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Goblin Squad Member. Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Battles Case Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Maps, Pawns Subscriber. FullStarFullStarFullStarFullStar Pathfinder Society GM. 100 posts. No reviews. No lists. No wishlists. 10 Pathfinder Society characters.


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amir90 wrote:
Kudaku wrote:

The resolution is approximately 3600 x 4500 for the flip mat maps, while the images in the Emerald Spire PDF are ~ 1200 x 1500.

The image quality is similar to other PDF flip-mats - have you had any experience printing other flip-mats?

I have not. But any additional information you can provide would be appriciated.

I am leaning on buying the flipmat from this site, but the whole group will chip in this time. I wonder if this item has to be taxed in Norway or not. An addtional 20 usd is not a lot.

I've printed out flip-mats directly from Acrobat Reader and using the tiling or poster print options. I believe the more up to date versions of Adobe calls the option poster. Then use the print preview to see how it will split up the pages. The resolution paizo has it set up prints out the perfect size if you don't have Adobe fit it to a single page.

Then I cut them up and tape them together. For added benefit I will put them in a poster top loader that is larger than 24" x 32" which allows me to write "on" the maps with wet erase and clean it up later.

I priced out printing the maps on a printer that is extra wide so it could come out as a single sheet and one place wanted to charge me about $30 per page which was way too much.


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Doug Miles wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Careful Doug, unless something has changed with Free RPG Day rules, we aren't supposed to have any details posted about the modules. I found out last year when I posted a question about the stat blocks and got my post deleted by paizo staff. They emailed me to explain why it was deleted last year.

Edit:
At least not until after the module is officially out.


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Matt Thomason wrote:
Sara Marie wrote:

Estimated time remaining: 6818 minutes, 11 seconds

-.-

What, you didn't hop back into your time machine so you could go start it last week? ;)

Well, she could, but unfortunately the system wasn't ready to start back then :).


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Skeld wrote:
David Neilson wrote:
Is it wrong I am most excited by the maps? I always feel my abilities as an on the fly cartographer is greatly lacking.

I've started pre-drawing maps/rooms I need on 1" grid paper.

-Skeld

Skeld,

Do you mean you are pre-drawing the maps for Emerald Spire? If so, how did you get access so early?

I was on the kickstarter and still have not received the PDF; supposedly we were going to get the pdf as soon as it is available.

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I know you are really busy. Do we know when the GMs will be given their pdfs for what they are going to run for this?

Thanks


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The store we ran the Comic Book Store invasion on Saturday had not received any of the comics they ordered. So, they sold zero comics at our event.

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John Compton wrote:
Terek wrote:
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One difficulty in this proposal (on what would otherwise make an interesting experiment) is that you're suggesting one the biggest sanctioning projects in PFS history be performed as a test run to see if that's the right model. I would be more open to considering this experiment for a module, for example. In fact, the virtual identicalness of "campaign" vs. "module" rewards just happened for Tears at Bitter Manor, so perhaps we can see how that shakes out over the next month.

The question though is how would you know which way it was run? The cat is already out of the bag on that one, and people won't necessarily know that they should mark A if they ran it in PFS mode or mark B if they ran it in campaign mode. Unfortunately if you just watch the boards, you won't really know how much people prefer it either way because only the people who feel strongest about it will truly make an effort to post their opinions.

Besides, the experiment I proposed doesn't have to be done with Emerald Spire, nor does it have to be done soon or ever. If you want to know what your PFS players prefer is put the instructions in the a future sanctioning document where there is no reward difference between campaign mode and normal PFS mode.

Also, I don't know how it would be much more difficult to allow both campaign mode and PFS mode if the only difference between the two is you must run all with whatever rules you want and you have to wait for us to finish all of the chronicles vrs you can run it piecemeal in normal PFS mode. Then again, I truly do not know how things work at Paizo and there may be some underlying reason why it is more difficult to allow campaign mode that I am just not aware of.

Emerald Spire is a big product of yours that I have been excited for, hoping you'd allow campaign mode. I really would like to have the option to get PFS credit, but not be limited to the PFS rules which is what campaign mode allows.

I do like how well your scenarios are balanced for PFS rules, but have felt that modules aren't really balanced well for it and when I run modules I like to be able to adjust things as I see fit.

That being said, said you'd consider allowing campaign mode if we could make well enough a case for it which is why I am trying. I think I have exhausted all the reasons I can think of and leave it up to everyone else.

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
John Compton wrote:
I anticipate handling this in a manner similar to Thornkeep, in which "campaign mode" was not an option. I'm willing to hear out reasons for why Emerald Spire should be playable in "campaign mode."

I also don't see why it's needed. Every level was designed (to my knowledge) to be like a Thornkeep level, and Thornkeep worked great as a module-only playstyle.

My biggest reason for not allowing campaign mode is that honestly, it has been VERY hard to sell any of the multi-part modules and APs here for playing at a game day. For all the modules and APs that have sanctioned content, nobody wants to do it. [b]Everyone would just rather do it in campaign mode (for both the freedom and the extra rewards...)[\b] so getting things like Dragon's Demand or AP books in the PFS schedule has been nigh impossible.

Conversely, Thornkeep modules have been immensely popular. We run them at game days, and we run them at conventions. It would be great to have a direct replacement for these, as TK is getting quite stale and less and less people can play in them anymore.

I know you are arguing against allowing Campaign mode in Emerald Spire, but if your PFS players prefer to play it in campaign mode, isn't that a good argument for allowing campaign mode?

Now your comment doesn't emphasize exactly why your players would prefer campaign mode. If it is just for the extra rewards, then I probably would reluctantly agree with you, but if it is because they would prefer the freedom of campaign mode then I think it might be better to allow it since the players prefer it that way.

So maybe we could just try campaign mode vrs PFS mode. Release it with the same reward either way. But for Paizo to really know which is preferred they would have to have us report if it was run in campaign mode or not. Maybe they could have those that run in PFS mode mark box A and those that run it in Campaign mode mark box B when reporting it. That way if people forget to mark the box, it doesn't skew the statistics to either side. If they did this, they would be able to know which way it gets run more.

However, what it comes down to the most is Paizo is a company, yes they care about their customer base's opinion more than I believe most companies do, but they do need to make money so they can afford to keep making their product for us. The real question they need to find the answer to is this: do they sell more modules if they allow campaign mode versus if they only allow PFS mode? I have no idea which way would sell more and because I have already pre-purchased this product, their decision either way won't prevent me from purchasing it.

P.S. I tried to bold the comment in your quote but I am either doing it wrong or it isn't working. I didn't want to just quote only the thing I was referencing because I didn't want to take your quote out of context.

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Carlos Robledo wrote:
John Compton wrote:
I anticipate handling this in a manner similar to Thornkeep, in which "campaign mode" was not an option. I'm willing to hear out reasons for why Emerald Spire should be playable in "campaign mode."

...

My biggest reason for not allowing campaign mode is that honestly, it has been VERY hard to sell any of the multi-part modules and APs here for playing at a game day. For all the modules and APs that have sanctioned content, nobody wants to do it. Everyone would just rather do it in campaign mode (for both the freedom and the extra rewards...) so getting things like Dragon's Demand or AP books in the PFS schedule has been nigh impossible.
...

In the group at the store where I coordinate games, we don't run any modules except for free RPG day modules because multiple people have the opinion that modules are not well balanced for PFS characters. Opinions may vary, but that is what is prevalent here.

If campaign mode is allowed I am positive our players will play it. Dragon's Demand is the only module outside of free RPG day modules they have played. There doesn't even have to be any extra rewards for campaign mode to get them to play it.

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Its good to have a PFS post again on a Monday, that being said I understand why we've had the silence with how busy you are with this years conventions.

Will Emerald Spire be playable in campaign mode for PFS credit? My group doesn't do modules unless they are playable in campaign mode.

Thanks,
William Crandall


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Why do people want to see Jason Bulmahn get punched in the face? I sat at the table he was at during the banquet last PaizoCon and he was really nice.


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Steve Geddes wrote:

For those concerned with removing the map who havent yet done so, I just got a second copy of Tears at Bitter Manor and the glue had the same issue. However, by laying the book and map flat and twisting the map counterclockwise 90 degrees, then clockwise the same, then 180 degrees, etcetera, I was able to twist the map off. When it finally began spinning freely, it separated without tearing either the map or the inner cover. The blob of glue was reasonably easy to remove then.

The map is still a little "scrunched" but there's no tear which really stood out the first time around. For the next module, I think I'll try lying the book on an electric blanket first.

i wish I read this before I separated my tears map... I was extremely careful and still tore a small part. About 1-2 millimeters in diameter. Wardens got crinkled but no tear (thankfully) and dragons demand came off fine with a slight discoloration that I can't see unless I look for it.


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Is Pathfinder Legends Skinsaw Murders CD not shipping with the May shipment anymore? I pre ordered it and didn't see it in my email.

If not, i have no problem waiting until it is ready for a subscription shipment.

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lantzkev wrote:
yeah, ya know how excitement goes and all =D Hoping for some information now that it's around the corner so to speak.

They are behind on sanctioning modules with how busy they are preparing for the end of season 5 and the beginning of season 6. I don't know if this one will come out too quickly unless they make it a higher priority than they have with Tears at Bitter Manor and Wardens of the Reborn Forge.

Me, I am hoping they make it runnable in campaign mode... I didn't start running modules for PFS until they let us run Dragons Demand in Campaign mode. I've always felt the modules weren't balanced well for PFS but the scenarios were so I stuck to those.


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Chthonian Sun wrote:

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Secondly - A lot of the large and rare pieces leave me flat. Paizo's dragons in particular lack zest and personality (which is why I skipped both the White and Red evolution sets-- this is true in the 2D art as well!) Todd Lockwood knocked it out of the park, and spoiled me on generic looking dragons.
...

Personally, I feel Paizo's dragons have more flair. Reds remind me of barbed devils. Green remind me of a stalking rhino lizard. I like the sleek blues. Each to their own I guess.

Chthonian Sun wrote:

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Finally, there are too many releases!
...

I was worried when they had a very short time scheduled between Reign of Winter and Wrath of the Righteous. I was glad when they changed the schedule. Three to Four a year is just right for me. Again, everyone has different preferences.


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I am sad to hear the evolution/encounter packs aren't doing well. I've felt they were really good. Your Red Dragon Evolution was my favorite. I prefer your red dragons over my Wizards of the Coast red dragons. Also, I've really been hoping for a green blue and black one, in that order of preference.

I've introduced one of my brothers to these miniatures and he has been getting them all, like me.

I hope sales pick up for you. I also wish WotC's set does well too, but I doubt I will be collecting theirs.

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Year of the Cylons...

Maybe they won't make it a "Year of the _______" this year and have a different phrase. Rise of the Machines?

Advent of the Iron Gods is the only serious guess I have at this time.

... and they have a plan.

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You are probably right Doug. He doesn't match my guess's description in

Spoiler:
The Blakrose Matrimony

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Spoiler:

I believe the guy on the left might be Tancred Desmire. Not sure about the other three.

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John Compton wrote:
This is correct. A boon will call out eidolons, animal companions, and the like if they apply for the benefits.

Thank you Walter Sheppard and John Compton.

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A player is trying to convince me that this boon from Siege of the Diamond City:

boon spoiler:
Siege–Hardened: You survived the Siege of Nerosyan, and you have learned some impressive tricks for fighting demons. You gain a +1 bonus on weapon damage rolls against creatures with the demon subtype. Before rolling a caster level check to overcome a demon’s spell resistance, you may cross this boon off your Chronicle sheet to gain a +3 bonus on the roll.

applies to his Eidolon, but I tell him I don't think it does because it says "you gain a bonus" not "you and your companion gain a bonus". I do not believe this applies to animal companions, summons, nor eidolons. He claims that in the case of a summoner, his eidolon is him because that is where all of his power is.

I've searched the boards, about boons for Siege of the Diamond City and can't seem to find any ruling on this.

Does anyone know where a Paizo representative has ruled on this situation?

Thanks.


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Kiba wrote:
Terek wrote:
How do you get sneak attack on a full attack action when you vanish? I thought it works like Invisibility and drops when you attack so only your first attack gets sneak attack, unless you use your helm of the stag on all extra attacks.

could you please link what you are talking about? this is the first im hearing of this and with helm of the stag, its only on the next ranged attack.

*edit* nevermind i found it,

well in that cause, just go to level 10 and grab the invisible blade trick, where vanish counts as greater invisibility

Helm of stag is a free action IIRC. You can burn more than one charge a round.


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How do you get sneak attack on a full attack action when you vanish? I thought it works like Invisibility and drops when you attack so only your first attack gets sneak attack, unless you use your helm of the stag on all extra attacks.

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Thanks Michael, I sent you a PM with my email address.

Sior, I am talking about the one Paizo gives you on the Event Coordinator page where you report it. Too many GMs don't print out a reporting sheet and those have the Event number already filled out.

Also, if someone doesn't include their character number with their PFS number, it can be a PAIN, to track them down to find their character number. I'd rather give them a reminder. Especially since they usually write down their character name not their name. How do I know who Revan Ravenloft is if the GM and I don't know the person? Especially if he is from out of state? I'd give a little help to reduce the number of times this occurs by putting in a visual reminder that there are two parts to the character number. I still have sessions from over a year ago that have not been fully reported and the people did not respond to my email so there is nothing I can do about it.

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I'm the event coordinator for a big event going on in a week, and I've noticed some stuff that would be nice to have on the default session sheets.

Now, I know it is too late for me to get these changes before that event but maybe this will help someone else or be around next time.

1) We need to have a spot to enter the scenario that was ran. In case we have an event that has more than one scenario available. I've seen GM's forget to write down what scenario they run at past events.

2) We need boxes for the GM's to check the possible victory conditions. I believe there are only 4 possible ones: A, B, C, and D. Or, we could just have a line to enter them in.

3) Do we still need Shadow Lodge and Lantern Lodge? Those could be removed.

4) We might want to have a '-' already entered or a separate entry for PFS# and character#. I've had too many people leave the character number off.

I am thinking of making some changes to my download for my event with those in and photo copying those changes.


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Draven Torakhan wrote:

I've got a mage in the party I'm running this for. Long-term player, knows to get scrolls, etc. He was wondering if there was a local mage he could buy items/scrolls/various and sundry from.

With Hunclay's death, is there anyone else who fits this bill?

If not, it's no big shakes.. the PC wizard has already figured 'well, if there isn't a resident wizard now, I'll take the spot.'

Here is how I am dealing with that.

Spoiler:

There is one level 5 caster in town, the alchemist Xemne of Degazi. I gave item creation feats to her.

Also if you look on page 59 on the city summary, there is info about some places with magic items for sale.


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How do we report the bonus chronicle? Since it gives a level and prestige, I will have players comment about it not showing up on their character log.


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Brocimus wrote:
danielc wrote:
Erik, do you still want specific photos of the more obvious problems? Things like large areas unpainted for example? Or the Orc Archer's assembly issues?
I'm curious. What's the issue with the orc archer?

For all of mine the bow was bent funny. I don't know if any one else had the same problem but every one in my case did.


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Kingdom of Drakkar (Originally called Realms), came out in 1984 had troglodytes. Which were lizard people in the game. Yes I know D&D came out before that. However it was owned by TSR which were incredibly sue happy from what I've heard.

Any fan who tried to have a fan page about D&D were given a cease and desist letter. The friendlier Wizards of the Coast didn't purchase TSR until 1997. Wizards of the Coast came out with D&D 3.0 and the OGL a few years later.

That being said, the fact that TSR didn't sue anyone doesn't prove that Hasbro might not. However if you do get sued, if you can prove that they have not been protecting their intellectual property then you have a case. Still it is better to not get sued and shovel a lot of money the lawyer's way to defend yourself. So staying away from gray areas is a wise decision, let others shovel money to lawyers to defend themselves.

Now back to the real topic at hand. Rathendar, a compiled list is a great idea. The only problem with putting it on the forums is it will keep getting buried, where could it be put so it is easily accessible for all who want to use it?


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Scribbling Rambler wrote:

"Demons Revisited" is a game book with the OGL printed in it. Game books are covered under the OGL.

The rules are much less clear for products like miniatures (or the novels, or the adventure card game). Paizo has been extremely conscientious about avoiding any OGL grey areas. If they were to put out an "official translation list", it would also dip their toes into that grey area.

EDIT: At the very least, they would probably have to put the OGL on any such list.... but that may imply they would have to put them on the boxes for the minis. Better to avoid all of that.

Far better that you just ask on the boards, and somebody can give you alternate names. Also, most of the names on the minis are either proper names of creatures in the set's AP, or alternate names used in Paizo products (ex Xulgath is the Troglodytes' name for themselves).

I didn't ask for it to be put on a box or in the box. All I am asking for is a simple faq. I am not a legal expert but I would think that if they could do the same thing in Demon's Revisited, they could possibly do it in a faq. The OGL can be put in that faq if necessary.

Thanks for mentioning Xulgath, I thought that was a named Troglodyte, I didn't think it was under the OGL because I have seen it in multiple things that did not reference D&D anywhere that came out well before the OGL existed. I had no idea that was what Paizo was calling them when they were being careful of the OGL. Which only emphasizes my point of the need for a faq of "alternate names for these creatures". The faq doesn't even have to mention the miniatures, like what Demon's Revisited did.

This was just a request to make it easier to use their miniatures with their own bestiaries.


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Mazra wrote:

Creature names copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast (Hasbro) unique to the Dungeons & Dragons brand can only be used through the Open Gaming License (OGL). You can't put the OGL info on a miniature, so Wizkids must use a name not under copyrights. At least this is how I understand it.

So the name Mummy is not a copyrighted name thus no foul. But the name Balor is unique to D&D. D&D was under restraints too and could not use the copyrighted name Balrog. It was licensed by some obscure author's estate. ;)

I can understand that people have to be careful with the OGL licensed monsters, but if they can't mention it even a FAQ, how could they mention it in Demon's Revisited?

I wasn't asking them to use the copyrighted name on the miniature, I was asking them to have a quick list of "A in the bestiary can also be called B". That way people who don't happen to know that "fire demon" is another name for Balor, and "serpent demon" is another name for Marilith. That way they know what monster in the bestiary is what miniature.


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Thank you so much for slowing it down. Having a full set two months after the last set was making me really nervous about being able to keep up with my collection.

While these miniatures are way better than wizards on almost every time. There are only a couple that I prefer from their set over yours.

One request though. Some of the miniatures have a name different from the bestiary when they aren't named creatures. For instance "Fire Demon" is a Balor. "Toad Demon" is a Hezroe. "Death Demon" is a Nabasu. Unless it is a named creature, could we possibly get a FAQ or download somewhere to list the conversion to the bestiary name? I only knew what the Death Demon was because I found it in the second page of Demon's Revisited. The reason being is when I prepare for a game I search my list of miniatures to see what I have that might be appropriate. If I see an alternate name I will definitely put that in my list as well so when I search for "Balor" I will find yours and Wizard's. I would definitely use yours over Wizards. It looks much better.

Thanks

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I absolutely love this. I've been telling my PFS friends that I don't intend to run modules as PFS sactioned because I've felt the modules are not balanced well for characters built using the PFS rules, plus if I run a module I want to tweak it as I see fit.

Now I can run modules for them and those who want PFS credit can get it. This is awesome Mr Compton and Paizo team!

I know the answer is most likely "no", but I do wish we could make all the old sanctioned modules allow campaign mode too. We wouldn't need a new chronicle sheet for those if you did allow it.

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Sweet, I hope the chronicles for Jade Regent come out next/soon. I've had my group on hold for a bit because of RL stuff that has finally subsided. Now I want to wait for the chronicles to come out so we can get credit for running it before starting.


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The chronicle will most likely say 2-4 because it is a level 3 module, but if you play a pregen (which all players will), it will need to say something to negate that rule for players to apply it to a PFS character before they are level 3 (well you could apply it to a level 1 character and just get 500 gold).


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Again, the chronicle is not out yet, unless it isn't linked here yet.


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Venture captains have made mistakes. He might not have remembered that rule when he made the statement. He may be right and he may not. I am just asking for proof.


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The chronicle for We Be Goblins Too has not come out yet. We Be Goblins is not an exception because it allowed 1-2 because you played a level 1 pregen and can can apply it to a higher level character so long as it is in the level range of the module.

Also, the rules for applying a chronicle when playing a level 1 pregen is different if you read the rest of page 6 in the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized play.


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Don Walker wrote:
roger Gilbert wrote:
Any idea on the levels in society can play this one?
You play a level 3 Goblin. The Chronicle sheet may be applied to a level 2-4 PFS character.

I thought when you play a pregen you have to apply it to a character the level of the pregen (or higher so long as they are in the level range of the module) per the Pathfinder Society Guide to Organized Play 4.3 Page 6. Is this an exception? If so where can I confirm that it is an exception from Mike Brock or someone else official so I can back it up when someone challenges me in my group.

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If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. You may also opt instead to apply the credit from the non-1st-level pregenerated character played to a newly created character with the gp gained reduced to 500 gp (or 250 for characters using the slow advancement track). You do not lose access to Prestige Points, boons, and items listed on the Chronicle sheet that were earned during the adventure.


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Vic Wertz wrote:
Terek wrote:
Those blisters of 3 seemed to work real well and I liked how they were Recyclable.
It turns out they were always recyclable; they just hadn't been marking it as such.

Unfortunately, in my area we have to know what the recycle code is; the recycling companies that service my area won't recycle miscellaneous plastic (Recycle code 7).


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I love the Pathfinder minis, however I do wish they would make the Pathfinder Pawns and Pathfinder Miniatures lines spread over different AP's first so we could get a wider coverage between the two lines until finally they get caught up with the AP's on both sides.

That being said, I still plan on keeping my subscriptions to both even if they don't.

About packaging, I felt the Shattered Star was among the better packaging of their line. Those blisters of 3 seemed to work real well and I liked how they were Recyclable. It was the first line I got where I didn't have any broken miniatures.

I do feel that Wizkid's return policy I read was really bad. They don't guarantee you will get the same miniature you sent back in. I instead am going to glue the miniature back together myself once I find a really good adhesive to use on the miniatures.


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Sniggevert wrote:
trollbill wrote:
Does this shirt count as a "Pathfinder Goblin with d20" for purposes of the free reroll at PFS games?

Yes, per Mike Brock here.

Actually if you read the context of Mike Brock's post, he doesn't mention what he was saying yes to and the thread was about the Gray Maiden shirt so his answer is ambiguous but implies the Gray Maiden shirt more than it does the Goblin with a red gem shirt.

Not to mention the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play has been updated since that post including the Gray Maiden and Risen Rune shirts but has not been updated with the Goblin with a red gem shirt.

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Mike Lindner wrote:
Oh, and goblins are awesome.
Mike Lindner wrote:
Sigh. Of course I link to one of the few shirts that does not grant one a reroll.
Michael Brock wrote:
It does grant a reroll and will be included in the next iteration of the guide, along with the Risen Rune shirt.

Maybe Mike Brock was referring to the Gray Maiden shirt and not the Goblin with a Gem shirt because this has still not been put in the guide... I believe two versions have come out since he posted.

I have this goblin holding a gem shirt and told the players at my table that technically it does not give a free reroll. When I play instead of DM, I wear my Year of the Risen Rune shirt instead.

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play 4.3 Page 28 wrote:

...a player wearing any of the shirts listed below
during a Pathfinder Society event may reroll one d20
roll during the course of that scenario.
...
• Andoran faction
• Cheliax faction
• Osirion faction
• Qadira faction
• Taldor faction
• Venture-Captain polo
• Venture-Lieutenant polo
• Year of the Ruby Phoenix
• Year of the Risen Rune
• Paizo golem
• Pathfinder goblin with d20
• Pathfinder goblin song shirts (both color and black
and white)
• Gray Maiden
• Pathfinder Society-exclusive volunteer shirt

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Don Walker wrote:

Some comments:

Holding a GM credit Chronicle sheet (IE. not assigning it to a character right away) was never an option. It was never "in limbo". From the start of GM credit, the sheet had to be assigned to a character and held for that character until they could use it. A review of earlier PFS Guides will show this. There was a commonly held belief that one didn't have to assign GM credit right away, but that belief was not supported by the text of the various PFS Guides.

You are right, I looked at 4.1 and the same text is there. Mike Brock did call for a discussion on something similar to this. It might have been about whether or not the GM could delay picking his feats and building his character or not. I remember seeing some people complain about GM's saying "let me just finish this character" at the start of a scenario.

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During Season 3 you could apply it when you wanted by reason of omission per Mike Brock and he said he was going to decide whether to allow it or not and make it clear in season 4.

Now, in season 4 the character you apply it to must be specified at the end of the scenario and thus you can't delay applying it or change it.

Guide To Pathfinder Society Organized Play 4.2 Page 39 wrote:


When you choose to take a Chronicle sheet for GM credit, you must decide which of your characters receives the Chronicle sheet when you fill
out the tracking sheet for that table. You must apply Chronicle sheets in the order they are received. The only exception is when you hold a higher-tier Chronicle for a lower-tier character. In either case, you do not need to build the character until you actually play it.

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The We Be Goblins module is why I started this thread, however I've had this problem: One particular player never brought his scenario sheets so I wouldn't allow him play his character.

He's played 9 games with me DMing and I believe 2 games with another DM. All with a level 1 pregen. Most of those were before the current season too so this exact wording didn't apply. The other problem is he never brought his PFS# even though he had one. I finally got it from him. Now I am working with him to recreate his scenario sheets.

This problem has also been a headache for me, but I think finally got him to realize what he is missing by not bringing that information. I treat this guy as nice as possible all the while because my assessment of him is he needs it.

Terek

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Thank you David. As well as everyone else. I see how We Be Goblins is an exception to the rule with the rules they exclusively posted for We Be Goblins. I missed that.

With every other scenario, I don't see how you can have more than one chronicle from a level 1 pregen on a single character, excluding We Be Goblins, when it says

Guide To Pathfinder Society Organized Play Page 6 wrote:
you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own.

Emphases added.

The other level pregens say

Guide To Pathfinder Society Organized Play Page 6" wrote:
If you play a non-1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit to your character as soon as she reaches the level of the pregenerated character played. You may also opt instead to apply the credit from the non-1st-level pregenerated character played to a newly created character with the GP gained reduced to 500 GP (or 250 for characters using the slow advancement track).

With these I could see how you could argue you could have more than one applied to a level one character because it doesn't say "for her first adventure". The term "newly created character" is very vague.

You all make very good reasons why player should be allowed to play a pregen more than once and apply it to the same character but I don't see how the rules allow it. Unless I am missing something.

I am not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, just trying to make sure our group conforms to the rules as much as possible so we don't have to worry about any problems for doing it wrong. In 4.1, I don't think it was phrased this way so I believe it may have been allowed then.

Like Chris Mortika, I look forward to being proven wrong.

Thanks,
Terek

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Hello all,

We are running some tables of We Be Goblins tomorrow, and I thought I might bring this up so I can make sure people apply the chronicle sheet correctly.

In We Be Goblins, you have to play a level 1 pregen. You have no choice. However this means that everyone will be affected by the following rule:

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play 4.2 page 6 wrote:
If you play a 1st-level pregenerated character, you can apply the credit for her first adventure to a newly created character of your very own.

So, correct me if I am wrong, We Be Goblins, for players, can ONLY be applied as the first chronicle sheet to a new character.

Just want to make sure I understand this correctly.

Thanks,
Terek

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