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RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8. Pathfinder Society Member. 4,604 posts (13,198 including aliases). 1 review. 1 list. 1 wishlist. 2 Pathfinder Society characters. 23 aliases.


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Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Hey Lazaro, I have a question. Did your speech or writing change after you got the collywobbles?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Hey Lazaro, I have a question. Did your speech or writing change after you got the collywobbles?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Shinmizu wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
I play some Paizo adventures with my son and I have a daughter who likes to dress up as a knight, pick up a bright purple nerf bold shooting crossbow, and go hunting imaginary monsters. (She's 4 but she'll be playing soon.)

Haha, my daughter will be four this month. She has a foam sword and for a while when I'd have a weekly raid in WoW, she'd tell me that she would "help me fight that scary monster" on the screen and would swing the sword wildly in the air.

(She also absolutely loves saying "Hi" to everyone in the voice chat, who all respond with their greetings. Or, if we're not using voice chat, I'll tell everyone she said "Hi," and she loves to see her name on the screen as people respond in chat.)

Love it.

Nerd girls are great.

I have to be careful though that her lack of the 'princess-gene' doesn't upset her mother. Her mother keeps buying her Barbie dolls and my little nerd keeps feeding them to her dinosaurs.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Adam Daigle wrote:
dunelord3001 wrote:
Not wanting addresses or such but do you guys think the area you live changes this?
I certainly think so. Ten years ago me a three friends were hitchhiking in rural Ireland and a jeep pulls over and offers us a ride. I was surprised that the driver was a young woman by herself....picking up three young men in the middle of nowhere. I don't see that happening in the city.

When I was about 18, I was hitchhiking through the countryside and a pickup pulls up. The woman behind the wheel is about twice my age but still very attractive in her cutoff denim shorts. After finding out where I was going she says, "I'll take you all the way there, but first you have to come to my place and help me out with a little something."

She doesn't tell me what. I agree.

We get to her place and, with a wink and a smile, she takes me around back of the house and into one of the barns ...

Spoiler:
... hands me a bucket and asks me to slop the pigs and then head over to the stables and shovel them out. Fair enough.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Tarren Dei wrote:

+1. I love Paizo products. I play some Paizo adventures with my son and I have a daughter who likes to dress up as a knight, pick up a bright purple nerf bold shooting crossbow, and go hunting imaginary monsters. (She's 4 but she'll be playing soon.)

Edited for clarity.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Callous Jack wrote:
Aaron Bitman wrote:
Don't get me wrong. I'm a Paizo fan in spite of this. I intend to order a handful more Paizo products, including some Golarion books, soon. I don't mean to imply that Burnt Offerings, the Pathfinder Campaign Setting, etc. were bad; on the contrary, I loved them. But they're just not right for certain audiences.
I completely agree. I love Paizo's products but some of their stuff is not something I would share with children. I would love to see a couple products made with young kids in mind.

+1. I love Paizo products. I play some Paizo adventures with my son and I have a daughter who likes to dress up as a knight, pick up a crossbow, and go hunting. (She's 4 but she'll be playing soon.)

There are some Paizo products I won't share with them. That's fine. I have no problem with that.

I hope though that if Paizo decides to make a Pathfinder Basic set that they keep younger audiences in mind for that line.

I thought "Into the Haunted Forest" was a really good one for younger players. I don't recall any more mature players complaining that it lacked anything.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

darkling23 wrote:
I'm new to posting here, but quite dig the Pathfinder system and game world. My submission is in, hooray for community content!

Welcome to the boards. Ottawa, eh?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Wow. Just read the Code of Ethics.

It seems like Paizo has taken each and every point and deliberately chosen to give more nuanced and much more interesting take.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Ashe Ravenheart wrote:

I appreciate the situations that Aaron and others are in regarding mature themes in their games, but I'd rather NOT see any editing go on with the games. Maybe a little sticker on it saying "Warning! Mature themes present!", but don't change the game at all.

After all, we *do* live in a world where there are video games that are made specifically for adults, don't we?

I can understand where Aaron's coming from. There are some Paizo products that I would not share with my son but I certainly enjoy them myself. I'm still hoping for a Pathfinder Red Box/Book that is slightly more conservative so that I could be more comfortable giving him a shot at DMing.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Mairkurion {tm} wrote:
Speaking as someone who finished his dissertation a couple of years late, hoo-ray for the late guys! Here's to skewering the blasted hares of this life.

Defended yet?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Emperor7 wrote:
You dismiss the labor and knowledge involved because it is not your own. Liken it to the sweat equity one performs on a house to increase its value. It does have a real value. The tomatoe example has no value to you so you mock it. Yet you pretend that you want to understand another's mindset. That is the real mockery. Sadly, I'm not the least surprised to see it appear in this thread.

Are you talking about my post?

Why not be specific in your criticisms?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Steven Tindall wrote:


we may disagree about methods of acheiveing the goal but the goal is the same, to lower the cost of health care in order to make it more available to more americans.

Up thread, it was suggested that the promotion of good health could reduce the costs of health care.

Rural towns, already suffering from the rural-to-urban brain drain could benefit, if they were able to argue for the health benefits of fresh air, fresh food, space to play and exercise, lakes, mountains, etc.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Steven Tindall wrote:
Moff Rimmer wrote:
Emperor7 wrote:

The argument aginst them is that they won't raise enough money to 'fix' the system in its entirety so why bother? I ask why the heck not?

There are other things that could be fixed but they too get ignored because they're not big enough. Why? *sigh*

Sometimes I feel like we're not actually addressing the problem. Aubrey pointed to what really seems to be the problem -- the actual cost of our health care. We're talking about taxing the people to cover this. We're talking about the government paying for it. But we're not actually talking about reducing the cost of health care. Having the government pay for this won't change this fact. And (in theory) the money that they would need to raise to pay for this would need to come from somewhere. The cost needs to be addressed first.

So, for me, it's not so much "why bother?", but more "why are we addressing the symptom rather than the problem?" It feels like we're applying a band-aid to fix a heart attack.

+1 Well said sir.

we may disagree about methods of acheiveing the goal but the goal is the same, to lower the cost of health care in order to make it more available to more americans.

Some of my ESL students who were doctors in their home countries have told me that it is easier for them to become recertified in the US than it is in Canada. That should help the American system. Is that true to your knowledge?

We lost our favourite pediatrician because she left for the US. She was officially only a nurse here, but our family doctor deferred to her on any health issues related to our daughter because she had worked as a pediatrician in Poland. She was just excellent.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Bitter Thorn wrote:
Mothman wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Mothman wrote:

I just feel sorry for that poor family, fallen on hard times, who live a few blocks away from Doug. They’d love some tomatoes. It’s a pity they can’t afford them, what with dad being out of a job thanks to the economic crisis, mom working minimum wage, and that extra kid that they didn’t plan for and can’t really afford (but love dearly nonetheless). They walk past every day, looking with envy through the fence at Doug’s tomato patch (they’re careful not to look too long or hard, lest Doug call the private security company on them, given his justifiable paranoia after some of the other neighbours decided to steal some of his tomatoes).

So they look longingly at Doug’s tomatoes, but they know they’ll never have them. I mean, its only fair, Doug worked hard to grow those tomatoes, he’s not at fault that the family down the road doesn’t have the yard space or the time or money to grow their own tomatoes. But still … they’d settle even for some small, slightly over-ripe tomatoes, like the ones that Doug throws straight on the compost heap, if only they could afford them. Splurging on tomatoes though, would keep bread and milk off the table for a week.

Why, oh why, can’t everyone just have some tomatoes?

Sorry, this is the thread about tomatoes isn’t it?

Doug would probably be happy to share his tomatoes with his neighbors if no one is is stealing them or pointing a gun at him, but if they are just going to steal them or extort them why should he grow any tomatoes at all? Now no one has any tomatoes unless the government puts a gun to his children's head and forces you to grow tomatoes.

Wow! Your system is totally superior to freedom. How could we have been so stupid?

Psst, Bitter guy, I gotta tell you, I just heard this thread isn't about tomatoes after all. We better stop talking about tomatoes or we might end up looking stupid. Nah, don't worry about it, this one's on me.

Oh, and it's not about guns either.

...

The tomatoes made perfect sense to me. I disagree with Bitter Thorn, but I understood him.

It's just, I've got a lot of cucumbers and I live very far away from Bitter Thorn. I'd like to be able to engage in some kind of exchange, so that we can make a salad. In order to do that, however, I have to be able to ensure that my cucumbers reach him. I've hired a cousin to drive my pickup to BT's place to deliver the cucumbers and pick up the tomatoes.

Unfortunately, as we live in a perfect world completely free of government, I have no postal service through which to contact him, no roads to drive the truck on, no police to ensure those roads we don't have are safe, no health care to keep those working at the rest stops healthy and strong, etc.

I abhor government inefficiency but I still value government.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Doug's Workshop wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
Doug's Workshop wrote:
If I spend my entire working life making $7/hour (@40 hours per week, that equates to $1750 per year into a retirement account when you take out 2 weeks for unpaid vacation/sick time, etc), I would have over $2 million by the time I retire. Not bad, eh? But our wonderful Social Security system will pay (at most) $675/month, or just over $8000/year in 2010. You'd have to live 250...

How do you figure that? I came up with 411410.38 and that is assuming that you are 40 years from retirement, that your wage (and savings) increases at 4% per year and your retirement account grows at 5% per year. Of course, given this steady inflation, that 400k isn't going to last you very long ... about 4 years if you try to maintain your pre-retirement standard of living.

* Note to self: increase retirement savings *

Doug's Workshop wrote:
The stock market has returned 10% over the past 85 years. 50 years of work (age 18 +50 = 68). Someone who manages his whole life to earn no more than $7/hr didn't go to college.

I think that the 10% is unadjusted for inflation.

Doug's Workshop wrote:
But let's say your $411k is right. That still means one has to live for 50 years to collect the same amount from Social Security. Not too many 120 year olds running around. And if you were earning $7/hr your entire life, it's really doubtful that you took that great care of yourself anyways.

Again, you're not adjusting for inflation. $8000 in 2010 does not equal $8000 in 2060. The amount that social security pays will have to increase accordingly (if the system doesn't go bankrupt first.)

I agree with you, however, that many of us would do better if we could invest that money in our own retirement without government help. (Of course, we'd be retiring to a bleak dystopian future where old people without our investment savvy mug teenagers for their lunch money but hey.) My problem with what you are saying is that you are grossly underestimating the amount that a young person should be putting away.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I compliment people all the time. I wonder if that's why I get so much free stuff. I don't do it for the free stuff though ...

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Doug's Workshop wrote:
If I spend my entire working life making $7/hour (@40 hours per week, that equates to $1750 per year into a retirement account when you take out 2 weeks for unpaid vacation/sick time, etc), I would have over $2 million by the time I retire. Not bad, eh? But our wonderful Social Security system will pay (at most) $675/month, or just over $8000/year in 2010. You'd have to live 250...

How do you figure that? I came up with 411410.38 and that is assuming that you are 40 years from retirement, that your wage (and savings) increases at 4% per year and your retirement account grows at 5% per year. Of course, given this steady inflation, that 400k isn't going to last you very long ... about 4 years if you try to maintain your pre-retirement standard of living.

* Note to self: increase retirement savings *

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Aberzombie wrote:
Mmmmm....eyecandy.

You guys are sick.

Qadira aka Tarren Dei (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Craig Clark wrote:
Trevor Gulliver wrote:

Paizo is quite clearly referring to the average size of the contestants. I don't know about you, Neil, but I found stripping down for the Round 3 weigh-in to be quite embarrassing.

HA. Thanks for the laugh!

It's not funny! SRK took photos!!

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Enevhar Aldarion wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
Joshua J. Frost wrote:

Retiring Scenarios

Over the next several years the 3.5 scenarios from Season 0 will either be retired or converted to Pathfinder RPG (time permitting). We will always give a one-month warning of an impending retirement meaning you have four weeks to purchase, play, and report that scenario as official play. Once the scenario is retired, though, it is no longer legal for play, will no longer be purchasable, and will be removed entirely from the reporting system meaning you can no longer legally apply it to your character.
Should scenarios due to be retired at the end of this month be clearly marked as such? I'd be ticked if I bought something on the 28th to find out I couldn't play it. At the same time, I might want to grab some before they're gone to run as unofficial PbPs.
I believe it was stated in another thread not in the PFS section that all scenarios being retired will be clearly marked as that in the Paizo store. What you quoted was also apparently changed, again according to the other thread that I can't find right now, that they will still be for sale, just that you can no longer get any credit for them once they are retired.

Is #10: Blood at Dralkard Manor still going to be retired in a couple of weeks? It isn't marked as such. Good news about the still available for purchase though.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Joshua J. Frost wrote:

Retiring Scenarios

Over the next several years the 3.5 scenarios from Season 0 will either be retired or converted to Pathfinder RPG (time permitting). We will always give a one-month warning of an impending retirement meaning you have four weeks to purchase, play, and report that scenario as official play. Once the scenario is retired, though, it is no longer legal for play, will no longer be purchasable, and will be removed entirely from the reporting system meaning you can no longer legally apply it to your character.

Should scenarios due to be retired at the end of this month be clearly marked as such? I'd be ticked if I bought something on the 28th to find out I couldn't play it. At the same time, I might want to grab some before they're gone to run as unofficial PbPs.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Sara Marie wrote:
I think it's okay to appreciate the way some one looks, just make sure you don't lose touch of the fact that they are still a person. I have had male coworkers (and even some management) in the past who treated me as eye-candy instead of a person and it is really demeaning and uncomfortable. I have also had male coworkers in the past who were able to express appreciation for both my appearance AND my opinions. The tricky part is that human communication varies widely between individuals and what is ok with some one is not ok with others. In the workplace, its really best to err on the side of caution.

But it's okay if I leer at your avatar, right?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

We'd all love to get gaming stuff but is there any way to get it into the hands of future would-be gamers?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I'm looking to get a Pathfinder Society game in while I'm in Montreal on
29 May or May 30 2010. Any ideas?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I just improv it depending on the context. If the fumble occurs on a flight of stairs, fumbler falls down the stairs. If the fumble occurs with a centuries old bow in the hands of an undead mummy, fumbler breaks the bow string. If the fumble occurs while throwing a tanglefoot bag, bag pops in fumbler's hand. I try to make it more humiliating than deadly and will usually choose an effect that leads to strategizing and roleplaying not a TPK.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Can't wait for a couple of hours to sit and watch these. Thanks, Doug.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Caedwyr wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Ah, someone is spamming up his post count...

There is a post count tracker at the Paizo boards? Where can I find it? Do I get any sorts of level ups or new editing abilities?

Ask Heathy.

Qadira aka Tarren Dei (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Tarakyan wrote:
Wow...don't you people have some gaming to do?

You're new here, so we'll let that one slide. ;-)

Welcome to the boards, Tarakyan.

Qadira aka Tarren Dei (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Paizo is quite clearly referring to the average size of the contestants. I don't know about you, Neil, but I found stripping down for the Round 3 weigh-in to be quite embarrassing.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

LazarX wrote:
A subject that's not fully objective such as history where grading is frequently essay weighted, could give the student the sense that his grade depends on chiming with the opinion of his mentor.

Teachers should be very clear about how they will assess writing and make it clear that students are expected to voice their own opinions. They should model how opinions are formed and developed. Certainly, only the worst kind of teacher would lead students to believe that you will get more marks for agreeing poorly than disagreeing well.

LazarX wrote:
A teacher must give freely of his mind, but should open her heart sparingly and with caution.

The more clearly and carefully a teacher expresses her opinions, the more developed and nuanced those opinions will be.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Stop looking at me like I'm a piece of meat, Joela!

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:

I would rather see a teacher who can discuss their views of Iraq, give reasons for their views, introduce the views of others, and help students feel comfortable disagreeing with them.

In fact, looking at American news media and political culture, it seems teachers need to take on the role of demonstrating civil discourse because politicians and pundits aren't going to do it.

From where, in America today, are children going to learn that you and I can disagree and it doesn't mean that you're an a*@#%!%?

Oh, shut up, you son of a *****.

;)

And I agree. I'm just saying that they need to present the facts, and then give their opinion. Give both sides of the issue beforehand.

Stop being such a ****.

And, I agree. I think we are arguing the same thing from different perspectives.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I would rather see a teacher who can discuss their views of Iraq, give reasons for their views, introduce the views of others, and help students feel comfortable disagreeing with them.

In fact, looking at American news media and political culture, it seems teachers need to take on the role of demonstrating civil discourse because politicians and pundits aren't going to do it.

From where, in America today, are children going to learn that you and I can disagree and it doesn't mean that you're an a#~&%*&?

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
Kobold Cleaver wrote:
A history teacher isn't there to teach the kids debate tactics. They're there to teach them history. If, after giving the kids the facts, they wish to engage in a debate or suchwhat, so be it.
I imagine that would depend on what state you are in. Here in Quebec, all teachers in all classes are expected to teach students to exercise critical judgement, take and articulate stances, communicate appropriately, etc. So, yes, in this province, a history teacher should be having students debate history. It's a part of the job.

As I said. But first, it's only fair to give the students the facts as clearly as possible. Then let them make their opinion.

Showing your opinion purposefully while providing the information will taint what the kids receive. Whatever happened to unbiased media?*
Also, note that since it's a matter of opinion, encouraging teachers to openly display their opinions on historical information opens the door to teachers speaking in favor of, say, Hitler. And then you get complaints, and the teachers protest that they have the right to their opinion (and in my opinion they would be right)and it's a whole big mess.
*Scratch that question. :/

Please report yourself to the Godwin thread.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Kobold Cleaver wrote:
A history teacher isn't there to teach the kids debate tactics. They're there to teach them history. If, after giving the kids the facts, they wish to engage in a debate or suchwhat, so be it.

I imagine that would depend on what state you are in. Here in Quebec, all teachers in all classes are expected to teach students to exercise critical judgement, take and articulate stances, communicate appropriately, etc. So, yes, in this province, a history teacher should be having students debate history. It's a part of the job.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

LazarX wrote:

But if you want your students to develop thier own moral sense instead of putting your judgement as lesson material, I feel that you'd do them more of a service to explore with them the culture, the history, and the psychology and let them come to their own conclusions. Why would a culture perform such acts? Why would an otherwise civilised people put millions of Jews and non Jews in gas chambers and tortue camps? Why did the United States export thousands of it's own citizens to concentration camps during World War 2 for nothing but the crime of Japanese ancestry? Or why did the Crusaders feel justified in locking people in thier temples in the Holy Land and burning them alive. (and it was considered a proper Christian act in revenge for the crucifixtion of Jesus)

It's easy to hand down moral pronouncements from a position of authority. The harder thing is to encourage students to develop thier own sense of self-examination.

Sure. But that's not demonstrating 'neutrality' which is what Wicht was calling foolishness. A teacher who claims to be neutral is doing students a disservice twice: (1) suggesting that an objective, unbiased position is possible and (2) not modelling the communicative skills needed to clearly articulate and defend a moral opinion.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Wicht wrote:
For my part, I respect teachers who are willing to admit their biases from the beginning and who are likewise willing to tell me what they think without telling me what I should think. I think such a practice is more practical and worthwhile than trying to pursue some nebulous neutrality which is itself often a non-neutral, sometimes-thinly-veiled hostility.

+1

A teacher who tells you what they think and then very clearly and honestly explains how they arrived at that conclusion enables students to articulate their own views in ways that a teacher claiming a neutral stance simply can't. Even if the teacher were truly neutral, they would not help students to learn how to articulate their beliefs. Teachers need to take and communicate stances and do so respectfully and honestly.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Xpltvdeleted wrote:
I said if it is going to be taught in schools the curricula should be inclusive of all religions and should be neutral.
Xpltvdeleted wrote:
I am saying that i also would not have any problem with a class solely about a religion (as an elective) being taught if equal time was given to each adn every religion.

There's a difference between being inclusive and giving equal time. When I teach an introductory course on linguistics, I don't give equal time to all languages because we would end up spending so much time discussing languages that we never would be able to discuss Language.

Is there a difference between teaching Religion and teaching religions? I'm not sure if I understand your vision of what a religion class would look like. I would teach it as a class about what Religion is and how it influences human belief systems and ethics and then, as a teacher, I would draw examples from particular religions. In this case, it isn't necessary that we learn, for example, what every religion says about the death penalty (or some other moral issue), but that we look at how people who share the same religious perspective could have widely varying views on the death penalty. Then, we would help the students to articulate their own ethical views on the subject and discuss how they come to form them.

I wouldn't want my children to go to a school in which they are taught specific religions. (I don't trust teachers with something so important.) I do want them to learn about Religion just as I want them to learn about society and politics.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Wicht wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:


I find my son comes home from school hearing the same view of the world he encounters on TV. Encouraging him to critique and challenge and question ends up being the job of the parent. Schools aren't designed for that.
While I think my political and religious views are correct, and I naturally want my children to come to the same conclusions I did, indoctrination of any sort produces weak thinkers. I have no illusions about the fact that my kids are exposed primarily to my own worldveiw but my goal is not to simply tell them what they should believe but to teach them how to reach a conclusion. I don't hesitate to tell them what I think but I strive to make sure, when I can, to try and explain why others might have different veiws. Ideally, my teaching style is not to give an answer but to try and run through the process of obtaining an answer. Thats true in math, science, and theology. I think where a lot of study programs break down is they don't teach the process so much as they teach the result of the process. It is more useful to know why 2 and 2 makes 4 than it is to know the fact that 2 and 2 is four.

I agree, and the official curriculum documents here in Quebec agree. My experience, however, is that schools and teachers tend to reproduce society as teachers are afraid of being actively political. I keep telling my students that avoiding questioning the status quo IS a political stance but they look at me funny when I say it.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Xpltvdeleted wrote:
Wicht wrote:
So yesterday I had my sons reading on Martin Luther, John Calvin and Zwengli, none of whom I totally agree with doctrinally. They have read science material written by both creationists and evolutionists. It is my belief that to be well educated it is necessary to know both sides of an argument. I take it you would prefer I didn't let them study religion until they are twenty, or twenty-two perhaps? What is, in your opinion, the proper age to expose a mind to the idea of a spiritual side of life.
Then i commend you on being one of the homeschoolers who actually gives their children a proper ("secular" if you will) education rather than a theology lesson every day.

How many of your teachers in public school openly challenged the two dominant faiths of the modern age: consumerism and banal nationalism? You may be able to think of a handful but what would that be as a percentage of the number of teachers who have taught you?

I find my son comes home from school hearing the same view of the world he encounters on TV. Encouraging him to critique and challenge and question ends up being the job of the parent. Schools aren't designed for that.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I'm white.

1. Pawn@C2 to C4 ...

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Wicht wrote:
We have some families very big into organic foods. Others are heavily into music and the arts. Mine is big into gaming and books. Several are highly distrustful of the state when it comes to maintaining our rights and freedoms, others less so. Even religiously we represent a fairly broad swathe. We have Catholics, Baptists, 7th day adventists, Jewish-christians,...

Religiously, that sounds more diverse than my son's current classroom in which he is the only non-Catholic.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Billzabub wrote:
Hey, Neil, I saw a recruitment thread for a Fellnight Queen pbp if you're interested in joining. ;) Of course, I think you should run it as a pbp, too.

Hmmm, maybe I'll kill everyone off in my PbPs and run a Fellnight one. ;-)

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Bill Dunn wrote:
Steven Tindall wrote:


I think germany's law is unfair and as far as them worrying about "sects" in there country, we have the same problem here and we allow homeschooling so I fail to see their overly concerned argument there.

It's fair in the sense that everyone, in Germany, deals with the same expectations. I'd only say it's unfair in comparison to a system that's a bit more flexible, like here in the US.

But I think you're really making light of the German concerns. While it's all increasingly distant history, I think they pretty much owe it to the rest of us to be highly concerned about centrifugal social forces.

I don't understand the argument.

Insisting that all students be educated in schools allows the state access to children's minds supports the spread of nationalist ideologies. Public schools have always been about building nations and imparting a sense of nationalism. That's one of their primary roles and purposes and its one of the reason that alternatives (such as homeschooling) are so threatening to some people.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Lilith wrote:

One week to deadline and...

...I expected more out of you guys, really. I expected my inbox to be OVERFLOWING with submissions, enough to make me weep that there were only 24 hours in a day to sort through them. This is your chance to get your brain squeezings in PRINT! Don't have an Absalom article? That's fine - we want Golarion, and here's your chance to stake a flag and write what the Paizo peeps have inspired you to!

Get to it folks! :P

Neil, Jonathan, and I have something on the way. It takes a little more time because we collaborate a great deal.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

I have only gone to a movie theater once* in the last 9 years (since I had my first child).

* to see Star Wars: Episode 1.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Xpltvdeleted wrote:
I admittedly haven't read the full thread, but this jumped out at me. While a homeschooled student may perform better academically, where do they stand socially? Public and private schools unofficially teach interpersonal skills, a respect for diversity, and allow kids to do what they're supposed to do: grow up. Even if a homeschooler goes out of their way to attempt to do this, the fact remains that it will be damn-near impossible to "expose" their children to 30 kids per class 5 times/day.

Public and private schools officially teach interpersonal skills, a respect for diversity, and allow kids to do what they're supposed to do: grow up. Unofficially, they teach normative behaviour through turning a blind eye to physical and verbal abuse that goes on between children and that regularly undermines children's self-esteem.

Sorry, but I'll wait for some facts on this one before I consider concerns about socialization to be a strike against homeschooling.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

the Stick wrote:

<snipping for length throughout>

-- I learned to present almost pedantically, so that nearly everyone could follow along, even past the famed 40-minute snooze mark.
-- Teaching a huge class taught me that there are at least three primary ways in which different students learn material in a lecture. I was amazed to see differnet sections of students nod in understanding or go cross-eyed in confusion, depending on how I presented the material. From that, I try to make sure I have a balance in the way I present.
-- I also tend to go a little slower (in lower-level courses) than my peers, valuing comprehension and critical thought over rote memorization of vast swathes of information. If I can get students thinking, I can get them learning.
-- I have also interacted with the education department while improving my class. I had started taking advantage of online suites to assign (and grade) homework. The education department ran a week-long program to assist in using online tools to best help students. Most of the time, we worked well together, since the ultimate goal was serving students.
-- Perhaps one of the ways I do get some of my students to think critically is to use real-world examples where people are faced with decisions and show how the scientific method can be applied - whether it's buying food, taking a driver's exam, or whatever.

These all sound like great ways to help your students gain a deeper level of understanding than many lectures promote. The students who enjoyed your lectures would probably make better teachers because of this experience. How many students in these lectures?

One problem that one of my teacher ed. students have pointed out to me though is that there subject specific classes are often lectures with hundreds of students. They need to be able to present the information in high school classes of 20-30 students with an expectation that the lessons involve more interaction. Do education majors get the chance to be more hands-on in any of the science classes at your institution?

The student who pointed this out to me made the comment that he could learn a variety of teaching techniques in his education classes but had difficulty applying those to his subject area because he didn't get to see science taught in that way. I told him to stop being lazy and do the intellectual work required to make the translation but I say that a lot because I'm a hardass.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Rather than taking the easy way out and blaming teachers for the problems with schools -- which strikes me as kind of like blaming your accountant for your high taxes or your lawyer for your drug abuse conviction: it may be their fault but there are other factors to consider -- perhaps there is something about the institution of 'school' that makes it a problem.

Schools are slow to recognize that sitting in chairs for long periods of times is bad for your health and mental development. Ironically, most people would agree that sitting in front of the TV for hours and hours is bad for young people because they need to move around and be engaged.

Schools are one of the few places where one person can physically assault another and it is seldom treated as a police matter. We don't even call it assault, we call it 'bullying' and treat it as an unfortunate aspect of schools.

Schools are political footballs in an impromptu game at recess -- everyone kicks them one direction or another but no one seems to have a clear sense of where the goals are.

Schools are made responsible for students' performance even when statistical evidence demonstrate that a wide range of factors influence this performance.

Schools operate under the premise that building four walls around a child to shut the world out is the best way for them to learn about it.

Schools assume that learning can be compartmentalized in subjects, in classes, in semesters, in units, in lesson plans. They assume that learning happens between two bells and can be measured on weekly quizzes.

Schools are becoming measured by students' test scores despite the lack of evidence that these test scores demonstrate students' ability to apply knowledge in meaningful ways.

Most of us can't even imagine a school without chairs and desks and walls or imagine a school where every child retained all their legal and ethical rights. Most people, teachers included, don't find it objectionable that schools are tasked with reproducing society, but then are blamed when test scores reflect the failings of that society. Most people find it easier to say that students failed the test rather than that a test failed the students but tests fail probably more often than students do.

Qadira (RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8)

Shinmizu wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
Shinmizu wrote:
Oh, you sciency types with your love of anecdotal evidence and intuitive leaps. ;-)
In the thirteen years I've been teaching teachers, I've found *snip*
Works both ways, bub. *snikt* Ouch, that hurts.

Yes, but I wasn't arguing teachers are not in fact dumb. My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours, so we'll need some hard data. Anyone have admissions records to back them up? (I don't.)

Shinmizu wrote:
Tarren Dei wrote:
I'm surprised that you don't see these idiots in your classes in other fields, because I have.
I never said I didn't. Reading my text, you'd see that it's a matter of proportion. Education majors (along with aviation sciences, drama, and leisure studies) tend to be weighted towards the lower end of student quality in most major aspects: diligence, punctuality, honesty, attentiveness, etc. Business was a crapshoot. DHM (Design, Housing, and Merchandising, frequently derided as "fashion majors") and HES (Human Environment Sciences [aka "home ec"]) actually tended towards the top, along with history and music majors. The rest were fairly varied over the years, as would be expected.

Are aviation sciences students going to be flying planes, because this concerns me!

I've taught fashion majors and dance majors. I've been impressed with how hard they worked when you made it clear that you weren't going to underestimate them. I've only taught a few leisure studies majors and they were smart but a bit relaxed. Couldn't quite figure them out.

Shinmizu wrote:
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Still, it strikes me as a bit lazy to argue that "school is dumb because teachers are stupid." I made that argument in grade 9 and I realized it was immature even then.
A person who is at best ignorant and indifferent to a subject, and at worst fearful and uncertain in the very subject they're teaching should not be in a teaching position. Students pick up far more than what is said aloud; teaching requires being an example.

Well, most education majors won't end up in teaching positions, so perhaps that will sort itself out. The best evidence for any lack of intelligence on the part of education majors would be the challenge many of them are going to face finding jobs in neighborhoods they'd want to work after graduation.

My point is ... (cont.)

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