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So much I want to respond to! I'm on a phone, so keeping it short: from the names, it seems you're using the most recent translations. Is that presence, following the "proper" translation, more recent exposure, or more exposure in general to those translations?

Also: PS1; PSP; or iDevice/Android? Which did you play it on? Any? All?


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Freehold, EO, please! Let's be reasonable! Let's not bicker and argue about which device is better or functions or is plugged in at the moment or is not plugged in or who's planning or plotting the downfall or overthrow of whom; instead can we just all agree to get TL a new set of tires and/or his own self-sustaining "take care of his car" fund? I think that's a much better idea!

(Nothing in particular happened, I just want a new tires that won't instantly tell me they're low on tire pressure with every little weather change. Also, I like having money to take care of things. Money's annoying, actually, but it's frustratingly useful...)


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Or, as noted earlier, piles up lots of bad karma, but, using the variant rules, then uses three protection from evil spells (or even an equivalent number of P.f.E. spells to the evil he did, negating said bad karma). With such a method, he doesn't even have to wait - "just keep spamming; spamming spamming spamming" goes the Dory-caster song!

(But holy aura and/or atonement is likely to be far more effective. Bedside relentence and all.)


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Uncle Walt Disney, is leering creepily in his grave.

Oh my word, man! Are you BuzzFeed?!

How did you get-

Okay, my dude, look, I love you, but off the top of my head:

- Cinderbella Confirmed! Girls just wanna have pun, after all
- #DisneyShipNowCanon <-just imagine the clickbait!
- Rainbows is Magic built in audience x2
- Breaking News: Two Princesses escape abusive prison-like relationships to discover true love! More traditional headline
- #LooksLikeBeastWasn'tSoCharming see, it's a stretch, but it kind of works as s double pun as it references both of the princes at once; hey, I told you these were off the top of my head

Season/edit to taste. Wow, my dude. Wow. I did not get what you were linking at all.

(I kind of thought it was one of those very weird online "sexy Disney princess zombie" - they are not sexy, they are hideous; no, Internet, putting something rotting in that pose/clothes/whatever doesn't make it look less disgusting, but maybe that's the point; I don't even know with you anymore - things you see crop up every once in a while in unrelated image searches. It first started when I was looking up stuff for Carrin Crown, so that's appropriate, at least, but now it just keeps recurring. EDIT: oh, and it especially gets problematic in the fall, though not just Disney stuff. Anyone else have that problem, or is that just me?)


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Cool beans!

In which case: baron, you should choose better titles, my friend... ;p


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Cap'n Yesterday, FaWtL Tourism wrote:
Productive!?! This is FaWtL good sir! Nothing productive is ever produced here!

False.

Example: productive good will and happiness is generated by virtue of knowing that one of my friends has posted! Hi!

EDIT: counter example: random nudity. Sigh. *gets re-dressed*


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Sharoth wrote:
baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Uncle Walt Disney, is leering creepily in his grave.
I am too! Leering that is! Not in my grave though.

Hey! I have no idea what's on the other side of that ("leering" makes me "leery" of links), but ain't nothing wrong with being in or out of your grave!

#undeadarepeopletoo


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
The first time and the last time.

D'aww.


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
You're telling me, in all those years, I could have taken this for college credits?

This isn't a very good college course. The obvious bias of the professor and/or require materials shows through...


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baron arem heshvaun wrote:
A beautiful day for a beautiful lady.

This... is... wonderful...


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That's terrible!

I hope he gets better and the rest of you manage to avoid the gift that keeps on giving! Because otherwise it'll keep on giving! :/


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Renkosuke wrote:
Samurai Jack is getting a new season this year! How do you feel about that?
Tacticslion wrote:
Mark Seifter wrote:
And woo, I have traveled through the past and reached the present. All caught up!
Samurai Jack Seifter!

:D


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Nicos wrote:

- More mesmorable characters you have played

- most memorable characters you have seen when DMing.
Tacticslion wrote:


- least memorable characters you have played
- least memorable characters you have seen when GMing

>.>

Heh.

Nicos wrote:
if he can remember them then they were not so un-memorable.

... hence the the shifty look and the "heh."

But we shall see what he comes up with... oh! He did. :D

Tacticslion wrote:

- least memorable characters you have played
- least memorable characters you have seen when GMing

>.>

Heh.

DungeonmasterCal wrote:

The Least Memorable was a Half Succubus Half Human assassin my DM rolled up as the daughter of my Anti-Paladin in 1e. I never liked the character and only played her when it was necessary to advance the story arc he was developing.

The least memorable I've seen played.. hmmm...This guy played once game with my group after being invited by another player. He was very evasive as to what class he was playing, nothing on his sheet gave much indication, either. It might have been a fighter. What I remember most about him was he had a deep metal canister lid (like the kind popcorn comes in around Christmas) and he rolled his dice in in. Every roll he'd shout, "Critical Success!". I finally called the game off and told my friend who'd brought him to take him home.

Heh. So I guess the latter was more of a memorable character rather than having a memorable character?

I used to have a "baby dice" (tiny d20) that bounced like crazy and - almost regardless of what I would do - usually rolled off the table and seemed to very often landed on a 20 while on the floor - and if not a 20, then consistently high (though it was more often with social rolls than non-social rolls). None of them could get similar results (except the bouncing wildly and dropping off the table), and I freely volunteered to let others look for me, if they wanted (which they rarely took me up on, but generally bore out my statements). Irritated the daylights out of my fellow players, but at the time I was a broke college student and due to various reasons, that was literally the only dice set that I had (and only d20), and I just couldn't afford to buy a new set.

Did you ever have a weird set of dice like that?


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Mark Seifter wrote:
And woo, I have traveled through the past and reached the present. All caught up!

Samurai Jack Seifter!


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So Black Butler is an anime series on Netflix. I have seen the first episode. Huh.


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I think I have miscommunication something significant.

Tape, not belt. I am still a white belt.

The tape tests are small tests that demonstrate very minor competencies within a give belt's broader competency range.

The tapes have so far included:
- yellow: basic punch, double, triple, and several other hand moves and combination blocks
- green: for the youngest kids some blocks and punches; for the older kids (and me) a basic H form of punches with low block turns
- red: two different combination sets of kicks
- brown: severel korean terms and a greeting in Korean (hence struggling with dyslexia)
- blue: breaking boards with hands and feet

I was once a green belt. That was twenty years (at least) and three martial arts styles ago. I am not a green belt any more. If he had offered me that, I would have requested a white belt to work my way up again.

I am not ready to take any test related to any belt of any color - even yellow.

Thanks for thinking that well of me, but no.

And a tape is exactly what it sounds like: a piece of tape attached to your belt of a particular color.

For the curious, even if my son passes all his tapes he's young enough that he'll likely get a white belt with a yellow stripe instead of a "true" yellow belt. I'd likely move on to a yellow belt. But this is not that day. :)


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Mark Seifter wrote:
Alexander Augunas wrote:
Mathematically, is worth it for my telekineticist to take an aether wysp familiar with the elemental whisper talents?
Do you have a bard? If you don't, the auto competence bonus on attack and damage alone are a nice boost, though not worth two talents/Extra Wild Talent on their own. But then there's things like action economy, +4 aid another, Alertness, getting another roll on some skill checks using your ranks, etc that more than pay the deficit.

Mark, did you know that, for some reason, whenever I read this segment of your post, the first thing that I read is, consistently, "Do you even bard, bro?"

(I really have no idea why.)


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Did you notice the theme with all of those questions at the end?

More on that Zelda thing:
Mark Seifter wrote:
I didn't know what the "official Zelda Timeline" was so looked it up. Some of the orderings seem a bit weird.

Yeah, the official ordering has a... lot of... hm... arguments? ... I suppose?... for and/or against it. It was very divisive in a number of ways - many people even outright rejected it as a kludge more than an actual timeline.

I find it more of an interesting thought exercise - akin to having a functioning timeline for Golarion, as-printed in Inner Sea Campaign: technically, the ISC shows off the start of all of the APs printed up through (I think?*) 2011*/4711... but, as stated multiple times, the APs don't actually follow that timeline: they follow the timeline that works best for you.

I suspect that the "Official Zelda Timeline" is rather similar... but it's still rather interesting, and creates a fascinating "unified" history, of sorts.

Wikipedia 'Zelda chronology

Zelda Wiki version.

Simple version: there are three timelines. Time is unified right up until Ocarina of Time, at which point, because of the time-traveling, it splits into a multiple worlds/multiple outcomes/multiple timelines thing.
- Link dies and is defeated by Ganon version; "Fallen Hero Timeline" (Ganon ravages stuff, but is eventually sealed); this leads to the majority of games, as Ganon just keeps coming back as strong as before (as he was never properly defeated the first time)

- Link wins version but is sent back: thus there is no hero, later, when Ganon eventually frees himself; a world without Link (where he as last seen as an adult) is called the "Adult timeline" (and leads to Wind Waker and the related games)

- Link is sent back and grows up from child to adult: thus there is a hero, but he's a kid; he warns the royal family of Ganon's treachery, and of what's going to happen and how to stop him, things are set up to do so, and Link is sent on his way to search for Navi (see Majora's Mask)... turns out that this didn't work out quite as well as everyone hoped, it seems, as Ganon ended up with the Triforce of power anyway (and prepares for Twilight Princess); because he's a child, this is the "Child Timeline"

Hope that helps!

* Correct me if I'm wrong. It's all the APs as of whatever year the book was printed.

EDIT:

And no, Chrono Break does not, by technicality, "exist" as a real game, however I didn't know how "into" such things you were, so you could have been aware of the whole thing (it seems you were not - also fine). :)

(Also, I added the Zelda chronology stuff, if it helps.)


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So: next two TKD classes complete!

I somehow managed to pass yellow, green, red, brown (faked it*), and blue tapes.

I'm still sick, but in far better health than last week, and being careful to tend my reserves of health energy rather than kill myself; the better to facilitate my recovery rather than get worse. It helps to have an understanding master.

Either way, it's great to be learning again! Hopefully I'll kick this thing soon and be able to do full genuine exercise routines again. In the meantime, I'll settle for scaring small children and/or being the guy they want to be as strong as some day (at least of their whispers are any indication - I'm pretty suernatural should set their sight higher, though - that's one of the reasons I keep trying to encourage the other parents to join...). :)

* More like my master took pity on the sick guy who'd missed the last ten minutes of class in which the rest of the class was taught said tape; and he saw my nearly physical struggle with dyslexia in action. That said, he trusted me to work it out on my own, and I'm doing exactly that, so...


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Speaking from lots of experience, it heavily depends on what, exactly, it is you have as a character-building criteria.

Here is a list of the APs

Based exclusively off of that:

- Jade Regent - running all of the (N)PCs as, well, bonus PCs works very well

- Wrath of the Righteous - granting mythic power to her is a strong method of ensuring survival (I'd grant a mythic template in addition to a mythic tier)

If run carefully, Legacy of Fire and Strange Aeons may work. If you grant certain exceptions, I know that Council of Thieves and Serpent Skull can work and sort of have built-in "party"-material at-hand.

Rise of the Runelords, Curse of the Crimson Throne, and Carrion Crown need multiple people - need a party, or else you might have a bad thing happen... but could still be fun, for a solo player, if you want to run it with that (either by letting her run a couple of them or by running a party with her).

I did run a mythic game for my wife based off of the anti-dragon paladin in the NPC Codex. We granted her the mythic invulnerable template and agile templates and a couple of other things (some psychic abilities to allow her to make knowledge checks she'd otherwise be totally stuck at, due to her character type).

I then ran her through The Dragon's Demand, Guardians of Dragonfall (though this is technically no longer canon, if it ever was), and we finished with Blood of Dragon Scar. Bear in mind, the latter two are 3.5 stuff; we also played mythic and I granted her some additional abilities mostly because we were in it for the fun and character stuff, instead of actual hard playing. We passed some time in between each of the modules for various reasons.

If you like those, but want more, Conquest of Bloodsworn Vale looks like it could have dragons in it? But it sounds like its mostly about fey.


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johnlocke90 wrote:

Since I made this post, I thought of a possible improvement. Capture and torture the evil people into repeatedly casting Protection From Evil.

As a Good spell, this will convert their alignment to Good. At which point they will be fuel for heaven.

... mmmmmmmmmmmaybe.

It's a side-bar with a sort of optional rule. There's a lot of debate about it.

Rather than torture, a mmmmmmmuch better idea is the spell geas (lesser or not) or quest (depending on how you cast), and get them to utilize good deeds (including the casting of various good spells) such as planar ally and other sacred spells, but with a focus on doing good works and intention offer an atonement at the end.

An alternate and relatively easy method is simply grabbing as many helms of opposite alignment as you possibly can and using it until it works.

Thereafter, you can do the same thing as above, and eventually it can go into an atonement and become a good guy "for realsies" as it were (just in case the helm doesn't work only on its own).


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lemeres wrote:

The problem isn't that the souls of CE are currently going to the abyss, adding to its numbers.

The problem is that there is already a plane filled with wiggling, writhing CE souls turned into demons.

I would say it's a combination of both.

lemeres wrote:
I am the first to admit that the abyss is the classic example of a 'bad idea', where the gods just dumped CE souls like toxic waste, allowing it to gather up... but that waste has already caught aflame. The continued dumping of waste isn't helping... but it is not the main problem here.

It's actually kind of a "thing" now that's mostly a problem caused by the daemons. That said, it really did solve a problem that may be arguably worse - the qlippoths. It's hard to say whether qlippoths or demons are worse. Both are definitively awful in every way, and the demons definitely won the fight between the two of tehm, but before the demons came on the scene, the qlippoths were causing so many problems that they produced a Rovagug - and reality still hasn't "fixed" that issue.

lemeres wrote:
And don't forget- it isn't Golarion alone, there is an entire material plane, filled with all sorts of worlds and madness. You wouldn't even want to try getting all the CE off of those worlds- you are more likely than not to run into old ones.

... mmmmmmmeh? The "old ones" are less "Abyss"-related and more "material plane" (and dreams/nightmares) related, from my understanding. I could be wrong about that, though.

lemeres wrote:
Also, the balance of the outer planes is... tenuous, at best. Everyone plays (relatively) nice with pharasma because there is the idea that the vast majority of souls involved with go to their respective sides, and no one tries to double cross the other too hard and mostly play by the rules. Sure, daemons have their market... but it is at a vastly reduced scale of what they would really want- they have to smuggle those souls. It isn't quite industrial, and mostly works off of single serial killers slowly collecting souls through secret murders to then sell. That, and just use the NE souls rightfully sent to abadon.

This is an important thing.

Desna was nearly censured by her fellow gods due to stirring up the demon lords for too much meddling - it could have been a disaster that even the gods feared... and not just for themselves, but also for reality. Calistria successfully trolled the demon lords enough to cause them to fall into infighting until they give up.

The daemons' plans are long term - they do what they can no, but are slowly building their power until they're so big that they can't be defeated: until they're too big a deal to challenge. Fun-fun-fun.

lemeres wrote:
Stock piling CE souls will have two effects- Demons will play even less by the rules, and just try to rob souls from everyone else even harder, and everyone else will be eyeing up your nice stock pile of souls. This, not only will the demons start up their mess, everone else will get into the fray because they want the souls themselves. Angels want to reform/destroy them, devils try to use them as slaves, daemons want to eat them, etc.

He's not trying to stockpile them. He's using them as material components. They're going to be used up.

lemeres wrote:
And all this while, Pharasma will not be happy with you. There are other reasons why everyone plays nice with her- she has the forces to make it a very bad idea.

This is an important thing.


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There are so many daggum awesome sources of inspiration in the world.

I want them all.


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Nicos wrote:

- More mesmorable characters you have played

- most memorable characters you have seen when DMing.

- least memorable characters you have played

- least memorable characters you have seen when GMing

>.>

Heh.


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Oh! Bonus questions:

There are a lot.

(I'm kind of a nerd.)

Top three from Final Fantasy Tactics:

- Guest Characters (never full party members)

- Key Characters that (can) become party members

- Basic "Any character" Class (squire counts)

- Unique Class

- Monster

- Non-party member allies

- Non-party member non-allies (not necessarily foes, just non-allies)

- Foes that you face in battle*

- Battle maps (if you have them)

- Battle (if different from the above)

- Story moments (if you remember them)

Feel free to choose less of any given category, or add a category that I've forgotten that you think of. Have fun! :D

* Spoilers:

Delita, Algus, Meliadoul, Zalbag, Gaff, and Malak can go pretty much where you want, depending on what role you'd think they should go under, either to avoid spoilers (though the game is, you know, twenty-one-daggum years old). Obviously they won't fit perfectly into every role, but they fit fairly well into several of them.


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Diego Valdez wrote:
I am far too round and inflexible to do martial anything. I complain any time I have to use my legs like a sucker! I have put way too much time and money into this gut to risk losing it with exercise!

So this makes me ask: are you planning for the Singularity?

(Do you believe in it, or do you feel it is so much hogwash? Or are you uncertain? Or do you have a more nuanced view? Or something else?)

Also relevant: are you planning on getting one of those exoskeleton frames as soon as they become commercially available (and, I suppose, affordable/with a battery life longer than, "Congratulations, you took a step") just to make sure they can partially do your walking for you?

Otherwise, I like pretty much everything else you've written (though I'm totally working on losing my matching gut while taking Taekwondo, myself, along side my five-year-old son).


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I had a very sincere apology to make*.

*cough*

* This statement may not be entirely accurate.


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Syrus Terrigan wrote:

Condolences, DoomKitten. Channel all that into your next horror adventure.

I know I would.

No! You don't want the D&D scare of the 80s to resurface again and it all to be her fault again, do you?!


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I... have an apology to make.

I was seriously, deeply, and disturbingly wrong.

I am sorry.

Goth Guru wrote:

Anybody who wants to play an android or robot, make them a probe. When their soul gem starts to run dry, have them suddenly start to remember their mission.:)

Worse yet(depending on your point of view), whoever was supposed to harvest the world, has long since ascended to a higher plane. They left,"Carry on my wayward son.",on their answering machine. This song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_Rg7wh2Ew

Tacticslion wrote:
An even better song for the same purpose.

And so here it is: I was wrong.

I mean, the song I linked was better, don't get me wrong, but...

... this one is more relevant to the topic.

(Kind of literally-ish; for most mythological systems that use both the Abyss and/or Hell, if both words exist to describe a "bad" afterlife, they are effectively interchangeable for most scholarly understandings as opposed to definitively being unique places.)

But, of course, then there is the remix one, two, three, and four; three hours; fight the power! (same thing, different name); and, of course, instrumental (depending on your needs).

But all that said, that, naturally, means, that this one is the best one.

:D

We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of this topic.


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captain yesterday wrote:
I refuse to turn on a t.v. today. :-)

A-yup.


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captain yesterday wrote:

That's all assuming they notice, teenagers are notoriously oblivious.

Impus Major: Has dad seemed... different to you?

Impus Minor: yeah, he called me 'Home Slice' this morning

Impus Major: No, I mean, he gave me an extra five for allowance this morning

Impus Minor: sweet!

Hahah! Freehold gets to take over NH's job, too! And move the land of "Neverwinter"...

EDIT: and get pestered by all NEW people about Facebook and Whedon and Brown and...


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Looks around empty room...

...pokes CY with a stick...

Get to it, you!

In other exciting news of Nobody:

  • NobodysWife has completed her orders for the Lulu costume, and is picking up the final bits this evening. I'll post pics once she gets it all together, but that'll be once the dress arrives from the Ukraine in a few weeks. I'll be sure to deny Freehold access to the pics, because... sadism...
  • puts finishing touches on nobodyshome disguise, sets black manliness to "suburban dad" setting with timer set to switch to "surprising new wife" setting a day after the costume is complete

    I will be sure to travel with authentic N.Y.C. Pizza, Legos to win over any suspicious children that may be about.

    "Impus Major and Impus Minor vs. Freehold DM" -- coming soon to a theater near you.

    Sounds like an R-rated blood-soaked remake of Home Alone.

    I'd pity Freehold, but I'll have been replaced by then...

    as long as they don't combine to form Devestator, I'll be fine.

    I see you are a man that does not current live with multiple children. "don't combine to for. Devastator" he says - it's so sad, I think might tear up a little. Either that, or it's the laughter. I'm uncertain which...


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    baron arem heshvaun wrote:

    NASA was approved an $19.5 Billion Dollar Budget, in part to send a manned expedition to Mars.

    If you encounter some detractors of how that money could be used here rather than to further the space program, you can kindly and eloquently offer this rebuttal.

    My response starts 1 minute 54 seconds in (I'm on a phone - I have figured how to link to exact times, yet).


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    After watching the first episode again (because it's on Netflix), I'm half convinced Kill la Kill was made on some kind of drunken dare that was, in fact, successful.

    It's just so bizarre, and so far out there.

    So absurd, yet it works somehow.

    Pretty major spoilers framed in casual conversations.:
    How it might have gone wrote:

    A: "Okay, okay, okay, like, we'll make this show, right? An'... and... an'... and... it'll... it'll be... it'll be..."

    B: "No! No- no- I- I- It'll to'ally be 'bout a sailor-girl!"

    A: "Hah! Yeah! A sailor girl! Only without a secret identity! And she's got this... this... this..."

    B: "Uniform!"

    A: "Yeah! Uniform! Yeah! An' they have a... a..."

    B: "Relationship!"

    A: "Oh my word! 'S brilliant! Yah! 'N'she's all embarrass'd by her outfit an' they've gotta learn how to bond!"

    B: "An' beat- an beat aliens!"

    A: "Yeah! Aliens! That're clothes!"

    B: "Do it! I dare you!"

    A: "Oh! I'm gonna! And it's gonna be great!"

    B: "Yeah! Do it!"

    A: "I'm totally gonna!"

    EDIT: clarified


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    Ah! We actually couldn't figure out Girraffic. Thanks!


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    Zootopia was a really good movie! I love you, FaWtL!


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    Goth Guru wrote:

    Anybody who wants to play an android or robot, make them a probe. When their soul gem starts to run dry, have them suddenly start to remember their mission.:)

    Worse yet(depending on your point of view), whoever was supposed to harvest the world, has long since ascended to a higher plane. They left,"Carry on my wayward son.",on their answering machine. This song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_Rg7wh2Ew

    An even better song for the same purpose.

    johnlocke90 wrote:
    "In these cases, souls should be assigned values based on the categories presented here and then treated as material components, reducing the gold expenditure necessary to cast the spell according to the souls’ value. (Thus a spell that requires 400 gp to cast might instead cost 300 gp and a basic-level soul.) Souls used in this manner are consumed and destroyed utterly."
    Snowlilly wrote:

    So, found a human society that feeds it's magic by capturing and consuming the souls of its own dead.

    If that is not the definition of an evil society, I don't know what it.

    One of the very interesting things about ideas like these - and bear in mind, I'm not for this idea as a broad concept at all - is the complete disinterest in understanding it on its own terms.

    Snowlilly, the more you distort what is actually being described, the more you weaken your own position and strengthen the very thing you're attempting to weaken. Effectively, you're undermining yourself.

    johnlocke90 wasn't even describing a society that did this to "the souls of its own dead" (though others have had fun poking holes with the larger concept of taking his thought experiment to extremes) - he was, at most, describing this as a man who did this to the souls of his villains (especially the chaotic evil ones).

    Let's put this in perspective.

    Option One: kill a CE dude; that dude either goes to his god's domain (if he worships a god faithfully enough; only Pharasma can judge); or he goes to the abyss - in the latter case, he becomes a demon
    - scenario a) [goes to be with his god] he becomes a petitioner, and serves his deities interests (likely eventually becomes a demon or other CE outsider, minor chance becomes a daemon or other NE, or a protean or some kind of CN outsider, but it will likely take a while)
    - scenario b) [goes to the abyss] he becomes a petitioner and will become a demon after a time

    Option Two: leave the CE dude alone; that dude goes and does CE stuff all over the place; eventually either gains immortality (and continues to do CE stuff all over the place) or dies (see Option One)

    Option Three: work with CE dude to help convert him to not-evil (this takes a lot of effort and time and hard work; this is not guaranteed, and is substantially more prone to failure than either Options One, Two, or Three)

    Option Four: seal CE dude away forever (this is effectively only temporary, no matter the methods used for "forever")

    In all cases except three, CE dude eventually yields more CE stuff; and option three may or may not, depending.

    The entire reason this scenario came up is someone went, "Wow: evil people produce more evil, no matter what I do - how can I stop them from doing even more evil, after I stop them from doing evil? Can it apply to more than just one dude?"

    The answer is rather self-sustaining, after a fashion.

    The problems, however, are many, and are mentioned elsewhere in the thread.

    Qlippoth still exist - and they're still awful.

    Just because you manage to get rid of all the current crop of demons doesn't mean you'll get rid of all future demons; free will sucks like that. Effectively, you can't control people and you'll eventually have to either have enough for all people an/or you'll just kind of run out of time and energy - things will go wrong with a scheme that grand, in other words. Beyond that, even if it all goes right, there are the other evils - the daemons, qlippoths, titans, demodands, and devils - and non-evils that cause problems no longer kept in check - proteans and axiomites/inevitables -, and other issues. Oh, and, of course, all the twisted and broken rituals that supposedly do this sort of thing but really don't do that at all.

    Basically, the problems never end.

    Plus, you know, doing this is kind of super evil, because it's using evil methods, even for good ends. It's kind of like <insert graphic torture and descriptions of vile acts here> in order to do <good thing>. Person who did <bad thing> still becomes bad, but it may be a worthwhile "sacrifice" in the service of the literal greater good, so long as they are willing to understand that they are not going to be worthy of that thing. But it's definitely a not-good thing... at least as currently defined in-universe.

    Meta-universe, it depends on your attachment to various terms. Most define "soul" the way we do - Pathfinder doesn't, really, though it's a related concept. Of course, "the way" we define soul is not really "one" way, either - we've so many different ways that it's kind of ridiculous.

    So: is destroying these evil things that will prey upon innocents "worth" it? I dunno. Maybe. Some people will say yes. Some people will be horrified. Using the methods will condemn you. Make of that what you will.


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    captain yesterday wrote:
    I think we can all agree, Family Guy did the best Star Wars movies. :-)
    Well, the first was pretty funny - I don't think I saw the rest, though.

    What! Is that possible!

    "I would give my right hand for this day to just be over!" - Luke Skywalker fighting Darth Vader.

    Never saw it, my friend.

    Syrus Terrigan wrote:

    the voice of one in the wilderness

    No, sorry -- we all can't.

    Dissenting opinion. You can run with your majority. :D

    On a better note: . . . . oh, wait. No more flaming bikes today.

    You're right - I can't say it was better than Episode Sev- oh, right, no bikes. ;D


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    captain yesterday wrote:
    I think we can all agree, Family Guy did the best Star Wars movies. :-)

    Well, the first was pretty funny - I don't think I saw the rest, though.


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    NobodysHome wrote:
    And if you'll look upwards, my friend, it was TL who rambled on about how the EU ruined Star Wars for him. Practically an essay on trade embargoes, it was.

    Actually - no, I think you took the wrong impression.

    The EU didn't ruin anything for me.

    I love the EU stuff - even the stuff that "doesn't feel like Star Wars" for many.

    I love Return of the Jedi (it was one of my favorite of the trio) and I'm even grateful for the Prequels we got - not because they were good, but because they gave us good and fun things (including Summon Bigger Fish).

    For the record, I find A New Hope to be an adequate film - quite good, but not as good as either of the sequels.

    NobodysHome wrote:
    Both NobodysWife and I felt that The Force Awakens was little more than a re-filming of Return of the Jedi.

    Hilariously, this is a very different outlook, compared to most. Most peoples' take away is that it was a "re-filming" of A New Hope* what with the "get the secret plans away from the empire, find the desert person with secret power, find the lightsaber and hermit, learn secrets of the force, find the ancient secrets, blow up the (even bigger) deathstar (complete with trench run) after it kills an important planet(s)" thing going on.

    I do tend to agree with you about Anakin - I think Lucas' problem was he went to extremes and he did so too quickly. Anakin just swung from good to evil, and there was no gradiation, no comprehemsible decline, no way to empathize with him. It was consistently, "I'm kind of a whiny hero! Oh, look, I'm a mass murderer! No, wait, I'm a whiny hero, again!" whiplash that made him hard to empathize with or relate to.

    But I really like the EU. It's just not filmable. Those are two different things, though.

    * (though I disagree)


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    Cap'n Siskel, FaWtLy Critic wrote:
    Considering George Lucas' last three Star Wars movies, I'm fine with it.

    This is effectively my opinion.

    I love and respect Mr. Lucas tremendously - we wouldn't have Star Wars, Indiana Jones or a host of other important things without him.

    But somewhere along the line, he lost the ability to have people tell him "No." or otherwise adjust the things he wrote to make them better for the actors and audience.

    I will go on record right now and state that the divergence between book canon and film canon is a deep cut and disappointment.

    But there is a problem: there is no way to film Star Wars, as it's currently written.

    The Extended Universe novels are not able to be filmed.

    Let's take a single example, and I'll get to the general from there.

    Mark Hamill is the Luke Skywalker and there is no other... but he's no longer able to play the role of the Thrawn Luke, and, frankly, none of the other EU Lukes are really screen-worthy. There are some phenomenal writings out there, yes... but none of them are worth translating into big budget cinema, because none of them really continue his story from the films - the story of the Skywalkers.

    Of course, there's the Dark Horse series, but they suffer the same problems: universally, the actors are all too old.

    This is not the fault of the actors, of course. I don't hold that against them. But here's the problem. No matter how awesome Star Wars is (which is super-awesome), it's neither eternally relevant, nor immune to the ravages of authors who misunderstand the property pretty badly.

    All of this creates a really cool, but increasingly weighty world of lore that people feel increasingly intimidated by, and provide a barrier for entry into the series.

    Fifteen years ago, if, instead of The Phantom Menace and the rest of the prequel trilogy, we'd gotten an amazing adaptation of EU, then I think criticism of Disney's decision to ditch the EU in an attempt to more or less reboot the franchise would actually not only be valid, but solid.

    Instead, we got the prequel trilogy, and the last fifteen years have passed.

    (And, for the record, there are genuinely good things that have come out of that: like the Darths and Droids comics, clever fan theories, Ewan MacGregor, and even elements of the world building.)

    Because that time has past, the time for making the EU films has also past.

    We might be able to pick up with the more recent ones... but that leaves us (the audience) trying to learn, "Who was Mara, who is this Ben kid; why is everyone afraid of Abeloth (some people would recognize this as a slightly dyslexic CR 7 D&D monster who is definitely not a shapeshifter and not a seductive woman!); since when are their Lovecraft entities running around with godlike powers; who are all these women that want to bang Luke; why is there a girl who is talking about her dead brothers - who're those; wait is Luke trying to kill a god; where is Chewie;...?" and so on. These are questions that could be answered, of course, but the answers - not to mention the setting - would basically make the films no longer feel like Star Wars... because the books from which they derive often make fans feel like the setting no longer feels like Star Wars.

    So Disney was faced with a choice: do something that would tick everyone off and not feel like Star Wars and have niche appeal; or do something that would tick some people off and feel like Star Wars and have mass appeal?

    They went for the latter.

    And as a fan... yeah, it hurt. But it's also about time.

    This is not the first time the films directly contravened - even directly repudiated - the EU. There were already printed materiasl that were considered non-canon and dubious canon.

    And no matter what steps people took to try and reconcile the two, the longer the franchise went on, the more errors were going to crop up between EU and film.

    I didn't want them to drop the EU. But it needed to happen.

    And The Force Awakens was, frankly, a solid film with a wonderful cast.
    (I heart BB8~! And Finn! And Rey! Poe's okay!)


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    Syrus Terrigan wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Syrus Terrigan wrote:

    the thing that Disney did last December

    You, sir, are a silly face. :P

    :D

    But not because of that opinion.

    Well, obviously, an opinion can't change what you look like...


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    AngryNerdRageDemon wrote:
    Just for that outrageous opinion, I'm unfriending you on Facebook! Take that, Freehold~!
    TriOmegaZero wrote:
    Tacticslion wrote:
    Aranna wrote:
    It is usually a good idea to avoid the movie if you have already read the book.

    I don't necessarily agree.

    I think it's true in many cases, but in many others the difference of experience is worthwhile enough. It fully depends on how invested you are in the source material and whether or not the book was adapted in order to make a good film or in order to make a quick cash grab.

    Prime example: The Green Mile.
    Tacticslion wrote:
    (Though you can, of course, feel free to enjoy it, I'm... I can't... I just... I'm impressed, let's say. Then again, I liked Gladiator, and we all know it's lack of historical fidelity, soooo...)

    Hm. I think I got ninja'd here...


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    (Though you can, of course, feel free to enjoy it, I'm... I can't... I just... I'm impressed, let's say. Then again, I liked Gladiator, and we all know it's lack of historical fidelity, soooo...)


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    It's cool to me, bro. It's cool to me. :D


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    Do you know how happy I am to see this thread up here again?

    Also: do you ever spend time watching online videos or Live Streams?

    Do you take martial arts?

    What kind of books are your favorite?


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    D'ot.


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    Aranna wrote:
    It is usually a good idea to avoid the movie if you have already read the book.

    I don't necessarily agree.

    I think it's true in many cases, but in many others the difference of experience is worthwhile enough. It fully depends on how invested you are in the source material and whether or not the book was adapted in order to make a good film or in order to make a quick cash grab.

    Often studios use the latter; the former turns out quite well, even if it's not the same as the book.

    Those who are heavily emotionally invested in the source material, of course, may well disagree with the changes to the source - because they're emotionally heavily invested in the source material - but that's different from simply having read (and enjoyed) a book and then seeing a film thereafter. Yet even then, there are those who, with a strong enough understanding between the necessary differences of film and literature (or just open enough of a mindset for entertainment) will not only understand, but embrace differences.

    As an example, I surely wouldn't mind seeing films based off of any number of books that I've read (and I wouldn't call myself either that open minded or that strong in my understanding).

    Further, pretty much all of the LotR films were excellent - of course the series has its detractors, and well it should; but the films are solid; the detractors are fairly solidly based on sentimental investment in the source material or disinterest in the genre's deeper elements, not actual flaws within the films themselves.

    "This doesn't work for me." is valid, but not a problem with the film.

    "This is sucky." is valid only if it's true.

    "This is kind of okay." is sadly commonly true, and is hyperbolically blown out of proportion in many different directions, based off of fandoms.


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    Syrus Terrigan wrote:

    the thing that Disney did last December

    You, sir, are a silly face. :P

    :D


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    The Sideromancer wrote:
    Assuming this works, what do you intend to do about the armies of Qlippoth and Devils that are now no longer busy fighting Demons?

    Devils aren't really too terribly busy with demons in PF. I mean sometimes, yeah, but the ruler of the first layer is literally titled "friend of demons" so... not quite the blood war of older editions.

    Instead it's the qlippoths/proteans/axiomites (and their inevitables) that are in the eternal war with each other (and demon kind).

    I mean, also Azatas and other celestials.

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