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So ... did anyone of import actually answer the original question asked? Lots off topic stuff here.

Not a major stickler about it but come on.

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My only objection is that I have to wait another 2+ months for it to come out.

Not to mention the wait I have to do for the hardcovers of the game and full bestiary.

ho hum .... (sigh)

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Oh come on ... fey? Creepy little wee folk in Sandpoint ... they be Goblins again.

Come on sing the song guys!

Goblins chew and goblins bite.
Goblins cut and goblins fight.
Stab the dog and cut the horse,
Goblins eat and take by force.

Hmmmm why is it I only hear my own voice with this ... oh well

Goblins race and goblins jump.
Goblins slash and goblins bump.
Burn te skin and mash the head,
Goblins here and you be dead!

Chase the baby, catch the pup.
Bonk the head to shut it up.
Bones be cracked, flesh be stewed,
We be Goblins! YOU BE FOOD!!!!!!

Man I loved that when I ran my first group through the Rise of the Runelords. Now that I have moved, I am going to run a new group through it all over again ... ahhh the song is so sweet to mine ears ...

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Can anyone verify what i am asking ... perferable one of the from the design team .... since it is there words or a copy form WotC.

The conflict is the wording at will and the # in the table for 0-level spells per day for wizards and other arcane casters.

bards and sorcerers due not have a 0-level amount in a table so this sounds like I can cast the known 0-level spells I know all day long every round if need be.

Unlike the wizard whom has a set number allowed to cast per day.

Is this correct or should there be a new wording or table reconfigured?

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That's all and good but the tables then don't coincide with the description.

I can understand the wizard one ... though the term at will should not be used in thier discription.

Sorcerer table for spells per day excludes the cantrips:

Level Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
1st +0 +0 +0 +2 3 — — — — — — — —

that is the table almost exact minus the special list

here is the bards:

Level Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th
1st +0 +0 +2 +2 1 — — — — —

so this tells me that i can cast cantrips all day unlike the wizard?

Is that a correct assumption?

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Not sure where to add this so I went here.

I have a confusion about CANTRIPS for the different arcane classes.

It talks about at will spell casting and then talks about how many 0-level spells that can be cast.

The Sorcerer is the only one that does not have a base 0-level cast per day to go along with the at will description.

Here is what I copied from the beta:

Sorcerer
Cantrips (Sp): Sorcerers know a number of cantrips.
They can cast these spells at will as a spell-like ability. The
number of cantrips a sorcerer knows is noted on Table 4–13
under 0-level spells known. Cantrips are treated like any
other spell cast by the sorcerer in terms of duration and
other variables based on level.

Wizard
Cantrips (Sp): Wizards can prepare a number of
cantrips, or 0-level spells, each day. They can cast these
spells at will as a spell-like ability. The number of
cantrips a wizard can prepare each day is noted on Table
4–14 under “Spells per Day.” Cantrips are treated like any
other spell cast by the wizard in terms of duration and
other variables based on level.

Bard
Cantrips (Sp): A bard knows a number of cantrips. He
can cast these spells at will as a spell-like ability. The
number of cantrips a bard knows is noted on
Table 4–4 under 0 level spells known. Cantrips
are treated like any other spell cast by the
bard in terms of duration and other variables
based on level.

Is there a difference or how is this suppose to work for the game mechanics. Please advise.

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Well it now August 16th and they still say backorder ... and the pathfinder beta is out ... so do you know when these are suppose to be available for purchase?