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In the treasure generator, I changed the creature types list. I separated out "None (or custom)" to "None" and "Custom", and added an "All" type. The selection in the list changes to None, Custom, or All if you check or clear the check boxes for the treasure types, as appropriate. Unless you have Outsider picked, since that's a type that needs user-tailoring.

Maybe it's just "a thing". It's a community topic that just gets propagated. Sure, it can happen with clerics, but the ongoing popular topic is paladins. I haven't heard of any GMs trying to contrive a scenario in which the only suitable course of action for a druid is to teach druidic to a non-druid, to get them lose their powers. Mind, I haven't set out to find such examples, but I didn't set out to find all these paladin discussions, either, and yet I've seen them. So, maybe not "nobody has ever done it", but "it's unlikely anyone has ever done it". Although I think it would be not a noble goal to do so, I would be extremely impressed if a GM tricked a player to have their druid lose their powers in this way.


Fixed pricing on Amulet of Mighty Fists

The Reset quantities button now works.

You can now auto-select a random allotment of treasure by clicking Randomize. You still have to click Generate after doing so. At least one treasure type has to be picked, as it only draws from the types you've selected. An error message appears next to the Randomize button if you didn't pick any, or if the types you've selected have no offerings below your budget.

Note: depending on the creature type or treasure types you've selected, the minimum lot value could be such that the randomizer paints itself into a corner and cannot fill out the budget fully. If this is the case, click Randomize again, or manually edit the selections yourself. Or just roll with it, since it's probably not worth worrying about (e.g. 50 gp in a 10,000 gp budget).

For anyone who's interested, here's how it works: All the lots from the selected treasure types are gathered up, and sorted by price. Weights are assigned to each item, where the weight is a power of two, with lower powers going to lower-cost lots. Lots where the price is the same get the same weight. The weights are summed up, and number is pseudorandomly selected from that range, resulting in one of the lots being selected. The lot value is noted, and all lots which are now over the remaining budget are removed. The process repeats.

Essentially, what this means is that higher-cost lots are likely to be selected first, and this is desirable because selecting a lower-cost lot first can make the higher ones ineligible if the leftover budget is too small, making it further likely more items with a lower lot cost will be selected. I don't have statistical analysis, but it should be a "good" spread of items.

I have a few other weighting algorithms in mind for different distributions of items, but they are not available yet.

I'm back! I'm late to these questions (I mainly came here to announce I've resumed work on the generator), but I'll answer anyway:

Source books: The Core Rulebook is used to determine budgets for settlements. Ultimate Equipment is used for everything else.

I do not include items from any other books, but if this is something people want, I can see about adding it in. I'm open to suggestions on how this would integrate with the UE rules. I have a few ideas, but want to hear opinions and suggestions.

The "I don't care, just pick whatever" thing is definitely on my to-do list, and one of the first things I'm going to do (after checking on some potential defects, which have highest priority). The generator is... "usable" in a minimum sense, and that needs to change.

After that:

I want to improve the usability of the treasure lot selector. For example, the total is not conveniently located. When the budget is large, there are too many lots to select from. (Even with a "pick for me" button, I still want to support manual treasure selection).

I also want to include a summary where all the items of similar type have been grouped together, such as all weapons together, all coins totaled up, and so on. I'll keep the raw list, but make it a collapsed, out-of-the-way thing.

In addition to the summary, I'm thinking of adding a "player list" and a "GM list", where the magic items are not identified in the player list, but are in the GM list.

And because it could be interesting: total weight of the hoard, and maybe a volume estimate, such as "cartloads"? That's low on my list, though.

Thanks for all the thanks, guys!

(Side note: I don't get why people are so against thread necroing. I mean, there are cases where the thread should stay dead, but in my opinion it's not a hard rule one should apply indiscriminately.)

Edit: I have not forgotten about correcting the prices a previous poster listed -- I have made the corrections on my test setup, but they are not yet live. That's one of my highest priorities.


To address your questions:

1. Drat, I thought I updated the amulet. Thanks for the notice, I'll check on that.

2. "Other shield" is the Ultimate Equipment entry that basically means the GM has to come up with something of their own choosing (e.g. maybe something rare that's not in the random tables). There are similar entries for weapons, at least, and maybe other categories. It kind of defeats the purpose of rolling, which is what the tables are for, but that is what UE has, so that is what I use, since I want to be as standard-conforming as possible. That said, I am considering making an option to have the generator reroll that type of result, or just rely on the ability I plan to add in the future to reroll single items.

Thanks for the praise! I've been crummy about working on it (Has it really been over half a year? Where does the time go?), but it's been on my mind lately, so I hope to get on it again, particularly with respect to usability. Seeing comments on here really helps with motivation.

An animal table is an interesting idea... Not sure how I'd work it in exactly, as I haven't looked at Animal Archive in a while, but it sounds fun.

There is a significant difference between LG anything and an LG paladin, because of 1) the paladin code, and 2) the paladin is probably very religious (for the sake of discussion, no paladins of causes here, if that's possible).

I'd say, break the problem down and ask, how would an LG fighter deal with this situation? Then, how would the paladin code change that answer? Then, how would a highly religious person change that answer?

Also, suppose the angel were just a regular guard, alignment unknown. Would it be unlawful to kill the guard? Would a paladin have explicit legal authority to dispatch the guard (does it even say anywhere whether paladins, in any region of Golarion, get special legal status)? What if the guard were a well-known hero that has saved countless lives? How does changing the guard to a run of the mill angel change the answer from a famous hero? Would a famous angel be even more special than a famous mortal?

This brings up further questions: if a known agent of Good (or at least highly suspected) is guarding treasure that the party needs, and the party needs the treasure for good, maybe there's some misinformation somewhere. Is the party being duped into delivering the MacGuffin to the bad guy, killing an agent of good in the process? Is the guard being duped? If either group is the victim of a trick, what can be done about it? Is the guard being forced to guard the treasure against their will (geas, planar binding), and prevented from being able to converse with the party?

There are a ton of questions! The paladin would attack the angel, though, if it were necessary for self defense, after attempting to flee or maybe even surrender peacefully (no time to argue, something must be done). But the paladin would at least urge the team not to go all-out, try to capture it, or just don't attack once it falls unconscious (and if they disobey, or a major crit foils the KO, that's the others' fault or accidental, but the pally ought to at least pray about that at some point).

An idea a friend and I tossed around:

Randomize HP after every rest. Figure a way so that longer rests grant more HP, up to the maximum (maybe +1 per HD per extra X hours or something?). Significant bad guys would be granted max HP (they seem to die way too quickly in our group), but not lesser foes.

There are some caveats with this, however. Empirical testing would have to be done to see how it works out. Anyway, just an idea for spit-balling. The "roll every day" part without all that other stuff might be interesting.

Yes! Right here at this handy link.
It features generators for standard-sized settlements, customized settlements, individual items of a specific type, and just recently, creature loot and treasure hoards. The latter feature is a little rough user-experience-wise, but it's far easier than doing it manually! And I'm currently revamping the user interface, so it should look and operate nicer soon.

It uses RAW as much as possible, but RAW does miss a few spots. I can go into detail, but really, it's quite boring. Settlements come from CRB, all the actual items come from UE.

The treasure hoard generator (which also serves for creatures) benefits from a little extra explanation. It's not a simple matter of entering CR and hitting "go". Ultimate Equipment specifies a sort of "budgeting" method, and that's the method my generator follows. First, you calculate a budget by just entering a known amount, entering details of an encounter, or specifying an NPC, in order to figure out a gold value. Then, you figure out what treasure types are applicable, based on a creature type or at your whim, and select groups of items ("lots", I call them) until you meet the budget, then hit "Generate items". It's a rather involved process, but it's what UE prescribes. I do plan on having a feature fill up your budget for you, but that is not yet present (the button is there, but does nothing). EDIT: Scratch that -- the button isn't there. The "Reset quantities" button was what I was thinking of, that's present but non-functional. It's a work in progress!

@Patrick: Thanks for the kind words!
And everyone else as well, actually. Forgive me for not expressing how much I appreciate the reception of my work, earlier.

Update time!

I've added a generator for creature loot and treasure hoards. I was mainly focused on getting functionality implemented as fast as possible, so the user interface is a little rough around the edges, and I'll be refining it in the coming days. Consider it a beta release.

Comments, praise, criticism, and feature requests are welcome!

James Jacobs wrote:
And because as a general rule I find Christmas songs as a genre to be unpleasant to listen to; I just don't like the melodies.

What if the songs were in a minor key?

Glad to be of help. If you have any requests, feel free to let me know! If it fits into my vision for the product, I will certainly be happy to put it on my TODO list.
(Side note: I've noticed that the custom settlement generator sometimes produces "Null" in the list of results. That just means any item it could possibly generate is too cheap for the base value, and so I just need to print that fact out instead of "Null". On the to-fix list.)

Well, you could use the settlement rules to randomly generate items for a settlement. The results are for a settlement, but should be easy enough to take all the randomly generated weapons, make up a store that sells those plus mundane weapons, then take all the potions, put them in a potion shop, and so on.

I just happen to be the author of a magic item randomizer. Now you don't need to roll anything! It does settlements (standard or custom) and individual items (so you can stock up a potion store, for instance), and creature/treasure hoards are coming soon (within the next few days). And though the latter feature is primarily intended for finding treasure on adventures, the way it will work seems like a good match for equipping a store.

Edit: It doesn't help with the NPC aspect, of course, but those NPCs likely have a few things lying around already, right?

Even if human was unquestionably the best choice every time, why not pick something else to branch out?

I'm reading it as you just get the basic name of the spell, since the section on counterspelling doesn't mention metamagic except to say that metamagic doesn't change whether it can be countered. I wouldn't say metamagic "affects the name" of the spell. Spellcraft doesn't mention metamagic at all.

Heighten spell makes things a little interesting when you consider improved counterspell. Heighten changes the level of the spell, but metamagic specifically doesn't affect whether the spell can be countered, so could a caster with improved counterspell cast a 4th level evocation to counter a fireball heightened to 4th level (or higher)? I'd say you cannot do this, but that you do get the adjusted level so you can use your feat, but that might be a house rule or a table interpretation.

As this isn't in the PFS forum, I'd suggest to just give them the metamagic if they ID the spell (I'm assuming you're the GM). This is mainly in the interest of equality. A silent or stilled spell would be obvious (as the caster is not making noise, or gesturing), as would a quickened spell. So why not heightened, intensified, maximized, empowered, etc?

Unless you want to devise a system of DCs involving metamagic, which I think would be nice if it's a subsystem of the game that is expected to be used frequently, or is a level of depth you want to add to your game.

I still wonder if there are impossible combinations, but this discussion has inspired me to add another generation type to my random magic item generator, for UC building item slots, which work in reverse with respect to base values compared with typical random item generation. It can also report whether the combination of values you request is impossible.

It's a pretty bad flaw if the rules would have a situation like the one I described, where you're supposed to roll an item, but it's impossible not to exceed the base value. Is such a situation actually possible, or can, say, a small city not afford a building with a medium slot?

Edit: well, depending on item type, I guess. a lesser medium armor can fall below small city base value, but perhaps my example is bad. Still, if it's merely improbable that you'll roll a valid item, that can be worked around. It's impossible that causes a snag.

Where is this in Ultimate Campaign? In PRD terms, anyway.
EDIT: NVM, under "Kingdom Turn Sequence" apparently. I'll BRB.
I'm not familiar with the building rules, but I am familiar with the regular magic item rolling rules (yet another edit: which, in this case, doesn't really enter the picture aside from the tables themselves). So is this the concern:

Your small city builds a building that has a medium slot. Small cities have a base value of 4 kgp, but medium magic items cost well above that, minimum. Thus, it is impossible to roll anything below the base value.


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What about the level 2 finesse ability adding DEX to hit in addition to STR? That way you can have balanced STR/DEX (I'm a huge fan of this), and do respectable damage with your medium/low STR bonus to damage, plus Precise Strikes, and still hit often? (Edit: I'm not all about the damage; it's just easily quantifiable.)

(I should note: if DEX to damage does happen, I'm going to give in and join the crowd; but I like the balanced STR/DEX concept, it just could use some help.).

You don't seem to be asking any direct questions, more like providing advice? So I'll add my experience into the mix.

I have tried something like this before, when I ran Rise of the Runelords (my one and only experience GMing this game*). It's a tough balance act just how much information to reveal, but it certainly works.

In some cases, I read the line that the bestiary has that describes the creature. This is sometimes a giveaway, but on more mundane creatures, I liked describing the monsters, since otherwise there's a highly detailed description of the room, including how apparent the age is, where the sunlight comes in, the fierceness of the roaring fire, and what have you, and oh yeah, there's some guys in here, by the way.

Other times, I'd just describe the creature in a very basic way (light/dark, skin/fur, weapon/claws, wings/no wings), and it will remain a mystery until it uses an iconic ability, and it all snaps into place. If it's obviously a <creature type> then they'd get that. If they know to expect ogres in a region, I'll just say, "ogre."

They seemed to enjoy realizing what it was they fought after the fact. (Edit: it was often of no concern of ultimate difficulty, just a neat little surprise, since their fighting skills basically allowed brute-force to work, regardless of resistances and such. Then, at a certain level, knowledge checks just become automatic successes.)

* I used this approach in another game, however. I ran a Paranoia game once where the troubleshooters went outside. I described it as cold, with a very high gray ceiling. They proceeded, and found a hairy thing, approximately knee height, with arms and legs, and discernible facial features, but very odd ones. Perhaps some kind of mutant? And, look, now here's a much larger one, taller than them. Good times.

As to why play a swashbuckler, asked a few times in this thread, my answer would be: for the swashbuckler class features. The deeds are pretty fun, for example, or at least have the potential to be. I'm looking at this class, and I am interested because it's a "swordplay dude with parries and ripostes, and other interesting things" (and a new, not-even-finished, experimental class, at that), not because it's, say, a "DEX-based martial class". It's the same reason why I might choose to play a sorcerer: it's not for the CHA-based casting, but for the spontaneous mechanic, and bloodlines, and such.

I'm assuming "magic mart" means a store that has anything? There may be different connotations.

Anyway, I go by the settlement rules. It's a major pain normally, but as I [perhaps too] often mention, I wrote an item generator to do all the rolling for me, going with the 75% success rate if it's below base value, and all that good stuff.

It's kind of fun to see players improvise when something they want is not available. Unfortunately, I don't think they've ever looked at the list and thought, "Yeah, I'll get that." Instead, they wait until what they want is available. So many magic items in this game, so few see use longer than the time of looting (might as well use it) to the time of pawning off for half price. I got a bit off-topic there...

Of course, as someone else mentioned, once teleportation and interplanar travel is involved, I wouldn't bother rolling, particularly during extended downtime, since the party can shop around at all the major cities.

As for why I even try: I would prefer there be some element of chaos in magic item shopping. The players are playing to problem solve, after all. Adapt. That kind of thing.

My preferred method for handling PC death, or rather, PC replacement, is this:

1. If the party loots the PC's corpse, I deduct that amount of treasure from future encounters. This is still useful to the party, though, as it is basically a 100% exchange rate rather than 50% (sell unwanted item). Plot items are exempt. Usually, though, the players keep it simple and don't loot the body.

2. For the new character, the player can choose to either A) start with gold equal to the wealth by level table for a character one level lower and buy anything they want, or B) start with gold equal to the wealth by level table for the correct level, but can only buy items from a list I randomly generate, plus 75% chance of non-list items.

And that's about it. Well, I also house-ruled reincarnate to change how it deals with stats, but that's out of scope for this.

I believe this sufficiently creates an incentive to play smart to stay alive, but doesn't punish death too much. I mean, a lot of deaths are just bad luck. Even good saves only save about 50% of the time (depending on the enemies, etc.).

@Throne: Regarding 20 point buy, you kind of have a point, but 15 points is just bleh. I don't get why it's the standard. I've tallied up random rolls before, and 4d6b3 is about 19.5, IIRC. 20 gives you leg room without giving too much power. That's why I'm a huge advocate, and I guess yes, it does help out the MAD classes more than the SAD ones.

Edit: This has made me realize that CHA is the weak link, here. It gets you panache, but so will Extra Grit. I wonder if it can be mostly ignored, 12 CHA plus Extra Grit. Down 1 feat, but saves you 8 build points.

Trogdar wrote:

critical threshold doesn't have any synergy with precision damage so having a high critical threshold is largely irrelevant for the purposes of damage... which is kind of weird. I expected this class to be swingy in its damage(getting more out of crits) but in reality it only gets panache.

*shrug*, I think synergy with gaining panache is pretty good on its own. The fact you can double it (edit: precise strike, that is), without requiring a crit, as a swift action for 1 panache is pretty nice.


Athaleon wrote:
Stephen Radney-MacFarland wrote:
Lord_Malkov wrote:
Well, I think that the Parry/Riposte combo needs to change.
Ayep. I entirely agree. My quick fix is to make riposte and immediate action instead of taking an attack of opportunity. I'm still thinking about the panache cost and looking through playtests.
Please, no. The mechanic needs work, but we already have deeds competing for the Swift Action, and the Riposte costing an Attack of Opportunity is practically the only part of the combo that works right.

What about removing riposte as a separate ability, instead making it a free riposte if your parry roll is a confirmed critical threat (and still exceeds the attacker's roll)? It could cost panache, possibly not require an AOO, and make it more dynamic, and synergistic with the critical range increase? (Edit: I was a bit unclear what I meant by all this. Too many variables; basically, one ability: parry, and riposte is an optional reaction to a successful parry if the parry roll is a crit threat and confirmed. What the parry should cost, and what the riposte should cost, I'm not sure of myself.)

Adding my voice into the group that doesn't care about a DEX bonus to damage. No new reasons that haven't already been said by others, but I think it deserves mentioning.

Mainly (and this reiterates other statements, but the Why is as important as the What), without DEX to damage, you have to decide, on a sliding scale, how much damage you want to do versus how much defense. With it, it's a no brainer: DEX, obviously. If the swashbuckler is lacking in damage, and I don't think it is (the ability to take weapon specialization, the presence of Precise Strikes, and the improved crit range all contribute nicely), surely there has to be some other way. For example, in my view, the finesse class feature helps allow you the choice of where you want to be in that sliding scale, rather than pigeonholing you into only using DEX for your attack rolls. When I played my swashbuckler, I ignored that class feature. If there is to be DEX to damage, then there has to be a way to tailor your swashbuckler.

As it is now, I think it works nicely: you can A) focus on STR, and optionally get a little DEX for the benefits of that, B) or focus on DEX, and hit often, but not quite so hard, but still non-negligibly. You can also C) balance a little between the two, which is what I did when I played this past weekend. It was a bad session for data gathering, though (example: I declare parry, enemy rolls a 20, negating my parry entirely; second time, I rolled a... 3. So, I didn't really get a sense of whether I like it). However, with 16 STR and 14 DEX, I had an effective character. I like the idea of being successful with multiple moderate scores, as opposed to focusing all your efforts into a single one. I had fun with it, but more testing is required.

Some thoughts:

  • The ability to keep one temporary panache point beyond your maximum, say, for one round, would be nice, in case you're full and want to do something cool with a great opening critical hit or something.
  • A deed to sunder or disarm without provoking an AOO would be kind of cool. Seems very swordsman-y to me, and though there are the feats for this, I personally am not interested in them (I'd rather never do it than get 13 INT, then Combat Expertise, and then a feat).

  • James Jacobs wrote:
    So, if you can hit +47, you're PROBABLY in the running.

    The Prodigy feat could grant another +4!

    The supernatural ability costs a specific action, usually standard (if it doesn't say an action, it's standard), and supernatural abilities are not included in the description of iterative attacks. Even though the result of using the power is a ranged touch attack, the trigger is a supernatural ability. The ability would have to specifically say that it can be used as part of a full attack. That's my interpretation.

    If I GMed such a character, I might allow it, depending on the other PCs in the party.

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    The real tragedy of sunder is that you have to go look up the rules to see how sunder works, and how many HPs a certain item has, or DR, and what happens to it when it's broken, because it's still somewhat usable, etc. I dunno about you all, but I haven't gotten those dusty sunder rules memorized!

    TarkXT wrote:
    I'm pretty sure he was referring to the people making homebrew posts and ideas for a new rogue class.

    Thought that was probably it, no context in the post. Anyway, I might have been wrong about the duelist anyway, edited my post. There is nothing fancy in the build. Just pump up bluff, get feint (edit; all of them), and then profit.

    My take-away from it is, rely on sneak attack, don't even worry about strength. Tailor-make the rogue to your campaign. It might be difficult to theory-craft a rogue because you have to optimize to a specific set of circumstances "at compile time", whereas a wizard could be "schroedingered" (for the lack of a better term) and optimized "at run time". Sorry for the programming jargon, not sure if they're common things people know! Best words I have, if the analogy is accurate.

    Edit: However, I have few data points. Just my take-away.

    ^ Me? Well, duelist is rogue-themed. If it doesn't count, then I don't know what to say. I tried a rogue myself, but I made all manner of mistakes, so I can't offer any other meaningful input other than my experience with GMing a [prestiged] rogue PC. Not a solution to everyone's problems, but data are data, right?

    Edit: might not actually have been a duelist. I still have access to the character sheet (it's a formula one, not the easiest to read impatiently), not seeing any duelist features. I could have sworn "duelist" was being slung around back then. Well, my memory sucks.

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    A player in my RotRL game did a duelist. Nothing too fancy, just the feint feat chain, really. Most of the feats were various utility things, not to be a one-trick pony I guess. So if you're looking for optimization, I'm sure there's something out there.

    The ranger PC (same campaign, different player) did more damage with full attacks, but the rogue did more damage with single attacks. So the rogue did better with more, but lower HP enemies.

    I think. In any case, duelist is worth looking into into more detail.

    James Jacobs wrote:
    Both of your options work fine, though, especially since you're playing in your GM's game and not mine! :-)

    Although we like sticking to Golarion as published as much as possible, you got me in that our version will necessarily be an imperfect match, since it's impossible to know everything you and Paizo know, especially in a case like this. I won't press the issue. Thanks for the time to answer, though! If Iron Gods comes out and I find my android retroactively isn't up to snuff... well, he was just malformed!


    (Trying to frame this as not to request a large amount of deliberately-as-yet-unrevealed information).

    I'm making an android PC, and trying to reason out his lack of memory of his origin. I figure he has spotty memories of random places, and he guesses that was traveling, but doesn't recall why, whence, or whither. His first clear memory is essentially his decision to become his class, and the rest easily remembered.

    Is that right, or should his earliest memory be becoming self-aware for the first time at some arbitrary location? If so, would this be similar to a human forgetting everything after becoming 18, but retaining all of their "book smarts" and instincts, and (probably) without the ensuing existential crisis?

    If both cases are possible, do you prefer one or the other? I'm assuming androids are created for almost any reason that can be conceived, and can even be given different initial conditions, including "setting one out with no preset disposition or inclination, and seeing what it does". If that's also wrong, please correct me!

    Thanks so much!

    Bran Towerfall wrote:
    Stazamos wrote:
    Guys, guys. The official tactics for this encounter call for the BBEG to use a magic item to cast flesh to stone on a character, and then shove the resulting statue off the side of the building. That's what the GM's instructions are. Using deep slumber instead is different, but arguably similar enough not to matter much. This wasn't some "Muahahaha! I'll destroy them all!" type of thing.
    the medusa mask was going to be first option. She was swarmed by 6pcs and 3 npc and went with deep slumber which also provoked aoo. grappling the sleeping character did not provoke from the sleeping pc, but I allowed 3 more attacks of opp from the adgacent pcs. then off they went, rnd 3 after the slumber spell also giving 3 more attacks of opp (12 TOTAL!!!!!!)while she tumbled. other posts have said I should of just threw him off (after his cmb/cmd save) and continue fighting, maybe turning another pc into stone or fighting to the death. I felt that after all her minions are dead and she is outnumbered 9-1 and the lair/ tower is starting to fall it would be time to live to fight another day...

    Wow, that's a lot of combatants... In any case, I was just trying to help clear up that your use of tactics was not only sound, but within the spirit of the published tactics (almost exactly the same thing, really), because some people seemed to think, earlier in the thread, you were playing brutally against the PCs.

    Edit: And oh, dear readers, I sincerely hope I didn't spoil anything major... I'm usually pretty careful about this kind of thing. In any case, the tactics involve more than just the statue thing. If you're playing this AP and you now decide to prepare feather fall, don't think that makes you safe. A soft descent from a building is still you out of the fight for a while, which is still good for the baddy!

    Here are their clues (spoilered juuuuust in case):


    Vraxeris, the illusion wizard, has a detailed journal basically saying everything that is necessary. However, if your PCs aren't into reading, it can be missed.

    The gluttony wizard has a list of all the components for each type of weapon. Wondering what this is might make them read the former if not the latter, It's supposed to be in his spellbook, but make it a sheet of paper that is wrapped around his divination focus mirror.

    That said... my players are readers, and knew all about the Runeforged weapons. However, despite all this, they all made weapons except for the one they were supposed to make. Watch out for the abjuration one, BTW. That thing is monstrous! It's practically universal. I recommend a nerf. Anyway, they ended up fine. Runeforged weapons are not necessary.

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    Guys, guys. The official tactics for this encounter call for the BBEG to use a magic item to cast flesh to stone on a character, and then shove the resulting statue off the side of the building. That's what the GM's instructions are. Using deep slumber instead is different, but arguably similar enough not to matter much. This wasn't some "Muahahaha! I'll destroy them all!" type of thing.

    I want to add that it makes sense to me, but man, this FAQ completely disrupted the subtext of the entire section.

    When I first started playing, I didn't recognize there being such a thing as "temporary" or "permanent" bonuses (apart from duration). Then I learned of the section discussing temporary bonuses. So I took it as them being weaker versions, same as damage and drain being weakened a little as well (from 3.5e of "the world's most popular RPG"). The fact the FAQ states that all along that this is a matter of "quick application", it completely disrupted my understanding of this section.

    I didn't play 3.5e D&D (very slight familiarity through NWN and OOTS), but it sounds like the temporary/permanent thing was part of improvements, along with negative levels not actually being the loss of levels (similar veins, anyway), and it was just worded (very) inaccurately.

    I'm more shocked/jarred than anything. I think it's kind of cleared up for me, though I still don't like it (and I'm almost sure there's going to be a weird case that causes this to break; gut feeling, though, not actual knowledge). I find the "quick" rules to be nice and clean. Slightly annoyed I have to fix my character spreadsheet, though...

    Edit: I know this doesn't mean that anything "has" to change, rather that it's more beneficial to do it than not. But still, I'd feel like I wasn't doing my best if I didn't consider cases not in the enumerated list of example changes due to bonuses.

    Digital Mage wrote:
    Fox's Cunning explicitly states that it doesn't provide extra skill points.

    Okay, so fox's cunning was a bad example; I haven't read it in a while. It was more of a "provoke discussion" type of question (you seem to be on the same page as me with respect to the FAQ making things muddy).

    (The rest of this is directed to the thread in general.)

    Better example, maybe eagle's splendor mixed with the feat leadership (*reads both things* yep, nothing there that says "no")? It would be absolutely ridiculous to get additional followers for a few minutes, but that's what happens if temporary bonuses are no different from permanent ones, apart from how much time you want to spend doing math.

    So, does fox's cunning grant you two temporary skill points per class level now, if you're willing to do a "full rebuild and recalculate", as opposed to the "quick" method? I am! Because that is still kinda easy, and temporary skill points sound like a powerful tool.

    There are other related questions, but this seems like a good "counterpoint" argumentative type thing to ask about. I would say the intent is probably "no", but this FAQ makes things weird, in my view.

    It changes things for me. Before, it was absolutely clear to me that those specific things on the list happened, that's it. There wasn't even a hint of "maybe other things, this is just for speed". Nope, nothing. No carrying capacity. No ability score checks. Now, those new specific things are obvious, as they are in the FAQ explicitly, but other things I may have to ask my GM about.

    When writing my item generator, this is what I decided to go with: 50% chance of lesser, 50% chance of greater. And when "least" items are possible (in the case of slotless wondrous items), make the odds 25% least, 25% lesser, 50% greater.

    I'm not totally sure if this is statistically appropriate, particularly for slotless wondrous items (should it be 33%/33%/34%?), but it's what I decided on. Edit: In other words, that method may not be perfect, but I think it's "good enough".

    I'm not really sure of a good way to enhance the fun of a flying party. Combat with a lot of flight gets annoying with respect to measurement, and positioning is less important (and thus less tactically interesting) most of the time, in my opinion, though it depends on the situation.

    I'd actually leave it up to the players on this one. They might naturally amuse themselves with ideas like picking up enemies and dropping them, or dropping things on enemies, or just enjoying air superiority for a little while. Just have the enemies act naturally. Enemies might use ranged attacks, or try to disengage if they can't fight back.

    Does this link help? I only clicked on a couple settlements, but it seems to include the sizes for the ones I clicked (e.g. "large town"). Edit: I tried a few more, not all of them have sizes listed. But I think it's the best you'll find on the matter. If you have a map, I'd recommend to guess sizes based on location, like nearer to a road is likely larger, that kind of thing.

    Also, you may find my PFRPG Random Item Generator useful. Select a settlement size, and click Generate! Uses CRB for the number of magic items of each degree of strength in a settlement, and UE tables for the actual items.

    Comprehensively, the main pieces of info together:

    The table of spells per day under "wizard" indicates you don't get any base 2nd level spells until wizard level 3.

    The paragraph above "Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells" is what says that bonus spells only apply if the character can already cast that level. Thus, although 14 INT grants an additional 1st level spell and additional 2nd level spell, the bonus spells do not become "active" until the wizard class spells per day table grants base 2nd level spells. That is what that paragraph means by "high enough level".

    As someone else mentioned,, but not an option if not everyone has a laptop/tablet. Sharing might help.

    However, another option is to throw away the idea you need to faithfully reproduce the map, and draw relevant bits of it at a time. If you approximate, you can decrease drawing time. What you should aim to preserve are: approximate dimensions, visual obstacles, line of sight from one hallway to another, doors, platforms. In short, make a new room that is tactically similar.

    Combined with the above, draw a "minimap" while the PCs are exploring, and draw a combat map when combat begins. This breaks down a little if the PCs start running through corridors, skipping fights (we did that once, it was actually really fun, though obviously very dangerous), but it's a good general strategy that's inexpensive on time and resources.

    Edit: the aforementioned minimap consists of lines for hallways, and aims to present the logical branching flow from one room to the next rather than accurate distance.

    Let's see, Hook Mountain Massacre itself:

  • You got the farm, how they get there is not the issue. Flying might make it harder, actually. The trick is getting them to hear that animal companion howling for help.
  • Then there's the fort. Flying to the main keep is not an issue. The whole point of getting to the keep is to make them use up their resources before Lucrecia. The wizard can cast fly several times, and skip all those weak ogres outside, or fireball approximately the same number of times, all for weak treasure.
  • Flood battle: less peril if they're all flying, but not a big deal
  • The dam: flying to it causes them to miss some treasure and an ettin, IIRC. Once inside, it's pretty cramped quaters.
  • Battle at Sandpoint: I think this would be enhanced with flight, actually.
  • Barl breakbones: This was a great fight when I ran it. It really stretches CR: he has, what, 23 HD or something ridiculous, and a bunch of wizard levels on top of that. He has good ranged attacks, so flying is not a big deal. In the parts leading up to him, it's all a matter of draining resources from the party.
  • "Go to the black tower". Teleportation exists here, so fly is no longer a deal-breaker. After this, it's all underground, so you can play with the tunnel heights if you wish. Flight could make the boss fight more interesting.

    I didn't have a wizard doing fly on everyone, but I did have a druid use call animal to get a roc to fly them places. I don't recall them really missing much.

    Thing is, the adventure "knows" that flight is available. It may not expect widespread usage until 5th level spells are available, but as James Jacobs says, some encounters are there to make the PCs feel powerful, and I think this qualifies. It's natural to be concerned that everyone will feel challenged enough, but I think it's just the initial shock of seeing the ability used for the first time. The PCs (in character, maybe even their players) might be in for a shock when it stops working so well. Hang in there!

  • Oh, level-ups are indeed fast with this one. I ran it for my group in 22 sessions (admittedly, that's pretty fast), and note that there are 16 level-ups (the final battle might have made them level 18, but the game ended, so I didn't tally XP). So yes, lots of leveling up.

    I recommend the approach where you level where the AP says to, though deviate from it so the level-up happens at the end of your session if you want there to be no interruptions. I granted XP, and it ended up being almost exactly aligned with the books expectations. I did it as group XP, though, no individual rewards. (The reward in doing something cool is the fact you did something cool, right?)

    As for magic items, don't worry about that so much. There is lots of treasure in this AP, including magic items, and there is plenty of time to head down to Magnimar or another city to purchase items that Sandpoint won't have.

    There is one potential snag in book 1 where there are some shadows, and no magic weapons were found before then. The party ran away from that encounter, and purchased a wand of magic weapon. If you want to be nice, include a scroll or two of it in, say, the Catacombs of Wrath, but I'd say just let it be as-is and see how they solve the problem.

    (spoiler button, by the way is: [ s p o i l e r ] T e x t h e r e [ / s p o i l e r ] (just without the spaces between each letter -- under the post editor, there is "How to format your text" and a button called "Show" -- click "Show").

    For roleplaying, there are few opportunities for meaningful RP in this, IMO. (Well, what I mean is, good, lengthy conversations.) I didn't get to experience it as a player, so I can't truly speak to that, however. But since you're the GM, and you enjoy RP, I think two things result from this: 1) you can add good flavor to the villains, really make them memorable, and 2) RPing the NPCs helps the players get into the RP mood a little better, I think.

    This is just going to be a GM call. I can't see this debate ending with community consensus.

    I see valid arguments for it working and not working. If I were GM, I would personally say "no" for disintegrate because raise dead is the same level and specifically describes how and what it heals (regarding body parts and the like), whereas breath of life does not say anything about restoring the body, only the state of being dead or alive, in terms of hit points. As a result, in my most favorable interpretation, you have gathered up dust, cast breath of life, and have made those specs of dust into a live pile of cells, and without some sort of oxygen and nutrient delivery system, that pile of cells won't last very long. But, that pile of cells could perhaps be the intermediary step in a much larger plan. So, if the players had a crazy plan where this was the first step, I'd see where it goes. But now the discussion is out of scope, so I'll stop here.

    For fun, consider the implications on trolls and/or the spell regenerate!

    Relixander wrote:
    THat is getting into some extreme detail for lighting effects. Most players GM's I have encountered treat magical light a little different. A good example is a light bearing sword. If magical light worked as normal light, a light bearing sword, or flaming sword for that matter would cause more problems than benefits, visually. Most players and GM's I have played with take magical light as an area effect, thus eliminating the "blinding source point" effectively providing light in the area listed, although the magic eminates from a point, the light is treated as an area effect. Perhaps I am wrong in this interpretation, but if not, a light spell should impose a to hit penalty in most situations (as the group would be effectively blind if the light were in front of them). A sword bearing light would be nearly impossible to use, as it would effectively blind the user to anything that the sword was in front of. I can see (no pun intended) the difference for non-magical light, but the sake of game play magical light should be treated differently. Unless of course the spell/ability allows for specific effects, like say "Blinding Flash".

    I'm kind of being a little ridiculous on purpose. Still, it's one of those weird things when you think about it. I don't think there should be rules concerning it, but thematically, a light source orbiting my head would totally bug the hell out of me. Ultimately, it's best to ignore it and assume you get a radius of light, but once you start thinking "what would this thing be like", it gets really weird.

    I don't think any of the books say anything about this, but as Diego Rossi mentioned, the stone orbits your head. Well, the books DO say that, but not the consequences. In darkness, you should be casting a shadow opposing the stone. That seems like it would be seriously annoying. Not to mention that once per orbit, it is in front of your face, and even assuming it's at forehead level, it shines light almost directly into your eyes.

    The price is fine. Er, rephrase: it can be considered to be fine. Why? A secret cult of disgruntled archon-blooded aasimar are churning out these mysterious magic items and unleashing them upon the world. Maybe to disrupt the economy? Who can say.

    I'd eliminate the ioun torch, then change the everburning torch to be a lapel pin, or something.

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