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They are separate cemeteries with only male children of a specific age bracket and the occasional animal none of which died of disease. Other Carthaginian cemeteries have a normal spread of ages and genders. Why single out one particular age bracket and gender?

Yep the Romans were far from being good guys and the Gladiatorial games were the Roman version of human sacrifice.

The Greeks not big on human sacrifice - would sell entire cities into slavery after killing all the useless and un-sellable.

Celts - head hunters and human sacrifice, the Germans very much the same...

Ancient world was a brutal deadly place - Arcadian utopia my hairy arse!

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:

One word - Tophet
Okay, I thought so - to my understanding, basically all support for that whole thing is based on writings we get from just about the two least trustworthy sources imaginable: the Israelites and the Romans. To use American analogies, that's like learning everything you know about people from New York and the California Bay Area from people from the Bible Belt (remember, Carthaginians=Phoenicians=Canaanites, roughly speaking), or learning everything you know about the Soviet Union from the John Birch Society. While it's difficult to rule out, there are way too many alternative explanations, holes, and resemblances to other situations we know of where innocent cultural misunderstandings were milked for libel-fuel to say with anything close to comfortable certainty that that was what happened.

lots of archeological evidence for it.

In the Tophet of Salammbó, Carthage, about 20,000 urns were deposited between 400 BC and 200 BC,[12] with the practice continuing until the early years of the Christian period. The urns contained the charred bones of newborns and in some cases the bones of fetuses and 2-year-olds. These double remains have been interpreted to mean that in the cases of stillborn babies, the parents would sacrifice their youngest child.[15] There is a clear correlation between the frequency of sacrifice and the well-being of the city. In bad times (war, poor harvests) sacrifices became more frequent, indicating an increased assiduousness in seeking divine appeasement, or possibly a population-controlling response to the reduction of available food in these bad times,[9] or perhaps increased child mortality due to famine or disease.

Most archaeologists accept that infant sacrifices did occur. Lawrence E. Stager, who directed the excavations of the Carthage Tophet in the 1970s, with the view based on ancient texts that infant sacrifice was practiced there. Patricia Smith and colleagues from the Hebrew University and Harvard University show from the teeth and skeletal analysis at the Carthage Tophet that infant ages at death (about two months) do not correlate with the expected ages of natural mortality (perinatal).[16] Paolo Xella of the National Research Council in Rome summarized the textual, epigraphical, and archaeological evidence for Carthaginian infant sacrifice.[17]

12. a b Stager 1980, p. 3.
13. Jeffrey H. Schwartz, Frank Houghton, Roberto Macchiarelli, Luca Bondioli. Skeletal Remains from Punic Carthage Do Not Support Systematic Sacrifice of Infants. PLOS One. Published: February 17, 2010. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0009177 accessed 23rd January 2014
14. Ribichini 1988, p. 141.
15. Stager 1980, p. 6.
16. Patricia Smith, Lawrence E. Stager, Joseph A. Greene and Gal Avishai. Archaeology. Volume: 87 Number: 338 Page: 1191–1199. Age estimations attest to infant sacrifice at the Carthage Tophet. accessed 23rd January 2014
17. Paolo Xella, Josephine Quinn, Valentina Melchiorri and Peter van Dommelen. Phoenician bones of contention. Volume: 87 Number: 338 Page: 1199–1207. accessed 17th February 2014

Interesting - I wonder what the dudes to damsels dismay/distress ratio is...

How would you set the criteria for such a comparison - Can hiring the party for a mission enough to rank as dismay... I suppose immediate threat of death to the NPC should be the indicator.

Making fun of the accent of a woman who's newborn died in a horrible way - seems racist to me.

The German and American tourists are adults and had been advised not swim or wander off.

I can deal with the descendant of criminals crap, but the Dingo ate my baby meme is offensive as all hell.

I don't understand what is funny about a real situation where a baby was ripped to shreds and consumed alive by a pack of wild dogs. Even if it is said in an accent different to your own.... It's insensitive and racist.

To top the whole tragedy off they mother was tried by both the media and incompetent and corrupt police and sentenced to jail for murdering the baby. She was later acquitted, but her marriage and family had broken down and she lost everything.

So tell me why it's funny please?

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
Krensky wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
Except in ancient Carthage will always be bad guys.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
Cato wasn't wrong.
However you feel about the USA, you seem to really hate Carthage. That' I ask why?

One word - Tophet

As for the US it's over emphasised and frequently over done. I don't hate the US it just doesn't interest me when it comes to history... Because of the prevalence of US history/culture in the media other stories are lost.

WWII - The majority of the German army was destroyed by the Russians. Entire German divisions disappeared on the steppes, ground into the earth.

Korean War - I can choose from Canadians, Australians, British, Turks, and so on. why I want to go over the known history, why not educate my self about what the rest of the world was doing.

Vietnam - Australians, Koreans, New Zealanders, Thai, Taiwanese, all have interesting stories.

Cthulhudrew wrote:

Or the latter plus penal colony for undesirables/people or creatures too dangerous to be kept around so-called civilization?

The former could certainly be something remote like Sarusan; the latter could be somewhat closer to the "known" regions of the world.

Alkenstar is perfect .

I am currently playing a grenadier pistolero 4/4 I used alchemical weapon on a dragon pistol, ruled that only one target was affected by the acid/alchemists fire.

Explosive missile and alchemical weapon are stackable.

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Australian, straight, leftist, atheist, male, in my 40's... My sports teams are the Waratahs, St George Illawarra Dragons, The Swans, the Wollongong Hawks, and Sydney FC.*

I prefer Rolemaster, Shadowrun and GURPS to D&D/Pathfinder. The character making formula is just too visible in D&D, there is a sameness and predictability in the art of character crafting. Paizo have done a good job in providing more options and I enjoy the game almost as much as the others.

I have a rule - I don't play the same race, gender, class, age bracket twice in a row.

My current character is Bruanathos Von Castalan a half elf Grenadier/Pistolero he was a dashing highwayman before joining up with a bunch of mournful boring self flagellating Pharasmites, in the Carrion Crown AP.

My previous character for CotCT Lavinia (witch) was a 35 year old Galtian widowed and exiled noble woman who had a daughter. She was a cross between Coco Chanel and Glenn Close's character from dangerous liaisons. She was very attractive and designed perfumes and haut couture, she turned to adventuring to supplement her income, find a good match for her daughter and get a Korvosan title.

The character before that was a for a GURPS Western/Zombie apocalypse game. He was a young Chinese Cook/martial artist called Lu Tze or just Lou by his employers the McEwans. We didn't know there was going to be a Zombie element to the campaign and we were playing farmers protecting their farm from outlaws and rival families. My character turned out to be a very effective Zombie dispatcher.

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"We're on a mission from God". Elwood Blues.


I like it so far...

A good mix of the better parts of RMC/2 and RMFRP
A lot simpler than RMFRP
Gives me that late 80's nostalgia.
Fun flexible and cool

Not for starting gamers
ICE don't have the staff or budget to do a play test at the speed of Paizo so it is slow.
Some wonky choices - being rectified in the next release.
No creatures or treasures available yet.

The simplest explanation I have heard is gravity effects time like a bowling ball on a trampoline. The larger the gravity the object possess the slower the object moves through time.

So time where there is zero gravity time would be faster and therefore not constant through the universe.

In an infinite multiverse there would be infinite possibilities.

Krensky wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
Except in ancient Carthage will always be bad guys.
Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

Cato wasn't wrong.

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Computer games, RPGs, Boardgames I have Countries of preference. Often that means I am aligned with the US but I avoid playing the US if possible.

Modern 21st Century and beyond.
1. Australia
2. Any other Commonwealth nation that is not the UK - So NZ, Canada, SA, India and so on.
3. The UK.
4. EU countries
5. Japan
6. The US if I have no other choice.
7. China
8. Russia

World War II

The US moves to 5. Germany Italy and Japan move to the bottom of my list.

World War I

Germany, Austria move to the bottom of my list Japan moves up Turkey sits above Germany.

The US moves to the bottom

US sits at the bottom

Renaissance, Medieval, ancient - what ever looks cool... Except in ancient Carthage will always be bad guys.

Nothing more satisfying then crushing the US when it pops up in Empire Total War and even better is crushing the US with the Maharata after I have captured London.

What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
They used to put the noobz up at the front of the Navy ship with a big pole with a hook on it to pick up the mail buoy.

Was that before or after they were sent to stores to ask for a 12 inch populating tool?

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It's not cool & one must obey the rule of cool.

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Name him Justin Bieber...

Some Australian bush poetry - Australians always believe there is a disaster around the corner.

Said Hanrahan

(John O'Brien)

"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan
In accents most forlorn
Outside the church ere Mass began
One frosty Sunday morn.
The congregation stood about,
Coat-collars to the ears,
And talked of stock and crops and drought
As it had done for years.

"It’s lookin’ crook," said Daniel Croke;
"Bedad, it’s cruke, me lad
For never since the banks went broke
Has seasons been so bad."

"It’s dry, all right," said young O’Neil,
With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
And chewed a piece of bark.

And so around the chorus ran
"It’s keepin’ dry, no doubt."
"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out.

"The crops are done; ye’ll have your work
To save one bag of grain;
From here way out to Back-O’-Bourke
They’re singin’ out for rain.

"They’re singin’ out for rain," he said,
"And all the tanks are dry."
The congregation scratched its head,
And gazed around the sky.

"There won’t be grass, in any case,
Enough to feed an ass;
There’s not a blade on Casey’s place
As I came down to Mass."

"If rain don’t come this month," said Dan,
And cleared his throat to speak –
"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "
If rain don’t come this week."

A heavy silence seemed to steal
On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed a piece of bark.

"We want an inch of rain, we do,"
O’Neil observed at last;
But Croke "maintained" we wanted two
To put the danger past.

"If we don’t get three inches, man,
Or four to break this drought,
We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out."
In God’s good time down came the rain;
And all the afternoon
On iron roof and window-pane
It drummed a homely tune.

And through the night it pattered still,
And lightsome, gladsome elves
On dripping spout and window-sill
Kept talking to themselves.

It pelted, pelted all day long,
A-singing at its work,
Till every heart took up the song
Way out to Back-O’-Bourke.

And every creek a banker ran,
And dams filled overtop;
"We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"If this rain doesn’t stop."

And stop it did, in God’s good time:
And spring came in to fold
A mantle o’er the hills sublime
Of green and pink and gold.

And days went by on dancing feet,
With harvest-hopes immense,
And laughing eyes beheld the wheat
Nid-nodding o’er the fence.

And, oh, the smiles on every face,
As happy lad and lass
Through grass knee-deep on Casey’s place
Went riding down to Mass.

While round the church in clothes genteel
Discoursed the men of mark,
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed his piece of bark.

"There’ll be bush-fires for sure, me man,
There will, without a doubt;
We’ll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"Before the year is out."

Kajehase wrote:
Jack Assery wrote:
Is it ok for a hetero to comment on here?.
I've not been chased out so far, so I'd say you're fine as long as you behave. ;-)

They haven't chased me away either... I am amazed and thankful at how tolerant and inclusive people can be, especially when they are often the targets of exclusion and hate.

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Yep screen is all clean... I just had an image of trucks rolling up delivering 1000's of flaming bishops hats.

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Matt Thomason wrote:
Pan wrote:
What is a kilometre?

Metre - obviously a typo of "mitre", a hat used by bishops and popes.

Kilo - means 1000 of.

So it's a bulk delivery of religious headwear.

Bloody hell mate I just snorted Chai all over my iPad. Please post a warning before writing hilarious posts.


Australian who grew up outside the big city here and seeing snakes is just a normal thing.

These are the rules that a drummed into you (for both snakes and spiders).

Rule one: If you see a snake do not go near the snake, If you go near it and it bites you, it's your fault and you are a d!%&$ead.

Rule two: Do not prod, poke or in any way antagonise a snake if it kills you its your fault and you are a d%$+%ead.

Rule three: Leave snakes alone if you can as they do a job killing rats and other feral animals.

Rule four: If a snake is in an area where it is a threat and you don't have time to call in the Rangers or local council to remove it then you will need to kill it. Do it quickly and as humanely as possible.

Itchy wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:

We had a pure white cat called Daisy - she passed away last year she was very very old. She was my wife's cat. Even though don't think we should have cats as pets in Australia as they devastate native animal populations, I did love Daisy and much to my wife's annoyance Daisy had designated me as her human.

My daughters have been asking for a new pet, we have just had a baby so we are going to wait a year or two.

Spoilered to avoid derailing the purpose of the thread:

** spoiler omitted **

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I am thinking budgies... My father in law breeds them and they are low maintenance - As I will end up being the one that does the feeding and looking after.

Lots of cool insects and arachnids - I used to have a Saint Andrews Cross spider when I was a lad.

houstonderek wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
The 90's just called they want their subculture back.
Early Eighties here.

We used to get your crap cultural fads about 10 years after it was fashionable but now with globalization its instantaneous..Yay for the intarwebz.

First time I heard of a Valley Girl was in the early 90's on the Shadowrun Dumpshock Forum... Same sort of thing.

I think the 8th Dwarf was my handle on that one as well.

long time ago....

I do know two real Valley Girls - people who grew up in the Valley both of them professional working women and nothing like the stereotype.

Its funny when I asked them where they were from they both sighed and said the Valley... For the first one I said what Silicon Valley and she laughed then she did the Valley Girl thing...I went ah that movie with Alicia Silverstone...

The 90's just called they want their subculture back.

DerCed it looks like you have mastered the most important rule of the Game - you all win when everybody at the table (yourself included) is having fun.


We mash monsters up all the time, we have been playing for over 30 years so we need to spice things up. That being said you have to be consistent with the rules if you are going to change monsters. Don't break the rules unless you can use the "rule of cool" to justify it.

One of our group writes for Raging Swan he likes to test monsters and evil ideas on us.

As for the other stuff talk in a friendly way post game - "hey mate I think you made a bit of a ruling that I don't think matched the rules in the book, can we talk about it?" After your chat if it goes well say "how do you want me to approach you if I disagree with a ruling next game - let you know straight away, pass you a note, wait until the session is over?"

Of course you should establish a procedure for rules disputes before you begin a campaign.

Ours is we role with it and discuss it at the end of the session, unless the character or party is endangered by the ruling... We have 5 mins to find the rule read it and come to a consensus so it doesn't bog the game down.


We have so many games between us... GURPS, Shadowrun, Old VtM, Rolemaster, Dr Who, the RPGs set in the WH40K universe...

Never play any of them its always Pathfinder :-(

I am a bit burnt out with PF, I am enjoying our current AP but I would love to be playing a different system.

Why replace one foreigner with another...

Minimal Minimalist position.... We get a royal, Harry for example make them an Australian citizen then tell them they are King or Queen of Oz and they have to give up citizenship of pommy land and they and their descendants assume the role and powers of the GG.

Minimalist position (mine)..... We change the title GG to Prez and and the Prez is selected by 2/3rds majority of parliament - avoids US style presidential circus.

Populist position - US style circus.

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I don't have a bucket load of cash to "donate" to the "liberal" party to buy my title.... :-(

F~%#ing Tony "swears allegiance to the Queen not the people of Australia" Abbott. He can f%#* off back to Pommy land where he was born.

We had a pure white cat called Daisy - she passed away last year she was very very old. She was my wife's cat. Even though don't think we should have cats as pets in Australia as they devastate native animal populations, I did love Daisy and much to my wife's annoyance Daisy had designated me as her human.

My daughters have been asking for a new pet, we have just had a baby so we are going to wait a year or two.

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Chubbs McGee - is not allowed to play an Aboleth paladin called Pete.
People playing halflings, gnomes, kender, drow, anthropomorphic animals and other forms of cheese laden munchkinism will have the "Mickey taken"at every opportune moment.
Don't get drunk.
Don't swear if the kids are awake.
The DM can be bribed with chocolate and alcohol.
It's just a game - have fun!!!!!

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Aranna wrote:

That isn't surprising Pan. Men don't have to deal with sexist behavior on a daily basis. You probably only think of it in an academic sense if you think of it at all. So yeah, it isn't surprising if the term never came up in your circle of buddies. It isn't an issue for you, not even in the reverse direction.

Way to be dismissive of another human....

You are very blunt and lack tact.

Rynjin wrote:
Aranna wrote:
Rynjin wrote:

"Reverse" sexism?

It either is sexist or it isn't. "Reverse sexism" implies that sexism can only ever apply to a single sex.

Which is sexist.

Are you confused by the term? Sexism is singled out in many cases as against women. While strictly it can mean against either gender; if you asked random people on the street about sexism most if not all of them would assume you meant against women. This makes the addition of "reverse" to the term necessary to make it clear you are targeting men not women.

No, not really. It creates a false dichotomy, implying they're different things.

I also hate the term "reverse racism" when it's black on white racism or something instead of the other way around. Just call it what it is. Racism. Same as for anyone else.

Creating a second word for the same thing just contributes to separation.

@Drejk: It can't be Poland. There are no people shaped like balls.

It's kind of like saying reverse backwards, ATM machine, propelling the ball forward... It's a redundant word... Like the s you Yanks add to the words sport and Lego.....

I like Bills link - Ochams Razor..... What's more plausible - fire in the cockpit (flight deck) or huge international conspiracy to steal a jet.

I would go with the fire and an attempt to reset the electronics.


I am sitting with the 11th dwarf now, she is in one arm sleeping while I type with one hand. 1:30 is the next feed and my shift ends and I can go to sleep. She won't go to sleep in her cot until 2 am for some reason but she will sleep if I am holding her.

My internet is slow... I would normally be watching Black Adder on iVew :-(

Have to call my internet provider tomorrow.

Adam Daigle wrote:
One would hope.

Especially if it's the dream of something very very very old and very alien.

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I am on line at random times OSW. Mrs The8thDwarf (she did all the hard work, I held her hand mostly) and I had a baby a week ago today, so between feeds, nappies and the witching hour (8:30pm to 3:30 am) I jump on and read and post if I am not cat napping.

It's funny I was thinking of starting a thread called "please hijack this thread and talk about American politics".

Did you go on the March in March... I was planning to go and protest our right wing nut job, but somebody far more wonderful and important altered my plans.

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It shouldn't matter how any group plays as long as everybody at the table is having fun, because that's how you win the game.

The benefit of having a diversity of players and DM on the boards is the sharing of knowledge and ideas. More knowledge leads to an improvement in play and growth as a player or DM.

You don't have to agree with people, just be respectful when you do. I have had one or two disagreements with several of the people above, I always try and approach the disagreement with the attitude that neither the person I am disagreeing with or their idea is stupid or abnormal - it's just not to my taste.

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Or the ship could pull in to re provision and find a guide or pilot to take them around the fog shrouded reef.

When the "thing" happens the ship can be run aground and 2/3rds of the crew be taken. The village promises to help re-float the ship if they go to the island.

You have 4 motivations for your players, get your crew back, get your ship re-floated, investigate the mystery and make the sea-way safe for other ships.

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Seriously -( bell end reporters aside ) you are one of my go to reviewers DM because of the great writing and quality reviews. I hope that you are free to review again soon.

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Woohoo I am a dad again - Mrs The8thDwarf has given birth to our third Dwarfling, on Tuesday at 4am and my Tiny Dwarfling weighed in at 4kg I am not sure what that is in pounds.

We are now dealing with epic feeding sessions and lack of sleep :-)

Calex wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
From where I sit - it's one of several old fat dudes with a beer or wine or port in one hand dice in another saying, "I cast a fire ball." Then muttering something like "I need lots of sixes, come on dice be lucky" rolling a hand full of dice then yelling YES or S+&*.


FYI...I don't drink...

Several of us aren't fat (I am unfortunately) but we usually have, crackers, good cheese, beer, wine and port at the table.

Musical interlude.

Interesting discussion on the environmental policies of Australia's right wing nut job Prime Minister......

The wiggles also covered Lola and Its a longway to the top.

That is a hard choice...

I can't choose...


You do know what 6 months in a leaky boat is about....,

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