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Scarab Sages

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I know this is not helping either but also there is an Rappan Athuk expansion book out there that has some low level sites in it. That book is about $35.00.

Also, there is a lot of wilderness material in RA. The whole area around the main dungeon has stuff going on.

It also has a bunch of rumors that you can seed around.

I think Tsar has a bunch of rumors too. '

I know a lot of folks like to add things and do a bunch of prep but I am running things mostly as they are written. The only additions for me are places that the group has cleaned out and then left for weeks or months at a time. I have been restocking them.

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Greg, Mach and Heart,

I sent him a similar message when I realized I had downloaded my S&W version into my Pathfinder folder. I also saw Tsar was not in my downloads or RA, and others. I sent Chris an message about it. I am sure he is aware of the issue no, but more folks mentioning it the better.

Now, I am going to do another back up of all my FFG stuff.

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That is awesome...

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And Steve, it has been a few years since we bought them.

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I imagine suffocation would take place in your CON score x2 rounds, as drowning does.

My group never even tried.

They just took off.

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I think there are a lot of problems with the Vigilante, but overall I like the idea. My last rogue (I love rogues, slayers, and others of the stealthy kind), took levels in sorcerer because it allowed the use of wands without the UMD check (at least some wands), and spells to assist his roguishness. I liked this addition to the class. I planned only to take a couple of levels but then ended up taking more for other spells, again to assist with my roguishness, not combat spells or even utility spells but spells like detect secret doors, reduce person, and invisibility.

I agree with a lot that was said about the social identity. I like the idea but making it mandatory for the class is a problem. It seems like it could work with an adventurer who took his social identity in town but where was that identity while he was out adventuring with the party. Or would it work better with the whole party had social identities. It is an idea but I think it is a hard one to put together.

I like the idea of combining class ideas as it was done in the Class Guide, and I like the idea of doing it as it was done in the play test but agree with a lot of people, that the classes should be close in power to classes from the advanced class guide.

I think this is a much better option than multitasking as I did with the rogue. Multiclassing dilutes the character too much, and these classes should be a good solution to that issue.

Having the vigilante does bring the idea to me that maybe a whole party based on stealthy characters is possible. Stealth is so often ruined by the armored characters following the stealthy one, or the stealthy one must move so far out in front of the party to scout that he dies before his help can arrive.

So, a vigilante, a slayer, a inquisitor, and another version of vigilante might be a way to put together a viable party build on stealth.

Like it over all but it sill needs some tweaks.

I will add, that I have read and played many of the playtests but this is the first time I have commented on any of them. I am very interested in the vigilante coming into it's own.

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Ah, maybe I did not realize because my group decided not to even mess with it after it swallowed the swashbuckler.

They were only in the room for about five minutes.

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I did think you could destroy that statue. My group lost someone to it also.

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Ah, the Dam-Thing. My group ran from it and never returned but still tell stories of it...

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Lastgrasp.

Greg said: YOu should be receiving your links from Chris to download the pdfs. If you haven't received them, contact him at https://froggodgames.com/contact-us

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Thanks Greg.

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Got the Fields of Blood but still have not gotten CD II.

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Anyone know when we will get our PDFs? As Kickstarter backers...

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My group has been doing the ToA and they were in Bard's Gate recovering, shopping, drinking, etc. One of the players (with the Paladin) left for the night and the rest wanted to find something to do without going back to the Tomb. I introduced the priest connected with Kayden. They went to the graveyard, and then a day or two later went with him to Kayden's place and talked to him. No Paladin... They are working on the Tomb again but they have it in their minds to go to the tower now.

A good time...

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Michael, that is a great idea.

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Oh, got it and strange.

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As I read the Cults of the Sundered Kingdoms, I realize immediately that even though I appreciate greatly the work done here - later I am going to totally want the gazateer part of the work in a compilation down the road when the material is available.

Just something to think about and hopefully plan for.

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Liz Courts wrote:
Because this is the d20 version of Barakus—the Pathfinder version is here.

Liz, I have the same question. I am looking at my original copy of the Lost City ob Barakus D20, and it was published by Necromancer Games and has no mention of Troll Lord Games on it at all.

Unless Troll Lords Games is selling old copies of it I am confused.

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I have the player's guide and the Sundered Kingdoms main PDF. I have just started reading it. Happy Camper....

Can't wait to get CD II and the new environment book.

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More likely than a new edition will be things like Pathfinder Unchained with a new magic system to replace Vancian casting. They are pushing that direction and people can pick and choose what they want to change in their game.

I am looking at Unchained for things I might want to change. And I am also delving into the other books to include things I have not used before. My game is going to change over the next few months.

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silverhair2008 wrote:

Pexx, send me your email as a pm and I will send you a converted map of the Mouth of Doom. I do not recall where I got it but it has all hidden doors removed and all traps are removed.

I too am using the slow track and that is proving fast. Take my suggestion and don't increase the number or types of monsters they will run into. I have used the Black Skeletons a couple of times and have misused them and also nearly TPK'd the party. We began our game on January 2nd and am playing every other week and they just landed on 3rd level.

I have been using Obsidian Portal to keep journals of the sessions. The link is here.

I agree the slow track is too fast.

Last session they overcame a CR 21 creature and that was too much. Maybe I should use the slow track but cut the xp in half or even a third. That might do it.

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At 150 miles ToA would be about almost a week away.

That is a lot of trouble to get into on the way home.

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I have thought about that too. In the second chapter of Serpent Skull it was a 1000 mile trek into the jungle to find a lost city. It took two months game time to get there. I think it took us three or four long game sessions for the group to arrive.

The this reason I have considered (but not decided yet) to make the hexes 10 miles rather than 50 miles.

Currently my group is in the Tomb of Abysthor and by the scale on the map it is 130 to 150 miles from Bard's Gate. At 10 miles a hex it is more like 30 miles. They can make that trip in a hard days travel.

I am still struggling with the ideas around scale.

Although the idea of the scale is that this place is huge, and it is very true. It is huge.

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LMPjr007 wrote:
Shem wrote:
I might buy it after the fact, depends on a lot. After the Fire Mountain Games fiasco I am not as hot on the idea of supporting 3PP who I have not supported on Kickstarter before.

I supported this kickstarter because I really like Way of the Wicked, I would likely have bought the new one after it was published anyway. I will not support another kickstarter by that company and I likely buy their work after the it is completed in the future.

Shem wrote:
I am not as interesting in supporting a kickstarter for companies I do not have as much Kickstarter history with.
To me the way to mitigate that issue might be support it at a lower finical level. What do you feel about that?

It is not about the money, and I support kickstarters at the level of the reward I want. It is about the frustration of a bad kickstarter. The companies I named before, I will likely do most or all of their kickstarters.

This is a strange thread. You asked for people's opinions on the idea of a 3PP Kickstarter, and when they give you their opinion you seem to argue about their stance. I thought you were just looking for information not trying to change their ideas about 3PP kickstarters.

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I might buy it after the fact, depends on a lot. After the Fire Mountain Games fiasco I am not as hot on the idea of supporting 3PP who I have not supported on Kickstarter before.

One thing I like of Frog God Games is that most of the writing is usually done when they do a Kickstarter. They do it to cover the cost of developing and printing the book, and not to handle the whole project.

I have been happy with what I have supported with Legendary Games and will likely support their current Kickstarter. And of course I have supported all the Kobold Games Kickstarters.

I have also supported AAW and am happy with what I have gotten from them.

I am not as interesting in supporting a kickstarter for companies I do not have as much Kickstarter history with.

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Silver Hair,

I really enjoyed that transition into the Fountain of Pesitlence. It was probably a year ago and they still talk about those zombies.

My group has left the area of RA and is in TofA, but they talk about coming back. I have decided if they return to the MoD that I will restock it with gnolls, ogres and goblins (as the Gut has many of those), and maybe set up a new Inn with the their favorite Inn Keeper from the Gut.

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I would say that Orcus is basically a god in the Lost Lands and not intended to be killed. And even if you defeated him I am sure you would only send him back to his home plane, but there are plenty of temples of Orcus in the lost lands. As Greg Vaughn said recently - Orcus is everywhere. I believe did defeat him then he would either ignore you, or hold a grudge. I think I do not want a Orcus to have a grudge with me...

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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
Shem wrote:
Holy Crap, that is a serious article. I will have to read it when I have time. I thought I would look it over but.... Not right now.
Hope you like it! I should be posting an article on the months and major holidays soon.
Blog post on the Calendar of the Lost Lands.

Another serious article. I decided to print them both and put them in a book. Until I have the real thing.

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Bump to keep this thread in a place I can find it. I re-read it again yesterday, and I want to be able to refer to it.

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I was part of the Razor Coast thing too, one of the differences here is that Gary has already put out an adventure path. Part of the trouble Nick ran into was he had not done the publishing side, Gary has.

I think we will eventually see this, and hate mail never helps anything.

I hold out hope.

One of my first kickstarters was some small monster manual from some obscure company. I was new and interested in what the guy had to say. The estimated deliver was over two years ago, and the guy seems to be moving forward but. I really don't care anymore. For me so much good stuff has come out since then. It was a poor choice on my part but I am good. I do not send the guy hate mail, or go after him. I have quietly gotten to a place of not caring whether I see it or not.

If the amount you put into a kickstarter is too much for you to afford if it fails, then you should wait for the book to come out and buy it then.

There will always be disappointments.

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It is okay Brother Silverhair. I am still open to your conversation if it is already done. And also excited for the official conversation next year.

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It says he is stabilized so I assume all day. Of course he is likely to get healing soon after that.

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Thank Greg. I knew it was coming up but did not remember that it was that soon. I really look forward to it. I should delve more into the 3.5 book for my current campaign being that is where the group is hanging out these days.

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I am very interested in the Bards Gate NPCs being converted.

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I can't wait for more RA. But then it will likely take years for my group to get back to RA at the rate they are going. But they will likely finish TofA in the nest few sessions.

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Yes, there is a lot coming out in the next couple of years.

What I love about the Frogs is that they do a kickstarter to print a book but all or most of the work is done before the kickstarter.

The current one originally said it would be out in July and even if it turns out to be August or September that is so much better than so many other companies, who sometimes have not even written anything or much when they do the kickstarter.

I could name some folks here but will forego that...

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I know we will get more maps as we go along...

A few weeks ago I saw Bill's hand drawn map under glass. It was impressive. I think as it has developed as products the map has changed some and I think over the next few years we will get the whole map.

It will not be a quick process.

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Steve, I said this in the other thread where you asked me about this.

The Frogs on the boards have said they are not going to do subscriptions again, but they did say someplace that there would be more RA material but they have not talked about those plans yet that I have seen. I try to read all the Frog threads.

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It is the end of the subscription that we paid for way back when....

And the Frogs have said many times that they will not do another subscription model.

But they have also said that RA will continue to be expanded but have not talked more about those plans.

And of course they are working on a lot of new stuff.

I look forward to it all.

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Cyclopean Deeps 2 is part of the original 24 month subscription. It came up when I was talking to Bill a few weeks ago.

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Ah, the GUT. I love the GUT. Our group never when all the way through but they had three PCs out of five die there. The two remaining characters did their best to sneak back to the Mouth of Doom.

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Rappan Athuk is almost 1000 miles away if you go by the scale on the map. Nothing is close.

I sat down with Bill and talked about this a few weeks ago. The second chapter of Serpent Skull is about a 1000 mile trek and it took several game sessions, like 4 to 6 (and we play a long time during a session), I suppose you can rush it along but there is always going to be something to slow progress and the group will want to check certain things out.

On the other hand I think that the idea of getting anywhere is a huge undertaking might bring in a mind set that I want. I am not sure yet but I am working on it.

Eventually the group will want to return to RA. I guess the trip should be epic.

SOA actually drags you all over the map if you are working on the actual quest. A short trip in the lost lands is at least 100 miles.

It is also almost 1000 miles to the Desolation from Bards Gate.

It is going to be a very long campaign...

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I put the map on the wall, actually both maps together, and just having it there they look at things like the Dragon Hills and wonder what is going on their. Greed can be a strong motivator.

If they decided to go find out what that, or anything else on the map is about I would let them go with no comment.

They will get themselves in plenty of trouble just having that map stare at them every time we play.

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My group has played several session in RA, and then got teleported near Bards Gate. They asked around town and found an issue they thought my be interesting to explore and started an adventure from Stoneheart Valley. They have been back to town twice since then and have been exploring a tomb between visits.

They are currently between 5th and 7th levels.

At this stage going into either Sword of Air or the Desolation will be an easy transition.

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I think one of the main ideas in the Lost Lands work is that sometimes they PCs run into things that they cannot handle.

I have a group in Bards Gate right now, they were resting from adventuring but had not completed the previous adventure. They wanted to sniff around for rumors and other opportunities.

I brought in the guy who asked them to help with the problem at the grave yard. They scared off the people in the graveyard that night and got an offer to meet Kaden. They were guided into the swamp to meet him and then went back to Bards Gate.

They then went off to finish the previous adventure with thoughts and talks about Kaden and his mission to the coast.

They also have a person who built a character that is very interested in the Desolation.

I have stopped worrying about CRs. I did say they probably wanted to be 7th level before going to the Desolation.

In these adventures 7th level characters are faced with rats and stirges, and then faced with CR11 horrors they probably should run from. It is more like it would be in the real world.

I think modern gamers have been programmed to expect only things they can handle (usually) in the order that they can handle them. They do not get skeletons at 10th level or CR 16 encounters. They get what they expect.

In the old days, and Bill is a very old days kind of gamer, it is more about exploration than it is about following a story. What I like about the whole thing is that my group can drop what they are doing and they can go on to the Desolation, or follow Kaden's quest or back to Rappan Ahtuk.

That whole book is not intended to be an adventure you run them straight through. It is almost a campaign setting with encounters. The main story thread may never be completed. They can go where they want based on some rumor, or get on the path of the Sword of Air story line.

I look forward to the Sundered Kingdoms. I will be running my in the Lost Lands for years to come, and may not run another adventure path for many years (although I will play them and collect them).

I am sure we will explore Tsar, the rest of Rappan Ahtuk, Endhome, everything in the Sword of Air.

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Alas, not only do I not have a hair dryer but I have no hair... :)

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Yes it is from the packaging. It is not a big deal...

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The gargantuans are a big reason I am a case subscriber.

When this whole thing started there were no gargantuan humanoids available. Now we have Rune Giants and a demon, and more dragons.

I agree about colossal figures. Another thing that is missing besides a bunch of different colossal dragons is a humanoid colossal. That would be awesome. And of course a couple of random monsters in that weight class.

I also think we need a gargantuan spider or some such. Just a thought. The expansion of gargantuans is awesome and growing, and still limited.

And I am excited for what we have so far.

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I have two of the dragons sitting on my desk now with rubber bands around their left wings to pull them up a bit. In the packaging that wing is pushed down against the dragon's body and look weird that way.

I received them yesterday and I think I almost have them the way I want them. It was not a big deal to move them.

They look good. Obviously Pathfinder dragons. They fill up the base as compared with some of the other gargantuan dragons we have gotten.

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Players Guide is in the bag. Life is good...

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