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Grumpus wrote:

Would it make sense to occasionally sprinkle in 3-volume APs amongst the usual 6-volume ones?

If you look through the messageboard posts on the individual books, it seems volumes 5 & 6 just dont get as much play. Mummys mask book 5 has just 21 posts. And book 6 has only 13. This leads me to think that a lot of people start APs but rarely get to the ends of them.

If paizo were to insert shorter APs of 3 books in length. They could cover more of the world, they could start these at different levels. And not every story would have to be epic.

I just finished a 4 year campaign of rise of the runelords and the thought of another 4-year investment in a new AP is a bit daunting. But maybe just a 3-book series would be more reasonable.

This has come up a lot over the years (although not for a little while, I think).

There are a couple of reasons commonly cited for why 3-part APs are unlikely:

The first is that the first and last episodes of an AP are the ones which take the most work. Groundwork needs to be laid and loose-ends need to be neatly tied up. That means that producing two three-part APs is considerably more work than one six-part AP. Hence there is a limit imposed by staff time and other such resources.

Another is a natural conservatism when it comes to Paizo's flagship product (which the APs used to be and which I presume they still are). The company has done very well over the last several years based in large part on the success of the "two six-part APs per year" model. Whilst it is likely that deviating from that wouldn't be calamitous, the more and more central to one's operations something is, the greater the risk with tinkering with it. The AP subscription used to be described as "what keeps the lights on and pays the wages" - now that's probably changed somewhat over the years, but I suspect it's still a really important part of their business model. As such, the risk of it tanking for a year or two, even if minuscule, has the potential to do significant damage to the business in terms of cash-flow, profitability, certainty, etcetera.

At one point, I heard the idea mooted that if they were to try tinkering with the AP model it would likely be in a far less significant way - something like trying a five-part AP and a seven-part AP one year or something (there are also people who feel APs are too short, so this would have the advantage of keeping more customers happy - plus the people who want longer APs are less likely to cancel in the face of a single 5-part AP than they would be if they saw a couple of 3-part APs come onto the schedule.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
*wonders where he (Thomas) falls on that spectrum...*

It probably depends on which thread you're posting in. I don't think many of us have rigid posting styles across all topics.


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Thanks, Chris.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Okay, so now we're bringing up "certain subjects". I can't argue an infinity of hypotheticals. Are we talking about dead baby jokes on a thread about abortion? Because that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm also not talking about trolling, which is arguably just as close to knightnday's preferred style of post (on-topic arguing) as it is to mine (off-topic silliness). After all, people involved in on-topic arguments bait each other all the time. It's basically the #2 reason threads go downhill around here. :P

For my part, I have no problem with people injecting humor into a thread if that's what they want to use it for. If I'm not in the mood, I don't reply (and just scroll past the people who are being lighthearted if I'm reading other people's more "serious" posts). I think that's just part and parcel of a public conversation. In a crowd of people all talking about stuff, you're not going to be interested in what everyone else is saying.

Having said that, I don't think the people doing so should operate under the assumption that it has no impact on those of us not participating in the witticisms. It can be annoying or irritating - for example, it makes it harder to scroll back and read a few posts, since the fifty post per page limit is now being partly filled with banter rather than on-topic discussion. When the topic gets sufficiently in depth, I quite often want to go back and read large posts from earlier (since we can't keep quoting indefinitely).

EDIT: To keep this more focussed on moderation, I'll make the non-comment that I think Paizo's community team are pretty spot-on in weeding out off-topic comments whilst still leaving room for the community to play around. They allow it to wander if that seems to suit the "mood" of the thread and keep things more tightly focussed when that seems to be what the participants are looking for. As far as subjectiveness goes, I don't think you can get much more judgement based than "how much jokiness is allowed" yet I very rarely see complaints about this sort of moderation. So thumbs up Chris, Sara, (Liz) and co.


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knightnday wrote:
Jiggy wrote:

Aren't we drifting a bit from the topic of forum moderation with this whole "who's offended and why" thing?

Yes, sometimes a person is legitimately offended and the speaker needs to adjust their behavior, so we can't just dump all the power in the hands of the speaker.

Yes, sometimes a person claims to be offended in an effort to silence the speaker's opinion, so we can't just dump all the power in the hands of the listener.

Yes, sometimes a person is offended and the speaker claims that the cry of offense is just an attempt to silence the speaker's opinion, but really it's the speaker trying to silence the opinion of the listener, so I clearly can't choose the wine in front of me.

Isn't that part of why we have moderators in the first place? Remember when this thread was about coming up with ways to improve the methods and/or tools of the moderation team on this particular forum?

From the looks of it, trust seems to be the main issue; not just trust with the moderators, but trust with your fellow poster not to try to twist things against you.

How do you fix an issue of trust?

Don't talk with people you don't trust to have an honest conversation.

FWIW, I think the "people are lying about being offended" thing is being blown way out of proportion.


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Awesome, thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all ports over to 5E.


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D@rK-SePHiRoTH- wrote:

Players

Designers

Publishers

I wouldn't put that on your application..


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Cat-thulhu wrote:
I'd love to trade for the dressing pieces, alas I'm not going to paizocon.

You're in Australia, right? Send me a pm of what you're looking for. I have a reasonably complete list. I even have two RDI bars. Though they're all muddled together with some repaints ....


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Kalindlara wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Cat-thulhu wrote:
I take the dressings as they are because I know people feel like you do. More monsters is always good.

Cheers. The opportunity cost is something often neglected, in my view.

Having said that, I should have made clear that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority. Posting "I don't like this" sometimes feels like a demand for change (which it isn't really). I'd resolved to be less negative in Erik's threads this year, dammit!

For the record, I never saw "I don't like/need X" as a demand for change. It's just a data point. (That's just me, though; others may feel differently.)

Some people definitely do. Plus I do go on about it, so it is kinda nagging. :p

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Berk the Black wrote:
Turn those pesky poeces of furniture into something more to your liking! I'm game if anyone wants to unload their unwanted dungeon dressings!
If you're at Paizocon next year, I plan on bringing my dungeon dressing stuff to the Monday night mini-swapmeet.
I might have to get in on this. If there's anything specific you're looking for, you know how to get in touch. ^_^

Will do. :)

Basically older minis of monsters are great - I was late to the party as a minis collector.


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CS will have a more elegant solution, I'm sure. However, if you were in a hurry, you could do this:

  • Start a subscription to the Adventure Path line - selecting "cheapest option" as the shipping method.
  • Place your first order as it currently stands (choosing "ship with my subscriptions" as the shipping option
  • Place the second, third, however many orders it takes (also choosing "ship with my subscriptions" for each of them)
  • Go to the sidecart section of your account (a little ways down on the right - it should be listing all the minis you've just ordered) and select "ship as soon as possible". This should generate an order with everything you've currently got ordered and will ship it as cheaply as possible (it might break it into multiple packages as that is sometimes cheaper).
  • Email customer service and ask them to cancel your AP subscription

I'm pretty sure that would achieve what you're trying to do (note that you won't get the PF advantage discount this way - if your order is large enough you may well find that the 15% discount is worth more than the $21.24+postage it costs for one instalment and that you should actually leave the subscription in place).


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A man on the inside said so.

Any chance we'd be able to get some kind of monthly "Where starfinder is at now" blog? I appreciate it's all still in flux, but even if it was at the meta-level of "We've started playtesting the starship battles rules and here's some of our guiding principles...." I for one would really appreciate it.

I realise it's too soon for previews, but some behind-the-scenes musings would be equally welcome.


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Berk the Black wrote:
Turn those pesky poeces of furniture into something more to your liking! I'm game if anyone wants to unload their unwanted dungeon dressings!

If you're at Paizocon next year, I plan on bringing my dungeon dressing stuff to the Monday night mini-swapmeet.


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Cat-thulhu wrote:
I take the dressings as they are because I know people feel like you do. More monsters is always good.

Cheers. The opportunity cost is something often neglected, in my view.

Having said that, I should have made clear that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority. Posting "I don't like this" sometimes feels like a demand for change (which it isn't really). I'd resolved to be less negative in Erik's threads this year, dammit!


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Cat-thulhu wrote:
Jason S wrote:

Having said that, I feel that some of the dungeon dressings should be at a much higher rate than "ultra rare" or 1 per case (which isn't even guaranteed).

Dungeon dressing like beds, tables, chairs, and in this case, cages, people want more than one, they want several. Should be uncommon. There is no 3rd party market for these minis, everyone wants what they have.

Candles, crates, or barrels should be rare.

Items like gates, wagons, carts can remain as ultra rare. imo.

At one per case all of the dungeon dressing are the same rarity and the usual rare mini. All of the rares are 1/case as well.

i have no issue with them replacing a common or uncommon mini but then I like the dressing. Not sure how many others would be happy with a 45 mini set with only 40 creatures and 5 dressing pieces - 2 common, 2 uncommon, 1 rare.

I know very little about how this works but I can imagine it may be possible to make a set of the size we have now how. 50 minis, 13 rare medium, 4 rare large, 8 uncommon large, 11 uncommon medium, 14 commons. 2 commons, 2 uncommons, 2 rares are dressing. This would land you enough of most without throwing out the distribution too much, you would get on average around 6-7 less common creatures, 6 less uncommons. The question is which 2 commons and uncommons would you remove from this set, for example, for the dressings?

How would this then tie in with the possibility of huge minis?

Losing even more slots would be bad for me. Truth is, I'd probably buy a case or two anyway, but there's no question the inclusion of dungeon dressing makes these sets noticeably worse value for me (I essentially take eight minis and put them in a box, never to be used again - they could have been monsters, as far as I'm concerned). If the incidence of dungeon dressing was increased, the cost/mini for me increases significantly, since these are just a waste of space.

I'm really, really hoping these can be split off into a separate line - mingling the products like this (terrain and monsters) can't help but be disappointing to both markets (albeit being perfect for the market of people who want both in exactly this proportion). Anecdotally, it seems like there's sufficient support to justify it. I'm hoping Wizkids are willing to take the risk soon and that the fans who like dressing support the hypothetical new product line.

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I wouldn't just want my Huges coming from D&D, the quality is not as good ( I hope battles quality keeps up)

With regard to the D&D quality, I'm not looking to argue, but have you looked at their most recent sets? I think the difference in quality between the two lines still exists at the non-rare medium and small figure level, but the large and huge D&D minis are generally done quite well. As are the rare mediums. It's all subjective, of course, but I wouldn't base your opinion of Icons of the Realms set 5 on how you found Icons of the Realms set 2. The set prior to this had some figures that were definite improvements on the PFB equivalents in my view (largely due to being at different rarities and also coming from some of the early PFB sets) - the manticore and yeti being two examples.


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Presuming this is Pathfinder - Worldscape #1 (the mismatch between title and image isn't going to cause any ordering issues is it?)

Are there any super-rare promo covers for this issue? Or is this the only one?


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Zelda Marie Lupescu wrote:
So, who else finds this answer annoying and on the other foot, who here thinks it's a 100% valid answer (to all or just some questions?)

I sometimes find it annoying - especially when the question is more "I'm looking for a range of views, since this is obviously a subjective area". In other words, when it is obviously not meant to be "What is the 100% indisputable answer" but rather just "what do you think?"

The times I think it's valid is when people think the topic they've asked does have a 100% indisputable answer and the responder thinks it's in the hands of the DM (ie pretty much any alignment query or similar). There are some questions in which the rules are deliberately and openly subjective, so looking to the forums for a definitive answer is probably misguided.


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knightnday wrote:
A good example? I've had a number of Europeans use the term Yank or Yankee to describe Americans. I can tell you from vast experience that Americans from the South consider that an insult, one that can provoke a rather loud response.

Wow. That's another thing these forums have taught me.

I recently learnt that 'Gypsy' was derogatory, although I maintain it isn't in Australia. Similarly 'Yank' is synonymous with American here - I'd say it's almost the affectionate term. I could easily have made that slip!


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Jason Nelson wrote:
...with a 5E transation of Ultimate Rulership coming next week, Ultimate Battle around the beginning of October, and Ultimate War after that.

Hi Jason

How are these titles coming along? Any further word on the timeline? (I'm going to pick up the print-on-demand versions of all of them once all four are available.

Cheers


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Erik, i think you're great.

Sorry if i sometimes come over as Mr. know-it-all, you certainly know more about PFB than i do. ;-)

But it's pretty close.


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WormysQueue wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Cheers. I don't think I've ever seen that happen - I can see it's a theoretical possibility, but I've never seen anyone claim offense where I didn't really believe they were offended.

Oh, I've had pointed out to me more than once that sometimes my posts are felt as being offensive when the only thing I try to do is to be as concise and exact as possible. And when I asked what exactly I had done wrong, the only answer was that the offended people got the vibe from my post that I was too convinced that I was right.

Which is why I normally try to be extra careful not to speak in absolutes but that (and other things happening here in Germany) is also why I don't share JJ's sentiment that only the people feeling offended have the right to define what's an offense and what's not. Because I see some of them use this on a daily basis to try and shut you down.

Someone can be offended by something we've said even though we didn't intend any harm.

I think James's point was that the fact you didn't mean to upset them doesn't mean they're not really offended. Nor does it mean we get to argue with them about whether they "should" be offended. "Offense" is something subjective.

FWIW,the bolded sounds like you're essentially following the same strategy anyhow.


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Your commitment to making a point is impressive.


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The "wrong forum" flag is an excellent exception. I should've mentioned that, cheers. I was only thinking of the fighty kind of tag.


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Talonhawke wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Trekkie90909 wrote:
I'm not sure anyone here is arguing that being offended by something should be used as a weapon.

Yeah I don't really know what that even entails. Do you mean people pretending to be offended in order to silence discussion or something?

It seems to me that, if they're not involved in the discussion (because you're tried and failed to explain what you mean so you are now just not replying to them) it's going to be pretty transparent isn't it?

You have the right of it. It's the fact that you can claim offense even on someone else behalf, and if the subject matter is right then a bandwagon can follow causing a cascade of offense until it is silenced even if no-one was actually offended to start with.

Cheers. I don't think I've ever seen that happen - I can see it's a theoretical possibility, but I've never seen anyone claim offense where I didn't really believe they were offended.

Having said that:

Kryzbyn wrote:

I think to minimize the "offense as a weapon", don't respond to a post. Flag it, and move on.

This would prevent threadcrapping in case of a misunderstanding, and then it would be left up to the moderators to decide, without the prejudice of a back and forth, to decide for themselves. While I agree the mods tend to play favorites (they are human beings after all), I would still give them benefit of the doubt in this case, were that rule to be actively followed by the community.
This would mean that folks who threadcrap and then flag should get warnings and such. Rules without enforcement are useless.

I think this is excellent advice. If there's nobody replying to the "fake offendee" then I think the tactic will be pretty transparent.

It kind of ties in, but as a separate point...

I think it's also worth avoiding publicly telling people you've flagged their posts. In my mind there's two likely outcomes of that, neither of them positive:

1. You're right that the post is outside community guidelines and the moderators are going to remove it thanks to your flag. Now they also have to remove your post, so you're just increasing their workload and whatever you wanted to say is hardly going to be up there for long.

2. You're wrong in your opinion - but you're now inviting public dispute with the poster you flagged which could well lead to the thread deteriorating and an eventual need for the moderator to step in and do a whole bunch more work cleaning up the mess you were pretty much responsible for.

I can't see any circumstance where publicly telling people "I've flagged your post" is actually beneficial. Best case scenario it doesn't do any harm, but given the risk of causing dispute and resentment, what's the upside?


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TriOmegaZero wrote:
I was offended by that gug at PaizoCon. My poor cavalier's HP was brutally offended! :P

Flag it and move on.


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BLloyd607502 wrote:

My GM has changed systems midway through a game from Pathfinder to 5E, the character I'm playing is fairly non-standard and I have never played 5E before.

I have no idea how to create him, we're going to probably suffer a huge hit in ability meaning some of the things he'd done previously make no sense and a bunch of his equipment is now basically vestigial fluff. I can totally sympathize with him wanting to switch systems but I have no idea how to bring him across and I can't complain since the rest of the party are also pretty down with it and it might help a game that was going incredibly slowly speed up and smooth out.

But, a character I really enjoyed playing and don't really want to retire might end up mechanically not viable, as in I literally cannot make him.

I sympathise.

I always figure it's better to stop the campaign midway and start again if the group wants to switch systems. It's hard enough to ditch the mindset of one RPG and adopt the new one - it makes it harder still when you're trying to keep everything else "the same". Plus you'll keep getting hit by things you used to do but now can't - that's not going to help you like the new system. Fingers crossed it works out for you.

My unsolicited suggestion is to retire the PC and bring a new PC in with the new system.


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Trekkie90909 wrote:
I'm not sure anyone here is arguing that being offended by something should be used as a weapon.

Yeah I don't really know what that even entails. Do you mean people pretending to be offended in order to silence discussion or something?

It seems to me that, if they're not involved in the discussion (because you're tried and failed to explain what you mean so you are now just not replying to them) it's going to be pretty transparent isn't it?


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Erik Mona wrote:
I wrote:
And yes, that is jealousy - what of it?

LOL.Sort of.

Yesterday I spent the _entire day_ in Paizo's conference room in budget meetings, scheduling meetings, and job interviews for someone else's department.

Not exactly the stuff dreams are made of.

That said, today I had a ton of fun creative meetings, not least of which being a 2-hour playtest of the phenomenal Starfinder starship battle rules, so yeah, some days I definitely have a dream job.

Not helping, Erik....


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Buri Reborn wrote:

I'm curious, then, how do we help identify offense? Just as we can be unclear in our speech, so can someone in the heat of expressing anger no matter the reason behind it. Not all expressions of it are even offense per se. Some people might be having a bad day. Someone might be trying to pick of fight. Someone might be actively trying to derail a subject.

Asking if they're offended or providing a "in case I offended you" line can easily simply inflame the situation further. Unless they offer up that piece of information, you can't always navigate that situation.

What I'm hearing is that, ultimately, other people get carte blanche to use it as a weapon, if they want, and we have to simply accept it on an honor system that that's just how it is.

For my part I was just answering your question.

That's how I approach it. I wasn't suggesting that you have to do it that way. FWIW, what is lost? I don't feel that I'm silenced here on the forums - even if from time to time people grossly misunderstand what I've said and leap to some conclusion (sometimes the exact opposite of what I beleve). I just explain what I actually mean a couple of times and if they still don't get what I mean (or insist that I'm being rude or something) then I just leave it.

Maybe my post will get deleted, maybe the moderators will decide that I was fine and the other poster misunderstood. In the end, it doesn't really matter. From time to time I've had a post deleted and queried it. I've also flagged posts to see that they weren't removed. My boundaries aren't exactly the same as Paizo's but I don't see that as an issue. If they're close enough, this is the site for me. If they're too far apart, it isn't. If I feel really strongly about it, I can post a thread in Website feedback asking for a change in policy.

Can I ask what's wrong with "accepting it on an honor system"? What do you lose if you post something entirely innocently - someone takes offence, you can't explain to them what you actually meant and so you just stop talking to them? I don't really see why that's an issue (?) It's just two people not communicating very well - which is going to happen no matter what the board rules are, imo.


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Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
Browman wrote:
Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
Are there examples in Golarion of what might be considered Native American, Meso American or Hispanic cultures?
Not well developed yet. The continent of Arcadia is the Americas analog. There was a bit about it in Distant Shores and some hints elsewhere.
The lack of development then could be argued as a lack of inclusive ty to the fan base. There are members of these groups which play the game as well.
Surely it is a much better idea to have it stated that such an area exists and people are free to have characters from there than rush something that ends up being bad stereotypes. Much of the Africa and Asia analogs aren't terribly well developed either. And it is a fantasy setting, why does there even need to be an analog of every culture from earth?
Inclusive ty. Why are some groups included then and not others?

I think because they haven't got to them yet. They learned from doing Tian Xia that introducing a whole new continent is a massive imposition on company resources. It is inevitable that something has to come first and something has to come last. What they've done in the meantime is to build inclusivity in as much as they can from the start - with plans to do more when they can.

Also, of course, they have to balance both doing what they want and doing what sells. I know many at Paizo were dead-keen to develop Tian Xia and would like to do more, but it didn't sell as well as they would have liked. As such, they have to take another look at different ways to expand the world in a way that satisfies both their own standards and meets the demands of the market.

They have to do more than just make material they like - it has to be commercially successful as well.


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

Let us all come together as a community and do one of the *other* things that was mentioned above... which is police ourselves a little bit better, and *think* when we're posting how *we* would react if someone said something in a particular fashion to us.

Not to pick a fight, but to learn.

I think it's also worth thinking not just how we would react, but how the person we're replying to is likely to react.

I definitely have different styles for different posters and it doesn't take many interactions to learn their discussion style, in my experience. Some people like debating, others just like sharing different views. Some enjoy long, heavily quoted back-and-forth with lots of citations and evidence - others take that as an attempt to "prove them wrong". There's no harm in adjusting your approach to suit the person you're speaking with.


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IDTheftVictim wrote:
Chris Lambertz wrote:
Removed a post. Folks, not every question in these "Ask *Person* Anything" threads warrants an answer, please be respectful if the question answerer overlooks or decides not to answer a given question.
Is this the Chris you mentioned that needed hugs?

She deserves them, whether needed or not.


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Is underline a thing yet? [u] doesn't work...


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Buri Reborn wrote:
I will pose a question for anyone really, though I am particularly interested in what "Paizo"'s, as if it's a singular entity - heh, response to it. Let's say you are talking about something in perfectly good faith and someone comes along fundamentally misunderstanding and is subsequently incensed. How do you prescribe to go about a) pointing out the misunderstanding, b) resolving it, and c) somehow getting the discussion back on track?

I think in terms of how I'd approach it I'd try to spell out what I meant using language other than what the person was objecting to.

For example, I used to post on a philosophy site a lot and used to use Nazis as my example of unequivocal "baddies" that nobody would object to using. The regulars all just accepted it, but from time-to-time a newcomer would lambast me about "Godwinning" and claim that I was accusing the opposing side of being nazis or something (I've only ever posted on that site and this one, so I'm often clueless about such internet concepts).

My general approach was to ask them to identify some group they considered to be unequivocally awful and then rephrase my argument in terms of that group. I didn't see any gain from 'defending myself' from what the long-timers could see was a misunderstanding - I'd even apologise sometimes if the person was really, really upset about it.

It's pretty rare that you can't rephrase an argument in a way more palatable to your audience and on a public messageboard you'll sometimes get an audience you didn't expect.

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What if said person is inconsolable in their misunderstanding and refuses to acknowledge what you're talking about even after careful explanation or even acknowledges it but simply doesn't want it to be discussed?

That's it. No more; no less.

If someone refused to accept my apology, didn't reply to my reframing of the argument and just kept quoting the earlier statement and insisting it was insulting/out-of-line or something then I wouldn't engage with them any more.

I don't see any great need to persuade anyone of anything. My general approach around here is to reply to anyone who replies to me at least once. However, once I've said everything I intend to say (and perhaps had a couple of goes at explaining it) I am happy to leave them with the last word - even if it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the point I am trying to make. Ultimately, I post here to develop my own ideas - I don't see that I have any right nor obligation to change anyone else's mind, nor to correct them if I think they've misunderstood something.


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thejeff wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The person being offended is the one AND THE ONLY ONE who gets to decide if something is offensive.

If I say something that someone else finds offensive, and they tell me that I offended them, I don't get defensive. I apologize and adjust future speaking with the knowledge that the topic that someone just found offensive could be offensive to other people.

It works for me. I wish it worked for everyone.

To a certain point. As long as everyone involved is really playing fair.

Taking that approach too far makes it easy to weaponize offence. Some people find the presence of LGBTQ people in your products offensive. I do not think you should apologize and adjust future products to avoid offending them.

In terms of what this means in terms of posting here, I think it's worth bearing in mind that someone might be offended without anyone actually doing anything wrong. It's entirely predictable that misunderstandings or disagreements on what's "acceptable" will occur from time to time since we all come here with our own perspectives, views and prejudices. Similarly we have varying beliefs on what's acceptable language/tone, what topics are interesting and suitable for discussion and which should be off limits for a forum such as this.

I've had posts removed here for offending somebody else (or for being "jokes" which were outside of what Paizo are comfortable hosting). I think it's worth bearing in mind that such an action isn't an attack on me, nor an accusation that I was somehow obnoxious. It's just that there is a line here and there will be times it doesn't exactly correspond with my personal line.

Learning where those boundaries are is just part of participating in an internet forum. If Paizo's view on what's allowable is different from mine, that's not them telling me I'm wrong - it's just us learning if we're "compatible". (And if I want to get them to change, subforums like this are the way to go rather than stubbornly breaking the rues as some kind of "forum activist").


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I much prefer playing in a game where the DM is comfortable making a judgement on the fly. That's partly due to watching people argue with some things for ages and noting that once we go to the effort of digging out what the rulebook actually says, it turns out the success chance is within 5-10 percent of the off-the-cuff ruling anyhow.

In my view, the benefit from speed of play outweighs the occasional inconsistency since the DC is generally set by the DM anyhow. So if the ruling is out, just think of it as following the rules with a slightly different DC.


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That's an impressive "catch-up effort". Nice one. :)


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You really do have a dream job, don't you?

(And yes, that is jealousy - what of it?) :p


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Tell me you weren't a little bit tempted to try and work Ostog the Unslain in.


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Erik Mona wrote:
A lot of the rules I make for myself in how I go about this are, frankly, arbitrary, but trying to keep it close to the stuff the character actually has is a necessity for me.

Good call. It's probably inevitable (given the internet) that you'll miss something - but it's a laudable goal.

It's a subtle difference, but I think you want to avoid writing stories about "what Red Sonja would have been, if she'd been a pathfinder character".


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Awesome, Erik. Looking forward to watching some of your thinking and creative process. This blog series is going to make at least one nerd very, very happy. :)


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I'm always relaxed about sizing - it's visual impact I'm going for rather than tactical accuracy. the hill giantess evoked just the right look, IMO.

Your version of Big Bertha is pretty darn good too!


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How distressing - my group are likely to meet Mammy Graul next Wednesday. I doubt my case will be here by then, but that hill giant chieftain (chieftainess?) looks like a perfect figure for her. :/


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How does a novel get commissioned? Do you guys go to James Sutter with a story idea and pitch it to him, does he come to you? Does it generally start as something loose: "We want you to write a pirate novel" or is it more defined: "Here's a completish outline of the story we want written - note the goblin with a lisp in chapter four"?


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Wanted: Well done or medium rare.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
I know you said you're not here any more, but it's a solid question. While the details may not be identical, I'm partial to something similar to something that looks like what James Jacobs said to a similar question here. It also matters to me whether we're talking a spell that has an alignment descriptor because it does something particularly strong in that alignment vs those that don't; not all spells are created equal (protection from X is always the example mainly because it's a pretty wimpy aligned act, whereas the spell that tortures a trapped outsider to get bonuses to coercing it is more solidly so). Either way, whenever a rule says GM discretion with a rule of thumb, don't use that rule of thumb in situations where the rule of thumb produces bad results.

I really like this answer. My favorite bit was unpacking this:

"While the details may not be identical, I'm partial to something similar to something that looks like what James Jacobs said to a similar question.."

:)


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Will do - if I can read the damn things!

I can't understand why wizkids don't print the labels for D&D small/medium figures in white.


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My case is on its way. :)


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*Puppy dog eyes*


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Jiggy wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
I have no idea how viable this is, but it does appear that there is often resentment when a long post has been deleted – especially when it isn’t a problem on its own but is rather buried within a problematic series of posts or quotes one. Since it’s possible to retrieve such length posts, I’m presuming that a “deleted” post is actually still visible to moderators. If it were possible to make it still visible to the person who posted it (but perhaps in green or something to save confusion) that would make it easy to salvage the lost material. I realise this would allow people to just cut-and-paste deleted posts back in immediately, however perhaps there could be two categories – hidden (from everyone but moderators and the poster) and deleted (as it exists currently) if you thought that was a risk? Or maybe this could combine with the earlier point and “green” users could see their deleted posts but amber/red users couldn’t?

Here's an alternative idea:

So, you know how people's profiles already have multiple tabs (Aliases, Posts, Favorites, Favorited by Others, etc)? What if there were another tab, called something like "Moderated Posts", wherein were listed all the posts that user had made that were later deleted by the moderators? (Obviously, this tab would only be viewable by that user, not by just any passerby who checked out their profile.)

This actually addresses several issues:

• "Casualty posts" (long, good posts that got deleted because of one line or because of being a reply to an offending post) can have their contents easily retrieved without having to contact a moderator to ask for the text. Less work for both parties.

• There's already an issue that folks don't always follow along closely enough to realize that their posts were deleted, and therefore they have no reason to alter their future behavior because they don't know anything's wrong. The presence of a "Moderated Posts" tab in their profile still isn't much, but it's at least an extra...

Yeah, lumping moderated threads in their own tab is superior to leaving them as is, but visible to the poster.

I was considering what could be done without imposing additional work on the community team (so tried to describe how I imagine it is now). I think your idea has significant improvements though.

The bonus round idea does sound like too much work for too little payoff, in my view. The times people don't know why it happened are pretty rare, IMO. granted it takes some time to learn "how things are done" but I don't think it's going to be reduced much without turning each moderation explanation into an essay. As it is, I think a brief account will invite lots of mini-debates from moderated users - which could easily add a pile of work to the community team.


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wraithstrike wrote:

I don't think any one answer will make everyone happy, but I do think a more objective set of guidelines or rules might be needed.

The "don't be a jerk" rule is not really clear because sometimes people don't see what they are doing as bad.

This might lead to the members cutting back on snarky comments, which are sometimes made as joke vs trying to be insulting, but I'm ok with that if it leads to a more orderly environment.

Part of the reason for starting this thread was to try to divorce it somewhat from a specific instance and just have a constructive chat about 'things which might be a good idea'. So I fully expect to hear perspectives quite different from mine.

However, I strongly support the subjective nature of paizo's community guidelines - especially since the incidence of banning/silencing is really quite low (ie they cut people a lot of slack whilst new users learn what's acceptable and what isn't).

I've posted on another forum with extremely rigid, objectively spelled out rules and we had a user arrive who was a master at needling within the rules so as to provoke action outside the rules. Whilst the oldtimers who all ended up banned were responsible for their own actions - it became this game with the newcomer to provoke people and absolutely destroyed the community over time.

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