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All I meant is that, without knowing what "version 6.0 of the d20 System Trademark License" says you don't know if those spells are allowable under the OGL or allowable by virtue of the more restrictive license.

I'm very much in the "ask a lawyer" camp (faceless or otherwise), but for anyone trying to invent their own legal advice and concoct their own argument from precedent, I think it's important to understand that using the PGL doesn't mean you don't also have permission to go further.


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Shem wrote:

Well, I think that not buying the books will only result in the books being sold out when you want them.

This is like people who cancel their AP subscription because they have too much material to play right now. They love the APs but cannot get through them fast enough to keep up with the schedule.

For FMG - they Way of the Wicked was excellent. And what I see of this kickstarter it is also.

Would more communication be nice? Yes... Am I upset about it? No. Would I not buy this AP or the next? How could I not buy it (or them)... Would I badmouth FMG and Gary? Of course not - his work is excellent.

Would I recommend his work? Yes, it is awesome.

Guess I am not worried about immediate gratification.

I have contributed to many kickstarters over the past few years and even if this came out to next year some time it is by far not the worst kickstarter I have backed.

One of my first was a monster book by some unknown company but I was new to kickstarter and excited about helping something new get off the ground. I may see that one some time in the future but I no longer really care about it.

There is a film that looks like it is in a legal situation and therefore may never make it out into the light.

There is one that should have been out last month by the first estimates that I will likely not see until next winter.

It just is the way it is... And I would not suggest anyone else not support these companies or their efforts. Some of them I may not support in the future which is my choice but I would not suggest anyone else do so.

I pretty much agree with this (although I won't be supporting their kickstarters any more).

However, I think it's important to warn future backers that Gary doesn't stay in contact during the fulfilment stage. If I'd known that going in, I still would have pledged (and wouldn't be as upset now). Being late doesn't matter - that wasn't a term of the contract. Staying in contact was.


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Zarathos wrote:
In the Necromancer product, Eldritch Sorcery this product copied the name and description of spells from 1e AD&D Unearthed Arcana with little revision other adding d20 mechanics. These were spells discarded by 2e and therefore didn't make it into 3e. Why did they let it go? Probably because of the statement on the back cover "Requires the use of Dungeon and Dragons Player's Handbook, published by Wizards of the Coast" Would they be so forgiving if this book is converted to Pathfinder? Who knows? I would consider this an example of taking the OGL with regard to copyright too far.

I don't know that book, but I'd check if it was released under the d20 license (which, as i understand things, was separate and additional to the OGL) before drawing any conclusions as to precedent. It's possible that you were allowed more "access" if you operated under the additional license.


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Intriguing typo in the title..


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Thanks, Sara. I'm afraid it doesn't matter how many times you tweak your systems, i'll always find a way to break them. :)

Cheers
Steve


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Well to be clear, it's just speculation on my part. I don't have much else, since Gary won't tell me what the actual answers are. :(


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I'm not sure if there's an issue or not, but the above order spawned quite early and now seems stuck. It says its waiting for back ordered products, which doesn't seem like decent behaviour for a subscription+sidecart order. Would someone mind looking into it for me and beating things into shape as required?


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DragoDorn wrote:
silverhair2008 wrote:

I just wanted to drop in and leave my 2 cp. While I am interested in the books, I just cannot afford to pledge $150 in order to get all 3. Also, I prefer hard copies to PDF's. They are actually easier to read in bed than have a laptop on my legs. Therefore it appears I will have to wait til they are published and buy them one at a time.

Just my 2 cp.

I was interested in backing at this level too until I saw that it didn't actually get you physical copies of the books. I'm not paying $50 a piece for PDFs.

I'm a supporter at the $150 level (at this stage) and it does give you the physical books.


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Alexander Kilcoyne wrote:
Running a good PbP is usually far more work than the new PbP GM realises and this often leads to them underestimating it, setting up a game and quickly becoming overwhelmed.

I'll second that. I had plenty of time when I started dabbling in PbP DMing and figured it would be easy to run three or four games at once - I initially had one going but it felt like a couple of others would help keep me occupied when the first stagnated.

What I underestimated was the creative drain. Face-to-face, I find the game basically driven by the players. I feel like I'm struggling to keep up with all that they want to do and dont have any pressure on me to keep things moving. In my experience, the PbP format was the exact opposite - I really felt a sense of responsibility to keep the game moving and that meant fussing over prose, anticipating actions and striking that balance between moving things along without riding roughshod over the players without the luxury of as much posting time as I have.

It was all too hard in the end! :(


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Kthulhu wrote:
He's obviously hard at work building a time machine in order to get all the books out by March 2014.

Personally, the delay doesn't matter to me. I just want him to tell me what the new timeline is.


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Weslocke wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
davrion wrote:
I got the physical books as well. My assumption was that we'd get everything in one shipment once all the books are done, but I don't know for sure what the plan was for shipping them.

I'm beginning to suspect we'll get our books once Gary runs a third kickstarter. It's hard to tell with no comment from the publisher, however his first kickstarter had stalled until this one funded - at which point the first suddenly progressed again. I find it hard not to conclude that he ran out of funds for the creature cards and used this kickstarter's proceeds to finalise that one. I suspect he now can't afford the printing and shipping costs.

The implication was that we'd get the physical books as they came out (one of his comments mentioned that the hardcopies would go out a couple of weeks after the pdf) I doubt that will happen now though.

This was my exact thought as well, Steve. Something is obviously very wrong up on Fire Mountain. Have you ever met an author who did not want to talk about their book coming to print?

I honestly hope that I am wrong.

I hope I am too. In my case, the negative conclusions ive drawn are a direct result of the lack of communication, I think.

One of the reasons ive taken this silent treatment so badly (probably irrational, but nonetheless real) was that Gary used to be all over the paizo message boards. Whenever way of the wicked was mentioned, it seemed like he'd jump in to comment. Now direct requests as to when the print books will be released aren't even acknowledged.


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Stephen Radney-MacFarland wrote:
This is not quite accurate. Sean was the mouth of the message boards for a long time, so it was him out defending some decisions that were made by the Design Team.

I really wish this was more widely appreciated. Being the most visible defender of a group decision doesn't mean you're responsible for the decision.

Since I joined the paizo community, it seems to me there has been a decline in engagement of the sort we're discussing*. It's hard not to think that the "shoot the messenger" approach often taken with Sean has been responsible for that.

*:
quite possibly an inaccurate perception


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davrion wrote:
I got the physical books as well. My assumption was that we'd get everything in one shipment once all the books are done, but I don't know for sure what the plan was for shipping them.

I'm beginning to suspect we'll get our books once Gary runs a third kickstarter. It's hard to tell with no comment from the publisher, however his first kickstarter had stalled until this one funded - at which point the first suddenly progressed again. I find it hard not to conclude that he ran out of funds for the creature cards and used this kickstarter's proceeds to finalise that one. I suspect he now can't afford the printing and shipping costs.

The implication was that we'd get the physical books as they came out (one of his comments mentioned that the hardcopies would go out a couple of weeks after the pdf) I doubt that will happen now though.


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Malwing wrote:
Although I have to say that I don't quite understand what the problem is.

Yeah, me neither.

Creative output is a valuable thing and allowing others to use any of your work for minimal cost is generous, in my opinion. I don't share the view that because some companies are very permissive it therefore follows that "predominantly OGL" should be the norm.


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ArchmageDB wrote:
The point of this game was to design an arrangement of rules and tables that worked together to provide us with a mediator that makes the game real not to produce all the imaginative work for us.

It might be worth questioning this assumption. That's not what I bought it for (for example) - I buy Paizo stuff for the imaginative work, not for the rules.

A game which catered exactly to yours or my tastes wouldnt sell very well. Being broadly successful entails catering to many disparate preferences - that necessarily involves compromise and the occasional 'miss' according to any one specific customer.


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James Jacobs wrote:
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I think it is somewhat safe to say that additional products may not sell very well for Varisia at this point, because there is already so much material for it.
I wouldn't say that at all. The fact that there's so much support for Varisia has helped make it one of the most popular regions in the Inner Sea area. There's still LOTS of room for more expansion there as well, in my opinion.

Really glad to hear you say that (again). I like learning about the more exotic parts of Golarion, but I always go back to more traditional frontier standard fantasy settings when running an actual campaign.


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Does the soiler alert refer to a particularly scary encounter?


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Have you ever considered disabling the My Subscriptions page during the few days an order is being spawned? Every month there seem to be a large number of CS requests about orders being pushed to future months, disappearing without appearing as a pending order, etcetera. Maybe it would be better to just have a message along the lines of: "Some features of your subscriptions page are temporarily unavailable due to the spawn of this month's order. Your current subscriptions are: x, y, z"


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Are you trying to order something large (especially international)? Once a package gets to a certain weight/size it can no longer be shipped anything other than priority. Beginner Boxes, Core Rulebooks, Pawn Boxes and Adventure Card Game Base Sets are all like that. It's a real pain as an international customer - the only way to make it marginally more economical/competitive is to include a few other books with the order - that can often be done without adding to the shipping (and occasionally results in a $10 discount, if you're lucky).


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Ashiel wrote:
That's a fault of the class, not the stat generation. <_<

Perhaps. Alternatively, given the classes are unbalanced, using a pointbuy method isnt fair. *shrug* I dont think either is necessarily more foundational.

I dont really care (I dont think it's about fairness, balance or anything else, I think everyone should just do whatever the hell they like). I was just explaining the point of the analogy as I saw it.


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Arachnofiend wrote:
Kirth Gersen wrote:

People still think point-buy is "totally fair": one last try.

You and Bob have the same job qualifications and experience.
I pay you $70,000/year.
I pay Bob $70,000/year.

What could be more fair?

Never mind that we're putting Bob's payment in the form of stock options in a sheltered offshore account and the company CPA (not me!) provides him with some legal loopholes so that he doesn't have to pay taxes on it. The company also provides him with a house and a car, but HR handles that part, so it has absolutely nothing to do with me (wink, wink). HR has also managed to get him free health insurance, even though you have to pay full price for yours. You pay full federal, state, and local taxes and don't get a house or car.

And, to your mind, this is "the very definition of fair."
As I alluded, Ayn Rand would probably agree with you, but I don't.

I'm... afraid I don't really follow this comparison? To me, it sounds more like you're rolling but then you're letting your best friend fudge the rolls. Which would be terrible and I'm working under the assumption that nobody here is doing that.

You can't cheat point-buy. Everyone has the same amount of points to spend. The balance issues are really just because you have casters who can put everything in one stat. That's a problem with the game design, not the point buy.

I think his point was that saying "Everyone has the same number of points to spend, therefore it's fair" is like saying "Everyone has the same salary, therefore it's fair" when, in fact, there are many more elements of character generation (working conditions) than just attributes (salary) which determine how "well off" you are.

You and Bob havent been treated fairly despite having the same salary. The guy who always plays a monk and the wizard-phile havent been treated fairly despite having the same number of points to buy their attributes.


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wraithstrike wrote:
I am confused.

By me? :o


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By rejecting the premise. (That all classes should have the same difficulty in assigning their attributes using Point Buy methods).


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I found some EARLY 1e modules in mint condition that I didn't even know I had. A lot of this stuff came from a friend who would prowl flea markets and think, "Cal would like this" and then by it. I've never used the vast bulk of it. I even have a small box of pewter miniatures that have never been painted and are still in the foam holding material. Hell, they may be actual lead.

I'm not so interested in the rulebooks, but 1E modules are something I'd definitely pay a decent price for if I dont already own them (assuming the FLGS isnt interested in them).

If you have a signficant Dragon magazine collection I might be interested also, but I'm really looking for the early stuff and only if there's a significant "block" of issues.


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I think it shows that things are working as intended - Paizo are retaining relatively tight creative control over Golarion whilst being much more free with the rules.

I think they want to have a clear distinction between "official" Golarion stuff and unofficial-stuff-you've-decided-to-import. Possibly there's legal reasons, but there's no doubt an element of not wanting to let the cat out of the bag - many 3PPs are great, but if you allow a free-for-all there will be some lousy product and it will be irrevocably tied to your brand (witness the complaints that still roll by regularly about how the 3PP glut and low quality "ruined" 3.5 - no matter how many good, professional publishers existed).

I think your solution is best frankly. If you want to produce stuff for Golarion you need to maintain a certain distance - if that's not making you happy you shouldnt do it. A focus on your own IP, a more open IP from some other company or on the less restrictive game mechanics is probably best for you. Those 3PP who do want to make pseudo-Golarion products to ride the popularity of Paizo's IP will have to pay a certain cost (ie nebulous branding and frustrating questions) to do so.

I dont really see the argument that, because many 3PP would like to produce Golarion content and because there's room for it without Paizo harming their ability to release content, Paizo should therefore allow it. (Is that a fair summary of your position?)

The fact is that (relatively) tight control of Paizo's IP is a risk-mitigation strategy - by keeping a clear defining line between Golarion content and things 3PP put out which are "compatible" with Golarion, there's no risk that you'll produce something south-of-Geb six months before Paizo release competing material. There's also no risk that some startup, inexperienced company might put out rubbish which may well serve to devalue the Golarion brand. I dont think this last is a significant risk with the well-known 3PPs, but I think the risk is definitely there and once it's allowed it seems hard to roll back.


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Arachnofiend wrote:
Yeah, I can understand rolls if you enjoy getting your character concept out of your stats. I always have a character concept first, so it can be... very disappointing to me if I can't get stats that service that concept.

It would be annoying if you have a clear idea of who your character is before you roll your stats and then find they just dont work.

Ultimately I'm still stuck in the mindset of stat prerequisites for the "better" classes and level caps based on race. Coming from there, I never think about what class/race I'm going to be until I see what I'm working with.


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loaba wrote:
If we want to ask sub-questions, then riddle me this; why is a randomly generated 8 better than a point-buy 8? I get the feeling the random rollers feel like their 8 is some kind of badge of honor, while those same Randomites look down on the P-B'er and his 8 (and probable 18).

Its not about better, its about whats enjoyable. Theres no badge of honor, I just enjoy being given a character and making it work (I dont reroll, as a general rule).

FWIW, my preference is 3d6, in order, reroll at the player's option. I dont "look down" on people who prefer point-buy though - I think they should be allowed to do that.


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Ashiel wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Without speaking for TOZ, this isnt actually true. It assumes people are motivated by a desire for more effectiveness (which I'm not, for one). If I played in a game based around pointbuy where a stat of 7-10 cost zero points, I think there's a good chance I'd have a 7 (though probably not all the time). I'm not being punished for making that choice - my payoff is playing the kind of character I want.
But D&D/Pathfinder is a cooperative team-based game. Choosing to be weaker affects more than just you. It's a drain in the group as a whole. If you have a 7 Dexterity and nothing to show for it, then you're just making yourself easier to kill with nothing to show for it (not even a little bit). Your friends could end up paying for that. :\

Well sure, but they dont care so it's not a problem.


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I dont think thejeff is saying he doesnt want a situation where death is really possible. He's just pointing out that 20% is a pretty high chance (pretty much no PCs are ever going to live to make second level if that's the average chance of survival).

EDIT: okay, 1 in 20 will, but hardly any are going to make it to third.


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Ashiel wrote:

If you don't provide a compensation for accepting penalties to things you're both providing no incentive for characters to have flaws, and are actively punishing any player who decides on being below average in something is desirable by not reimbursing them for the choice.

The end result being you end up with characters who are no worse than completely average.

Without speaking for TOZ, this isnt actually true. It assumes people are motivated by a desire for more effectiveness (which I'm not, for one). If I played in a game based around pointbuy where a stat of 7-10 cost zero points, I think there's a good chance I'd have a 7 (though probably not all the time). I'm not being punished for making that choice - my payoff is playing the kind of character I want.

Ultimately all preferences are "just cos". Some might be built on others, but at it's heart it will resolve to just the fundamental kind of thing you enjoy. You might prefer one system over another because you like options - there's no reason "having options" is inherently more desirable though (or if it is, it will be based on some other, more primitive preference).


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Sara Marie wrote:
I'm looking at you August 2013, with your 22 products

Hey, at least you got more minions out of it!


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Ive sold stuff through Ebay easily enough, but I dont generally get very good prices. NobleKnightGames is another place I've sold stuff - I found their offered prices quite reasonable if you're willing to take store credit but not so good if you're looking for cash. (If you're not in the US, they're not really interested in anything beyond very rare stuff).

If you dont have any luck, I'd be interested to hear what 1e and 2e stuff you have available.


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born_of_fire wrote:
Why does everyone assume that one lucky bugger who ends up with a 42 point buy when he rolls is cheating?

Once? I dont assume he's cheating. If it happens all the time? Because that's far more likely than the alternative.


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Chthonian Sun wrote:

You guys make some good points. I would be curious to know if Paizo has a sense how much of their market looks like me. People who spend a reasonable amount and have been long-time subscribers but are getting a little tired of how much they are spending (particularly in shipping). My bookshelf is filling up with APs and I feel less and less interested in new volumes.

I'm feeling product-line fatigue and trying to discuss a business solution that keeps Paizo's subscriber base as strong as possible taking customers like me into consideration. With the current age of the Pathfinder product-lines I suspect I'm not alone in feeling this way.

I'm sure you're not alone - as the product line ages there will always be people dropping off the end as their enthusiasm wanes. From a global business perspective I dont think that's really an issue provided there's a bunch of fresh-faced newcomers to take up the slack.

I've definitely experienced that product fatigue you mention - no doubt Paizo's books are better now than when they started, nonetheless nothing captures the feel I had reading through Shackled City, RotRL, Guide to Korvosa and my other introductions to Paizo. Like you, I've also found myself adding up my annual shipping bill with a somewhat glum feeling.

Despite that issue, I think Paizo would be very wary of tinkering with the heart of their successful business. Launching their subscriptions was a big risk given the cost of each book plus the shipping. It's paid off for them handsomely and still seems to be going strong - I expect it's inevitable that changing something that works so well is only going to happen if they think there's a really big payoff.


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Chthonian Sun wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
They could also avoid cash flow issues by charging customers as they currently do when they make the PDF available. Then just ship quarterly.
Awesome. I'm all for it.

As I understand things, they're not allowed to do this - they can't charge your card for a product they're not going to ship for three months (even though some places do).


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I suspect cash flow would be an issue (regardless of what some companies do, they're not allowed to charge your card until the product ships). I guess they could enforce an "only available if you have sufficient store credit pre-purchased for your order" prerequisite, but I don't think Gary would enjoy that.

Another issue is that complication leads to user error leads to extra customer service work. Imagine the customers who forget to cancel and don't watch the site for six months - then get billed for an entire AP they don't want.

There's also the issue of the pathfinder advantage - if I'm subscribed but not actually receiving monthly shipments until late in the piece, do I get my 15% off a paizo PDF in the meantime? What if I then cancel?

I sympathise with those who only have one subscription - postage is a huge percentage then. I'm not sure there's an easy solution though. At one point I suggested a "premium subscriber" option where you would pay more to get your subscription shipped first each month. Something like that might enable paizo to discount the regular subscriber postage. I suspect there'd be significant opposition from the fans though (not to mention the inefficiencies introduced to the shipping procedure which has already shown signs of stress recently).


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bugleyman wrote:

Still mourning the probably demise of the builder series. I don't get it...they're such a perfect impulse purchase. :(

Maybe the randomisation element for a single figure booster is depressing sales. Collectors seem to understand the necessity of randomisation far more than casual mini purchasers (that's purely anecdotal, of course, but it seems widespread).


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Bothari wrote:

So for a casual DM like myself, what's the best way to try and get all these characters for the campaign I am running? Will I be able to purchase individual units (including the rares like Rasputin) or am I just going to have to chance it? Because I really don't want to put my faith in blind luck, that seems like a foolish use of money.

Or should I contact my local game store and see if they are getting the cases, from which I could reserve the individual units?

Once the set has released, Paizo will order themselves a bunch of cases which they will open and list each individual mini separately. There are plenty of other online retailers who will do the same. You will have to pay more per mini that way (though there are some pretty good deals around if you're willing to shop widely) but you can just buy one of each mini if you like.

If you purchase a case you are nearly certain to get at least one of each mini plus multiples of those minis you're likely to need more than one of. If the case doesnt contain one of each mini, you're likely to be short only one or two of the rares. The price per mini is much better that way, but you have to be prepared to buy 128 minis which isnt what everyone wants.


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Probably worth amending the product description which still describes it as a 55 figure set.


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RJGrady wrote:
I can understand that. Still, just because you ask the questions doesn't mean he has the answers. I'm not saying FMG deserves a second chance or anything. My point was just to be realistic about what happens from here on out. Of course I sympathize with the backers. There is nothing good about projects falling behind and the publisher not knowing how to deal with it.

Maybe you're right. I try to be empathetic about these things (and I really dont think he owes me an explanation or a detailed blow-by-blow account of his personal life - an acknowledgement of the delay and updated timeline is all I'm looking for). I just find it difficult to remain positive and charitable given he went from such an active presence here and on his kickstarter page to nothing.

I really struggle to believe he hasnt read the various "when are the print books due?" posts. For my part, I'd be much happier to hear "2016" than "Here's some more upcoming artwork. Can't wait for you guys to see book 2!"


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I'm one of the backers who won't be supporting FMG again. A lot of the sympathetic posts seem to be missing the heart of the complaint - there isn't a huge amount of complaining about it being late. The problem is the lack of communication as to why its late - total silence for months followed by a few, casual "here's some more art, book two should be ready soon" updates. For example, the first printed book was announced as due to ship last year - now he just ignores queries as to why that hasn't happened and when it will ship.

I feel taken for granted rather than a partner in something which wouldn't have happened without me. I don't need any personal details as to what went wrong - I just want to hear that Gary knows he's fallen behind, thar he has things in hand and that he cares about the delay. From reading his updates, I get the impression he thinks everything is fine.

I don't care if a kickstarter is late and fully understand that life can get in the way. That's not the source of angst here.


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Erik Mona wrote:

It's funny. There's a huge disconnect between what people tell me they want, and what people actually buy. Put a different way, I get a lot of feedback on the forums that collectors are tired of NPC and PC figures in sets, to the point that many people quote a preponderance of them as reasons not to buy a case, or to cherry pick three figures from a set of 55, or whatever.

Alternatively, the NPC and PC figures generally sell much better than monster figures* on our own singles sales, and at every convention or trade show I go to, store managers and owners beg me to make more figures that work for player characters.

Serving one side of this issue over the other basically screws me 50% of the time. So far I've been trying to balance things out, and quite honestly I despair that I will never be able to get the balance right for everyone. So, when deciding what figures to do I try to have a mix of both, guided by what I personally think would make cool and useful figures.

I wonder if this is a function of the fact that players outnumber DMs. (And maybe that collectors are more often DMs whereas players are more likely to buy singles). The builder/encounter/evolution sets seem like a good concept but maybe the market for them has already largely bought cases.

Perhaps a solution is to try sets with not many PCs and builder sets or encounter sets of PC-appropriate minis collated and/or repainted from several sets.


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I'm quite disappointed in the drop in number of figures per release. Sad to see what I consider a step back.


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I don't really disagree that a kickstarter is a serious undertaking and commitment. I seem to recall that the completion date is explicitly called out as an estimate in kickstarters terms/FAQ though, as opposed to being a term of the contract between the creator and backers.


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I've had good dealings with Noble Knight Games. Although, if you're not in the US, they're only interested in the more rare things (for which I found they paid decent prices).

They give you more if you take store credit, but I found the cash they offered quite reasonable. The process of sending in my list and getting a quote was pretty swift too.


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I just put it down to reigonal differences in spelling.


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agnelcow wrote:
If multiple items are being released in the same subscription line this month, will the items automatically be grouped as a single shipment or will they be authorized and shipped separately?

It will all be authorised together - whether they actually ship as one or multiple physical packages will depend on what works out cheaper. All the PDFs will become available at the same time though.


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Mark Hoover wrote:
We're through all but the last of the stretch goals already. I'm really psyched for this project! I hope the momentum continues so I can pick up that $5 player's guide so that, later when I finally have the product my players can completely ignore it and wander blindly through the campaign. C'MON FORUM!

So true.


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Thanks, Lisa. Glad you talked him into it. :)


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Ah well. Thanks, Liz.
Fingers crossed they get around to another run at some point.

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