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Me too. Some have arrived, so fingers crossed the rest are imminent. :)


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Greyhawk, Lankhmar (in on a technicality), Planescape.


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EDIT: the following has got mild spoilers for the serpent's skull AP. not enough to warrant a spoiler tag, in my view, but if you don't want to know anything serpents skull-ey it's probably best not to read this post..

I'd recommend getting Souls for Smuggler's Shiv even if you weren't going to use the whole AP - it's one of the best first instalments ever, in my opinion. The PCs stay on the island throughout the first module, so I think there'd be plenty there. There are sites to explore, encounters (both civilised and animal) and a backstory that you could easily tweak away from the rest of the AP and towards whatever you wanted to happen next.

When I ran it, I was using Dungeon Crawl Classics rules rather than pathfinder so it was a little more lighthearted than what you seem to be shooting for. nonetheless, the players began with next to nothing except or what they could scavenge from shipwrecks (or found scattered around the beach). I used Paizo's item cards to randomise what they found in ruined huts or shipwrecks (similar to your scavenge rolls, where greater success just meant you got to draw more cards). It was a great spur to creativity too when the entirety of "party treasure" was a ladder, a mirror, a coil of rope and an anchor.

The paucity of weapons meant they were initially armed with shovels, knives and boathooks (and a musket firing marbles eventually though that probably doesn't fit the mood you're going for).

It worked really well for us, though the system did push us towards humorous/silly, as opposed to gritty survivalist. I still think there's the bare bones of a brilliant gruelling/isolated adventure. James Jacobs did a simply amazing job and I'd be confident you'd find some inspiration there even though the beginning isn't quite what you're going for (for example: the PCs retrieve their equipment pretty early, so they don't need to make spell books and so forth - I just ignored that bit though). I think it's the best sandbox adventure paizo have ever done (granted the sandbox is constrained to one island).


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KazMx wrote:
I have a question. Is this for the beginners box? The style that is showed in the catalog seems to hint at it. What relationship will it have with the Core and the Box? Halfway-point or is this just a friendly version of the Core?

I'm thinking of it as a "how to use the CRB" book. Aimed at people moving from the BB to the full game or just people playing the full game who are intimidated/confused/frustrated by the CRB's density. It's definitely not a standalone product (so not a friendly version of core) but rather one to use alongside the PF core.

I haven't actually seen it yet, of course. Nonetheless, that's my impression from what vic and others have said.


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Kudaku wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

By the way, have you seen the beginner box? I think it's one of the best products paizo have ever done and is actually geared towards introducing new players to pathfinder (in contrast to the strategy guide). The care they took producing that product really shines through, in my opinion.

I figure the "intended" progression will be: start with the beginner box, use the included transitions document to move up to the CRB when the group is ready and then have the strategy guide on standby to help really explore the ins and outs of developing your character.

I think the beginner box is brilliant! It's everything I want the strategy guide to be - clear, concise, loaded with cool art, very rookie-friendly and it is extremely good at avoiding dense rules sections.

The only nitpick I have is that I wish it gradually introduced the full set of rules rather than skipping some of them and leaving them for later - introducing Attacks of Opportunity when the players are used to being able to move freely can be jarring. I'd also really like it if it gradually introduced combat maneuvers and how monsters interact with them - grab in particular.

Have you seen the transitions document? It's a free download and included in the new printing of the Beginner Box.

I think that's an excellent 'facilitator' between the Beginner Box and the CRB for gradually introducing things. Granted it's always going to be a bit of a shock, but I think it's an excellent resource.


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By the way, have you seen the beginner box? I think it's one of the best products paizo have ever done and is actually geared towards introducing new players to pathfinder (in contrast to the strategy guide). The care they took producing that product really shines through, in my opinion.

I figure the "intended" progression will be: start with the beginner box, use the included transitions document to move up to the CRB when the group is ready and then have the strategy guide on standby to help really explore the ins and outs of developing your character.


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englishteacherdrew wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

Jeez. I agree with you englishteacherdrew, but do you have to call those who don't dishonest? Sometimes people disagree.

If you want to lobby for a revised CRB, this product page is not the place. The horse has clearly bolted on this one.

Also, I disagree. This is precisely the place to make the case for a new CRB. The devs actively read these posts (again, much to their credit) and keep an active relationship going with their community. Since the argument has not been made elsewhere (at least not to my knowledge) then the Strategy Guide makes a particularly good forum with which to implore Paizo.

This thread is for discussing the strategy guide and your suggestions/comments arent really about that (or only tangentially, anyhow). The ideas you raise have been discussed many times before and there's a fair bit of support for them (plus a fair bit of disagreement). I'd suggest the Paizo Publishing General Discussion, Paizo Products or the Pathfinder RPG General Discussion forums.


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englishteacherdrew wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

Jeez. I agree with you englishteacherdrew, but do you have to call those who don't dishonest? Sometimes people disagree.

If you want to lobby for a revised CRB, this product page is not the place. The horse has clearly bolted on this one.

My apologies, but can you please show me where I called someone "dishonest". Question the logic of others' reasonings and the quality of their arguments, perhaps, but I have re-read my posts just to be sure and I do not see where I called someone dishonest. Clarification would be appreciated.

Thank you.

"The bottom line is - whether die hard fans want to be honest and admit it or not - that the Pathfinder Core Rulebook is a mess."


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Erosthenes wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

Read about confirmation bias.

This one kind of works.

No link - can you repost it plz?

It was an aside rather than a link. Nonetheless, discarding a long held Internet discussion belief of mine, here's a Wikipedia page of interest.


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Jeez. I agree with you englishteacherdrew, but do you have to call those who don't dishonest? Sometimes people disagree.

If you want to lobby for a revised CRB, this product page is not the place. The horse has clearly bolted on this one.


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Read about confirmation bias.

This one kind of works.


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The OP should read the description on paizo.com too - they sell some untainted figures which need assembly but are displayed on the site as painted. It's just how things are generally done in that market - not necessarily a site specific thing.


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Yeah, that's my first impression too.

I think those who enjoy the game-within-a-game of building a character and getting it "just so" will not be satisfied with the broad strokes approach that 5E takes. I'd expect them to find character building kind of trivial (like going back to the quadratic formula after learning group theory).

It's too early to really say, of course - maybe there's a truckload of splatbooks on the way. Nonetheless, I could imagine someone like that expressing it "5E doesn't suit my play style".


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That's what hypothetical means. :p

I deliberately steered away from an actual game example. It was an in principle comment - the game rules can make a particular game style unattractive so that, for some at least, they won't bother trying what they would in other games.

For a hopefully noncontroversial example: early editions of shadowrun were absolutely deadly. If you didn't do you homework but played a more "kick in the door, guns blazing" style then you were pretty much going to lose. Someone who didn't like the thinking, researching, planning and coordinating parts of RPGs would probably feel the game didn't cater to their needs very well.

I've seen comments about not liking the character creation part of 5E due to enjoying systems with a myriad of options in character creation. I think it's fair to say that 5E doesn't cater well to the people who enjoy spending hours combing through rule books and parsing hundreds of potential options for the exact mechanical widget which will bring their character to life. That may change over time, but it doesn't seem like it to me - the focus during character generation in 5E seems quite different than 4E/PF (to me, anyway).


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Diffan wrote:
I really don't see any difference in playstyle or how players approach the game from a system's stand point. I've been running the playtest in the same manner I've run 3e, PF, 4e, and played in AD&D. Rules and tactics change a bit, sure, but to me there's been no significant difference in playstyle.

I kind of agree - I play pretty much every game the same way. Nonetheless, I can see how system can have an impact for some people - to create a hypothetical example:

If a system provides explicit rules for combat maneuvers and if those are always worse than a standard melee attack, then people will be unlikely to utilise them. In a looser game where the DM will adjudicate the desired action it's easier (as in the players will accept it more readily) to tweak the resolution mechanic so that players will sometimes choose the flashy move and sometimes wont. That's certainly been our experience anyhow.


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MMCJawa wrote:
correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the "teams" were focused on development and creating product, but that they editors were shared between them?

That's what I always thought too. I dont remember anything definitive though, perhaps that was just my assumption. On thinking about it, it would make sense for some editors to be 'rules specialists' and others to be 'Golarion lore specialists'.


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That's a good point about the pace of release, Kalvit.


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Haldir wrote:
I understand the need for fully painted, fully assembled minis that you just can plop down onto the map & go but if you can't do a simple installation such as putting a post into a hole well.......

Craft isnt my strong suit. I can click stuff together (like the Runleord Statue), but if glue is involved (like the Dracolich) it's a frustrating experience with a suboptimal result.


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I assumed englishteacherdrew was referring to the Hero's Handbook from the Beginner Box. Although the Strategy Guide isnt going to help understand that book very much, as I understand it - it's targetted at users of the Core Rulebook (which is the other book englishteacherdrew was probably referring to).

There isn't a player's handbook (to finally get around to answering your question).


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Part of the issue, for me at least, is that paizo are so forthcoming and transparent. That means I get spoilt somewhat and when things go wrong without it being immediately obvious, it seems much worse than it is.

I fully appreciate I'm not owed an explanation but paizo in general (and vic in particular) are always so willing to discuss the ins and outs of their industry, I have developed a certain sense of (over)entitlement.

Also - without S&S to play with, I have to do something right?


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Im generally pretty supportive of gaming companies mike, but we're forced to read between the lines. (Or maybe not forced to, but its hard not to).

It did sound like the printer kept telling paizo the cards were imminent when they actually weren't. That was ultimately the source of all the angst, it seems to me. I don't think we would have been as collectively grumpy if whoever was responsible had 'fessed up as soon as they knew the extent of the delay.

I'd dearly love to find out it was some multinational freight company who messed everyone around, but someone, somewhere kept saying "they'll be there tomorrow" when they knew they wouldn't be - whoever that is doesn't really feel like they're on my side.

I'll freely admit I have scant information (so ill take your word for it that Carta Mundi aren't the villain here), but one doesn't stop trying to understand what happened just because of that.


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I guess it's not going to be settled by popular vote. Nonetheless, fwiw, I'd much prefer the minis to be completely assembled at the factory wherever possible.


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The best place to discuss moderation decisions is in the website feedback subforum.

Back-and-forth with a moderator about what 'edition war' means (and whether "pointing out dualities" and then commenting on the motivations/proclivities of one of those identified groups counts as such) is rarely fruitful or on-topic.


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Yeah, me too. I was thinking about the complicated ones (like monsters with classes and so forth). I don't do a full on conversion, but just make sure some of the flavour comes through.


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I'm not sure - I find it very easy to convert PF monsters to S&W, I just make sure the "key feature" of the monster is translated. At higher levels you'd have to do something about the hit points, over 100hp is enormous in S&W.


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Hi erik.

Just to confuse things I replied to your email as well as here (plus I sent you an u solicited pm). Hopefully I said basically the same thing in each. :p

Cheers
Steve


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I didn't notice this when you posted it, but I've also had some issues navigating my way through the "new look" order process. It could use some tweaking - I especially like the final idea of always clicking through all the steps. Even if I never change my shipping options, it would be nice to be reminded that I could.


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I reckon you're right.


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I can understand the frustration - Ive had years of fantastic customer service, but if my first paizo transaction had been in the last few weeks it would have made me think twice about dealing directly with them too.

As a forum regular, I'm aware of the issues besieging the customer service staff, but if you were a new or infrequent customer who placed an order and then sent a few emails and left a few phone messages it would be easy to be cynical and/or form a negative opinion about the company.

That's just the nature of first impressions - they're not always accurate, but they're hard to avoid. :(


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Buri wrote:

The gripe I've seen about the older editions is that they're not actively developed. That's also the big grip about sticking with Pathfinder as it is now if Paizo does a new version. I'm curious how that matters regardless of edition. Have those folks really exhausted all the adventures each system has to offer?

I've been dedicated to Pathfinder for the past 3 years exclusively and lesser so back to beta. I haven't done even half their APs or one off modules and next to none of the PFS seasons.

It makes me scratch my head. Can they only ever have the latest and greatest? That's honestly where I put them mentally, and that's just entitlement to which I give zero credence.

I've got more gaming material than I'm ever going to need - that's not why I like support material.

If the system I'm playing has regular output then it helps keep me excited by and engaged with it.

I've kind of compromised at the moment - I play other games but base them all in Golarion using Paizo adventures. Nonetheless, in my perfect world, Paizo's APs would all be written for Swords and Wizardry (even though it wouldnt actually change what I do on Wednesday nights at all - I'd keep running the same adventures I do now with the same ruleset).

I dont really see that as entitlement - I'm not making any demands, just noticing that I prefer it when a game is actively supported.


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Hi Erik

If you can change them all to be USPS priority (and perhaps merge those that could conveniently be merged), I'd appreciate it.

As to what caused the mixup - my thought was that Standard shipping was being used as a default when orders got split or when some items were preorders and some in stock.

If you dont think that's how it works, I wouldnt put too much effort into trying to replicate the problem - I'd have to put my money on user error (presumably I selected standard postal delivery for some reason). I'll keep a closer eye in future and ensure I'm always selecting USPS.

Cheers
Steve


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Could I suggest paizo consider disabling the "my subscriptions" page during subscription runs? (At least until it doesn't get so confused, anyhow).

Obviously the current month is worse than usual, but every month there are numerous posts (and presumably emails and phone calls) from people struggling to make sense of the schedule as it jumps around, "postpones" stuff and this month seems to be double counting everything.

The little "this may be displaying in accurately" message doesn't seem to help much - maybe if it just displayed a list of active subscriptions and a link to our "order history" page it would cut down on the angst.


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blahpers wrote:
FINE I'LL JUST HOUSE RULE IT BACK

We didnt need to houserule stuff like this back in the early edition messageboards.


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Hi paizo people.

I realise this week is not the best time to be asking for corner cases to be looked into, but I did think I'd mention this issue, recently raised in the website forum again since it's come up in the recent kerfuffle and perhaps when the dust has settled you might be able to go back and look at orders: 3189883, 3206195 and whichever order had the PACG mat - I can't seem to find it in my order history. I had figured that the last two would have gone with my subscription shipment, but they seemed to have been treated individually.

I really want the system to default to USPS priority all the time. Generally it does that, but every now and again when a package is split, the computer seems to decide to send some of them priority and some via a cheaper method - my main problem is that cheaper often means both slower and handled with less care.

It's not really a huge deal except that often it's the collector edition comics which are being singled out for standard mail - and those are pretty much the only ones I actually care about getting here in as-pristine-condition-as-possible, although I want everything as quickly as possible.

One possible source of error (either mine or the computer's) is when I've placed a preorder or backorder. It seems to me that those orders often end up going standard mail, even though whenever given the chance, I try and select USPS priority.

I realise you've got more pressing things on your minds at the moment, but I'd appreciate it if someone could have a look at the above orders sometime and see if I've done something wrong or if the computer is not handling things as it should. I didnt used to have this issue before the most recent website upgrade, but since then it's happened probably half a dozen times.

Cheers
Steve


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Thanks for the heads up - I'll unpack thoroughly!


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I like it as it is, but I find the concept of a 'poor' ruleset to be difficult to define sensibly so I like most games as they are - I just dont want to play many of them.


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Who's going to tell them?


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Paizo is carrying being inclusive to the extreme. Even jerks are welcome now. :)


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Catalog link for the lazy.


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Just to buck the trend:

You'd best leave mine for the computer, Sara, my account is a right mess at the moment. I've got so many preorders/back orders/pending orders... It'd be annoying to go through all that if one were recovering from con crud. ;)

I figure we can sort it out in a week or two when all this is a bad memory...


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I'm glad I'm not the only one (I don't usually get much support for the idea). :)

The problem we run into is that for most people cost is paramount and for most people the options paizo provide are cheaper than the corresponding DHL service (that's not true for priority, international shipping but I think that's a pretty small segment if the market). Paizo also get volume discounts, so if they just increase the number of shipping options then everyone pays more - that might suit me, but it wouldn't make me popular at parties. :p


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You'll probably get a CS person check into it for you soon anyhow (just to be sure) - however they're absolutely snowed under at the moment, so it might take a while.

I'd recommend giving this thread a bump in a few days if you don't see any movement in your order or a reply here from someone who can actually look at the specific items in question.


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Ilpalazo wrote:

Im actually not even frustrated or upset with Paizo over the add-on deck thing. There's not much you can do about printer issues once they happen, you can only work with them to ensure they don't happen again.

They're doing the best they can in a crappy situation, and a sense of perspective is important here, this is the end of august already and in a matter of a few weeks everyone should be playing the game. I'm just puzzled about why this subscription service consistently feels like such a bad bargain to me, but different strokes for different folks.

I think the bolded part is the key thing. Paizo's subscriptions offer various stated benefits and that isn't what everyone is looking for. They've repeatedly stressed that they don't mind what distribution channel you use - paizo want and expect people to make whatever decision is best for their personal situation.

They are balancing a lot of things given their dual role as publisher and web store - one issue I haven't seen raised in this thread is Paizo's recognition of the importance of the FLGS. They obviously could offer their own products at savage discount to retail, but don't do that so as not to undercut FLGSes. The only discounts they provide in an ongoing fashion are for subscribers (and its really more compensation for shipping costs). Similarly, they could get us our goodies early each month - but that would be a crappy thing to do to brick and mortar stores.


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No worries, thanks bill. :)

Can't wait (though Barakus is very much just a teaser for me...Sword of Air is getting so close!)


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It means you ordered the last one - there should be one set aside for you. The only time I've had an issue with this is with non-paizo items (and even then, only rarely).

Having said that, if you just placed the order you wont have paid for it yet. What you'll probably see on your credit card at the moment is a hold of funds for a proportion of the order (ie not the full amount). That will disappear in a few days and the full price will charge when the package ships. Unfortunately, if your bank is like mine, it won't distinguish between a hold and an actual charge - the only difference is that the amount is less than the full order's price.


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Yeah, me too. DHL offer a far superior service, in my experience (at least for large packages sent express from the US to Australia) - cheaper, quicker and with tracking.

I nag vic about it roughly annually (and he explains why it's no good for them). I'm hoping things will change eventually.


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It's kind of a nitty point, but just to be clear in case someone misunderstands and spends money they didn't mean to - paizo don't offer free PDFs for a generic purchase of a book, it has to be purchased through a subscription.

For example - as a subscriber to the module line, when a new module comes out I get a hard copy and a PDF - if I back order one of the older modules, I just get the hard copy.


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Should I be worried if I havent seen any shipping emails from FGG for the last few weeks (For either Barakus or the Subs)? I'm hoping that's just an international shipping thing.. :(


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I'm content to be drip-fed information.


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I seem to remember that I used to be able to set USPS Priority Mail as my default option but since the most recent website upgrade, the site seems to automatically default to the cheapest possible.

I can change it manually, but I've had some situations (I think) where I placed an order with a couple of items shipping USPS Priority and when one was delayed for some reason the rest of the order shipped standard mail.

I'd like to be able to tell the system to default to quickest possible, even though I'll adjust it from time to time. Can I still do that?

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