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Andoran

on topic

Andoran

I'd probably go:

Str 16
Dex 15
Con 14
Int 13
Wis 12
Cha 8

It may not seem that impressive, but when you thinkabout the fact that most people top out at 13 before racial, then you see he's pretty tough. I might even trade my feat in for another bonus somewhere. (Racial is already in str, con maybe?)

Andoran

Can I make a suggestion for a rule in future editions of the rule book?

"If you cannot ask a rules question with a straight face, or if the DM laughs so hard on hearing it s/he can't breathe, the answer is no." I can't help but feel that would take care of so many rules threads that pop up just because the writers assume that everyone is smart enough not to try and twf with a bow.

Andoran

Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
meatrace wrote:
A very good Cracked article about Fergusen, fully sourced and attributed, with reams of video evidence.
Holy hell...

What he said.

Andoran

Durngrun Stonebreaker wrote:
Officer resigns, Lieutenant fired

Good to know. Interesting that in normal circumstances death threats are only enough to rate suspended without pay. And that even though (former) Officer Jiminez was enough out of line to get fired, they keep trying to make the officer the victim and the crowd the bad guy and pushing the us vs. them mentality. Do they ever think statements like that are the reason this crap is happening?

I also love the whole "they're waiting for something stupid to happen" rather than "they're trying to protect themselves and their rights" or even "they're waiting for something illegal to happen".

Andoran

You are correct, it is 3rd level, sadly. My apologies.

Andoran

Angry Wiggles wrote:
If it is arcane, than this becomes the only race indifferent way to use early entry to qualify for the arcane SLA. Following the banning of Aasimar and Tiefling in PFS, this would be the only way for PFS theurges to use arcane early entry.

I do believe this is incorrect. Seems that at least one of the wizard schools grants a spell like ability that works.

Andoran

I was just wondering if anyone else plays War of Omens, the deck building game online. If you do, who do you play? Feel free to share your play experiences.

I mainly play the E people (whose name I can't remember the spelling of). Love me some magic. But I also only play against the AI.

Andoran

Both half-celestial and half-fiend though technically those are inherited templates, so it'd take an appeal to a pretty high power (*cough* DM *cough*) to get those. Then of course monks turn into outsiders (without a template) at level 20, but that doesn't really help you.

Andoran

A lot of it would depend on the story, becoming a full fledged outsider would work and sounds like it would be more in keeping with your character than becoming undead. (Although, they are not called out as being immortal / ageless in their creature type, the idea of an old Solar with a cane and grey hair telling about "back in his day" seems too comedic to exist.)

Andoran

I haven't been following the events (or this thread) super closely, but I saw this and needed to remark on it:

So, police threatened to kill a member of the media (on camera), while pointing a gun at them.

The police version of the event: "The media person refused to cooperate, and in an attempt to keep the public safe, my officer used profanity with the public and told the media person that he was going to kill him if he didn't move."

Anyone care to guess what would happen to someone who was pointing an automatic rifle at a police officer and said "I'll ****ing kill you"? I doubt it would be "counseled on his choice of words." Also, how do death threats and pointing an automatic firearm at someone in the middle of the crowd work to keep the public safe?

Story here.

Video of death threat here.

You know where this crap isn't happening? States with legalized marijuanna. Just saying. . .

Andoran

Sorry to hear that.

Andoran

And once again, everything is Israel's fault and Hamas can do no wrong. My bad. Much better to spend your efforts making tunnels that will get your people killed than to spend those same efforts saving your peoples lives because, obviously, if you can't make everything perfect for anyone you shouldn't try and make anything better for anyone.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Since they're being killed at about 500 times the rate, thousands of palastinians are also flee.. oh wait they can't!

Bet they wish they'd use those building materials building bunkers rather than tunnels.

Andoran

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Tens of thousands of Israelis have fled their homes in communities along the border with the Gaza Strip...

Story here.

Andoran

First, I have to ask why is this in the rules question forum?

Bigdaddyjug wrote:
Under a Bleeding Sun, the bane weapon property doesn't work like that. When you add the bane enchantment you have to pick,one type and subtype for the bane to work against.

Let us say you pick the elf subtype for bane, which is also your biggest favored enemy. You run across a non-favored enemy and cast instant enemy and suddenly they count as an elf for you, including your bane weapon. Totally legit.

Andoran

For your first question, all attacks receive the bonus to hit. No clue onthe secnd one, though I wouldn't put any weight on when it was published.

Andoran

You have a very odd set of assumptions, highly favorable magic item (which is not in pathfinder proper, just 3.5) and the same ability stacking with itself with very unfavorable assumptions of a 15 point buy.

My build would probably be dwarf monk 1, warpriest X. I doubt the gains from monk 2 would be worth the loss of a caster level.

Andoran

In a novel I read a character is asked when to bleed a patient. Hisresponse is "When I want them to die." That is my opinion on edition changes.

Andoran

Death attack was the name of the ability in the assassin class from way back in 3.x.

Andoran

Interesting story here.

A couple of highlights:

Quote:

Black residents of Ferguson say there's been friction for years with the overwhelmingly white police department.

White residents also complain the police are heavy-handed.

So it sounds like the police force is alienating people of both races. However:

Quote:
According to a 2013 report released by the Missouri attorney general, African-Americans are highly over-represented in crime statistics. They accounted for 93% of arrests after traffic stops, 92% of searches and 86% of traffic stops.

Andoran

From what I know of the slayer class, I would probably start there and add and subtract, loosing 6th level spellcasting is ridiculously hard to balance against.

Andoran

A police officer from L.A. has some advice for protestors:

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"Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you," he writes. "Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:

Functionally, probably not much.

Then you can't do it. The constitution is the highest law of the land. You cannot simply back door ban things you can't legally ban through the front door.

Ever hear of the Patriot Act? The constitution is on life support, at best.

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While I'm not a fan of giving up an inch of liberty for safety, letting the police have time to arrange for detours and close off streets is in everyone's best interest.
WHich isn't what they're doing. They're arresting people for standing there.

Which goes back to best judgement. Just like the police can derail a protest to protect people from a gasoline spill, so to can they derail a protest to protect it from mob violence. Or protect it from traffic. etc.

Now if you're willing to take the cases to court, you might, MIGHT, be able to convince someone worthwhile that your right to protest was subverted by police because they didn't like what you were saying, but that's 6 months + down the road and gods know how much in lawyer fees, at which point someone in the police department gets a couple hours sensitivity and/or riot training.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Could you, for the love of all that is polyhedral, explain to me how that is remotely different from denying it?

Functionally, probably not much. I suspect there is a law that requires an assembly be allowed within so many days kf being filed for, but very likely there are an equal number of ways around that.

Quote:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

While I'm not a fan of giving up an inch of liberty for safety, letting the police have time to arrange for detours and close off streets is in everyone's best interest.

Andoran

Fergie wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:


Less of a difference than you might think actually. Even criminals have rights.
While I agree with your statement, I don't think having rights prevents them from being violated. If someone can violate your rights with near impunity then "having rights" becomes almost meaningless.

True, but as we have seen they can often violate the rights of suspects and criminals alike so again, there is not a big difference between the two.

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EDIT: To apply that to the people of Ferguson- Do they have a right to peacefully assemble, if police interfere with them when they attempt to exercise that right? Do the people need to be granted permission from the police in order to exercise their rights?

vvv Agree vvv

This is one reason for permits. For instance, I can't get with a friend of mine and choose to assemble in front of someone's drive way just because I don't like them and want to keep them from driving to work.

Now I don't know what the exact steps for getting a permit are, I would assume it would go through city hall, and the police would be involved, though I don't know exactly how much input the police would have.

But yes, police do have the right to interfere even in a perfectly legal protest, to an extent. Imagine, for a moment, a march going down a street, all its permits signed and everything. Then, 2 blocks ahead on the marcher's route a fuel truck over turns and gasoline goes everywhere. That is incredibly dangerous and the police can, and indeed must interfere.

Unfortunately that opens up a when can and can't police interfere discussion, and I suspect though I don't know for sure that the answer is they must use their best judgement.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:

You don't need a permit for most firearms, just like you don't need one for most assemblies.

The government cannot tell you you can't assemble.

And how, pray tell, is it even possible to get 1,000 people together without blocking a street or violating some other petty ordinance? Your interpretation completely ENDS the right to assemble by making it completely impossible to do. It goes beyond infringement.

The government most definitely can tell you not to assemble, they're doing it as we type in Ferguson. Now if it is a big enough assembly and properly scheduled they have a duty to accomodate you, even if it meams blocking roads and redirecting traffic, but they'll impose limits all the same, limits on where it can happen, when it can happen, etc.

On a very small scale think of a policeman enforcing antiloitering laws, that is, in a way, limiting your right to assemble.

Eta: You are right, most assemblies don't need a permit, but those are trumped by local ordinances. If you need special treatment under the law (ie. Your protest is so large it will block streets) you will need permits. And that isn't entirely bad, it helps keep everyone safe (ideally).

Andoran

Fergie wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

Sorry, you can't break the law as a way of protesting the police. You follow the legal rules in place to protest or you risk being treated as...GASP...a criminal.

I should also point out that cops don't have the power to designate you a criminal, nor are they allowed to sentence you. Police are not supposed to treat you like a "criminal", they are supposed to treat you like a suspect, and there is a big difference!

Less of a difference than you might think actually. Even criminals have rights.

Andoran

HarbinNick wrote:
Now that Martial Law has been declared, doesn't that mean the civil/criminal code is no longer being enforced, but rather Martial Law? ie...court martial, detention, and so on?

No. That would require stripping people of more rights than they're willing to give up. Yet at least. Another scare or two on a national level and then maybe they'll ok that, in the name of safety.

And on a totally unrelated note heavily armed, self sufficient survivalist compounds look better every year.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Its not that I don't accept limitations on the freedom of assembly, its that the right seems to be completely overridden by ANY other concern. Its like its not even part of the constitution or something.

This is more like saying no gun can ever be on or cross a public road. It effectively ends the right in question.

No, it is more like saying you can't carry your gun any and every where. They are welcome to get permits and hold protests, they are not welcome to do so without said permits, nor in times or places outside of what those permits allow. Just as you can't carry without a permit and can only carry where the permit allows.

Also, when police are on the scene you are required to obey their orders for public safety. If a cop asks for your gun you hand it over, if a cop tells you to get out of the road you do so. No differentthan if a cop told you that you had to takea detour on a road.

Andoran

Fake Healer wrote:

It shouldn't involve destroying other private citizen's property or businesses. If you are demonstrating against the police/government then why are you stealing TVs from Old Man Harry's store?

Also standing up for your principles and beliefs doesn't give you a free pass to say "I was standing up for XXX when I punched the cop". You want to do criminal acts then you accept that you may be arrested and/or treated like a criminal. I don't agree with what is being protested due to the stories and "facts" that I have seen so to me they are just criminals being a menace to the law-abiding people of the neighborhood. The law-abiding people need to be safe and the police are trying to control lawlessness so the law-abiding people can feel safe and continue to be targeted with random traffic ticket taxations.

I understand revolt and revolution but there is no cause here in my eyes for it and this is all an excuse to loot and pillage under the guise of racial hatred and tensions.

The British didn't believe their colonies had any right to revolt and were just using it as an excuse to loot ans pillage, look how that turned out.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

Sorry, you can't break the law as a way of protesting the police. You follow the legal rules in place to protest or you risk being treated as...GASP...a criminal.

You aren't breaking the law when you assemble. The cops are breaking the law when they stop you from assembling.

You are when you do it in certain areas that impede roadways and such...

Really? Traffic ordinances overwrite the constitution?

Why don't we take peoples guns away for public safety then?

edit: Comrade, where's that second photo from? Nazis in english? That looks... disturbingly interesting

Freedoms aren't absolute, just as freedom of speech has limitations, so to does the freedom of assembly.

As to taking guns away for the public safety, we do. Try going on a school's grounds (or a bar) while carrying.

Andoran

TheAntiElite wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Oh this is awesome.

Quote:
Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.

We are through the looking glass here, people.

Also I find myself wondering how anyone who wants to look good in this circumstance could think arrest of the media would help their cause in any way.

The simple answer to that is when the truth of what is happening is worse than what people imagine is happening based on the fact that they're preventing us from discovering what is happening.

More likely, however, thinking wasn't part of their job description.

Andoran

The paizo staff on the boards have stated that you cannot gain the same attribute to damage more than once. (Ie. Trying to take trench fighter and gunslinger.) I don't believe that it is ever, explicitly, stated in the books though.

Andoran

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thejeff wrote:

Oh this is awesome.

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Egypt on Tuesday urged U.S. authorities to exercise restraint in dealing with racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri - echoing language Washington used to caution Egypt as it cracked down on Islamist protesters last year.

That's hilarious. Also, sad.

When Egypt is like "bro, we're worried you might have some humans right violations. . . "

Andoran

LazarX wrote:
And just how nice do you think things are? You must be wearing some serious blinders not to recognise this as merely the eruption of a long standing problem in this town, and countless others like it.

Um. . . What? I acknowledge that the situation is bad in previous posts, and in the edit to the post you quoted (which I guess I did after you quoted me). But let us at least be reasonable and factual about what is going on, it isn't protestors getting attacked because someone threw a plastic water bottle like BNW said, there has been gunfire and more coming at the police.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:


I suspect the Molotov cocktails and gunfire had more to do with the stun grenades and tear gas than the water bottles, but nice attempt at making the cops seem worse than they are. Not that they really need your help to look bad.
So where are all the burned and torched cops from these cocktails? I was watching this on cnn, didn't see a single fire go up on the police side before they let loose with the heavy artillery.
CNN wrote:

More violence. More tear gas. No answers.

Stun grenades and tear gas canisters arced through the night sky and into crowds of protesters overnight in Ferguson, Missouri, after police said they had been targeted with rocks, Molotov cocktails and gunfire amid continuing demonstrations over the death of Michael Brown.

You can believe the police or not believe the police, but the fact is they're there and have a better idea of what is happening than you do. 3 or so minutes of footage from a single angle by someone who may or may not have an agenda doesn't give a comprehensive vision of rather or not the police were attacked.

Andoran

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Flash bangs tear gas, and 200 police pointing machine guns at people to arrest 14 people remaining.

Freaking NUTS.

They're going balistic (literally) because of thrown water bottles. I've had to put up with that without reacting, with no helmet, just to move snakes out a crowded area. An APC, full on body armor, bullet proof vests and they're wetting themselves over Avion.

I suspect the Molotov cocktails and gunfire had more to do with the stun grenades and tear gas than the water bottles, but nice attempt at making the cops seem worse than they are. Not that they really need your help to look bad.

Andoran

Their magic is so different from Pathfinder magic that will be difficult.

An artifact that gives you wbl magic items bonuses but prevents the use of magic items would be a start.

Andoran

thejeff wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:

national guard

executive order 14-09 can be downloaded here.
So much for constitutional accountability.

Deploying the police force with military grade equipment is one thing, but rolling out the actual military against our own people is a whole 'nother thing indeed. Bleh. From bad to worse.

Maybe. Maybe not.

It can be bad. Thinking back to the 60s and Kent State and other uses of the Guard against peace protesters. OTOH, I also think back to seeing the Guard used to defend desegregation. Honestly at this point, them just not being cops might be enough.

So you think it is a bad idea to give military equipment to police to handle this situation, but acceptable to send in the actual military?

At "best" this works perfectly, they handle the looting amd everyone is happy and all across America the idea of deploying our own military to deal with our own civilians becomes a little more palatable. Lose, lose IMO.

Andoran

yellowdingo wrote:

national guard

executive order 14-09 can be downloaded here.
So much for constitutional accountability.

Deploying the police force with military grade equipment is one thing, but rolling out the actual military against our own people is a whole 'nother thing indeed. Bleh. From bad to worse.

Andoran

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yellowdingo wrote:

Michael Brown autopsy

Monstrous.

I'm curious what part of his you find monstrous. I'm guessing it is the 6 shots. IMO: Once the police have deided an incident has scaled to the point where it is necessary to take a life, shooting 6 times is fine, you never know when drugs or hidden armor or what have you can make the situation worse. Not like he'd be less dead if the cop had shot him 5 times instead of 6.

The part that bothers me is the lack of powder burns. I don't know exactly how close you have to be to get them, but obviously the kid wasn't that close. Looks bad for the police officer.

Andoran

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What are the outcomes everyone hopes comes out of this?

Andoran

jemstone wrote:
TheAntiElite wrote:


Which doesn't seem to be a problem for the Open Carry people, but you do have a point.

This has been a pretty big piece of frustration and ire on my end of things regarding a lot of the Ferguson and Wal-Mart shooting cases, because apparently it's okay to walk into a Wal-Mart, or down a street, or through a park, carrying a gun openly. As long as you're white. Because you will get the benefit of the doubt.

Not Caucasian, though?

You're more likely to get shot for looking like you might have a gun than a white person who has one is.

I just... I have a really hard time believing that even the most stubborn of us in the world can't see that as institutionalized and overt racism on the part of the police force(s) (and the Open Carry Lobby) in question.

I know you wouldn't make a statement like this without some kind of evidence to back it up and I'd love to see it...

Andoran

Spells work off of caster level, not class level or character level. That's one of the reasons losing caster levels is so bad and items which boost your caster level are so good.

Andoran

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Calth wrote:
Claxon wrote:

You all are the ones being pedants.

Please understand that the people writing these products aren't lawyers and aren't trying to indicate special meeting. The whole sentence is about qualifying for feats.

It's a special clause that allows you to qualify for feats a bit earlier than you normally could. Like being able to pickup power attack at level 1. But power attack still function like it normally would for any 3/4 BAB character.

I'm sorry that it isn't more explicit and clear to you, but I guarantee that it doesn't work by allowing you to have full BAB for those feats.

If you try and make an argument based on rules of language, make sure you are right or expect someone to call you on it. Yes, the RAI is most likely as you say. Unfortunately, the RAW doesnt match the likely RAI. The whole points of threads like this is to make sure possible issues like this come to the Devs attention so it can get FAQd/errated quickly.

I'm not sure you're aware, but this game actually does require you to read with your brain engaged. That's a feture, not a flaw.

Andoran

BigDTBone wrote:
ShadowcatX wrote:

First, I'm pretty sure looters don't have anything to distinguish them from normal peaceful protestors except during the comission of the crime itself. And, if they are like most criminals would prefer to commit their crimes while the police are either not present or have their hands very full.

Beyond that, I suspect police had pretty strict orders of what they could and could not do to the crowd. Also, they were very likely nervous as hell and not comfortable taking their attention off the large portion of the crowd to deal with a small portion of it. Cops are people to, and at the end of the day they want to go back home to their families as much as the next guy.

Now in a perfect world they would have been able to deal with every single looter and not interfere with a single protestor, and none of the protestors would have interfered or done anything to cause the situation to escalate. We don't live in that world.

I'm pretty sure nothing distinguishes you from murderous sociopath except the commission of the crime. Or for that matter, nothing distinguishes me from a wife beater except that I don't beat my wife.

On the other hand, nothing distinguishes racist-cop/murders from from officer friendly until they shoot an unarmed black kid for giving them lip.

In the case of a sociopathic murderer there is blood, a murder weapon, and physical evidence. In a looting not only are you not going to have time to dust for prints, you're probably not going to have an inclanation to do so when it means taking your attention off the crowd who is shooting at you. In a looting nothing distinguishes the guy who just emptied a register into his pockets from the person next to him except the contents of his pockets, and gods help a police officer here who randomly starts detaining people to search their pockets for stolen money.

Good try though.

Also, way to judge the cop guilty before a trial.

Andoran

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Paizo puts out a hard cover book, and within a week people are arguing about the definition of "but". . .

Andoran

First, I'm pretty sure looters don't have anything to distinguish them from normal peaceful protestors except during the comission of the crime itself. And, if they are like most criminals would prefer to commit their crimes while the police are either not present or have their hands very full.

Beyond that, I suspect police had pretty strict orders of what they could and could not do to the crowd. Also, they were very likely nervous as hell and not comfortable taking their attention off the large portion of the crowd to deal with a small portion of it. Cops are people to, and at the end of the day they want to go back home to their families as much as the next guy.

Now in a perfect world they would have been able to deal with every single looter and not interfere with a single protestor, and none of the protestors would have interfered or done anything to cause the situation to escalate. We don't live in that world.

Andoran

And now, after another round of looting the police are being criticized for not doing more. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Also, a curfew has been imposed on the city.

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