Doomed Hero wrote:
If you really want to point out the flaw in his thinking, just get a ring of detect magic and let the rogue wear it. When it comes time for identifying items, have the spellcasters gather up the other magic stuff and go outside.
Rogue: "Wizard, take all this crap and go outside.
Wizard: "What?"
Rogue: "Trust me, just go in the kitchen."
Wizard: "Ok. Anyone want a mountain dew?"
Fighter: "Yeah."
Cleric: "I could use a glass of water."
Wizard: "No problem. Back in a sec."
Rogue: "Ok. With no other magic around, can I see the ring's aura?
GM: "Well, yeah, after a few rounds, but you don't have any idea what it means. You still can't identify it.
Rogue: "What color is the magic?"
GM: "Blue."
Rogue (yelling into the kitchen): "HEY BOB, WHAT"S BLUE MAGIC?"
Wizard: "WHAT?"
ROGUE: "MAGIC AURAS. WHAT"S IT MEAN WHEN THEY"RE BLUE?"
Wizard: "UM? ABJURATION, I THINK. CAN SOMEONE ROLL KNOWLEDGE ARCANA FOR ME?"
Fighter: "FIFTEEN. WHAT"S YOUR BONUS?"
Wizard: "NINE? SOMEONE CHECK MY SHEET."
Cleric: "YEAH, IT"S NINE."
Wizard: "OK, TWENTY FOUR ARCANA CHECK. BLUE IS ABJURATION, RIGHT?"
GM: "Yes."
Wizard: "WHAT?"
GM: "YES!"
Wizard: "I YELL THROUGH THE DOOR TO THE ROGUE TO TELL HIM IT"S ABJURATION."
Rogue: "COOL. Ok boss, how strong is it?"
GM: "You don't know. You have no frame of reference for this. It's just glowing."
Rogue: "Like a candle? A lantern?"
GM: "A lantern, I guess, but it's not real light so it doesn't really cast a glow."
Rogue: "Well, how's it compare to the Fighter's sword?"
GM: "You can't tell, it's not here."
Rogue: "Fighter, go get your sword."
Fighter: "I go get my sword and bring it into the room."
Rogue: "How's it compare?"
GM: "You aren't sure, the auras overlap and make reading them impossible."
Rogue: "I put the sword behind me, out of the spells detection range."
GM: "It still bleeds through."
Rogue: "Fighter, take the ring outside."
Fighter: "I take the ring outside."
Rogue: "Can I see the sword's aura now?"
Gm: ".......yes."
Rogue: "How's it compare?"
GM: "About the same, I guess."
Rogue: "HEY WIZARD, HOW STRONG IS FIGHTER"S SWORD?"
Wizard: "WHAT?"
Rogue: "FIGHTER"S SWORD. HOW STRONG IS THE MAGIC ON IT?"
Wizard: "SUN BLADE IS WHAT? MODERATE? SOMEONE LOOK IT UP."
Cleric: "IT TAKES A DAYLIGHT SPELL. THIRD LEVEL. "
Wizard: "SO IT"S MODERATE."
Rogue: "WHAT"S THAT MEAN?"
Wizard: "THIRD TO SIXTH LEVEL SPELLS. PROBABLY A HANDY DEFENSE ITEM."
Rogue: "COOL, THANKS. I put the ring on."
GM: "You die."
Rogue: "What? No save?"
Cleric: "Breath of Life."
GM: "You die too. You all die. The ring explodes and you all die. I'm going home."
Wizard: "CAN I COME OUT OF THE KITCHEN NOW?"