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Kirth Gersen wrote:
So instead of a list of agreements as long as the rulebook, you decided to write house rules as long as the rulebook. :)
Agh, I waffle back and forth on that one. Sometimes it is nice to play with someone who can handle everything for you, sometimes it sucks the fun out of the table. Really, I think it is just the attitude of the player that makes or breaks it. When they are laughing with you, the table is fine. When they are laughing at you, it bites.
Oh damnation, failed my Will save.
I'd be curious to see the outline of this 20ft jump that only requires DC10. But I imagine the 20ft you are referring to is measured from the first square to the last, if I understand your position right.
I pulled my 3.5 PHB off the shelf (the shiny reprinted one with all the errata) and looked up the Jump skill that Acrobatics is based off of.
Well, glad we no longer have to be trained in Acrobatics to avoid falling prone! Now, I understand that you have never claimed that the DC includes the squares leading up to the jump, so the example about Krusk having moved 40ft probably makes sense to you. The removed text about falling prone at the end of your jump probably would have addressed your whole complaint that people were subtracting 5 from the DC. But now we see specifically that a 10-foot-wide pit is DC 10.
As I recall, you base your position on the fact that "the base DC to make a jump is equal to the distance to be crossed". I wonder if it makes more sense to you considering that the original text was "the DC for the jump is equal to the distance jumped (in feet)) and that the wording was changed thanks to Jump no longer being a skill.
If you've tried it and didn't like it, so be it. If you haven't tried, and are unwilling to do so because the very idea offends your sensibilities, well ... you're within your rights, but speaking out of ignorance.
There are some things you don't have to experience to know you would not enjoy them. This is certainly one of them.
But only HE was told about this. If secrecy about the mission was important, why only share that fact with him?
But as I understand it, the party DID know that Osirion was a no-fly zone. They just didn't know the REAL reason they were at that tomb. Like so many other scenarios, they got sent into danger without the tools to succeed, and were left out to dry. By the Decemvirate. Always by the Decemvirate, or the Venture Captains.
"The group’s leader was Thanien Kiandal (LN male elf evoker), whom the Decemvirate sent on a surreptitious mission into Osirion...Most of the group believed they had stumbled on the ruins by happenstance, but Thanien had deliberately led them there to recover what the Society correctly believed was an invaluable record of ancient Osirian history. "
Sounds like Torch had the blame squarely on the right people.