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No. You tell me what accountability there is. Tell me some stories of people who have broken the rules for what is allowed to collect in the intelligence community and were held accountable for it. Please.
Edit because of an edit: Sure, you can convince me. If you have evidence. So far, all I have seen is a stinking mire of flagrant abuse of what laws there are supposed to be. From the Patriot act, to Guantanamo, to nonexistent WMDs, to foreign wars leaving entire countries in shambles and fertile soil for more hatred, to vile pressure on other countries to cease using checks and balances and due process, to predatory copyright practices, to radiation of people in airports (turns out those things DID have a special mode that could send all gathered images to some central location, precisely against what the government claimed at the time, who knew???), to unthinking defense of policemen and intelligence people caught doing wrong, and so on and so forth.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And you claiming it's not so while ignoring the evidence that it is doesn't change anything. And trying to take the high ground by painting the other party as an unchanging fanatic is not good practice, Abraham.
Edit because of another edit: It IS a core belief of my being that every kind of authoritarianism is dangerous. At best. At worst, it means immense suffering and horror. History has proven this right every single time. So, when I see the US acting that way, given its power, I am not going to change my views of it to accomodate the very interests who push it that direction. I know the US can do better, and it's past time it did now. Once I see change in the right direction, supporting that will be a happier activity.
To clarify: The evidence you need would need to fit with what can actually be seen around us.
Dead is, typically, dead. It's fascinating how clear that can be. Certainly, there are situations where someone can still be breathing just a tiny bit, or there is still a pulse somewhere, but mostly those situations look good in movies. It's a world of difference looking at a dead and an unconscious person. Sure, in combat it's more difficult, but a simple DC 15 Heal check solves all you need.
Cats are very different in how they like to be petted. Generally, their tummy is very sensitive, and it varies whether they like being petted there. Other points where cats vary significantly:Being carried, some accept it, most hate it. Being turned belly up, some hate this. Getting tangles cut, some growl menacingly the whole time, but let you go on. Hunting, some love this. The important thing is taking the "gifts" away, smart cats eat their prey outside instead. Some think it is horrible to be stroked against their fur, most seem to have no problem with it. Cats are individuals, as anyone who had more than one can attest. As for the scratching, don't get expensive furniture, cut their claws when they start clicking as they walk, and if they scratch or bite you, consider yourself honoured the cat feels safe enough with you. You can usually avoid it by not triggering their hunting reflexes (moving stuff close to their faces and such).
Oh, and cats do need to go out, or they turn into fat, neurotic wrecks.
I had a succubus join the party for a while, disguised as an incompetent noblewoman fighter with a rapier. Eventually, of course, she got some "alone time" with one of them. The rest approached, unsure of what they were seeing at first, then when she had drained her target once, she told them "bye for now" and teleported off. Now they will be sooo paranoid about her returning...
The problem today is that every book must be 150+ hardbound pages of full colour to be published. Yes, even adventures. Paizo shows every month that while you keep to full colour, you can actually do with far smaller books. By comparison, TSR made 32-pages of black and white that worked fine. For good examples of it, try the various Volo's Guides.
Meh. Doctor Doom is an authority figure. RL authority figures don't like the sheeple casting authority figures of any sort as villains or problems. Thus, Doom gets remade as an anti-authoritarian villain. Big surprise. Expect the trend to continue. The Brood Queen becomes a devout Amnesty International supporter. The Red Skull becomes a civil rights lawyer. Magneto becomes an intelligence agency whistleblower...
Shackles lorenlord to a chair and affixes a harness for holding his eyes open while misting the eyes so they don't dry out, so he can really look at the entirety of the Teletubbies series, over and over. Meanwhile, food and other needed things are provided. What? Didn't kill him? No, of course not. This way doesn't kill someone's body. It kills their soul.
So don't worry. The chances that someone would steal it are pretty minuscule. At any rate, it's far less likely than you trying to publish an idea you had and discovering that someone else already published that idea independently of you. My suggestion is to either put it here so others can see what you did and maybe build further on it, or don't put it anywhere on the net and work only on it yourself.
The truly sad part is when sex workers get touted as victims by other people, who staunchly refuse to let actual sex workers talk about what they need... but that's a different issue. I guess my point is just that we would all do well to find out what the people we're speaking out for actually want.
Okay... this movie, called Twilight Imperium, is a vampire movie about sexy vampires, aiming at girls 12-18 years old, but these vampires can do magic via bad latin and waving wands, they get up on stage and sing like a boy band called Twilight Imperium, and they have BDSM relationships to one another. We originally thought we could get Sarah Michelle Gellar and Wesley Snipes, but both turned out to be... uh... busy. So, we discussed a marketing deal with the One Direction boys, who could probably agree to do the starring roles. Their condition was to drop the blood drinking parts of vampires, the bad latin, and they were adamant on having their characters sparkle in sunlight. So, what do you say?
The next poster has to tell the crew the response of the execs.
Hmmmm... more difficult than I thought. See, if I just end three religions, making billions of religion-less people, they will just end up finding a new one among the remaining ones. But if I make my own religion, it will run a fair risk of getting subverted into another pissy mass religion driven by anxious people who want to drool about sin and heresy. Nah. The unique choice here is to end a few of the big ones. I'll go with that.
Never doubt yourself,
This thread truly breaks interesting ground. We even have an argued defense of the "crack them in the mouth" style of politeness. Let's start with that.
If social contracts are to be upheld with violence, you get MORE violence, not less. Expect to be punched now and then, because whether you actually follow the applicable rules of etiquette, people will make their own interpretations. Not a big deal? A good punch to the face has a decent chance of a) breaking your nose, b) breaking your jaw (argument fracture, usually comes in with another person with a digit 5 fracture of the metacarpal bone, true story), c) causing a concussion, d) destroying your sense of smell and taste (beyond the basic tastes) permanently, e) causing a fall with a more severe head injury as a consequence, f) otherwise damaging your face, sometimes in a permanent manner. I may have missed a few. It is not something that should ever be taken lightly. A slap is usually not dangerous to someone's health, but go further than that and people get injured.
Worse, you get cultural effects of that that are probably not what you want. In such a system, a 98-lb weakling gets punched frequently, someone big and bulky never gets it, no matter what he says to whom. Not letting musclebound oafs dictate our social contracts is one of the most brilliant changes made by recent generations. It also certainly tied into things like "never strike a woman" policies, all of which conveniently seemed to not apply to women you were married to, often by law. It is also worth noting that sword-canes were a rather popular option back then, evidence of a social and literal arms race. Violence was insanely more prevalent back then.
So... catcalling is enough of a problem that we want to ignore social change that was doggedly put into place to protect people from violence? Really? Get a grip, you guys.
Lemmy: If you don't like FF8, then you are a truly worthless human being. Scum of the Earth and all that. Defend yourself.
In every situation like this, it ends up with identity. Sadly, perhaps. We humans NEED identities. We aren't happy unless there is someone telling us who we are. We conflate "role in other people's lives" with "point of my existence". In some ways, long term-relationships and friendships do provide this, and some people are happy being pretty much alone, but for those who can't do either of those things, being given an identity is crucial.
So why this ramble?
Because culture is the integrated view of identities. And, let's face it, much of these kinds of expressions, like catcalling, complimenting, and so on, is a cultural manifestation. As was repeatedly stated, in places where the general, larger culture allowed for non-personal communication without issue, catcalling et al were smaller phenomena. And so, since debates like this do not reach outside the culture in which they are discussed, raging here about how improper it is to catcall isn't going to accomplish anything whatsoever. Rather, it comes across more like "Look how badly all those poor, unemployed people are behaving. Ugh. Someone really ought to do something about the... that. Whatever."
You know me by now, I am not one who usually sees things in terms of class divides, racial issues and so on. Even so, I think in this instance, the gobbo is right. It doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's not a random sample of all the men in a society who do this. And if not, we need to discuss REASONS. WHY did the guys in the video try to talk to a woman just passing on the street? Because in their culture, it's more okay to do so? Because they are poor and don't really have anything to lose from not showing courtesy? Because they felt that since they didn't have a chance with that girl anyway, they should try showing her she was unwelcome on their sidewalk? Because, perhaps, they were lonely and any sort of human contact, even hostile such, is better than not feeling you exist? All of the above, maybe? Something else?
Think about it. Try to understand the why, and you can find a way to do something about it, to show people a better way. Don't, and you'll never affect anything in a positive way. Even if you consider yourself a better person for being more angry than everyone else about something.
Precisely. No harm, no foul.
This thread started with people being annoyed at catcalls, and, yes, looks. The suggestion was that other men should do something about it. No other suggestions have been given to my knowledge. Considering how infeasible that suggestion is, I think we're ready to conclude that we really don't have a plan. I doubt anyone wants to make a law about any part of it.
Lots of people want to solve every issue there is, usually without understanding the issues. The second of the gobbo's two links back on page 1 was pretty clear on what the first portrayed: Unemployed black and latino men harassing a white woman. Perhaps these men should apply for work as greeters at Wal-Mart?
Humanity contains morons. In other news, water is wet. As you say, it's more if you're particularly attractive. And of course, those are the people who complain and consider themselves assaulted (!!!) because of glances.
Everyone has morons in their lives. At school, at work, in the streets outside, every single place has them. We all have to relate to them somehow. But even if the world would be better without morons, guess what, it's not going to happen. The solutions touted don't work. Considering looking at someone to be assault is monstrous, and any law to such effect would be either ridiculed to death or a travesty of justice beyond anything ever seen before. Getting other men to help call out attention to it, well, in a world where people shout "fire!" to get people to come to help deal with a burglar, people regularly get beaten and sometimes even killed because they ended up in an argument... that isn't really going to be an option. I am sure it would feel great to one of the women who got ASSAULTED by someone's looks to have some man she didn't know protest against the look and get beaten for it.
I would also like to clarify: There is a MASSIVE problem if some people think it's okay to equate "he looked at me OMG how horrible" with actual assault. It isn't, never has been, and hopefully never will be. If your problems are that people look at you, there are people with real problems that deserve far more attention than you do.
I am saying it is a part of "beautiful privilege" that "beautiful" people don't want. Present yourself to get attention and you will have it, only not just from the people you want it from. Certainly, there are people who end up in the "beautiful" category without even trying, and my sympathies do go out to them, but most of the people who complain about this attention spend large chunks of their lives trying to GET attention. Now they are suddenly victims because the attention they get is not from the people they want it from? Cry me a river.
Of course, if they DO get assaulted or otherwise treated badly in a direct way (not just looked at, you know?), it's an entirely different situation and should be treated as such.