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*shakes head*
Let me start by saying I have both editions of the Forgotten Realms Campaign (box)Set. I also have the City of Splendors, The North, and an incomplete Menzoberranzan.
In any case the original boxset covers far less of the Realms then the Pathfinder CS. I'm not even talking about the silly add-on settings people either like or hate. I'm talking about Faerun proper here, there's the whole middle chuck on faerun that's not covered or barely covered. As for the "town descriptions" you mention, go back and have a look. It's less then 3 paragraphs and most are barely over a dozen sentences.
Now I love AD&D and 3e Realms, but I really don't want it any boxset to be like that ever again. If there ever was a boxset I would want Paizo to emulate, it'd be Necromancer's City of Brass set. THAT however came with a $70 price tag and was full black & white, something I know Paizo isn't going to do.
If we were to look at anything, one would have to look at the new Dragon Age boxset by Green Ronin, $30 full color with around 130 pages and realize you don't want a campaign setting to ever come like that.
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The Forgotten wrote:
A lot of people b#~!~ about 4e, the truth is that they needed to cut back their gaming budget and WotC decided to give them a reason to skip 4e (the same happened to WW with the nWOD). Prior realm shattering events haven't substantially hurt FR sales. The problem is to get folk money today you need to have a good system and good setting. 3.x benefits from substantial R&D put in by WotC, 4e is a marginal setting designed by marketing. It doesn't really matter how good the setting material is when it's tied to a marginal system.
No, prior realms events didn't hurt sales because they were all fictional events that were never supported in the gaming product even though they tried to market supplements as such.
As for the setting material, it's not even supported. Two books, one adventure. That's it. Dragon and Dungeon offerings for the Realms have been pathetic and nothing that couldn't have been done if we weren't still in the 3.x timeline.
The Realms as a gaming universe were pulverized so that lazy authors and editors didn't have to look at PDFs from the TSR line (because WOTC never finished updating the important parts of the Realms to 3.x!!!!!) to make sure they weren't contradicting something. If Spellplague didn't kill something the timeline jump did.
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James Jacobs wrote:
MerrikCale wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Since we currently don't have concrete plans for EITHER of those... who can say?
does that mean there are some preliminary ideas for a Runelords compilation?
We have preliminary ideas for a LOT of things. Even this thread contains preliminary ideas for a Runelords compilation.
In other words it's a thought. :)
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KnightErrantJR wrote:
In the interest of full disclosure . . . FR had Kara-Tur, Maztica, the Hordelands, and Zhakara all stapled onto it under TSR (not that those were bad settings on their own, just that often these things were done without the first thought being how to fully incorporate them in a way consistent with the setting).
But let's be fair, most of the things you mentioned would take years for the PCs to get to, similar to Marco Polo going to China, Columbus to America, etc.
And while I agree they are black marks on the Realms, they didn't alter the Realms. They just used real estate on land far far away.
KnightErrantJR wrote:
TSR was also the entity in charge during some of the most dramatic abuses to the Greyhawk setting.
As someone that never really got into Greyhawk I can't comment... so I won't. :)
KnightErrantJR wrote:
Spelljammer and Planescape both "overwrote" aspects of the cosmology or the afterlife that existed in campaign settings before these "oversettings" came out.
Ah ha! The important part here is it's Spelljammer and Planescape. Unless you're a D&D completist, you'd probably not buy products for either setting as a Realms fan and they wouldn't effect your Realms campaign, "currently" or "in the future" when you buy new product.
KnightErrantJR wrote:
TSR also presided over what is pretty much the blueprint for the Spellplague, Dragonlance's Fifth Age and its transition to the original Saga system.
You're blaming TSR for Spellplague?! You can't even blame them for the Shadow weave!
KnightErrantJR wrote:
They also released a series of novels concurrent with the release of a new campaign setting that immediately invalidated the products that had just come out (Dark Sun).
Well yes they did do that.
KnightErrantJR wrote:
I'm only pointing this out to make sure we don't get out the rose colored glasses too quickly. TSR, especially in the 2nd edition days, could and did make some pretty big mistakes with their settings and how to manage them.
Indeed you are. Some of TSRs mistakes were before they got too big, but a lot of them seemed to happen when they got print happy.
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KaeYoss wrote:
SirUrza wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Anyone else thinking "Swallow"? :D
** spoiler omitted **
No.. but now you've got me curious.. was it AD&D or 3e?
Pretty sure it was 3e.
Found it, it was dragon 316.
And you're quoted because I look for all outlets. I forgot to delete that post after I found it. :)
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Dragnmoon wrote:
What I think the publishers want is not that the ebook will be more expensive then the Actual book, but that the price of the ebook for new books that are released in hardcover that are going for $30 be priced higher on Amazon, at 12.99-14.99 instead of 9.99, because they believed the 9.99 price for new books was undercutting the HardCover price too much.
And I think that's too much. $15 puts the book at Trade prices. Wait 8 months to a year later and the mass market comes out.. then the price drops accordingly on the ebook?
The ebook is the same fracking thing. It doesn't have less content. It's not made out of different materials.
Quite frankly it's unacceptable to me.
Dragnmoon wrote:
So you know not all ebooks are are priced at 9.99 on Amazon, some are lower, from what I can see they mostly price match the Mass Market paperback printing price for the books. They seem to be always cheaper the then Hardcover price but not then the paperback price, or not significantly lower then the paperback version.
And some of them are more expensive then $9.99. As a matter of fact, some of them are the SAME price as their trade paperback only formated books.
Dragnmoon wrote:
Why would I want to pay the same exact price for a ebook that I am paying for the Mass Market paperback version?
You shouldn't want to. Sales of the printed book should cover the cost of the printed book. If it can't, well, that means no one wants it and less should be printed... since anything unsold is just going into a trash compactor behind the bookstore anyway.
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KaeYoss wrote:
Anyone else thinking "Swallow"? :D
** spoiler omitted **
No.. but now you've got me curious.. was it AD&D or 3e?
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I voted with my wallet a looong time ago.
I never once paid for a WOTC PDF. Why? WOTC was selling their PDFs for THE SAME price as the printed copy. The PHB is the ONLY book I'd ever consider buying twice (and have.. I have 4 copies of it, the first copy, the replacement, and 2 discounted softcover versions which I love!) because of extensive wear and tear. But I'd certainly not consider paying for a digital copy of it for the same price.
Forget about the SRD for a sec, how much work is REALLY put into taking the production digital copy (for printing) and making it a retail digital copy (for PDFs)? I'd wager a dozen mouse clicks and an hour or two of just going through it to make sure there aren't any errors. Hardly justifies a $30+ price tag when "the work" put into the book is SUPPOSED to be paid for by print sales.
If your a "major creator of content" and your product isn't good enough to sell hard copy, you probably shouldn't be depending on digital sales.
All that aside, we are talking about novels and such... plain text documents that will be sold to us completely in black & white in MANY cases. Just like kindle books, if the printed copy is $9.99 and the digital copy is priced for more then half that, I won't be buying the same book twice nor will I be buying it if I've never read it.
To be honest, if I've benefited in any way from the kindle store, it's been the previews. I've been able to download the previews of the books, read them when I can, and decide if I want the printed copy.. since the digital copy certainly wasn't priced attractive (and in a lot of cases, not discounted at all!)
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Sara Marie wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
Sara Marie wrote:
SirUrza wrote:
Now we gotta see the witch in her full glory!
Seoni might have some competition...
Might? Trust me, when you see the color version of the witch... there is no might. She blows all the others waaaaay out of the water!
edit: Also, why does it have to be a competition? Why can't everyone win?
Isn't that who your forum icon is? The witch iconic that is. From what little there is to see I think she will be in the running.
Yup, only a friend in a high place did a couple little changes to it, like changing the hair color.
Sure tease us even further. :P
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KnightErrantJR wrote:
SirUrza wrote:
UGH! You had to look up Denning? Troy "the Axeman" Denning! He's written all over the place and when bad things have to happen in a franchise he's the author people seem to go to. :)
Not to mention when you want to invalidate a campaign setting as soon as it comes out. ;)
I think that was the plan all along. :P
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