a cool idea, I'm fairly sure that there should be some restrictions floating around that weren't there last time this was done. Pretty much, the way I read the rules, a Medium Alchemist with throw anything can throw any medium sized weapon with no penalty, a large light or one handed with a -2 and a huge light weapon with a -4 penalty (assuming no range increments and no throwing into combat penalties). I'm just making sure I have this right before I start throwing rulings around

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