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Freehold DM wrote:
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Atrocious wrote:
You don't actually think police are less likely to shoot an armed/violent white criminal than they are a black one do you?

I absolutely, positively, 100% think the police are statistically more likely to shoot a black person then a white person, given the same set of circumstances. Maybe it is different in other areas, but that seems to be the case where I live. For example, in my county, there was a wealth white guy in a wealthy area who SHOT AT POLICE WITH AN AK-47 - he left uninjured. Compare that with the black vet who was killed by police - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kenneth_Chamberlain,_Sr.

I fully encourage you test that theory by grabbing a gun and threatening some police officers then. Have fun.
worked well enough for the guy in ferries county.

I'm not sure what case you're referring to.

Regardless I'm not interested.

You people may dismiss my posts are trolling if you prefer, but don't get upset with me when I point out that the most likely outcome will happen most of the time. Yes, you can probably find cases of white people not getting shot when they should have and black people getting shot when they shouldn't. This is what is known as anecdotal evidence.

The overwhelming body of evidence that is statistics doesn't support a police war on black people. I do however accept the notion that black people don't trust the police.

The fact that black people don't trust police is due to them being told their entire lives that they shouldn't, that the system is out to get them. I blame this on race-baiters like Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and their ilk.

Regardless, I'm done with this thread and further discussion serves no purpose. The justice system has ruled, the evidence supports the police officer. Case closed.

Police war on black people? Overturned by statistics! Math can't lie!

Black people distrusting the police?...

Yes typical white supremacy at it's finest. If they didn't see it or experience it themselves? It doesn't exist or only exists in their (black peoples) minds as they are a lying race of liars who lie. and led by their noses and are incapable of thinking for themselves or counting their own experiences. AWESOME.

Honestly I dont even know how you do it Freehold DM. You have the patience of several saints.


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I'd like either Reed Richards level of intelligence or Tony Stark level of engineering ability. Ideally a combination of both.

I'd be solving problems all day and everyday.

Clean, Renewable energy sources? Done.

Non-Lethal Weaponry? Done.

Faster than Light Travel capabilities? Done.

Curing diseases (Cancer, HIV, Parkinsons, etc)? Done.

Building moon based Mass Drivers aimed at the earth? Done.

Wait...did I say that last bit out loud?


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I'm not a WOTC supporter by any means and have no intention of playing or supporting 5E but maybe you should wait until you actually get the book in your hands before you kinda write it off?

I know it sucks and your feelings are valid but just wait and see for yourself I think is probably your best bet. And then after persuing the book if it lacks what you wanted / expected? By all means act accordingly.

There are going to be a bunch of people who are going to come in here and lay into you by saying that your expectations were off base and or crazy and it's not WOTC's fault that youre upset and that youre a bad person for feeling the way that you do.

IGNORE THOSE PEOPLE.

Just hold off until you get the book IN YOUR HANDS. Then make up your own mind. It might not actually be that bad.


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Te'Shen wrote:
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. . . It was easily the weakest and most predictable of the crop of new Disney movies thus far and that's including Frozen in that bunch. Loved WRECK-IT-RALPH though.

Just out of curiosity, how would you make a children's movie unpredictable? How do you buck the "Good triumphs" and everybody who isn't evil gets to have a "Happy Ever After" without traumatizing a child?

I recently watched a three year old watch "How to Train Your Dragon" (...kind of age inappropriate, I know...) and the degree to which the child worried about Toothless and Hiccup surprised, endeared, and worried me all at once, especially during the near death scene at the end.

Children, despite what popular culture would have most people think, are not made of paper. Nor are their psyches so fragile that they wouldn't be able to take a modicum of sadness or brutality in their entertainment.

The first 5 - 10 Min of FINDING NEMO?
The first 5 - 10 Min of UP?
The reveal of the fates of the other supers in THE INCREDIBLES.
The end of IRON GIANT?
The first 5 -10 of Bambi?
The end of HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON 2?

When we sat down to watch FINDING NEMO for the first time that opening took my wife and I completely off guard, but the rest of the movie was a prime example of getting you invested in the main characters and REALLY wanting things to work out well for them BECAUSE of what happens in that opening sequence.

There was, for me at least, no investment in any of the characters (in BIG HERO 6) beyond knowing that the main character was going to go through the classic heroic journey.

One of the things that I really liked about the first HOW TO TRAIN YOUR DRAGON was that after the mid movie reveal, the stakes FELT high. And in the end the hero doesn't come out of it completely unscathed. His victory COSTS him something.

In WRECK IT RALPH, while a bit predicable (I figured out that someone wasn't exactly who they said they were but not WHO)also had characters who's motivations I understood and wanted to see them fulfilled. What surprised me a little were how high the stakes got and how far the main character was willing to go to save everyone. That's kinda what I mean by predictability.


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I wanted to like it. I was at the TOMORROWLAND/BIG HERO 6 panel at NYCC when they showed multiple clips of BIG HERO 6 and they did almost nothing to get me excited for the movie.

On the other hand I walked into that panel knowing NOTHING about TOMORROWLAND (other than it was being directed by Brad Bird)3 and after seeing an extended clip from THAT movie I cant wait until May.

Saw Big Hero 6 last week with the spouse and spawn and I remained unimpressed with it. It was easily the weakest and most predictable of the crop of new Disney movies thus far and that's including Frozen in that bunch. Loved WRECK-IT-RALPH though.


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Saw it at the Red Carpet Premiere a week ago today. Initially just wanted to see the movie but had a lot of fun at the Red Carpet Fan Event. Got pictures with Anne Hathaway (she's really good at actually taking pictures with fans), Jessica Chastain and really bad picture with Chris Nolan himself.

Then got seated for the movie at the HUGE Lincoln Center IMAX screen...IN THE 3RD ROW. It was not an ideal movie watching experience.
Still enjoyed the movie though and saw it again on Saturday morning in the same theater in much better seats and it was AMAZING.

IMAX 70MM is fantastic and the sound mix was INSANE. When the Ranger was taking off that first time to link up with the ENDURANCE I swear I felt that launch IN MY CHEST. More of these please, especially WITHOUT the 3D.

All of the performances were solid and Nolan lays out the setup for what happens in the last half of the film in the first half and during several of the discussions between Cooper, Brand, Rom and Doyle.

Also there needs to be TARS and CASE action figures as TARS might have been my favorite character in the movie.

4 Star movie. Please see it in the best possible theater that you can. This is a movie theater movie. Youre gonna lose a lot of the immersion on a regular 50" TV screen of an iPad...


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Referring to the original question:

No I'm not concerned. Quite frankly I look at the fact that people have been complaining about bloat since the APG came out that the entire complaint and the people who do are a joke.

It comes down to this: you either feel compelled to buy and use everything or YOU DO NOT.

If you feel compelled to to buy and use everything and then complain about the fact that the company in question makes to much content and that it's overwhelming? Then the problem isnt the company or the developers or the content creators it's YOU.

I have several Warhammer 40K armies. I started out with ONE, a vanilla Space Marine force. Over the years I've built an Eldar, a Dark Eldar, a Tau, an Ork, a Space Wolves and a Tyranid army.
At no point did I start complaining to Games Workshop about TOO MANY ARMIES!!! TOO MUCH BLOAT!!! as that would have been the rantings of a completely irrational and questionably sane person. No one and I mean NO ONE forced me to spend the money on those armies. I WANTED TO. I take FULL RESPONSIBILITY for my purchases and support.

RESPONSIBILITY.

MINE.


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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:


And in Alien, the ship's captain violates quarantine procedures and brings an alien life form on board despite explicit regulations prohibiting doing so (and against the advice of the ship's warrant officer). That was a pretty dumb move, but nobody b+$*!es about that.

The reason that no one complains about that is because that's NOT what happens. AT ALL.

** spoiler omitted **

That IS what happens.

** spoiler omitted **

Culpable for his actions? At that point he has no power TO ACT.

Movie plot spoiler:
He's not in charge, RIPLEY IS. He cant physically open the door no matter how much he argues and yells at Ripley.

Ultimately he gets on the Nostromo because of Ash's own set of ulterior motives. But in the scene? Dallas is NOT ultimately responsible for the alien getting on the ship. ASH IS.

If Dallas had found a way to circumvent the lock on the outside hatch and get everyone in? You'd be absolutely, 100% correct here. But youre laying the actions that someone else took firmly on the shoulders of another character and that doesnt seem right at all.


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danielc wrote:
I loved this game, but I lost interest when they changed the scale and made my rather large collection obsolete and worthless. Too bad. The setting was quite fun and the models were nice. Not sure I want to buy in again.

Wait...I have a bunch (at least 20 or so) miniatures from the first or second iteration of Heavy Gear. Does this mean I cant use them with the rules from this version or even alongside the newer mini's if I support this Kickstarter?


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Benchak the Nightstalker wrote:


And in Alien, the ship's captain violates quarantine procedures and brings an alien life form on board despite explicit regulations prohibiting doing so (and against the advice of the ship's warrant officer). That was a pretty dumb move, but nobody b+$*!es about that.

The reason that no one complains about that is because that's NOT what happens. AT ALL.

Movie plot spoiler:
Dallas and Lambert haul Kane's body to the door and Dallas informs Ripley of Kane's status (facehuggered) and tells her to open the door.

She declines and tells Dallas why. They could infect the ship and put everyone else in danger. They have a back and forth as Dallas is desparate to get his friend back on the ship and get him some medical attention. They whole time the Science Officer, Ash is listening in and it's HE who opens the door for Dallas, Lambert and Kane and let's them on the ship.

Ripley confronts him about this later on and reminds him that when Dallas is off the Nostromo that Ripley is in fact in charge.

Remember, we find out the investigating that signal was on the Company's agenda even BEFORE the Nostromo took off for this trip as Dallas tells Ripley that he'd shipped out with another Science Officer several times before and just before this trip they pulled that guy and replaced him with Ash...


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The last survivors think they know the true Engineer's homeworld and make their way back to the ship and fly away.
This is exactly why I am excited to see the next movie. Love this set-up.

Going to the Engineers homeworld, after they've already demonstrated that they are willing to put considerable resources into wiping out humanity and the only reason they haven't is that something went wrong and they haven't realized they failed yet, rather than going home and warning earth so it isn't completely undefended when they do rock up to finish the job?

I see no problems with this plan at all.

Now I LIKED Prometheus despite the fact that almost the entire cast was made of the most dumb and annoying people ever. I saw it in IMAX 3D in the theater and it was an AMAZING visual experience.

That being said the whole idea of going to the planet of 8ft tall super strong serial killers to ask them WHY they want to serial kill you?

Just seems like the mother of ALL STUPID IDEAS.


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...Which is why I was a little surprised to see that Cap was working for them at the beginning of the Winter Soldier...

I kind of took it as Cap working with them instead of for them. For all his idealism, Cap seems pragmatic enough to know he can accomplish more with S.H.I.E.L.D. as his allies (and stay more up-to-date on threat intelligence) than on his own. He probably didn't think highly of Stalin's politics & policies either, but he would've recognized the necessity of having him and Russia as Allies against the bigger threats in WWII.

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...and that Stark had basically built them repulsor based propulsion systems for the 3 Insight helicarriers.
I was more surprised S.H.I.E.L.D. would have trusted Stark than the other way around, especially after that hacking stunt on the first Helicarrier. But I wouldn't rule out pre-Hydra-implosion S.H.I.E.L.D. and Stark both being arrogant enough to think they can out-plan and out-maneuver the other.

Excellent points. Especially the second.


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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

I found the Slate article lurking on a conversation one of my comrades was having on Facebook. She is a young woman with a mixed racial background from the outskirts of Boston. When I met her she was teaching ESL and living in Eastie (not far from where I used to live, years ago) but has since moved to NYC to be a professional communist revolutionary.

The Facebook conversation was among a variety of young men and women, most of them from cities, most of whom weren't white. They had a lot to say about the video, the culture of catcalling and street harrassment but I won't go into that.

The most interesting part of the conversation, I thought, was that most of them thought the "You won’t believe how many times this woman gets harassed in 10 hours" video was a pro-gentrification propaganda piece.

When I saw the video my first thought was "ugh. Way to make the entire male half of the species look like dickbags"

My second thought was: "Oh great now the message is: Great, cant bring our white women around the negroes and latinos because THIS happens."

To find out that they cut out most of the white guys who accosted her pretty much confirms that feeling/thought.


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JoelF847 wrote:
I'm sure season 2 of Agents of Shield will dovetail into Avengers 2. By then maybe it's back on the radar as a good guy organization and all of the avengers have pretty good ties with Agent Coulson, so they might be back in Shield by the time Cap 3 comes out.

Thing is I think that the Avengers were leery of SHIELD even at the end of the first AVENGERS movie. Especially after discovering that they were using the tesseract energy to replicate and stockpile Hydra energy based weapons (as seen in the first Captain America movie).

Which is why I was a little surprised to see that Cap was working for them at the beginning of the Winter Soldier and that Stark had basically built them repulsor based propulsion systems for the 3 Insight helicarriers. I do think that showing Steve's aggravation and distrust of Fury's methods at the beginning of Winter Soldier was neccesary to maintain some sort of continuity with Steve's distrust of Fury and by extension SHIELD. It's also important so that when Cap makes his pitch to completely dismantle SHIELD it's consistent with how he's been feeling since middle of the Avengers.

Agents of Shield should be concluding the second season in the middle of May. AGE OF ULTRON opens that first or second week of May in the US. I wouldnt be surprised if Agents of Shield ends on a cliffhanger leading into Age of Ultron or much like last year with Winter Soldier Age of Ultron happens between one or two episodes of AOS and prompts another huge shift in the tone of the show.

I'm also wondering when Tony, Steve, Thor and Natasha find out that Coulson is alive. With all of the things on the show centering around the blue alien and the alien writing I wouldnt be surprised if it leads into the Inhumans movie that's coming out in a few years.

Are there ALREADY Inhumans walking around the Marvel TV universe that we're just not aware of yet? Probably...


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Muad'Dib wrote:

Civil war has the bones of a good story.

It would expect it to be on a much smaller scale since so many of the players have yet to be introduced and you can't reasonably pack that many people in one movie.

I was hoping they would have some Netflix casting news about Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones.

From what I understand from what was said by Kevin Feige yesterday is that Civil War will be less about Secret Identities and registration than about to whom super powered people are held accountable by. or is it to?


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noretoc wrote:
should they be within their right to specifically shoot for a female dev, just so they can get one on the team regardless of any more qualified male applicants?

And that's part of the stickler for me. How do you define "more qualified"? If they're looking for someone who may not be as strong in one area of development but stronger in another that they feel is more needed, is she still less qualified as another male applicant?

I used to have a lot of discussions with a friend of mine who worked in HR and alot of the hiring ultimately comes down to who people feel more comfortable with. There are more than a few times where people get hired who know the minimum but get trained after they're on the job.
People hire those who will "fit" and that's mostly WHITE and MALE with WHITE and FEMALE being a close second, ESPECIALLY in management.

The illusion of fairness and meritocracy in this country in particular is a JOKE. So if Paizo wants to hire a female developer just to hire a female developer? Especially since they're gonna have to probably train ANY developer that they hire in how they specifically do things anyway?
They should go right on ahead and do just that.


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Electric Wizard wrote:
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I though the first one made sense, at least to some degree. If a second is made, please kill Naomi Rapace off soon. Sorry but I have never liked any of her work. But back to a possible sequel, please continue down the path of this wmd black stuff and show how it turns into the alien species or how we connect black stuff to the alien species.
I'm still weirded out by the fact naomi rapace's baby is a face hugger. Its offspring must infect one of the snakes with the acid blood assimilating it into the over all life cycle of converging species. Although the snake might be a face hugger.

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Nobody knows what that thing is. It is *not* a face-hugger.
I'd call it a tentacled stomach-pumper that eats meat.

And, if the Black Goo is a weapon being developed by the Engineers why
did make her pregnant to begin with?
Why did the Engineer at the beginning of the movie die from it then?

Bottom line, the cinematography was great, and the story line was crap.

Holloway, Shaws boyfriend, was altered by the goo that david spiked his drink with and it changed his sperm. When they had sex the altered sperm found one of her eggs and created the proto-face hugger.

The engineer drank a whole bunch of the goo and dissolved into DNA to seed the planet he was on. Holloway and Fifield only got a small amount of the goo and only partially dissolved becoming zombified.

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No. Nothing in the movie supports that -- furthermore, there is no need for "Aliens" at all.

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I dont know about the second part with the partial zombification but the first part is heavily implied during the end of the opening credits as the Engineer's body dissolves. The elaborate SF shot shows that the black substance literally BREAKS DOWN HIS DNA HELIX. Then after he falls into to water and the black goo destroys the rest of his body there's a shot of the goo moving around in the water then another close up as the black goo REFORMS A NEW DNA HELIX.

Then there's another close up shot of a single cell organism splitting into a mutli-cell organism right over the movie's title credits.

So yeah I think the idea that the engineer is seeding the planet with life is if not obviously stated is STRONGLY implied...

RIGHT OVER THE OPENING CREDITS OF THE FILM.


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Quote:

Maybe Banner realizing that his meditation/control is insufficient to stop the Hulk (especially when manipulated by outside forces) sets up his voluntary exile from Earth into a possible Planet Hulk scenario/movie?

With the success of the Guardians of the Galaxy movie? I could see a Planet Hulk movie working out REALLY well...


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Artanthos wrote:
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Artanthos wrote:
BPorter wrote:
Vibranium is what Cap's shield is made of.
Adamantium-Vibranium alloy.
I dont think so. I know, I know that's what what said in the Official handbook of the Marvel Universe back in the 80's. I remember that. But apparently it was a mistake made by the editors at the time. According to Marvel the Shield is actually made of Vibrainium.

The original entry: Link

Captain America's Shield wrote:
Captain America's only weapon is his shield, a concave disk 2.5 feet in diameter, weighing 12 pounds. It is made of a unique Vibranium-steel alloy that has never been duplicated. The Shield was cast by American metallurgist Dr. Myron MacLain, who was contracted by the U.S. government to create an impenetrable substance to use for tanks during World War II. During his experiments, MacLain combined Vibranium with a steel alloy he was working with and created the disc-shaped shield. MacLain was never able to duplicate the process due to his inability to identify a still unknown catalyst that played a role in the metal bonding (an experiment to recreate the process resulted in the creation of Adamantium). The shield was awarded to Captain America by the government several months after the beginning of his career. The shield has great aerodynamic properties: it is able to slice through the air with minimal wind resistance and deflection of path. Its great overall resilience, combined with its natural concentric stiffness, enables it to rebound from objects with minimal loss of angular momentum. It is virtually indestructible: it is resistant to penetration, temperature extremes, and the entire electromagnetic spectrum of radiation. The only way it can be damaged in any way is by tampering with its molecular bonding.

See I get that.

But it's still not a Adamantium-Vibranium alloy.

No one knows what the mixture was so it's classified as Vibranium-Steel.

And as it states Adamantium was created in the attempt to replicate the creation of Cap's shield.

and then there's this:

"Rogers' indestructible shield has often been referred to as being an adamantium-vibranium alloy. This is a result of an erroneous entry in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe entry on Captain America (though it was accurately described in the adamantium entry), which propagated into future stories. The error was corrected in Captain America 303 (March 1985), which established that the shield is made of vibranium and steel."

Right there in the notes section of the Marvel Wiki Page.


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Artanthos wrote:
BPorter wrote:
Vibranium is what Cap's shield is made of.
Adamantium-Vibranium alloy.

I dont think so. I know, I know that's what what said in the Official handbook of the Marvel Universe back in the 80's. I remember that. But apparently it was a mistake made by the editors at the time. According to Marvel the Shield is actually made of Vibrainium.


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Intolerant Gaming Nerds.


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Man I was there all 4 days and totally missed this!

Ugh. There's always next year.


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I subscribe to both the RPG line and the AP line so I get the hardcopies and the PDF's.

The PDF's get waaaaaaaay more use than the hardcopies.

I bring my ipad pretty much with me everywhere. My Pathfinder books are on my iPad so pretty easy access to everything I need.

When I'm running an adventure and I need quick access to certain monsters / adversaries? I print out the page from the respective Bestiary and if I need to make changes to it I can do so on the page without worrying about marking up the book.

Need to know what spells and special abilities do? Search copy and paste in to a text document.

Maps? Extract. Print. Markup.

The occasional Battle Map? Extract. PosterRazor. Print. Assemble.

PC's need to know that a monster/NPC looks like? Extract. Paste into Pixelmator or Photoshop. Add name. Print.

or

if on the ipad. SHOW the Players the picture right from the book.

And I dont have to carry around a crap load of books to do this. IF I prep before hand it speeds up play. My players have learned to prep and have enverythign that they need on hand BEFORE play starts. It's very seldom that we need to stop the game in it's tracks.

There were a few sessions that I didnt even bring the Core Rulebook with me to my game between the PDF's and the two PFSRD apps that I use? there's no need.

I like the hardcopies but the PDF's are actually more useful.


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Freehold DM wrote:
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jemstone wrote:

Oh man.

L-Gaim.

Now there was a SHOW.

Had a chance to get THIS when it first came out. Passed on it figuring that I'd be able to track one down later.

*FACEPALM*

when I build a time machine, I will travel back in time to this moment and rectify it for you.

Primarily by buying it myself.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.


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I think he means THIS.


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jemstone wrote:

Oh man.

L-Gaim.

Now there was a SHOW.

Had a chance to get THIS when it first came out. Passed on it figuring that I'd be able to track one down later.

*FACEPALM*


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Jeven wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:

People are apparently still buying the rules stuff so why wouldn't Paizo keep making the rules stuff?

Since not everyone buys everything there is to buy, it probably comes down to the decisions of those customers who make choices on a product by product basis.

How many Pathfinder rulebooks are there now? And how would a new customer rank them -- are the new releases as highly regarded (must-haves) as some of the older ones?
So something like the APG might remain a dependable seller while some of the newer ones might be borderline because they are much further down on people's things-I-might-buy-lists.

Maybe I should have been more specific? I was reffering to the purchase of new rule based books from the RPG line.

For Example: If sales from the ACG is doing gangbusters, what impetus does Paizo have to stop making new rule books since people are still buying them in droves?

As for rule books in existence? I believe that there are 15. But I'm going to exclude the 4 Bestiaries, the NPC codex, Ultimate Equipment and the Gamemastery Guide. To me these are very different books than the Advanced Series or the other Ultimate books.Still even if you included all 15 that's 15 books in 5 years? That's roughly 3 a year? Which in itself isnt bad considering the rate that WOTC were churning out the 3x hardcovers.


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thejeff wrote:

In fairness, there is also a perception that rules bloat is bad for the game in general and can lead to problems for the company. Whether that's true or not is debatable and largely irrelevant: People can be concerned about even if it's wrong and that's a different concern than "Stop making stuff I don't want"

That's a valid point and I get that but here's the thing: The moment people stop buying the rules stuff is the moment I'm pretty sure it would go away (or change i.e. a new edition).

People are apparently still buying the rules stuff so why wouldn't Paizo keep making the rules stuff?


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Orthos wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
But I'd never presume that since I dont like them they need to go. Seriously? WHO DOES THAT?
I believe it's so prevalent in TTRPG fandoms because the work staff in the companies that service that fandom tend to be so small, limited in time, and/or busy with projects. The mindset tends to be "If this thing I don't like doesn't exist, that frees up all the people who would otherwise be working on it to come over here instead and work on this thing I DO like".

Yeah I can definitely see that as being true in most cases. But in this case there is already a separate campaign setting line (EDIT: D'oh! you've already pointed this out in your post) and Paizo's staff isnt really considered small in the scope of RPG companies. In fact it might be bigger than D&D's right now.

So while normally I'd agree with that particular reasoning I dont think that's the case here.


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A few, yeah, but any action (or inaction) always loses a few. Pathfinder is already at the blended classes and randomly assembled optional rules phase, you have to wonder how much more mileage they can squeeze out of the system.

I think that it's very easy for people to say "We'll lose only a few but I'll get what I want so who cares" when theyre not the ones who will have to let employees go should that gambit fail.

I think Lisa and Vic know what they're doing. I think there's a solid reason for the product schedule to be what it is and the way it is. What I'll quite frankly NEVER understand, especially from gamers, is the fact that if you don't like something you don't have to buy it or support it. Instead you'd rather remove it from play in order to deprive those who DO like that content and then shrug and say "meh" who needed them anyway.

Look at those tags under my messageboard alias. I subscribe to those two lines. Those are the ones that I care about. I've been a subscriber since the beginning so that's 5 years or so now. The other lines I dont really care about so I dont subscribe or purchase from them. But I'd never presume that since I dont like them they need to go. Seriously? WHO DOES THAT?


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.By way of anecdotal support for this idea, this article doesn't really track popularity over time, but it does make the point that TTRPGs are "increasingly becoming a mainstream activity" and says that Stephen Colbert was a big D&D player, and once even issued an on-air shout-out to “any half-elf thieves who are joining us tonight.” Again, purely anecdotal, but that would never have happened in the 80's or 90's.

I'd argue that if media was as prevalent and expansive as it was today back then you WOULD see someone giving a shout out to D&D on screen.

In fact didnt TSR balk at allowing Spielberg to use actual D&D stuff on screen in E.T.? Which is why the game the Mike and his friends are playing at the kitchen table early on in the film is very D&D like without anyone ever calling it out specifically as D&D?

Also D&D had a Saturday morning cartoon. It had ads in both Marvel and DC comics. Even if you were NOT an RPG geek you at least had some exposure to it. Now? Not so much. The TTRPG Community is very insular.
I was a black kid from Bushwick Brookyln in the 80's and even I knew what D&D was because the ads in my favorite comicbooks.


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Haladir wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Haladir wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
Wasn't always this niche though. Used to be much less niche.

Um, no.

I've been a gamer since the early 1980s. TTRPGs are more popular now than they've ever been. They also have a much more positive view in the zeitgeist. It's probably spillover from the popularity of RPG video games, which is a much larger market.

That's pretty much the opposite of my experience. When I mention RPG's the response I'm more likely to get is closer to "Oh I like final Fantasy / Fallout / Skyrim" When I correct and say TTRPG's I usually get "Oh you mean like D&D? People still play that?"

Here's the thing: Most people today know that an "RPG" is some kind of game. Back in the '80s or '90s, you'd just get a blank stare.

Unless you were talking to someone who was ex-military, who would think "rocket-propelled grenade" and be even more confused!

Today, you have a mix of younger people who know video games, and old-timers who have been playing TTRPGs for decades.

I mean, look at the attendance of GenCon. The ony time I've gone was for GenCon 20 in 1987. The attendance was about 5,000. GenGon Indy 2014 had more than ten times that.

GENCON is a poor example though. It's not just TTRPG's. I'd argue that it's geek culture in general as there's just as many Boardgamers and Wargamers there as TTRPG's. Even if that number was still all TTRPG's it's STILL a niche hobby with those numbers. Barely worth a notice outside of the hobby.


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Giant robot music is also a staple of my ear's diet. Dangaio's opening theme and overall theme music is perfect. PERFECT.

Hajatasei Dangaio! Holy Crap that's a blast from the past.

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I love true Gundam. But I have to say aside from the opening to Zeta Gundam, the music is lacking.

Which opening? I like both of them but the second is my favorite of the two. Man, that was my golden age of mecha anime right there. Between Zeta Gundam, Heavy Metal L-Gaim and Aura Battler Dunbine? Good times, GOOD TIMES.


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Arnwyn wrote:

I'm going to be sticking with themes, because music overall is just too much. (I'll arbitrarily choose 10, but I can't possibly number them...!)

- Inner Universe (GITS:SAC)
- Seventh Moon (Macross 7)
- Tank! (Cowboy Bebop)
- Yakusoku Wa Iranai (Escaflowne)
- Kiri (Ergo Proxy)
- Sea of Miracles (Lodoss)
- I'm a Pioneer (Tenchi Muyo)
- Cruel Angel's Thesis (Evangelion)
- Full of Memories (Ranma)
- Mad Machine (BGC)

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*Lynn Kaifun* that claims FIRE BOMBER!! is a rip off of their original music. If you know who that is, I'll give you a million internets.

You mean Minmay's cousin/erstwhile manager? Where's the hard question (unless I missed it)? ;) (Reading the liner notes in the various CDs are great fun, especially the Galaxy Network Charts.)

That's some good stuff there. Although if I'm being honest I still love Mad Machine to this very day and Bubble Gum Crisis had some pretty damn good music.

I have Angry Priss on my iPhone as part of my "need to get ready for action" music playlist. That along with Strong and Strike from Naruto and Blood War from Bastard! are some of my favorites.

I also cant NOT mention Giant Robo: The Day The Earth Stood Still Soundtrack in particular The main Title and Rush! Issei & Yohshi.


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Haladir wrote:
GreyWolfLord wrote:
Wasn't always this niche though. Used to be much less niche.

Um, no.

I've been a gamer since the early 1980s. TTRPGs are more popular now than they've ever been. They also have a much more positive view in the zeitgeist. It's probably spillover from the popularity of RPG video games, which is a much larger market.

That's pretty much the opposite of my experience. When I mention RPG's the response I'm more likely to get is closer to "Oh I like final Fantasy / Fallout / Skyrim" When I correct and say TTRPG's I usually get "Oh you mean like D&D? People still play that?"


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Billy the Goat has filed harrassment charges against GoatToucher.


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Cosplaying? I heard he had a sword, but I don't know anything about Cosplaying. What was he wearing?

Apparently he was dressed as Mugen from SAMURAI CHAMPLOO.


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bugleyman wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Wow. I still have my copy of the BBB! My binding is fine and I used the HELL out of it. To be fair though this is my third one as I gave my older copies away to friends when they got hooked on the game.
It really seems that game books are very hit and miss. The binding 1E UE is generally considered to be terrible, but I never had a problem with mine.

EXACTLY! Up until about 6 years ago I still had my original copy of UA from (85-86?) and it was beat to hell from use but the spine was still intact. Granted a few of people I knew who got theirs around the same time and later had theirs fall apart.


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bugleyman wrote:
Edit: I did have my copy of Champions 4E (the Big Blue Book) rebound when the binding gave out...I've been paranoid about the binding of large hardbacks ever since.

Wow. I still have my copy of the BBB! My binding is fine and I used the HELL out of it. To be fair though this is my third one as I gave my older copies away to friends when they got hooked on the game.


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The other thing that I dont understand is this: I've been playing and running RPG's for almost 30 years now and when I'm introducing newer players to a game I NEVER unleash the full chargen rules on them. EVER. I dont care how simple the game proclaims to be. The goal is to get them to the PLAY point. To learn the game in PLAY. In play is pretty much where you can teach the core concepts about the game because, I find, that you have a much better context for most everything in play.

If your players are a little more experienced and it takes them 2 hours to make a character is it due to them not understanding how a character is made? Or is it them pouring over the options? Because if it's them pouring over the options then that's going to be par for the course for ANYTHING with a metric buttload of options. And criticizing the game for having so many options available usually means that you should be either limiting options at the outset yourself as GM or perhaps playing a game with fewer options.

Citing the game for player indecision (which is not a BAD thing)is also not really fair either. If a player decides that they want to start making one type of PC and then midway through it decides that they might be better off with another type thats not the game's fault. If a player even takes more time than usual (what is usual anyway?) even deciding where his/her stats are going to go is that the game's fault too? There's alot that goes into character generation but it doesnt have to be this obessive thing where it takes 2 hours to build a PC. If you know exactly what you want and are not trying to build the perfect PC a reasonable person can do it in less.

and as a GM I do leave leeway for my players especially at the beginning of a campaign to make changes to their PC's later on in the game. That's part of open communication between the GM and the players.

I recently had to build a character (a Paladin) for my first game in YEARS. I havent played a paladin in YEARS. Not since 2nd Edition actually. But I had a rough idea of what I wanted and it was a 1st level character and it took me around 30 min to build him. I'm not saying that makes me special but I didnt agonize over every option (and I have all of the books and HERO LAB). I just built the character. If I was going to agonize over every option that goes to a certain mindset then yes it would have taken me longer. But again goes back to the point of the amount of options and whether "I" as a person and player feel compelled to have to use them or not.


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Simon Legrande wrote:
Nathanael Love wrote:

Simon-- what other games have you played besides PF and 5th edition?

I think that if you have never played other, much more time consuming character creation style games your perception may be warped.

I have played:

D&D 1e
AD&D
AD&D 2e
D&D 3.0
D&D 3.5
GURPS
Mage: The Ascension
World of Darkness
Shadowrun
Call of Cthulhu
Anima
Dungeon World
Rolemaster

Nathanael Love wrote:
Even with ever book published now, PF is still one of the SIMPLEST games for character creation compared to many.
Great, so that means I should be so happy that Pathfinder only has thousands of available options that I shouldn't want to play something with a lighter rule set?

My question and I'm not sure if it's been already answered or not so forgive me, is this: If the complicated ruleset is not what you want to play? Why arent you using something LESS complicated to intro new players?


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Sissyl wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:


Treating everyone the same regardless of their social status is just as heinous as giving the same medical treatment to everyone regardless of their state of health.

This is about the best argument against having this kind of discussion at all. Seriously, if treating people the same is STILL racism, it is quite simply not something that can be avoided.
Have you considered treating people the way THEY want to be treated, instead of the way YOU feel they should be treated?
I want you to give me cupcakes. Why am I not getting cupcakes? Do you have something against me?

Yes I TOTALLY have something against you.

Here's a cupcake anyway. Enjoy.


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Simon Legrande wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
This is a very, very sad way of discussing. Starting by saying "you gotta acknowledge collective white privilege to be accepted in this discussion", claiming this is important despite a complete absence of things we as individuals can do to correct it,

We have a very interesting public policy tool in my society. It's called an "election."

You see, unlike where you live, in my country, laws are mutable and can be changed. Periodically, there's a mass gathering where people who are interested in what the structure of the laws are get together and decide (individually) whom we wish to make laws on our behalf. If we're serious about it, we are even given the opportunity to affect whom the candidates are going to be, for example, by attending caucuses or primaries or campaigning for specific people whose probity and judgment we trust.

If enough people, for example, decided to promote effective and enforceable public policies to reduce or eliminate privilege, it would be fairly simple to do so.

I recommend it.

Of course, if you aren't given the opportunity to participate in this process, then that does put a damper on things. For example, there are a number of people -- some of them on this thread, I suspect -- who find the idea of reducing their personal privilege to be sufficiently threatening that they're willing to support fairly draconic measures to eliminate the votes of the people who might otherwise threaten their privilege. And a number of others who don't care enough about these measures to fight them.

As a lifelong citizen of the US, I find your belief that elections change anything but which rich people are in charge as truly laughable. Government action is also one of the greatest forces keeping racism alive.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand Simon and I finally agree about something.


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NobodysHome wrote:
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NobodysHome wrote:
The best I can do is treat you exactly the same as I would treat anyone else. If you demand more, I refuse. Does it make me a racist to refuse to treat someone differently because of their race or gender or whatnot?

Yes.

Treating everyone the same regardless of their social status is just as heinous as giving the same medical treatment to everyone regardless of their state of health.

I have to agree with Sissyl. This is just a discussion-ender right here.

I am required to learn the needs of every culture on Earth or I'm a racist.

I guess I'm a racist.

What are we talking about here? I'm an AMERICAN I was born here. I've lived pretty much my entire LIFE here. I'm also a black man. Who is often treated like a criminal or a second class citizen simply because of the color of my skin.

What culture do I need to learn so that I get to be treated like the white people who dont get treated like this? Please tell me?

I speak proper English in polite company (though I code switch with the best of them). I don't dress with my pants down around my legs or in the latest "hood gear" (although if how one dresses should relegate them to second class status I think furries and anyone who wears kilts should be higher up on that list).

I've worked legitimate jobs pretty consistently since I was 14 years old. I have a college degree from an accredited CUNY school here in NY. My wife and I pay our taxes on time! We had our only son, (That's right JUST ONE!) in wedlock! We live within our means. We donate to charity every year. We are avid consumers so we do our part to keep the economy going!

SO PLEASE, tell me what I have to do to stop store security from following me around in stores assuming that I'm there to steal or rob the place. Please tell me what I have to do to not have to worry about the police gunning me down in the street like an animal for "resembling" another suspect. Please tell me what else I have to stop the fact that employers are more likely to hire a white guy with a criminal record than a black man WITHOUT ONE.

Please tell me what I have to do that if I get the misfortune to show up before a judge to get either my case thrown out or get a lesser charge or sentence like my white counterparts often do.

What part of American Culture am I not doing right?


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Sissyl wrote:

This is a very, very sad way of discussing. Starting by saying "you gotta acknowledge collective white privilege to be accepted in this discussion", claiming this is important despite a complete absence of things we as individuals can do to correct it, showing deplorable police policies as examples of this untouchable collectivist power structure (seriously, tear up the police departments enough and you will solve that particular piece of s~*$), all of it channeling into "white privilege is the central problem here, but we're not blaming you white guys, just know that the only reason your lives aren't living hell is because of white privilege and don't forget evil white men kept slave m'kay?" It is a collectivistic circle jerk. The way to solve this is to give up the crap about collective identities, ensure Rule of Law is reinstated (this would efficiently kill off all the driving while black offenses, btw), and yes, let us treat each other with empathy. Don't forget, what you're saying above is very close to saying people don't have empathy.

Blah.

It is also worth mentioning that the much vaunted "level playing field", at least in the area of university applications and affirmative action led directly to asian-americans getting an even worse deal than whites did. Should then the asian-americans be given restitution for this?

Kill all the blacks and I'm sure that will fix everything!

See how out of left field that was? That's exactly how I view your hyperbolic response to an otherwise civil conversation that's going on here.


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- My personal beliefs center around 'homogenization'. If you want to be an accepted part of the culture, you must accept the culture.
-- If I were to move to China, I would expect to learn Chinese, dress as my Chinese compatriots did, eat their foods, and otherwise accept the 'majority culture'. I would NOT try to create my own enclave of people who spoke my language, ate my foods, and otherwise refused to accept that they were living in a different culture. It's easier and more comfortable to separate yourselves, but it opens you up to discrimination.
-- I see a great deal of 'racism' arising because of an absolute resistance to this idea. "I am from another culture. I want to live with you, but I reject your ideas of a 'cultural norm'." Call me a racist, but I reject the idea that adhering to the standards of the place you are living as 'racist' or 'culturalist'.

Define American Culture please?


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bugleyman wrote:
Simon Legrande wrote:
That chip up there is called collectivism. I keep it there as a reminder that even though I wish to be treated as an individual and strive to treat others the same, that will usually be considered bad because many other people would rather identify themselves by the group they belong to. Every now and then someone comes along and tries to load some guilt up there too. Because for some reason I should be held accountable for the actions of people I've never met just because we have the same skin color. Well there's no room for the guilt so don't expect me to feel any.

Nor should you.

But refusing to acknowledge racism doesn't eliminate it, just as the act of acknowledging racism is not itself racist.

I'm not sure that I ever said racism doesn't exist. I'm quite aware of its existence partly in thanks to the term "white privilege". I'm acknowledging that racism exists on all sides and that anyone who says only whites can be racist is flat out wrong. The way I see it, the only way to eliminate racism is for ALL people to stop practicing it.

That sounds great but so far your only point in this entire thread is to talk about how racism somehow overwhelmingly effects whites.

While I'm sure racism DOES effect whites you come across like the man in a thread discussing sexism and sexual assualt that cries out "but men are victims of rape too!!"

Men ARE victims of rape. Absolutely. But the OVERWHELMING victims of rape and sexual assault are women. And the guy no matter how well meaning who cries out that "men are raped too!!" comes across as trying to deflect from the actual problem. Some people would call that a sense of entitlement from being male. Some would call it a form of silencing. You know "well the people complaining of racism are racists too so they should just shut up." or "if everyone just stopped being racist/talking about racism/acknowledging race" etc...
Me I just call it poor form old chap...


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bugleyman wrote:
Simon Legrande wrote:
That chip up there is called collectivism. I keep it there as a reminder that even though I wish to be treated as an individual and strive to treat others the same, that will usually be considered bad because many other people would rather identify themselves by the group they belong to. Every now and then someone comes along and tries to load some guilt up there too. Because for some reason I should be held accountable for the actions of people I've never met just because we have the same skin color. Well there's no room for the guilt so don't expect me to feel any.

Nor should you.

But refusing to acknowledge racism doesn't eliminate it, just as the act of acknowledging racism is not itself racist.

I'm getting a clinc in proper civil discourse and patience from you here Bugleyman.

In all seriousness though, what you said here is something I think more people need to understand. That and acknowledging white privilege isnt going to make someone burst into flames with guilt and shame. That's not the intent.

It's no different that acknowledging that women in general have to concern themselves with their physical safety in a way that men simply do not. Is it wrong for me to acknowledge that? Does it make me and awful person? No, it quite simply something that IS. And something that I do take into consideration when I'm around women who don't know me well or at all. My physical presence CAN be perceived as a possible threat. That's simply reality.


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Simon Legrande wrote:
Because for some reason I should be held accountable for the actions of people I've never met just because we have the same skin color.

I CANT EVEN...I'm laughing so hard at the irony here that I'm on the verge of CRYING.

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