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If you have to have a "reason" to include anyone who's not a hetero white male, then your story's going to look like a whole lot of pale, boring sausage.
Well, when you write a story you're not just watching random events unfold. You are (usually?) making deliberate choices, so anything included is bound to have a "reason" to exist. In the perfect world, that reason should be in service of the story, rather than a 'diversity checklist'.
At least, that's how I understand his point.
It's a lot like Storm Front (the first novel of the Dresden Files) in that respect, if you've ever read the Dresden Files.
I have, and while I think the series generally has improved over the years, with Butcher I mostly took issue with his pacing. With MHI I just couldn't stand reading one more page about the protagonist. Urgh.
It's possible the series gets better, but if you can't get past the first book it's kinda a lost cause. :)
Still. I want to reiterate that Instruments of War is brilliant. Even if you, like me, know/care absolutely nothing about Warmachine.
Oh. I would never have found that on my own. :D
Sounds good so far! Though I wonder how they can debug the main plot-related quests without having a rather large number of people actually play them. Is this more like a technology beta?
Well, yeah. Sorta. It's not so much a "catch bugs" beta as it is a "give feedback on the system" beta. This includes the layout of quests and conversations that, presumably, will also be applicable to the main story (or any story not part of this small snippet of the game world.)
It's too early to talk about mechanics, but the game does feel very much like the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate that I was pining for.
The current round of beta is set from level 5 to 8, and take place in a small town in the wilderness. It's void of any main plot stuff, as to avoid spoiling the story for any beta testers (I have no words for how much I appreciate this. :p)
So far, I feel there maybe isn't a lot of information available in chargen, so it's hard to make fully informed choices. What I don't know is whether this is a quirk of the beta, a deliberate design decision, or the consequence of a design where there really aren't any "wrong choices" (this I'll believe when I see it.)
I've not really gotten to any significant combat yet, but I got the sense it works fairly similar to the traditional games of the genre. Magic appears to be using a classic D&D-esque vancian system, but I haven't figured out how to memorize spells yet, so I'm not sure. :)
Still, I have heard from many people that Obsidian games tend to be very buggy. So, I guess I would say that I'm pessimistically optimistic? If that even makes sense?
Obsidian has a weird track record of having their games released before they're ready (as was evident in KotOR 2, and don't get me started on Alpha Protocol). I think Pillars of Eternity is really going to be indicative of what they can do. If that ends up a buggy mess, they are really out of excuses. And if it ends up great, that'll be great!
Well, he's not going to wake up as a woman. He loses his power and his title, and a woman takes over. That's the premise.
Well, the official blurb goes something like:
"This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is THOR. This is the THOR of the Marvel Universe."
It still comes off less as "a woman now wields the power of Thor" and more as "this is the one and only Thor."
Scenario #1 could be cool, scenario #2 is pretty dumb.
Andrew R wrote:
For me i will not play females with high strength. Not that a woman cannot have it, just that i accept reality that a woman of that strength would be just as big and muscled as a man, not the 130 lbs or less that we think of as feminine. To the flip side of that (mostly thanks to tv) i envision almost all high dex concepts as female
That's lovely. Thanks for sharing.
When did this happen in DDO? Last time I played you HAD to be in a group. And it was nearly impossible to find a good group. Want to solo up a couple levels? Sorry we will flatly kill you dead if you DARE enter a dungeon as a solo player EVEN if you are 5 to 10 levels higher than it. That was when I quit DDO... even the guild I was in wasn't interested in helping a lower level member catch up... I just got left behind and the game kicked me to the curb hard. That and leveling got to be such a grind even with a group... play the same few dungeons over and over and over seemingly endlessly till you finally get to level. That's probably why nobody ever wanted to group with a lower player they had already played that content 50 times themselves and they were mighty sick of it.
From my experience, it never really went away. They changed it so you could solo through the first docks quarter, but around level 4, when you got out into the main game, it was still Team or Die.
The game probably has the best mission layout of any MMO to date, but I found it next to impossible to actually experience it when you're forced to team with players who's done it a million times before and really just want to blitz through as fast as possible.
There were a lot of elements to DDO that I really enjoyed, but I just couldn't play it at my pace. And that's a deal breaker.
(That said, the first three levels are some of the most fun I've had in an MMO.)
There are not-dumb ways to combine the two. And, to be fair, we don't know if they are going for one of those.
(Though the official statements aren't filling me with confidence.)
Also, just to lay that to rest, I get that 'Lady' is female, whether it's a noble title or not. That's why "Lady Thor" sounds silly. So does 'Dame Thor', 'Thor Girl' or 'Miss Thor' (though that would be an awesome name for a drag queen act).
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
I don't know where you're from Citizen Slaunyeh
The made-up country of Denmark!
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
My work here is done. ;)
*vanishes in a poof of rainbow sparkles*
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Really, that's the best you've got?
I didn't realize we were having a competition.
For reference, the alternatives were going "Objection your honour, relevance?" Or a long tirade about the bombing of Copenhagen in 1807, ending on a snarky "good guy??"
So, to answer your question: Yes, that was the best I got. And I thought you were better than this, too. Guess it's a day for disappointment!
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Oh, someone else in the history of the world has been a douche, I guess that makes it alright then!
Kirth Gersen wrote:
The important thing to remember, though, is that the whole country was caught up in a massive Satanism scare at the time
Hm, I don't remember that at all. Of course, I didn't really play in the 70s and 80s, I only got my eyes up for roleplaying games when I inherited my sister's red-box in, like, 1990 or something so if anyone grew up with that it'd be her.
Still, it wasn't really a thing at all, as far as I recall. Those who knew what roleplaying games were at all (read: parents of roleplayers who cared what their kids got up to) saw it mostly as a craze that prompted their kids to learn English and spend all day pouring over dictionaries and discuss what the heck a "hobgoblin" is (hint: An oxford's dictionary is exceedingly unhelpful with D&D terms :p), so generally not a bad thing.
For everyone else, I don't think they were even aware of what it was or that it might be an "issue". There was the occasional thing on TV, but I don't remember details. It was probably just foreigners being crazy foreigners. ;)
Looks neat. Is he the guy from the latest Captain America movie?
Also, how does taking over as Captain America work? Is it just costume + name + bring-your-own-powers-to-work-day? Or do they have spare supersoldier serum lying around?
I believe that in the Norse myths, he's still the God of Thunder (and other polios) even without Mjolnir, as he was before he received the weapon. To be fair, he was also described as red haired and red bearded, and Marvel doesn't have him married to Sif anymore or fathering Thrúd, Módi, or Magni... or a lot of other things.
Yeah, I guess this is one of the main disconnects between Thor and MarvelThor.
Marvel can obviously do whatever the heck they want. That doesn't make it an inherently good idea. :p
I'm glad you like the change, but could we dial down the sniping of other posters? No sense descending to those levels just because you disagree with them.
I think it's less of an issue for older folk. Once you get past the age of 30 you're more likely to have a good concept of who you are and have better tools to do reexamination internally.
Enh. I guess. When I was a kid I hated those Spielberg movies where a bunch of kids were the heroes. Maybe I'm an odd duck.
Anyway, that was kinda my point. I don't think I've ever really felt a 'need to feel represented', and I think that's okay. It means they can represent someone else who needs it more, and I can still enjoy the story (assuming it doesn't suck. ;) )
Heh. If it hadn't been for the thread/article title, I don't think I'd have noticed anything "wrong" about that lineup.
The article doesn't seem to go into detail about who these people are (I admit, I skimmed a bit), but none of them seems to represent me (they all look so young!) And that's okay, I don't really need to feel represented to enjoy a good story.
"When we deny women and girls representation, we put them in ever smaller boxes," she wrote. "And when we limit their potential, we limit the potential of our culture as a whole. When we limit the contributions of half our society, we cut our potential in two."
I... uh, okay, this is me talking from a "didn't really grow up with these comic books" perspective, but maybe that's giving comic books slightly more importance than they really deserve. It's just comic books. I'm pretty sure Marvel isn't the last line of defense against cultural decay, or something. :p
Would it be nice with a broader representation of women in comic books? Absolutely! Is it going to destroy our cultural basis that girls have to pick between She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel and femThor? Probably not.
But I get that I'm a weirdo, so feel free to ignore!
Slight tangent: Also, that picture of Captain Marvel? *swoons*
Well the guys griping an complaining about the black Nick Fury replacing the White nick fury in the 616 Marvel universe on the message boards that I frequent about a year or two ago were figments of my imagination?
Nah, I'm sure they were not. I'd be surprised if there were not idiots in any group of people. But that wasn't the question you answered...
Freehold DM wrote:
wha? You must have been in another internet or comic book store. The shaft jokes were all over the place.
You should reread the original question.
I'll sum it up for convenience:
Q: Does the people who dislike this also hate a black Nick Fury?
Easily demonstrated to be false, as I think femThor is a silly gimmick, while having absolutely no issue with a black Nick Fury (or Heimdal for that matter). Heck, if the alternative is David Hasselhoff, I'd prefer every comic book character to be black.
Given how neither of those changes your name or makes you a god of something when you put them on then yes, the comparison is equally apt.
I get the complaint, it just misses the point. Which was closer to: haha, norse mythology is like the precursor to the D&D christmas tree effect. :p
This is, I think, the most important point. I mean, they could take the idea in a good direction, or a stupid direction. But the only thing that has been presented so far is "omg Thor is a woman now!" which is, hopefully, not the full story.
Blondie isn't being turned into a woman. (although that HAS happened in the comics) There actually is a different person, possibly Sif? getting both the hammer, powers, and the name of Thor. That's happened to. A stuntman once was found worthy and he was given Thor's mythological belt and glove of strength to help him wield Mjolnir.
In Pathfinder terms, that's like stealing a fighter's +2 sword and then you become that fighter. I don't care how you twist it, it's silly. :p
There are ways that Thor could pass on the torch, as it were, (and preferably to someone a little less White Power) but going "oh yeah and Thor is a chick now" isn't the best way.
Oh. The belt and gloves are a thing in Marvel too?
I remember a Dark Heresy game a while back. The group got themselves into some hot water, surrounded by evil cultists they are brought before the cultist leader who just wants a pleasant chat. He promises to let us go, on a few conditions.
It's all quite civil, really.
Also, all the PCs are nervously eying my Adepta Sororitas, because really, this is a "do as he say or die" situation. So I just smile politely to the GM and say: "I shoot him."
Things went to hell quite fast, after that.
I'm working on making her a more... 'constructive' character. :)
(incidentally, all the PCs survived more or less intact. In unrelated news, flamers are <3).
I don't know what it is about Dark Heresy, but I find it very easy to just not care about the consequences and just do what my character would do. This would never have happened in a D&D game.