K177Y C47 wrote:Sauce987654321 wrote:Since lord of the rings always seems to be brought up, I remember in another thread where someone was saying shelob was an epic level encounter and a cave troll was a CR 17 encounter. I was pretty curious as to how someone finds these creatures that high of a CR, but that thread was pretty dead when I discovered those posts.I think that was quickly debunked seeing as The Leng Spider is not even an Epic creature and that thing can teleport all over the place... and Last i checked Shelob has no real supernatural powers....
It wasn't debunked at all. Shelob is a Mythic creature, almost a demi-diety. She is intelligent, and has Epic DR.
From LotR wiki:Ungoliant (Sindarin IPA: [uŋˈɡoljant]) was a primordial being in the shape of a gigantic spider. ...There, in a ravine south of the mountain Hyamentir, she established her dark abode and took the form of a monstrous spider, and here sucked up all the light she could find."
It took Morgoth (Sauron's boss and a ARMY of Balrogs to defeat her).
Even if shelob is a mythic creature (which wouldn't make sense as an ogre spider does the exact same thing as shelob) it would only grant her DR5/epic and her CR would still be around the same as an ogre spider (except with other abilities gained from mythic ranks which shelob doesn't have).