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Grumpus wrote:

Would it make sense to occasionally sprinkle in 3-volume APs amongst the usual 6-volume ones?

If you look through the messageboard posts on the individual books, it seems volumes 5 & 6 just dont get as much play. Mummys mask book 5 has just 21 posts. And book 6 has only 13. This leads me to think that a lot of people start APs but rarely get to the ends of them.

If paizo were to insert shorter APs of 3 books in length. They could cover more of the world, they could start these at different levels. And not every story would have to be epic.

I just finished a 4 year campaign of rise of the runelords and the thought of another 4-year investment in a new AP is a bit daunting. But maybe just a 3-book series would be more reasonable.

This has come up a lot over the years (although not for a little while, I think).

There are a couple of reasons commonly cited for why 3-part APs are unlikely:

The first is that the first and last episodes of an AP are the ones which take the most work. Groundwork needs to be laid and loose-ends need to be neatly tied up. That means that producing two three-part APs is considerably more work than one six-part AP. Hence there is a limit imposed by staff time and other such resources.

Another is a natural conservatism when it comes to Paizo's flagship product (which the APs used to be and which I presume they still are). The company has done very well over the last several years based in large part on the success of the "two six-part APs per year" model. Whilst it is likely that deviating from that wouldn't be calamitous, the more and more central to one's operations something is, the greater the risk with tinkering with it. The AP subscription used to be described as "what keeps the lights on and pays the wages" - now that's probably changed somewhat over the years, but I suspect it's still a really important part of their business model. As such, the risk of it tanking for a year or two, even if minuscule, has the potential to do significant damage to the business in terms of cash-flow, profitability, certainty, etcetera.

At one point, I heard the idea mooted that if they were to try tinkering with the AP model it would likely be in a far less significant way - something like trying a five-part AP and a seven-part AP one year or something (there are also people who feel APs are too short, so this would have the advantage of keeping more customers happy - plus the people who want longer APs are less likely to cancel in the face of a single 5-part AP than they would be if they saw a couple of 3-part APs come onto the schedule.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:

Okay, so now we're bringing up "certain subjects". I can't argue an infinity of hypotheticals. Are we talking about dead baby jokes on a thread about abortion? Because that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm also not talking about trolling, which is arguably just as close to knightnday's preferred style of post (on-topic arguing) as it is to mine (off-topic silliness). After all, people involved in on-topic arguments bait each other all the time. It's basically the #2 reason threads go downhill around here. :P

For my part, I have no problem with people injecting humor into a thread if that's what they want to use it for. If I'm not in the mood, I don't reply (and just scroll past the people who are being lighthearted if I'm reading other people's more "serious" posts). I think that's just part and parcel of a public conversation. In a crowd of people all talking about stuff, you're not going to be interested in what everyone else is saying.

Having said that, I don't think the people doing so should operate under the assumption that it has no impact on those of us not participating in the witticisms. It can be annoying or irritating - for example, it makes it harder to scroll back and read a few posts, since the fifty post per page limit is now being partly filled with banter rather than on-topic discussion. When the topic gets sufficiently in depth, I quite often want to go back and read large posts from earlier (since we can't keep quoting indefinitely).

EDIT: To keep this more focussed on moderation, I'll make the non-comment that I think Paizo's community team are pretty spot-on in weeding out off-topic comments whilst still leaving room for the community to play around. They allow it to wander if that seems to suit the "mood" of the thread and keep things more tightly focussed when that seems to be what the participants are looking for. As far as subjectiveness goes, I don't think you can get much more judgement based than "how much jokiness is allowed" yet I very rarely see complaints about this sort of moderation. So thumbs up Chris, Sara, (Liz) and co.


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knightnday wrote:
Jiggy wrote:

Aren't we drifting a bit from the topic of forum moderation with this whole "who's offended and why" thing?

Yes, sometimes a person is legitimately offended and the speaker needs to adjust their behavior, so we can't just dump all the power in the hands of the speaker.

Yes, sometimes a person claims to be offended in an effort to silence the speaker's opinion, so we can't just dump all the power in the hands of the listener.

Yes, sometimes a person is offended and the speaker claims that the cry of offense is just an attempt to silence the speaker's opinion, but really it's the speaker trying to silence the opinion of the listener, so I clearly can't choose the wine in front of me.

Isn't that part of why we have moderators in the first place? Remember when this thread was about coming up with ways to improve the methods and/or tools of the moderation team on this particular forum?

From the looks of it, trust seems to be the main issue; not just trust with the moderators, but trust with your fellow poster not to try to twist things against you.

How do you fix an issue of trust?

Don't talk with people you don't trust to have an honest conversation.

FWIW, I think the "people are lying about being offended" thing is being blown way out of proportion.


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D@rK-SePHiRoTH- wrote:

Players

Designers

Publishers

I wouldn't put that on your application..


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Berk the Black wrote:
Turn those pesky poeces of furniture into something more to your liking! I'm game if anyone wants to unload their unwanted dungeon dressings!

If you're at Paizocon next year, I plan on bringing my dungeon dressing stuff to the Monday night mini-swapmeet.


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Zelda Marie Lupescu wrote:
So, who else finds this answer annoying and on the other foot, who here thinks it's a 100% valid answer (to all or just some questions?)

I sometimes find it annoying - especially when the question is more "I'm looking for a range of views, since this is obviously a subjective area". In other words, when it is obviously not meant to be "What is the 100% indisputable answer" but rather just "what do you think?"

The times I think it's valid is when people think the topic they've asked does have a 100% indisputable answer and the responder thinks it's in the hands of the DM (ie pretty much any alignment query or similar). There are some questions in which the rules are deliberately and openly subjective, so looking to the forums for a definitive answer is probably misguided.


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Black Dow wrote:

Monty - I'm stepping out of the running on this one - just been accepted into a Jade Regent game so my dance card is full, and based on the pitches thus far your job will be a difficult one.

Some great players in this group - enjoy the game, will follow your progress from the sidelines :)

Cheers

BD

Thanks for the notice, Black Dow. And congratulations on getting into the game - one of the annoying parts of PBP is getting excited for a game and then not getting picked. Grab the chance when you can. :)

I'll update the list in a little while - my computer is in for repairs so I'm on my phone. Not my favourite for cutting and pasting..


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Marco Massoudi wrote:

Erik, i think you're great.

Sorry if i sometimes come over as Mr. know-it-all, you certainly know more about PFB than i do. ;-)

But it's pretty close.


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William Hunsley wrote:

I will interested in offering up William (a Human Fighter) for this campaign.

4d6 ⇒ (4,6,2,4) = 16 = 14
4d6 ⇒ (5,1,3,2) = 11 = 10
4d6 ⇒ (1,4,2,5) = 12 = 11
4d6 ⇒ (3,2,4,4) = 13 = 11
4d6 ⇒ (3,4,1,3) = 11 = 10
4d6 ⇒ (5,1,2,1) = 9 = 8

I am a beginner to the whole RPG thing so if I am doing something wrong here then please tell me.

Hi William. You're welcome (and haven't done anything wrong, so far!)

However, it's worth noting that this is a fifth edition D&D game. From your other posts, I wonder if you'd rather find a Pathfinder game? In my opinion, if you're learning RPGs you'd be best off sticking with one system for a while before dabbling in others - the risk being you'll end up muddling rules from different games together.

That said, you're on the list - let me know though if you decide to withdraw and stick with pathfinder.

Personal opinion:
5E D&D is an easier system to learn - if you're totally new to RPGs it might be a good place to start.

Pathfinder is much more popular around these parts - as you can see, PBPs tend to get lots of applications for four or five spots. It's likely you'd be more successful earlier if you were applying for Pathfinder games.

Just things to think about. :)


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WormysQueue wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Cheers. I don't think I've ever seen that happen - I can see it's a theoretical possibility, but I've never seen anyone claim offense where I didn't really believe they were offended.

Oh, I've had pointed out to me more than once that sometimes my posts are felt as being offensive when the only thing I try to do is to be as concise and exact as possible. And when I asked what exactly I had done wrong, the only answer was that the offended people got the vibe from my post that I was too convinced that I was right.

Which is why I normally try to be extra careful not to speak in absolutes but that (and other things happening here in Germany) is also why I don't share JJ's sentiment that only the people feeling offended have the right to define what's an offense and what's not. Because I see some of them use this on a daily basis to try and shut you down.

Someone can be offended by something we've said even though we didn't intend any harm.

I think James's point was that the fact you didn't mean to upset them doesn't mean they're not really offended. Nor does it mean we get to argue with them about whether they "should" be offended. "Offense" is something subjective.

FWIW,the bolded sounds like you're essentially following the same strategy anyhow.


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Your commitment to making a point is impressive.


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BLloyd607502 wrote:

My GM has changed systems midway through a game from Pathfinder to 5E, the character I'm playing is fairly non-standard and I have never played 5E before.

I have no idea how to create him, we're going to probably suffer a huge hit in ability meaning some of the things he'd done previously make no sense and a bunch of his equipment is now basically vestigial fluff. I can totally sympathize with him wanting to switch systems but I have no idea how to bring him across and I can't complain since the rest of the party are also pretty down with it and it might help a game that was going incredibly slowly speed up and smooth out.

But, a character I really enjoyed playing and don't really want to retire might end up mechanically not viable, as in I literally cannot make him.

I sympathise.

I always figure it's better to stop the campaign midway and start again if the group wants to switch systems. It's hard enough to ditch the mindset of one RPG and adopt the new one - it makes it harder still when you're trying to keep everything else "the same". Plus you'll keep getting hit by things you used to do but now can't - that's not going to help you like the new system. Fingers crossed it works out for you.

My unsolicited suggestion is to retire the PC and bring a new PC in with the new system.


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Buri Reborn wrote:

I'm curious, then, how do we help identify offense? Just as we can be unclear in our speech, so can someone in the heat of expressing anger no matter the reason behind it. Not all expressions of it are even offense per se. Some people might be having a bad day. Someone might be trying to pick of fight. Someone might be actively trying to derail a subject.

Asking if they're offended or providing a "in case I offended you" line can easily simply inflame the situation further. Unless they offer up that piece of information, you can't always navigate that situation.

What I'm hearing is that, ultimately, other people get carte blanche to use it as a weapon, if they want, and we have to simply accept it on an honor system that that's just how it is.

For my part I was just answering your question.

That's how I approach it. I wasn't suggesting that you have to do it that way. FWIW, what is lost? I don't feel that I'm silenced here on the forums - even if from time to time people grossly misunderstand what I've said and leap to some conclusion (sometimes the exact opposite of what I beleve). I just explain what I actually mean a couple of times and if they still don't get what I mean (or insist that I'm being rude or something) then I just leave it.

Maybe my post will get deleted, maybe the moderators will decide that I was fine and the other poster misunderstood. In the end, it doesn't really matter. From time to time I've had a post deleted and queried it. I've also flagged posts to see that they weren't removed. My boundaries aren't exactly the same as Paizo's but I don't see that as an issue. If they're close enough, this is the site for me. If they're too far apart, it isn't. If I feel really strongly about it, I can post a thread in Website feedback asking for a change in policy.

Can I ask what's wrong with "accepting it on an honor system"? What do you lose if you post something entirely innocently - someone takes offence, you can't explain to them what you actually meant and so you just stop talking to them? I don't really see why that's an issue (?) It's just two people not communicating very well - which is going to happen no matter what the board rules are, imo.


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Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
Browman wrote:
Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Bennybeck Wabbittracks wrote:
Are there examples in Golarion of what might be considered Native American, Meso American or Hispanic cultures?
Not well developed yet. The continent of Arcadia is the Americas analog. There was a bit about it in Distant Shores and some hints elsewhere.
The lack of development then could be argued as a lack of inclusive ty to the fan base. There are members of these groups which play the game as well.
Surely it is a much better idea to have it stated that such an area exists and people are free to have characters from there than rush something that ends up being bad stereotypes. Much of the Africa and Asia analogs aren't terribly well developed either. And it is a fantasy setting, why does there even need to be an analog of every culture from earth?
Inclusive ty. Why are some groups included then and not others?

I think because they haven't got to them yet. They learned from doing Tian Xia that introducing a whole new continent is a massive imposition on company resources. It is inevitable that something has to come first and something has to come last. What they've done in the meantime is to build inclusivity in as much as they can from the start - with plans to do more when they can.

Also, of course, they have to balance both doing what they want and doing what sells. I know many at Paizo were dead-keen to develop Tian Xia and would like to do more, but it didn't sell as well as they would have liked. As such, they have to take another look at different ways to expand the world in a way that satisfies both their own standards and meets the demands of the market.

They have to do more than just make material they like - it has to be commercially successful as well.


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IDTheftVictim wrote:
Chris Lambertz wrote:
Removed a post. Folks, not every question in these "Ask *Person* Anything" threads warrants an answer, please be respectful if the question answerer overlooks or decides not to answer a given question.
Is this the Chris you mentioned that needed hugs?

She deserves them, whether needed or not.


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Buri Reborn wrote:
I will pose a question for anyone really, though I am particularly interested in what "Paizo"'s, as if it's a singular entity - heh, response to it. Let's say you are talking about something in perfectly good faith and someone comes along fundamentally misunderstanding and is subsequently incensed. How do you prescribe to go about a) pointing out the misunderstanding, b) resolving it, and c) somehow getting the discussion back on track?

I think in terms of how I'd approach it I'd try to spell out what I meant using language other than what the person was objecting to.

For example, I used to post on a philosophy site a lot and used to use Nazis as my example of unequivocal "baddies" that nobody would object to using. The regulars all just accepted it, but from time-to-time a newcomer would lambast me about "Godwinning" and claim that I was accusing the opposing side of being nazis or something (I've only ever posted on that site and this one, so I'm often clueless about such internet concepts).

My general approach was to ask them to identify some group they considered to be unequivocally awful and then rephrase my argument in terms of that group. I didn't see any gain from 'defending myself' from what the long-timers could see was a misunderstanding - I'd even apologise sometimes if the person was really, really upset about it.

It's pretty rare that you can't rephrase an argument in a way more palatable to your audience and on a public messageboard you'll sometimes get an audience you didn't expect.

Quote:

What if said person is inconsolable in their misunderstanding and refuses to acknowledge what you're talking about even after careful explanation or even acknowledges it but simply doesn't want it to be discussed?

That's it. No more; no less.

If someone refused to accept my apology, didn't reply to my reframing of the argument and just kept quoting the earlier statement and insisting it was insulting/out-of-line or something then I wouldn't engage with them any more.

I don't see any great need to persuade anyone of anything. My general approach around here is to reply to anyone who replies to me at least once. However, once I've said everything I intend to say (and perhaps had a couple of goes at explaining it) I am happy to leave them with the last word - even if it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the point I am trying to make. Ultimately, I post here to develop my own ideas - I don't see that I have any right nor obligation to change anyone else's mind, nor to correct them if I think they've misunderstood something.


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thejeff wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:

The person being offended is the one AND THE ONLY ONE who gets to decide if something is offensive.

If I say something that someone else finds offensive, and they tell me that I offended them, I don't get defensive. I apologize and adjust future speaking with the knowledge that the topic that someone just found offensive could be offensive to other people.

It works for me. I wish it worked for everyone.

To a certain point. As long as everyone involved is really playing fair.

Taking that approach too far makes it easy to weaponize offence. Some people find the presence of LGBTQ people in your products offensive. I do not think you should apologize and adjust future products to avoid offending them.

In terms of what this means in terms of posting here, I think it's worth bearing in mind that someone might be offended without anyone actually doing anything wrong. It's entirely predictable that misunderstandings or disagreements on what's "acceptable" will occur from time to time since we all come here with our own perspectives, views and prejudices. Similarly we have varying beliefs on what's acceptable language/tone, what topics are interesting and suitable for discussion and which should be off limits for a forum such as this.

I've had posts removed here for offending somebody else (or for being "jokes" which were outside of what Paizo are comfortable hosting). I think it's worth bearing in mind that such an action isn't an attack on me, nor an accusation that I was somehow obnoxious. It's just that there is a line here and there will be times it doesn't exactly correspond with my personal line.

Learning where those boundaries are is just part of participating in an internet forum. If Paizo's view on what's allowable is different from mine, that's not them telling me I'm wrong - it's just us learning if we're "compatible". (And if I want to get them to change, subforums like this are the way to go rather than stubbornly breaking the rues as some kind of "forum activist").


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That's an impressive "catch-up effort". Nice one. :)


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You really do have a dream job, don't you?

(And yes, that is jealousy - what of it?) :p


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Tell me you weren't a little bit tempted to try and work Ostog the Unslain in.


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Awesome, Erik. Looking forward to watching some of your thinking and creative process. This blog series is going to make at least one nerd very, very happy. :)


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Wanted: Well done or medium rare.


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Mark Seifter wrote:
I know you said you're not here any more, but it's a solid question. While the details may not be identical, I'm partial to something similar to something that looks like what James Jacobs said to a similar question here. It also matters to me whether we're talking a spell that has an alignment descriptor because it does something particularly strong in that alignment vs those that don't; not all spells are created equal (protection from X is always the example mainly because it's a pretty wimpy aligned act, whereas the spell that tortures a trapped outsider to get bonuses to coercing it is more solidly so). Either way, whenever a rule says GM discretion with a rule of thumb, don't use that rule of thumb in situations where the rule of thumb produces bad results.

I really like this answer. My favorite bit was unpacking this:

"While the details may not be identical, I'm partial to something similar to something that looks like what James Jacobs said to a similar question.."

:)


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Will do - if I can read the damn things!

I can't understand why wizkids don't print the labels for D&D small/medium figures in white.


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*Puppy dog eyes*


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Jiggy wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
I have no idea how viable this is, but it does appear that there is often resentment when a long post has been deleted – especially when it isn’t a problem on its own but is rather buried within a problematic series of posts or quotes one. Since it’s possible to retrieve such length posts, I’m presuming that a “deleted” post is actually still visible to moderators. If it were possible to make it still visible to the person who posted it (but perhaps in green or something to save confusion) that would make it easy to salvage the lost material. I realise this would allow people to just cut-and-paste deleted posts back in immediately, however perhaps there could be two categories – hidden (from everyone but moderators and the poster) and deleted (as it exists currently) if you thought that was a risk? Or maybe this could combine with the earlier point and “green” users could see their deleted posts but amber/red users couldn’t?

Here's an alternative idea:

So, you know how people's profiles already have multiple tabs (Aliases, Posts, Favorites, Favorited by Others, etc)? What if there were another tab, called something like "Moderated Posts", wherein were listed all the posts that user had made that were later deleted by the moderators? (Obviously, this tab would only be viewable by that user, not by just any passerby who checked out their profile.)

This actually addresses several issues:

• "Casualty posts" (long, good posts that got deleted because of one line or because of being a reply to an offending post) can have their contents easily retrieved without having to contact a moderator to ask for the text. Less work for both parties.

• There's already an issue that folks don't always follow along closely enough to realize that their posts were deleted, and therefore they have no reason to alter their future behavior because they don't know anything's wrong. The presence of a "Moderated Posts" tab in their profile still isn't much, but it's at least an extra...

Yeah, lumping moderated threads in their own tab is superior to leaving them as is, but visible to the poster.

I was considering what could be done without imposing additional work on the community team (so tried to describe how I imagine it is now). I think your idea has significant improvements though.

The bonus round idea does sound like too much work for too little payoff, in my view. The times people don't know why it happened are pretty rare, IMO. granted it takes some time to learn "how things are done" but I don't think it's going to be reduced much without turning each moderation explanation into an essay. As it is, I think a brief account will invite lots of mini-debates from moderated users - which could easily add a pile of work to the community team.


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Following on from the recent events regarding the banning of some forum users, I thought I would list some of the things which seem to me to be causing friction and/or confusion and some suggestions for things to be considered:

  • There is a perception that users can be banned without understanding exactly what the ban is for. I know Paizo have a general policy of not providing individual notification and justification for deletion of posts, nor for locking of threads. Nonetheless, it seems to me that a ban, even if of limited duration, is serious enough (and hopefully rare enough!) that it deserves a private email. Perhaps this happens already – but if not, I’d suggest the payoff will be worth the work.

  • I’ve seen it suggested that part of the reason a user might be banned is for lots of little things building up over time (even if the ‘trigger event’ is not that serious). If this is the policy, then perhaps it would be good if we the users could access our moderation history in some way, so as to know when we’d been crossing the line more than would be explained by mere carelessness or ignorance. I’m suggesting something a bit like “infraction points” – presumably decaying automatically over time. However, it needn’t be such a discrete and formalised thing. Perhaps if we just got a note when we logged in saying when our ‘moderation frequency’ has grown too much. I was thinking green/amber/red classification – or unlabelled/cautioned/final warning or similar. That way at least if I’m on my final warning and I call someone a jerk, the temporary ban isn’t coming out of the blue. It also means I can’t point to other, unmoderated posts as examples of “bias”.

  • Whilst I personally think the explanations posted for thread lockings and post deletions are sufficient. It does appear there are a number of people who feel uninformed as to why it is occurring. I guess my only suggestion is to make sure this policy is continued and that the reasons given are clear – “the language here got abusive and personal, directed at the poster and not the argument” rather than just “these posts breached community guidelines”.

  • I have no idea how viable this is, but it does appear that there is often resentment when a long post has been deleted – especially when it isn’t a problem on its own but is rather buried within a problematic series of posts or quotes one. Since it’s possible to retrieve such length posts, I’m presuming that a “deleted” post is actually still visible to moderators. If it were possible to make it still visible to the person who posted it (but perhaps in green or something to save confusion) that would make it easy to salvage the lost material. I realise this would allow people to just cut-and-paste deleted posts back in immediately, however perhaps there could be two categories – hidden (from everyone but moderators and the poster) and deleted (as it exists currently) if you thought that was a risk? Or maybe this could combine with the earlier point and “green” users could see their deleted posts but amber/red users couldn’t?

  • There is a definite perspective (not from the Paizo forums but from another site) that the community@paizo.com email address shouldn’t be the venue for complaining or challenging views of the community team. Whilst another address might be unnecessary, I think a transparent outline of “what we do when there’s a complaint about moderation” somewhere might be useful. Do you have a policy that a different moderator looks at the action under dispute, for example? That would make sense to me and if everyone knows that’s in place, it might give people more comfort when they send an email off knowing that it’s not going to be reviewed by the person with whom they’re in dispute.

  • My personal view of paizo’s moderation is that it’s excellent. It’s very close to the perfect level of intervention, in my view (with perhaps one exception). Nonetheless, even if it is to continue as is, I feel that there is some confusion about exactly what service is being offered by the forums and more transparency can’t hurt. I also think it doesn’t need to involve abandoning the subjective “guidelines-not-rules” approach which you favour.


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Tels wrote:

Why are we defending the banned posters? Because they did nothing wrong. Outside of reposting a thread asking for clarification, after being told to make the thread in the first place, Raital did absolutely nothing wrong. Banned.

Ashiel hardly even participated in the discussion that lead to the posts being removed. Then Ashiel sought out answers to why it was removed, and expressed his opinion over the upsetting actions taken by Pazio. Banned.

They did nothing wrong, and they were banned. I'm sure Paizo will do their best to justify Ashiel's banning by continue to state he'd been a repeatedly problematic poster and Ashiel ignored several instances of correspondence correcting his posting habits (which Ashiel claims never happened, as he lacks any such correspondence in his email)... but they have no justification for Raital.

Their justification for banning Ashiel is flimsy at best, but Raital was banned with no word, no warning.

In addition, I will defend Ashiel and Raital, because they can't be here to defend themselves. I highly any significant portion of people monitoring this thread would bother to seek out Ashiel or Raital to find out what happened from their point. We certainly know Pazio won't reveal what happened.

If we weren't here posting, then the only what Paizo posts, painting Ashiel and Raital as being clearly wrong, would exist. I'm not saying everything Ashiel did was right, but I also feel he didn't do anything worth being banned over. Despite what Paizo says or claims. Unless Raital is being incredibly dishonest in her account, then I know she did nothing to be banned over.

With regard to the bolded. I don't think Paizo are making any statements about specific users or what happened (other than to say the series of events is being reviewed and to leave the OP unamended, which I guess could be taken as tacit acknowledgement that the emails posted were accurate).

Some members of the community might be speculating, but I don't think it's right to say that Paizo are making any statements one way or the other about either Ashiel or Raital.


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Skeld wrote:

I had a post removed where I was giving another poster some good-natured grief. That poster and I are on good terms and have been for years and will occasionally poke at each other for sport. The mod's comment was that they didn't know if I was joking, which is fine. I could see how someone, not knowing the history between the other poster and I, might think I was being a serious jerk.

It happens. Sometimes the context isn't obvious and you can't expect all the mods to be up to date on all the different social dynamics here. In fact, the best way for mods to become familiar with you is have a questionablessed posting history.

-Skeld

Gorbacz deserved it.


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While that is the historical context, the quote seems more apropos as regards abuse of power and why you should care even if you are not the group being oppressed.

I agree with you that you should speak up in the face of oppression, even if you're not the target of it. However, I think there is a distinguishing feature between the situations you are identifying which breaks the analogy.

In my view, it's incorrect to see oppression or "abuse of power" as a useful framework for analysing what's going on here. Paizo are a private company with published forum rules that are openly subjective and based on human judgement, rather than of the form "if you do X then Y will happen". I understand many don't like that, but the fact is that such a forum is the one you're invited to participate in and what you sign up for by starting an account.

I don't think that the moderators then exercising their judgement and enforcing their subjective interpretation of the guidelines is "oppression" nor is it "abuse of power" rather, it's them exercising their power entirely in accordance with the forum guidelines. It's what they said was going to happen and what every poster here agrees to.

I think it's entirely appropriate to lobby for change privately or in this subforum if someone wants more codified rules (although I for one will lobby against such a change). However, I don't think one should judge the moderators actions here as if they were made on a site without explicitly subjective and perspective-dependant posting guidelines.


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Alex Smith 908 wrote:
Even here we haven't actually had it explicitly spelled out why Ashiel was banned.

Is that what you're looking for? Because I would be astonished if that's even being considered to be openly revealed. I would think that the only person they'll discuss that with is Ashiel (via email, obviously).

FWIW, I don't support the idea of publicly stating what happens to any user in the event of conflict between them and the moderation team. I think that would be a negative development on the forums.

I do think that this issue has highlighted a need for clear (private) communication between moderators and users who receive moderator attention. I think it might be helpful to have a simple "infraction points" system, or a classification (green/Amber/red or something) based on past history. Something we could all access via our account to see where we stand.

I personally don't think it needs to go as far as emailing anyone who has a post removed or a thread locked, however there are clearly issues of uncertainty or transparency which could be addressed.


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137ben wrote:
And that's a problem, because, as the topic of this thread demonstrates, privately asking Paizo to clarify or explain their policies can be a banning offense.

A common problem in this thread is supposition about the reason for various moderator actions without all the information. in the specific case of Ashiel's ban that was cited in the OP, the banning email did state a reason - essentially "irreconcilable differences" (you want a forum different than the one we provide).

Whether the ban is a good idea or not is a matter of opinion, however based on the limited information the rest of us have it wasn't because of any stance Ashiel took on trans issues and it wasn't for privately asking why her post was moderated - those are supposition at best and presume that the stated reason is not complete (or is dishonest).


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Ultimately, history shows us emphaticallly, that greateness is born from out of the box thinking, unconventional approaches, a willingness to stand firm with your convictions and critically an ability to accept unpopularity to get the job done

Which people from history are you thinking of here?


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My entire face-to-face group qualify. (Our group has been pretty static since the early eighties).


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Diffan wrote:
Ugh, again with the "Favored Enemy". It's a dumb mechanic and here's why: There's no guarantee that you'll come across your favored enemy in any specific session or even campaign. It was a dumb idea in 3.5 and it's a dumb idea even now.

I think it's an idea that you need to use in a certain way ("you" being the group).

I think the DM should provide the player with clear guidance as to what sort of enemies will make good choices (whether because they'll feature a lot or because they are crucial foes at significant plot points).

I think it would be unhelpful to make the player's choice of enemies to focus on and the DM's choice (of encountered enemies throughout a campaign) independently. Either the player should know which choices will be good and bad or the DM should tailor the foes to the choices made by the player. Doing otherwise would be like constructing a desert campaign for the aquatic themed party who want to sail the high seas.


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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

I don't think I've done anything new on the boards to apologize for*, I just wanted to offer Rubit a hug and a thanks for all her hard work.

(* Well, other than being lightly tethered to Reality, but that's an ongoing technical glitch in my SlaadOS.)

Hear hear. (To the first bit)


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Did you email them about it? I'm not trying to be argumentative or patronizing, but you generally aren't supposed to handle those issues on the forums at all. I've always found the mods to be pretty responsive when emailed privately.
I make my own private copies of every thread I post in to avoid this exact issue. This isn't about the posts, this is about moderators removing posts with no notification or regard for common sense or community guidelines.

The lack of notification was a technical issue - which they explained and apologised for.

As for "common sense or community guidelines" I think it's worth bearing in mind that those are subjective. It's likely the moderator did have regard for them - if they don't share your views on them that doesn't imply it was unthinking or incorrect.

Of course you don't have to be happy about it, but I think the subjective nature of these things is relevant.


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Kobold Cleaver wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

This should be in website feedback, if anywhere (although without context - ie the last four years of private emails, it's hard for any of us to know whether it's a reasonable decision or not).

I can't imagine how a thread like this is going to help anything, though. It would be much more productive sending an email to community@paizo.com.

Would it be productive? I'm feeling really uncomfortable about this. Ashiel's email makes it sound like they're really genuinely upset. Maybe there's a history of altercations that justify it, but in this case, it seems like...ugh.

I'm going to stop posting here. This is none of my business. I'm just worried and upset.

I'm not going to make any public comment about the situation either.

My point is that raising concerns privately will be more productive than doing so publically. What benefit is likely to come out of a thread like this?

Also, this kind of thing belongs in website feedback.


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This should be in website feedback, if anywhere (although without context - ie the last four years of private emails, it's hard for any of us to know whether it's a reasonable decision or not).

I can't imagine how a thread like this is going to help anything, though. It would be much more productive sending an email to community@paizo.com.


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A sad day for us, but good luck in whatever you do next. It's hard to imagine it will be anything less than amazing.


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It may not have been popular - given the small number of threads in each AP, it would be extremely sensitive to outliers. In other words - one extremely productive game would skew the 'Total Posts' heavily.

It certainly looks to have been significantly more efficient than any of the others (measuring "efficiency" as posts/days). Which would suggest one or two games where the participants posted several times per day.


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If it's easy enough to manage, I'd definitely recommend staying at the venue. We stayed in Downtown this year (my first Paizocon) and it was a significant hassle travelling back and forth, although it made tourism stuff for my non-gaming wife easier. Even if you were looking locally, the hotels in the area are pretty spread out - even some of the more distant wings in the convention hotel feel like a bit of a trek!

I felt perfectly safe walking around and taking the train between downtown and the venue (although I taxi-ed after dark, so I couldn't offer an opinion on night-time commuting).

The things we did that I'd recommend:

1. Pike Place Market
2. The Seattle Center has a bunch of cool things:

  • Space Needle - for the view, apparently the meals aren't that flash
  • Pacific Science Center
  • Chihuly Garden
  • Some kind of music/art musem whose name escapes me, but which is impossible to miss if you're there

We also visited the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation which is kind of next to the Seattle Center. A couple of middleaged, slightly lefty nerds enjoyed that - but I'd hesitate to offer it as a universal recommendation. :)

If you've got time and ability to get out of Seattle, I enjoyed our visit to Mt Rainier - as an Adelaidean, the sheer size of it (plus that weird frozen water lying around everywhere) was pretty incredible. We did a couple of walks that were well signposted and of varying, clearly identified levels of difficulty.


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I like games where magic is strictly better than mundane.

I also like campaign settings with severe restrictions on player options.

Can't decide whic is my favourite, but it would be one of them, I think.


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He's also easy to ignore. Given hes spent his reaction shielding, he cant make opportunity attacks.

So once they miss a couple of times the monsters will probably run past him to the back ranks.


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Pan wrote:
I will admit I was a little biased about cantrips that scale. However, after playing I really think 5E gives casters a big advantage. So at level 5 the damage dice is now doubled on cantrips. That means a caster gets double dice on a single hit. Martials get two attacks but must hit twice. My experience so far is that martials are falling behind me because they often miss one of the attacks.

I think you're missing the fact that martials get to add their stat bonus to damage dice. The fighting types roll only one die but generally add 3 or 4 to each damage roll. So if both their attacks hit they'll do considerably more than your single double-die damage roll (and they're getting two chances at a critical). If only one hits they'll probably be close but perhaps a little lower than you on average, depending on the damage dice of your cantrip - though they also have a higher minimum damage of 4 or 5 rather than your potential minimum of 2.

In addition there are a variety of feats which, if they're available in your game, allow a fighter to boost their damage output considerably with no corresponding feat for the casting types.


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doc the grey wrote:
Has anyone else had issues with the ACG app glitching in quest mode? If so where did you go to report the issue?

I have issues with the game full stop. Every time they update it something stops working.

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. They're charging for a work-in-progress, IMO.


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It does match the third printing of the hardcover.

I think the art size is excellent - no loss of impact there and the book is easier to hold up for the players, so I think that's good.

The font size is smallish - my 46 year old eyes can't read it if I'm tired or if I don't have my glasses. I think it's usable though.

It doesn't sit flat without something weighing it down (I could read everything from elemental to otyugh without a weight, but it wouldn't stay open beyond those).

I suspect there'll be a lot of reports of the binding falling apart. I'd definitely recommend heavily working the 'prefolded' crease on each cover. It creates a kind of brace for when you do leave the book open (presuming it works the same as the 64 page books).


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Jiggy wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
My point is that I don't think ruling out a whole genre in this way via gross mis characterisation and oversimplification is "not okay".

The thing that's "not okay" isn't the ruling out of a whole genre based on oversimplification. What's "not okay" is choosing to believe that the bulk of the visual media output of an entire country is "a genre".

Because sure, if you think that "anime" is a single genre, then of course the stuff I've been saying seems nitpicky and oversensitive and unreasonable. That's why I keep using the analogies about cowboy movies: we're not talking about making generalizations within a genre (such as lumping all cowboy movies together), we're talking about taking a nationwide category of media (such as "American live-action films") and calling it all one genre.

That's a very small box to cram such a large piece of human culture into, don't you think?

Yes, but I think a reasonable one if the large piece of human culture seems to you like a small, niche subset of it.

Until this moment, I didn't realise anime was a "nationwide category of media", I thought it was a genre.

I struggle with judging ignorance negatively in itself - in my view it has to be wilful before it's not-okay.

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