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The other way to go is explore other systems. See how magic works in GURPS, Shadowrun, Rolemaster (which began as an alternate combat and magic system for D&D), Savage Worlds, WOD, WHFRP, and see what works for you.
It's totally cool to be a fan of more than one system. The Devs play other RPGs I am sure it helps with inspiration for PF.
D20 modern is a much deeper game than that. It's a different approach to the restrictive class system that pervades D20 games. I recommend that you take the time to look how it works. The initial classes are something you build from and move on to the advanced classes.
I have played D&D since the 80's and Shadowrun since 1st Ed (& many many other systems). I love both and find playing different systems refreshing, it recharges my batteries and none of the systems I love go stale.
I would be hesitant to invest my time in a massive project (because I wouldn't want to slap some stuff together and call it Shadowrun ) that other people may refuse to play because it's not the real thing.
If I were to do it I would use D20 modern, SRD is free. Maybe pick up pick up the future sourcebook, and take a look at the Spycraft books. There are a lot of very cheep 3rd party books/PDFs out there that will suit your needs (why do the work when somebody else has).
I would probably set it now/near future with goblinisation, the eurowars, and the great ghost dance happening.
Lord Snow a lot of those Middle Eastern problems stem from post 1918 and post 1945 western colonialism.... The British, Russians, French and USA exploited, meddled, assassinated, repressed and set up tyrants all for profit and power...
The mess is ours and we aren't fixing it or likely to anytime soon too much money to be made.
On the other had my country's next door neighbour is the most populous Muslim country in the world and I find the most Indonesians I know to be layed back, welcoming, fun and generous people. My family lived in Surabaya For 2 years and probably wouldn't have come home if it wasn't for the Asian Econmic Crisis.
You and I like different styles of game and that's cool.
I don't have a problem if my PCs die even if I have written few pages or so of back story, because character death shapes a party gives it a grittiness I like. The threat of death makes the rewards sweeter.
I don't know what OBs your GM was giving traps but he probably wasn't scaling them to the party. An arrow trap is the same a goblin its assigned an Offensive bonus scale it low your passive DB should negate the low OB no serious injury.
Fights are interesting because the losing party retreats or surrenders due to broken bones, severed limbs or bleeding, it's higher risk for players characters thus when you obtain your goal it's like riding your bike without training wheels for the first time.
A lot of those games have things that work and feel a lot like classes (with a lot more flexibility than D&D), WOD all the Clans, Tribes, Magical groups. Shadowrun- Street Sam, Decker, Shaman, Physical Adept and so on, Traveller - Navy, Marine, Merchant... Cthulhu Tech I have only glanced at the books and I am sure there were some thing like Shadowrun.
I still play Rollmaster 2ed/Classic (which was originally designed as a replacement for AD&D's simplistic combat system), MERP was the basic version of RM2. I love the thrill of a fight having that very small chance of being taken out in a dramatic way by a minion. They have to beat your Defensive bonus and roll high enough to get a critical that is deadly at 96 so you are looking at your 1st level rolling high enough to get an open ended roll and then add that roll on to get a 120 - 130 for a crit that will hurt then roll high enough on the crit table to kill you. It doesn't happen often, I have seen it once.
I say explore non D20 systems for a change, the RPG cycle is just clicking into the phase newer gamers from 4E PF period are maturing and wanting to try other stuff. It is also possible to like more than one thing at a time so you can play both.
We pick the classes we want to play and then work out how we compliment each other. With the support of my Witch our Bard/Gunslinger one shotted a blue Dragon (Named Bullet + other buffs). We work as a party and maintain our individuality. We discuss our concepts before the game but we don't define roles.
PFS I turn up with a Half Orc Cav and everybody tells me I have a subpar character and I should have made a Barbarian. Final battle my character and the cleric are the last ones standing and we take down... Never played PFS again too much like a sport.
You don't need to use a non crunchy system for collaborative play. I was play testing Rolemaster Unified and I didn't have a game world or a reason a dwarf an elf and two humans would be together.
One player made a dwarven warrior monk, who specialised in the battle axe throwing axes manoeuvring medium armour and adrenal manoeuvres.
Asked the player the following questions.
Why a dwarven warrior monk?
He said Dwarf orphans are sent to a monastery to be cared for and they are trained to form the skirmish line of the dwarf kingdoms army.
What is the monasteries name?
The Iron Hall.
Why are you travelling with an Elf & two Humans?
There has been a thaw in relations between the 3 nations because they border on unclaimed wild lands and Orc raids have increased and the various factions within the 3 nations have been forming external alliances to further their interests and protect them from outside threats. The Iron Hall has allied with factions that the elf and humans represent. Maybe they supply various minerals and materials that the Iron Hall uses to forge its weapons, the factions may also be the most outward looking and aggressive of the various interests operating in the 3 kingdoms.
The discussions with the elf and human players filled out enemy factions, the rest of the world, individual goals and the group goal which was to strengthen a way post next to the border with the orcs.
I just noted it down offered suggestions and my players had total buy in and knowledge of their characters history and culture.
Job done minimal work on my part. They arrived in town were attacked by assassins and had to chase down a shipment stolen by bandits. Had lots of fun.
I am right there with you, been playing since primary school and I am in my mid 40's. Played a lot of systems and its a balance of quality of player/GM/system that makes a good game or bad game.
The vancian system is a crap system, compared to the systems I have used in other FRPGs. The Psionic system in 3.5 and PF is far better and more logical system. I am talking about mechanics not fluff.
So I have no idea what you are talking about - "throwing logic out the window"
To tell the truth a lot of D&D systems are poorly done.
Interjection Games wrote:
I can and I am Australian.
It's saying I can't tell the difference between a Canadian, a Yank, and a Mexican... Highly insulting and a good way to get a very hostile reaction from all 3 of those nationalities.
BOHICA, dog and pony show and coffin nail I've heard before. Probably not original to Australian army slang. The others are new to me.
A lot of it is shared with the British and U.S military there is more than 100 years of shared history.... Australian military have been fighting beside the British since the Crimean war and beside the U.S since the 4th of July 1918 at the battle of Hamel The battle was the first time in the war that American troops participated in an offensive action under non-American command. Ten American companies joined with Australian troops under Australian command, although six were recalled before the battle. They were lucky because they got the best General of WWI, Sir John Monash.
I love dwarves I used to play them exclusively. I just got tired of the same themes. The descriptions don't help GMs or players with diversity, when I wanted to play a Dwarf with an Assyrian style background who drove a chariot in a home brew design your own races culture game, I got dwarves aren't like that... More the once.
Art work = Helmets with horns or occasionally a proper Viking helm.
Tolkien's dwarves were a mix of Jewish and Saxon cultures.
The Vikings have stories about dwarves, but so do every other culture including the Japanese, Egyptians, and Greeks.
Aranna Psionics are fun, trust me people keep wanting to play psionic classes not because they are power gamers but because the mechanics are more enjoyable than the Vancian system.
The Vancian system is boring and illogical.... I study and study and yet I can never remember how to cast magic missile after I say the magic words and if I want to cast it twice I have to remember it twice... Yeh sorcerers do away with that but not satisfactorily.
Give them a chance have a read and play one, they are fun.
But I am that crazy guy that thinks Rolemaster is a better game than any form of D&D.
You could go the whole 1984/Brave New World with the Duergar. It's a perfect fascist state to go to war with.
Dwarves in pathfinder are boring and clichéd and the same short angry beer swilling Scottish Vikings ported over from D&D.
Some Australian army slang. Shifty can confirm if correct.
BOHICA - Bend Over, Here It Comes Again. Often heard prior to the delivery of a pineapple (q.v.); i.e., one is about to be lumbered with an unpleasant task.
Boots - A suck up. Refers to somebody who is so far up somebody else's backside that all that you can see is his/her boots.
Coffin nail - A cigarette. Also known as 'lung lollie'.
Dart thrower - A member of the Australian Intelligence Corps. Refers to the perceived method of identifying compounds/areas of interest for future operations, usually conducted eyes-shut with non-master hand to ensure statistically random results.
Digger – A soldier of the rank of private or equivalent in the Australian Army, for example Look after your diggers, Lieutenant. Term comes from the Anzacs.
Dog and pony show - A painstakingly prepared briefing, usually of little real substance or value, pandering to the whims of a senior officer. Also used to describe having to participate in some sort of display for civilians as a recruiting drive. E.g. 'The boys got stabbed to do a dog and pony at the footy on Friday night.'
Fitter and turner - An Army cook. It means "to fit good food into a pot and turn it into sh-t".
F.R.E.D - A small device which is a combination of a can opener, a bottle opener and a spoon. Officially named a "Field Ration Eating Device", but more popularly known as a "F--king Ridiculous/Retarded Eating Device". In the Air Force this acronym can also denote a 'F--king Ridiculous Electronic Device'.
(To get) Holes In Your T Shirt - To get shot, usually on a "Two Way Rifle Range".
Koala Bear - Refers to somebody who is generally considered a protected species and useless in the greater scheme of things. Usually accompanied by the phrase "Not to be exported or shot at" was used to refer to 1st Armoured Regt.
Mango - Term for Army Reservist. Green on the outside, yellow on the inside and too many of them give you the s@!$s.
Mordor - Canberra, the Australian National Capital and location of Army Headquarters.
Motion thickness - Involuntary erection experienced by male personnel when sitting over the wildly vibrating wheel arch of a Unimog truck. A traveller (q.v.) or travel fat . The sort of pun you find really funny when you're 18 years old.
Motorbike licence - A ruse to get diggers to volunteer for something. Sgt: Has anybody here got a motorbike licence? "I have Sergeant!" Sgt: Good. Grab these shovels and go dig a latrine.
Two-way rifle range - The battlefield.
Wanking spanner - Your prominent hand
Joynt Jezebel wrote:
I from the far north coast of NSW originally all hippies, sea changers, and alternate lifestylers.
I had 2 great managers at the cinema and one annoying one. It was a fun place to work, I got to watch movies for free, got a free meal from the caffe, got to sit in booth with the projectionists and learn how to make up and breakdown the film and operate the projector. I considered becoming a projectionist but they talked me out of it... They could see digital coming and thier jobs fading away.
Meh I worked in a cinema in a university town "adults" are the worst. Cleaning up vomit was the bane of my existence. Blood spattered bathroom was the worst thing I had to clean after two guys had a fight.
I had a mother come and complain to me because she took her under 15 daughter into a M rated movie.... She screamed at me and I was just an usher, my manager walked over told her to calm down, she went ballistic and was going to call the police. The manger said fine go ahead.... Then he grabbed the ratings pamphlet highlighted text and read it to her.
"Children under 15 may legally access this material because it is an advisory category. However, M classified films may include classifiable elements such as violence and nudity of moderate impact that are not recommended for children under 15 years.
Parents and guardians may need to find out more about the fiilm specific content, before deciding whether the material is suitable for their child."
He then asked her name and said you're banned for a year because you are rude and a s+#& parent.
The nearest other cinema was two hours away in the next town.
3 years from now the equity laws will have settled in and become part of everyday life. There will be your wacko fringe loons who will bleat about it but the bleating will be drowned out by time - the great killer of everything.
In that three years the media will run stories that are mostly novelty, scandal, what ever sells advertising and as marriage equality becomes an everyday thing, it will get the same Coverage as marriage does now.... Boring celeb stories, and so on.
So my advice to homophobes is in time nobody will care about the crap you dribble from your mouth, so don't waste your time moaning and go and do constructive.
Joynt Jezebel wrote:
Sydney.... I'm your typical lefty inner west Chardonnay socialist.
Joynt Jezebel wrote:
Our PM is an aggressive conservative Christian - he was training to be a Jesuit priest before he decided on politics. That's why he is blocking marriage equality.
Well duh... People move in build houses or strip mine a place. Pump all thier effluent and rubbish out to sea.
I only see environments and habitats being destroyed, I don't see any new ones being created.
We are f@##ed. Unless our children are smarter than we are. Capitalism, consumerism is killing this planet.