Kobold Cleaver wrote:I guess we have different values of unrealistic. Knocking out a rhino unarmed isn't likely, but someone with sufficient skill and strength could probably do it. Moreover, it's a hell of a lot less blatant. Fridge logic is very different from "I HEADBUTT A HOLE IN THE MOUNTAIN".
I suspect that part of the issue is that some notice the unrealistic parts of the system more than others.
Someone with a decent intuitive knowledge of statistics and familiarity with how die rolls work out could notice immediately upon reading the falling rules that falling from orbit will deal about 70 damage, his level 10 wizard can survive that, the high con party barbarian could survive that 4 levels ago and now the barbarian can survive a max damage fall and walk it off. The system is therefore so unrealistic.
Another person might not notice and just see a boat load of damage (a whole 20 d6s, that's a lot of dice) and think the falling rules are pretty realistic.
Lets say the former person notices the "broken" (from a realism standpoint) parts of the system all over the place, and the second fails to notice most of it. Upon hearing something like dual wielding greatswords, the latter person is going to see it as bizarre compared to the realistic-except-when-magic system. The former person is going to look at the latter person and wonder why someone would take issue with wielding somewhat-heavier-than-usual swords when at the level they are playing at scrawny wizards can reliably survive things that turn real people into boney jelly and fighters can put their fists through tank armor (iirc in d20 modern tanks have 20 hardness).
Along this line of thought, behold the fullplate - fifty pounds of metal.
Now, remember, it has a hardness of 10, and 40 hit points.
So, to destroy it all in one blow, you need 50 damage. 100 damage, if it's energy! That's actually really impressive!
20d10 ~> 105 damage on average!
On the other hand, 14*5.5+30+10 = 116; this presumes a 14 CON a 15th level fighter can be hit directly, in the face, and still be standing with no reduction in combat ability. That... seems super-heroic to me.