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Well, yes. I want a good AP, of course.

The storyline is the important thing for me though, I'd hate to miss out on a whiz bang story just because the mythic rules weren't perfectly understood (or because they try it once and then move on when it didn't work out the way they intended).

Almost every AP has problems. I'd rather paizo learn from them than try everything once and then give up. I think occassional misfires is the price of innovation. Mythic is a whole new thing - I really enjoyed the difference in scope that they were able to play with.


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I'd be up for something like that. Although I'd vote for the great beyond over distant worlds.


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I'd like to see another mythic storyline too.


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Hi paizo

I just received order 3133136 (4 ultrapro PACG deck protector packs) and discovered that I already seemed to have received them. Order 3132951 (for 20 packs) had arrived a week or so previously and included two boxes of the packs. I had assumed each box contained ten packs, however it turns out that each box contains twelve packs.

Long story short - I now have 28 packs (and think I've only paid for 24). I'm happy for you to charge me the difference, but figured I'd draw it to your attention, in case you're inadvertently shipping out packs of twelve and only counting them as ten.

Of course, there's always the chance I've actually ordered twenty eight packs (I probably will eventually). In which case, just disregard this post. :)

Cheers
Steve


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Exo wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
I would say that I think you're putting too much emphasis in your own experience. I suspect that there arent many in your situation - who received decks from different printings and for whom it is a big issue. From what I see they have no problem with repeat business
I think there are more people than you suspect who are getting sets with different printings. For example, and the only example I can speak to from experience: Amazon.com is selling the base set, the addon, and all adventure decks as if they were the same printing. You cannot order a certain printing, they are just selling all the products of this line willy-nilly. So if you hear by word of mouth that this game is great, and you go to amazon and buy yourself a set, you will more than likely end up with different card sizes within that set.

Yeah, I meant that I dont think it's having a significant impact on sales (In response to: "What I am saying is that when you are making a CARD game, Quality Assurance has to be paramount, even, dare I say it, between printings, or you aren't going to get much repeat business."). The problem of mismatched sizes is clearly a thing - a lot of people seem to be dealing with it (via hunting down the correct versions or sleeving). Or they're accepting it as 'one of those things'. For my part, it would bug me, but it wouldnt make the game unplayable. I appreciate we each have different standards though - I didnt mean to suggest you were alone in your view, it was a comment on the commercial effect.

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I suspect that Paizo are more disappointed than you are in how this turned out. Nonetheless, things like this happen. What they have consistently demonstrated is an ability to learn from their mis-steps and put things in place to ensure they arent repeated. They got the first batch printed in China and the quality was unacceptable so they switched to a superior printer for the second printing and future sets - there is a problem between different printings, but if they'd stuck with the Chinese printer for reprints of the RotRL expansions there'd still have been an issue, given the color matching problems.

My gut agrees with you here. From the random posts I've seen from the folks at Paizo, they seem very genuine, very grounded, and very much for the gamer. A company I would want to support and keep track of, to see what else they might have up their sleeves.

Except that I just spent a ton of money on one of their products that is simply unplayable in the state that I got it in. I did see the color variances in my Chinese printed base set, which was a turn off, certainly. I was a bit disappointed in that, but it was forgivable because: things happen, and the game was still playable. I was still having a lot of fun with the game until I got to the US printed Adventure Deck 3. Suddenly the game became unplayable, and here we are. I didn't get on these boards and cry about the color issues of the Chinese printing, because it wasn't a deal breaker for me. What IS a deal breaker is when you spend X amount of money on something (a game, a car, anything) and it is unusable.

Steve Geddes wrote:
I'd encourage you to bear that approach to errors/troubleshooting in mind in deciding whether to continue picking up PACG sets. The first one may have had unacceptable Quality Control issues, in your mind, but it seems to me that issue has been addressed for future sets. Not buying those on the grounds that you were unhappy with the lack of redress with RotRL might be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

True enough. Yet it feels like, for now at least, that I will be doing just that. I have no inclination to go searching out for another Paizo product after this fiasco. Guess I'm gun shy, and maybe I will miss out on some of the good fun that these folks can pump out, but at least I will *certainly* miss out on any other nightmare scenarios that might be in store for me instead (ala buying a card game that comes with different sized cards which are supposed to be shuffled into eachother in order to play the game).

Fair enough. There’s certainly plenty of games out there. For my part (as a long term Paizo fan) I wont pretend there’s never any issues, but they’re very committed to learning from their mistakes and making the next games better.


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Exo wrote:
What I am saying is that when you are making a CARD game, Quality Assurance has to be paramount, even, dare I say it, between printings, or you aren't going to get much repeat business.

I would say that I think you're putting too much emphasis in your own experience. I suspect that there arent many in your situation - who received decks from different printings and for whom it is a big issue. From what I see they have no problem with repeat business (maybe there's about to be a massive drop off in subscriptions with Skulls and Shackles, but that isnt my impression).

I suspect that Paizo are more disappointed than you are in how this turned out. Nonetheless, things like this happen. What they have consistently demonstrated is an ability to learn from their mis-steps and put things in place to ensure they arent repeated. They got the first batch printed in China and the quality was unacceptable so they switched to a superior printer for the second printing and future sets - there is a problem between different printings, but if they'd stuck with the Chinese printer for reprints of the RotRL expansions there'd still have been an issue, given the color matching problems.

Without denying how annoying it obviously is for you, I'd encourage you to bear that approach to errors/troubleshooting in mind in deciding whether to continue picking up PACG sets. The first one may have had unacceptable Quality Control issues, in your mind, but it seems to me that issue has been addressed for future sets. Not buying those on the grounds that you were unhappy with the lack of redress with RotRL might be a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.


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I also hope they embrace the OGL (I dont really understand the terminology "release 5E under the OGL" since the core 3.5 books werent OGL were they? It'd be good if they updated the SRD though to include mechanics like advantage/disadvantage).

I'm hoping the Necromancer games kickstarter demonstrates to them that it's going to happen anyway and they may as well garner the goodwill and 3PP support, rather than try and fight it.


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Hi CS people

Would someone mind glancing in the direction of my July sub just to ensure everything is looking okay?

Im not really in a rush, but I've got a bunch of merged orders, sidecart orders and things now listed as back orders, etcetera and I've seen that mess things around sometimes.

Of particular interest (read: source of paranoia) are the three limited edition comics. I really don't want to miss out on them.

Cheers
Steve


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And now this thread appears to have three invisible posts...you guys and your mystic, mod powers.


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Me too. I'd love to see a mythic module or two, personally.


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thejeff wrote:

I wouldn't do a 3d6 grid unless you really wanted to play hardcore mode.

Generally, I don't like it. It takes away too much freedom of choice and doesn't really add anything.

Yeah, it's certainly more restrictive than point buy. In our case, my preference is 3d6 six times, in order - so the array method is actually an increase in choice.

We find the array method a good compromise between those amongst us who like to plan out characters before choosing their stats and those (like me) who prefer getting their stats allocated and then constructing a character to fit.

It's a pretty signficance philosophical shift, in my view, more about one's approach to character generation than about strength or weakness of the characters created (you can always tweak the power level by adjusting the method of generating each cell in the array).


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Our group likes the array method (we just use 3d6 so the stats aren't that high in our case). I wouldn't recommend it for people who begin with a character concept though - although you get nine numbers instead of six to play with, there's only two stats you can allocate your best roll too. It's not uncommon to have three poor options for one stat, even though the numbers overall tend to be higher.


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You may be waiting a while. There were one or two sent airmail, but the vast majority of the packages went sea mail, as I understand it. The freight company gave the helpful estimated delivery time of 14-90 days (or somesuch). :o


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James Jacobs wrote:
Mythic plays and feels a lot more like the superhero genre than the fantasy genre, and building adventures to do stories with superhero construction themes and motifs might well be the best bet.

That's a good insight to take into running a mythic campaign too, I think (as well as writing it).


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99% is good enough for me. Thanks. :)


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I found a not terribly friendly website which kept "helpfully" sending me off to different double tree hotels. :(

Is it this one?

DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Seattle Airport
18740 International Boulevard, Seattle, Washington, 98188, USA


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Kettlebriar wrote:

Howdy all,

This has been a topic of discussion among several groups at conventions over the past year as well as Pathfinder groups and players in my own local circle. The topic of conversation is burning out on Adventure Paths before they are through. My group has only successfully completed one entire AP out of seven played, and that was Second Darkness. The idea is everyone wouldn't mind being a pirate, but not six adventures of pirating. Everyone likes the idea of raiding a Pharaohs tomb for a couple of adventures, but after four or five of the same thing they burn out. Same with all the other themed AP's. I know we have skipped entire adventures (that we paid for) just to get on to the finale because the rest of the adventures were dragging.....
Second Darkness wasn't this way because it started as a town/city based adventure, then moved onto an island, then into the forest, then a lost city, and then the Underdark. It kept changing and therefore kept everyones interest. We really enjoyed it.
After hearing other players at conventions discuss the same issue with AP's that we were having we all agreed on the same thing: shorter Adventure Paths. A TRILOGY.
The following things discussed why it might be a better product model going forward:
A. Wait. Not having to wait half a year. (I know my group personally had no interest in the Iron Gods AP and we have to wait SIX MONTHS for another.) A trilogy would mean only a three month wait for a different 'flavor'.
B. Price. If you want to play an AP now, you have to commit to over $120 ($20 for 6 modules) A trilogy would only be $60, so people would be more willing to buy/try an AP for that price. This just makes for better business with the poor gamers such as myself.
C. Variety. Writers would have more opportunity to flesh out Golarion by having FOUR AP's a year instead of two.

What do you guys think? I understand that the current AP's must be working as a product or they wouldn't still be publishing them, but going forward what do you guys and gals...

This has come up before and there are essentially two "main objections" that I recall:

First is the fact that the APs are at the heart of Paizo's ongoing success. Granted things may be changing, but for a long time the AP subscriptions were a central element to paying the bills month by month. This means there's an enormous risk in tinkering with the model. Even if there's a really good idea in the offing - changing what definitely works for something that would probably work is not something to do lightly when it's potentially the difference between paying salaries and retrenching people. To put it another way, the potential downside is devastating (however unlikely) and there's good business reasons to take risks elsewhere rather than at the heart of your business model.

The second reason is the fact that the staff are already stretched to keep up. its a sometimes overlooked fact that the first and last instalments of the APs take considerably more work than the "middle" instalments. Hence, two three part APs would be considerably more effort than one six part AP.

Personally, I'd like to see them make the change you suggested, however the above reasons are why I don't expect it to happen. One halfway house that HAS been mooted in a casual, no-plans-at-this-time-but-maybe-one-day kind of way is to try a five part and seven part AP one year. I hope they do give this a go someday - it's less of a risk (being less of a departure from the status quo) but would still enable them to tell a broader range of stories.


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Thanks Erik (and katina, when you return from the future).

No danger of cancelling the others - I'm still eagerly standing by to add a legends sub, as well in fact.

Cheers
Steve


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Hi CS people

Would you please cancel one of my PACG subs please? I still want the one for me, but the friend I was getting the second for is no longer interested.

Thanks


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James Jacobs wrote:
It impacts what kinds of APs we decide to do, or what elements to include in an AP, but that thread isn't the only thing we weigh in the balance when determining future Adventure Paths.

Lucky really, or they'd all be set in Galt with an ever increasing number of exclamation marks.


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Cleanthes wrote:
I'm guessing they would count Reign of Winter as a "people of the North" set they just did.

Quite possible. I'd like some vikings, mammoths and linnorms though.


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LMPjr007 wrote:
I wanted to get a little feedback from the low / non-magic fan base: What do you want to see in this book to make it interesting and exciting? Better still, what DON'T you want to see in this project? As always, thanks for your feedback on this project.

For me, I'd like to be able to run a game where the PCs dont find much money and find very few magic items.

I consider myself a "low magic" fan, but that's in quantity, not quality. In my perfect world, magic items are very rare but very powerful.

I'd also like some options for making magic powerful but dangerous - I like stories where wizards can do earth shattering things, but restrain themselves because of <insert plot reason here>. A mechanical way to simulate that kind of setting would be neat.


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Are there more location based sets on the horizon like the lost coast?

If so, can I request a "people of the north" set?


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I dont really care. I am impressed though - I defy anyone to link a 2007 post of theirs about the future of D&D that's as close as that one.


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His dates may have been off, but the general thrust was pretty darn impressive, in my view.


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The things he can't do with tassels arent worth doing.


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That variance in player preference should ameliorate the cookie-cutter-ness, I would have thought.

I wonder if those groups who continually see all the same stats are dominated by one or two gurus with strong views about what stat allocations are 'best'. I know my group will tend to bow to the expertise of whoever has the deepest rules knowledge of our current system.


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Hi Myfly. I sympathise (it would bug me too). I think your best bet would be to start a thread in the customer service forum: which can be found here.

Customer service will probably see the posts here, but it might take a while. If you use the Customer Service forum they'll see it quicker. I'm not sure what they'll be able to do though, I think they ran out of the first printing (no doubt the reason you got second printing decks). They may have the means to rectify it though..


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Thanks, Sara. Can't wait to see how Mummy's Mask ends. :)


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Maccabee wrote:
Hama wrote:
It's not mandatory, it's fair.
Says you. My group's never had an issue without it

Your alternate system is also fair though. It's the inequity arising from random generation that Hama was suggesting was unfair. (ie when using your method or the regular point buy method there's no risk of being forced to have nothing above a twelve when another PC has nothing below it).


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Hama wrote:

I've been looking over the PCs from several of my previous campaigns that I ran, and all of them had one thing in common. Very very similar ability scores.

While, yes, point buy is there to mitigate injustice and make PCs relatively similar in ability, it gives them a sort of uniformity which is beginning to annoy me.

I am seriously considering of going back to the old system of roll 4d6, drop the lowest, 6 times than distribute as desired. Re-rolling all of them if the combined bonus of all the stats is +3 or less.

I am not cruel enough to go for roll 3d6, or even words, roll 3d6 in order.

Any thoughts?

Maybe you could construct some kind of mix - like give the players a reduced point buy total to purchase four stats of their choice, then they roll 3d6 for the last two (or 2d6+6 or 4d4 or ... whatever you wanted to set it at).


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What's the attraction of iron gods? Is it because you'd like to tell lots of stories specifically in the "science/fantasy*" genre? Or is it a general desire to see something different from the usual fare? (Or something else?)

*:
insert your preferred label here...


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Sunderstone wrote:
...maybe you could try looking at my post from a more neutral view and get to the substance of it.

How would you summarise that? It seemed to me you were basically saying that you don't like kickstarters. Was there substance other than your preference?

For my part, kickstarters are brilliant because they allow products that wouldn't otherwise get made. There's just not the capital sloshing around in the RPG world outside of the biggest half dozen or so publishers to allow the production of really big, juicy products (and even the bigger companies have tended to shy away from such, except in special circumstances). The only downside i see is the occasional delayed product and even more occasional product that never gets delivered. I do wish the risks were a bit better spelled out, to protect people not used to backing, but awareness of those risks will no doubt come as the market matures.

To me it's the best of both worlds - people who don't like kickstarters can wait until the product is released and buy it then (typically getting a superior product than if the small time publisher had to take a financial risk from the outset). Those of us who like crowd funding get to support it, plus have more say in how projects are developed.

I don't really see who loses (other than those who go in not realising that its a greater risk than a preorder).


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Liz Courts wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

Thanks, Joana.

That's much more promising actually - fits in better with when we tend to visit the US. :)

YAY!

That's exactly what I thought.


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I'm more in the "they're not rules, they're guidelines" camp. Nonetheless, we have a member of our group for whom "getting it right" is very important.

I think his view is that one should play the game the way the designer intended it before introducing peculiar interpretations or tinkering with its underlying assumptions. (In that, by doing so, most people will have more fun).

He and I are also poles apart on balance (I prefer imbalance in options, he prefers disparate but equally useful options) and I suspect this is a crucial motivation for seeking RAI as well.


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Thanks, vic. Ill just have to pay attention.

Sorry for the derail.


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Based on past experience - something I don't yet realise I desperately want.


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Err...is it supposed to be getting slower? (Or is that one of those computer things?)


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I'm not really interested in joining a new site.


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Fwiw, I was totally ignorant about piracy and how one might do it but learnt about one avenue for such from a paizo.com post explicitly arguing against the practise.

So although the poster wasn't advocating piracy, by arguing against it so thoroughly they were at least helping enable it. That might be another argument in favour of low tolerance.


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Yeah, no worries. I may be the only one, but the reduced hassle is worth forgoing the discount for me.

On the PF legends thing - should I expect to see a sub to the CD set up before the digital sub is available? Or is it one of those things that's going to wait until it can be done properly from the get go?


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Vic Wertz wrote:
They won't be printed as cards... and they won't even be card-sized! They'll be standard 8.5x11 pages. This gives us the flexibility to do things in PFSACG scenarios that we couldn't possibly fit onto mere cards!

Ah I see, thanks.

Any chance subscribers will get last month's PDFs added to our downloads automatically? Failing that, any plans on and end-of-year "bundle" as you've been doing with PFS scenarios?

(Yes, I am that lazy).


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Andrew K wrote:
They won't be available as cards even in stores where OP is done. They are going to PDFs all around. There's just no way that could be financially feasible, it'd be 6 cards, assuming OP does the same 5 scenarios per adventure (plus a seventh the first time for an AP card)

I figured given the POD arrangements with the errata cards that a similar thing could work. (Granted I know next to nothing about the economics of that).


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When the organised play scenarios are released to the public at the end of the relevant month, are they going to be sold as mini-packs of cards?

If not, is it going to be possible to order them as POD through Drive Thru (like the upcoming errata cards)?


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Fantastic Sara, thanks. All good to go. Can't wait to get this month's goodies. :)


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Sara Marie wrote:
I can neither confirm nor deny I started the auth with your account on purpose during my pre-flight check for the auth run and that you are currently being used as an example of what should not be happening with preorders in sidecarts.

Well for my part, I can neither confirm nor deny that throughout life I have frequently been used as an example of what shouldnt be happening.


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Heh. Whoops.

I really need that subscription. :p


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Oh. I also had forgotten to preorder PF legends three (which I've just done). Could you add that to this months order too, please?

Thanks

Hmm.. On a related note, should I now make puppy dog eyes at Gary or Cort about the PF Legends subscription?


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Hi CS people

I just got my subscription pending email and the cost seems a little wonky. It looks to me like the charge includes shipping (maybe? There's some store credit and a shipping discount) but the itemised list shows a zero shipping charge.

Also, one of the comics in my sidecart doesn't seem to have made the order (the limited release issue 3). Has that not arrived with the others maybe?

Cheers
Steve


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I just noticed a few posts by Cort Odekirk, listed as paizo development manager. I'm not sure if its a recent appointment? Or perhaps I'm a little slow on the uptake..either way - hi cort :)

I saw a few posts in different areas and it made me wonder about the role and where it fits in to the big picture. Any chance someone could enlighten me?

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