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GM Niles wrote:

How long was Rick in his coma? Did we ever find that out? 1-2 weeks?

Because if so...then things went south really fast.

The timeline here suggests a bit over 50 days. Not all of that time was unattended, but it seems like he laid there on his own for a good long while. He also recovered remarkably well for a guy who should have more than a month of muscle atrophy.

Rapid collapse is a genre convention the show seems keen on. Part of what interests me about FWD is seeing how well they can sell that. I'd probably keep watching just for the characters (and I watch The Walking Dead for that) but I'm very curious to see how much thought went into the end of civilization.


thejeff wrote:
Well in fairness, even though they had the mechanism wrong, swamps were damn unhealthy places to live. That it was bugs instead of bad air doesn't really change that.

This is true.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
the very D&D-named Great Dismal Swamp of Virginia
One of my colleagues and I took the schoolkids on a field trip there once. I don't recall it being particularly dismal, though. And maybe it was a dry day, but the section we were in wasn't too swampy, either.

It was named back when Europeans considered American swamps basically wet Mordor. They thought you got malaria and some other tropical diseases by breathing miasmas*, not from mosquitoes. So even the air was trying to kill you in there.

*I recall there's a brief reference to this in Treasure Island. Something with the doctor chiding a sailor for not knowing to avoid breathing bad air.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
I saw your Facebook post, Sam. Lemme know when you blog about Genovese.

The post with Genovese content went up today. It's stuff from a paper about the interest that ordinary white southerners could have in slavery despite not owning any people themselves. His involvement ended up fairly unanticipated. I set out to write one thing and ended up on a different one, so not much discussion of his place in the historiography or his weird personal trajectory.

I've gathered that whether you met him before or after he swapped Marx for reactionary Catholicism, he wasn't a very fun guy to work with. Very few notable students despite his prominence.


Hitdice wrote:


Sam, have you ever read about the Windward Maroons of Jamaica? It sounds terribly racist, but I think you'd enjoy the historical record.

Very little. Maroon communities appear to have been very rare, possibly non-existent, in the future United States. But they were pretty common in the Caribbean and South America. Most of my knowledge about them comes from David Brion Davis' Inhuman Bondage, which talks about them from a very high-level summary view. Possibly also something in Alan Taylor's American Colonies, plus some scattered bits on the Haitian Revolution. I haven't read anything like case studies or histories of them in particular, just how they fit into the system.


Gay Male Inhuman

Sorry, I forgot to update the initiative line. Yridhrennor is up next.

Can still do that as Abelard's action when the time comes, of course. The priestess who cast Command on Theran did so before Abelard made his climb into the room, so no AoO.


GM Niles wrote:

I was under the assumption that the "troubles" started earlier than Episode 1...perhaps a week or so before. I'm tempted to say you are correct though Turin, I think its a "We don't know what the hell is causing it and we don't have a good plan" but I mean...why the silence?

I'm very interested to see the episodes that feature the military trying to "take back" LA, and see what explanations are given.

I'm enjoying this series almost as much as TWD to be honest.

The pilot is pretty clear that something has been going on long enough that plenty of people know. They just don't know what. When Madison goes into school, there's talk about how many kids are out with the flu, or rather "the flu". It's referenced as though everybody knows about it and this has been the case for a while, albeit in increasing numbers. I'd peg it at a week to two weeks for internet rumors that this is more than a bad disease to go from crazy paranoid internet to marginally sane internet, possibly longer. Then another day or two for the viral video those girls were watching to go around.

By the end of this week's episode, we see people getting the hint that there's a real disaster coming. It doesn't seem like the panic has hit yet, but people in the know (Our Heroes. That cop Travis saw stocking up.) are acting accordingly.

I'm sure they'll never tell us, but I suspect Rick was awake at the beginning of last episode and in hospital before the middle of this one.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Opted to write up the rest of the chapter. A great deal of it is just more detail on the first part, but there's also banking stuff and things about trade realignment.
Thanks! You're making me wish I'd read this in 2001-03, when I lived in SC.

There'll probably be more. :) I'm having fun writing them and I hit another few chapters that get pretty complicated: SC's transition from qualified nationalism to qualified nullification was one of those where it was hard to keep straight who was who. Especially with people changing positions over less than a year. Then right after that a deeply complicated chapter on Calhoun's own transition and the development of multiple, subtly different nullification theories.

There's a chance that after this I'll dig right into the other modern history of the event, but I'd probably be smarter to read some fiction in between.


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Round Two Recap
Yridhrennor offered up Terendelev's scale to aid the crusaders, holding his spell at the ready.

Theran called down the cultists' deception as the glaive-wielding priestess stabbed with her glaive. The spirits of his clan guide him to duck at just the right time to spare himself. The clan lives on!

The other priestess holds her scythe in the crook of her arm and prays, "Deskari enslaves you: Flee!"

In his mind's eye, Theran sees hordes of giant locusts chasing him. Unnatural fear grips his heart and he knows he has no choice but to obey.

Seeing the ladder full, Galin waited for Theran and Steave to make the moves of their choosing. Theran, however, felt demonic magic grip him and dictate his move: he dropped down the shaft and fled back to Yridhrennor.

Steave prepared another crusader's cocktail, maintaining his position at the foot of the ladder.

Galin dared the ladder and cultists gathered above. He scaled it and found himself nearly surrounded by enemies, pressing past and taking a cudgel to his shoulder as he approached the priestess with the glaive. He thrust his blade deep into her side.

With an enemy before them and their best efforts made, the mongrelfolk cultists fell back to the east, down a narrow tunnel and toward a barricade.

Back with the noncombatants, Saito remained on his guard and declined to join the rush up the ladder just yet.

Abelard joined Galin above, climbing the ladder in easy bounds and coming out with his huge sword swinging. The tip of the blade caught on a protrusion from the ceiling, spoiling his attack.

The huge rats, slavering, lunged at Galin and Abelard's legs. Both kicked away their attackers, suffering no more than some grime clinging to their boots.

Rules Stuff:

Abelard's attacker: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (10) + 1 = 11
Galin's attacker: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (9) + 1 = 10

And it's Round Three
Abelard's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Theran, Steave, Galin, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


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Insufficient rum. Insufficient sodomy. Surplus lash. Boards went down halfway through writing this. I saved the text, but the rolls will be different now. I'll go through and try to correct everything, but let me know if there's weirdness.

Round Two

Galin dared the ladder and cultists gathered above. He scaled it and found himself nearly surrounded by enemies, pressing past and taking a cudgel to his shoulder as he approached the priestess with the glaive. He thrust his blade deep into her side.

With an enemy before them and their best efforts made, the mongrelfolk cultists fall back to the east, down a narrow tunnel and toward a barricade.

Back with the noncombatants, Saito remained on his guard and declined to join the rush up the ladder just yet.

Rules Stuff:

Mongrel AoO: 1d20 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (13) + 4 + 1 = 18
Mongrel AoO: 1d20 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (16) + 4 + 1 = 21
Damage: 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (2) + 3 = 5
Dire rat AoO: 1d20 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (13) + 1 + 1 = 15
Dire rat AoO: 1d20 + 1 + 1 ⇒ (8) + 1 + 1 = 10
Glaive priestess AoO: 1d20 ⇒ 8

816 damage has got to be a typo. :) I see 1d6 weapon, 1d6 holy from blessing, plus a crit for another 1d6 and doubling the str bonus, so 8 on top of that. Is the blessing damage an exception to the general rule that +dice damage isn't multiplied on crits? Or is this some house rule I made to crits and forgot about.

Goes looking...

Some guy named Samnell, ages ago wrote:


When you confirm a critical hit, you do not roll twice and you do not multiply your non-precision damage modifiers. Instead, a crit translates into an automatic maximum damage roll, to which you add your modifiers as normal. If your crit multiplier is greater than x2, you get 50% more weapon damage per point. So x2 gives the base 100%, x3 brings you to 150%, x4 to 200%, etc.

I think we all forgot that one. :) It's not a huge issue right now, but probably will be when things go mythic. Anyway, looks like Galin should get:

8 damage from the base hit (including his blessing) + 3 extra from the crit (taking the better of the two rolls) +4 more for str, adding up to 14.

Or house ruled:
10 (max damage, including strength) + 2 (blessing roll) = 12.

Eh, since we all forgot about the change, I'll go with the standard for now. 14 to the priestess. Neither would be enough to drop her, but she's hurt pretty good.

Abelard's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Theran, Steave, Galin, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


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Opted to write up the rest of the chapter. A great deal of it is just more detail on the first part, but there's also banking stuff and things about trade realignment.

I am still this boring:
Section 5
Main burden for lowcountry planters: old mortgages. Reduced income almost matches decline in COL. Soil good and cotton coming back, plus lowcountry crop not in competition with upcountry, so income usually enough to make payments. Especially so for rice. Some lowcountry planters still unlucky, yields not high enough to make up the difference and handle boom-era mortgage payments.

Other lowcountry problem: mosquito. Slaves apparently immune to worst kinds of malaria, but often sick, sometimes died, from weaker strains. Severe along the Savannah. James Henry Hammond, Jr: “the mortality on the River … is a drawback to the otherwise certain profit of our fine and fertile land.” Samuel Patterson, Charleston Rice factor: “It was never expected that the number of their people should increase- If they could keep up the force-which in many cases they could not do-it was all they hoped.”

Slave morbidity&mortality severe drain. Many plantations could swing natural increase enough to sell off extras at a profit. (Like Upper South ended up doing.) In lowcountry, births rarely > deaths. (Puts keen interest in keeping open, and later re-opening, Atlantic trade in perspective.) Costs in replacement slaves, medical bills, and lost labor.

White vulnerability to malaria also an issue. Forced reliance on hired overseers. Hard to get the good ones to come to lowcountry and risk themselves. Those who came often got sick, died. If you could get a guy willing to risk that, than he also had to take status loss: overseers members of “an inferior, degraded caste”. Some could make it big and turn planter, but lowcountry situation made it rare. “Needy wanderers” who took job not skilled or educated sufficiently for “intricate, technical, delicate” rice and sea island cotton. Regular “gross inefficiencies and expensive accidents”.

Absentee planters plus bad overseers made for bad gamble, however popular. When planter supervised, less accidents, better yield. Contemporary estimated 10% boost in gross, minimum. Direct supervision increased in 1820s, but most still went absentee. Even with planters on hand, limited improvement due to years absence and personal ignorance. Even sea islanders running high end cotton ended up leaning on overseers.

Crux: lowcountry planters large capitalists “who often despited the painstaking care and economy which a capitalistic enterprise requires.” Management seemed too Yankee. Instead preferred conspicuous consumption: fie wine, summer resorts. More debt meant a bigger show, not cutting back.

Malaria & currency shortage set limits on production, but seldom caused bankruptcies. Planter culture required extravagance, shunned practicality, looked down on overseers. This pushed the unlucky underwater.

Younger generations had limited options. Older planters could not set kids up from lack of funds. “Honorable” professions: law, medicine, religion, overcrowded. Well-bred refused “despised” careers as merchants, overseers, mechanics. Instead drank & idled in Charleston.

All of this looks like a disaster, but not so. Rice remained leading crop. Yields & prices stayed in the black for whole decade prenullification.Whitemarsh Seabrook says rice “a much more certain crop than Cotton, liable to few diseases, less likely to be seriously affected by physical causes, and but seldom subject to ruinous fluctuations in price.” Lowcountry cotton planters lean on Kinsey Burden-style cotton as hope for 1830s. All the same, lowcountry still one of wealthiest groups in nation.

Section 6

Upcountry cotton planters. Lowcountry guy short on cash now and then. Upcountry “impoverished.” Currency contraction+overproduction of short staple cotton drop prices 71% 1818-1829, only 49% drop in COL. Tarrif hurt here, keeping up consumer prices but not cotton, but didn’t do the whole job.

Poor yields add to low prices, courtesy of depleted soil. Upcountry land less worn out than eroded. Rain+hills. Plowing accelerated process. By 1832 piedmont full of deserved fields. Those still worked worked for less.

Some upcountry skipped off to Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana for new land and lower cost. Those who stayed behind stuck under mortgages. One issue of Edgefield Hive: 9 columns of sheriff’s sales. Could sell everything and not pay back debt.

Southwest lands huge competition, but not only issue. Advantage: except along Savannah, upcountry plantations could count on slave increase for some income. Sell occasionally to make mortgage, give to kids to set up. One guy claims cash value of increase 10%+ of income. With cotton low, % could be higher. Slight exaggeration of Benjamin F. Perry: “the greater part” of slave profits “from their increase, which is very considerable. At this time they sell well, and always bring their value at sheriff’s sale, whilst everything else is sacrificed.”

Longterm slave profits cushioned against cotton fluctuation, let careful prosper still. Secret to success: limit risks, keep yield high, mortgage down, grow own supplies. Plow and drain properly against erosion, fertilize and rotate fields for steady crop. This and debts avoided, planter insulated from currency issues. Grown your own and don’t pay consumer prices. Guy preaching this, George McDiffie, started 1821 with 300 acres and “only a few slaves”. By 1841, he had 5,000 acres and 175 slaves despite years of “extremely low” prices.

McDuffie method against the grain of boom-era thinking. Most uplanders spent the good times going for the biggest possible score. No sense raising corn with cotton at thirty cents a pound. Plenty of land, so no care about wasting it. Profits always going up, so why avoid debt?

Depression hit and the gamblers left exposed to worst of it. Importing food, clothes, supplies meant he needed cash now scarce that low cotton prices could not get him. Erosion left him without soil to even sustain past yields. External forces put the squeeze on. But go the McDuffie way and supplement with slave sales and you could still manage. Just few did.

For same reasons as McDuffie, yeomen usually depression-proof. No debt, by definition raising own supplies, largely independent of boom & bust.

Section 7
In good times, seemed no limit to SC’s future. State did million dollar internal improvement program to make rivers navigable to the NC border. Ended up costing two million and failed. Above the fall line, trade still switched to wagons. Canals impractical. Below fall line, where less spent, steamboats and river improvements altered trade and changed Charleston economy.

Pre-1819 and steamboat, 1000s of wagoners went down from upcountry each harvest, carrying staples to Charleston, going home with supplies. Center of Charleston economy upper King Street, along neck (connection of peninsula with rest of state). Retailers met wagons there, bartered for goods before going into town for repairs from emchanics.

1819-23, wagon trade shrunk in face of steamboats. Down to quarter of past size. By ‘28, wagons rarely came. At fall line, string of towns grew up, economically significant for first time: Hamburg, on Savannah across from Augusta, GA, Columbia on the Congaree, Camden on Wateree, Cheraw on Pee Dee. Cotton to here by land, some sold there, rest consigned to Charleston merchants. Old Charleston retail center nigh deserted, land value cut in half, grass growing in streets.

Some retailers moved up to fall line towns, Hamburg or Columbia, others to East Bay. But commerce went to fewer hands, squeezing out bulk with the end of petty bartering. Making the move required cash or credit few could raise. (Currency contraction again.) Fewer purchasers in town meant prolonged slump.

Steamboat also hurt Charleston mechanics. White laborers suffered from decline in uplanders into town. Then made worse by competition from free blacks. 1810-20, free black population of city almost doubled, jobs declined with number of men seeking them rising. Whites at disadvantage further because community looked down on manual labor, hated free blacks. To maintain what standing they had, and self-respect, whites had to charge almost twice what blacks would for same work. Also could not obey orders (like a slave) or “obtrude” (solicit) without reducing themselves to level of blacks. By late 20s, free and slave artisans driving whites out of city, getting foothold inw hite-colllar clerking jobs. By ‘37, nonslaveholding mechanics almost forced out. Poor, “rabid racists” often degraded in own eyes, mechanics keen for revolution. More so even than retailers.

Steamboat good for East Bay merchants. As much cotton still going through, decline in “petty” King Street retail put more control over planters in hands of merchants. Columbia merchants often relied on East Bay finance. Economic power concentrated in East Bay.

East Bay prosperity hung on stable amount of trade through Charleston. Very secure. City’s decline as merchant center relative, not absolute. Commerce not decreasing, but only not going up as fast as other ports. More bales than ever in 1832. SC rivers didn’t reach like New York, New Orleans, or Mobile river systems did. Direct import from Europe down, but compensated by indirect import through NY. Many East Bay merchants were agents of European firms pre-20, so not a big shift for them to become agents for NY later.

Bottom line: Charleston mechanics & retailers suffered, but commerce constant and East Bay rich as ever.

Section 8

East Bay good times not reaped by SC at large. Some trickle-down, though. East Bay financed railroad to Hamburg, to keep their shave of Savannah river trade. But this the exception. No substantial reinvestment in SC economy. Instead successful merchants emigrants from North or Europe, who went home with their fortunes to escape yellow fever, aka “stranger’s fever”.

Outsiders in control fmost SC commerce. Yankees owned most of shipping, bulk of insurance, dominated upcountry peddling. Profits spent outside state, further draining away specie. One of biggest consequences of plantation focus in the boom.

Gentry made things worse with migration. Every summer, spent over $500,000 outside state. Every year, emigrants from upcountry took away cash to Southwest.

Tariff final blow. Customs at CHarleston collected over $500,000 for feds than spend in SC. Another specie outflow. SC exaggerated tariff effects, but between keeping consumer prices up and draining money out contributed to hard times in early 30s.

Specie drain made worse by lack of banking in upcountry. Moneyed economy in fall-line towns wanted banks, yet banking expansion lagged far behind trade.

In 20s, SC’s four private banks all in Charleston and controled by East Bay. Banks issued few long-term mortgages, financed trade via short-term loans to merchants. Merchants convinced that NY goodwill required reliable SC paper money, so very tight rein on issues. Branks of Bank of US, also in Charleston, managed by East Bay and used resources to rpobide bills of exchange on other cities.

Bank of the State of South Carolina, owned and operated by state. Branches in Charleston, Georgetown, Camden, Columbia in 20s. Two upcountry, but not much cash going into piedmont. Charter limited loans to no more than twice capital. Required to bestow equally on upcountry (who needed it) and lowcountry (usually didn’t.) Most of bank’s funds locked in long-term plantation mortgages. Bank thus limited to farm loan office, few new loans for entrepeneurs.

President of bank, Stephen Elliot. Rice planter+botanist. Made limits worse by managing bank like a tidewater aristo. Advocated divorcing paper from specie and issuing rag currency based on land values, alarmed conservatives. But in practice Elliott no radical. One of most tightfisted banks in country. He could issue paper only by calling in old debts. He refused since debtors were peers. Renewed loans instead of foreclosed. Genteel culture beat radical theory.

With so little paper in the upcountry, planters ended up using depreciated dollars from NC and GA. Money very unstable and increased exposure to fluctuations. Worse still, could not pay SC taxes with them. Had to use SC notes, which commanded premium when buying GA or NC dollars. Hording in vicious cycle ensued. Currency contracts more, taxes harder to pay, could be as damaging as booms and busts from wildcat finance.

Especially serious problems in fall line towns. New trade centers needed short-term loans, could get few. Forced to borrow from Charleston banks, controlled by East Bay. They required sign-off of Charleston merchant on all notes. Merchants wanted 2.5% interest for services, which Columbia passed on to planters. Upcountry bled either way. No banks in Hamburg, so they borrowed from Augusta, which then gained advantage in controlling upper Savannah trade. Cheraw’s had same problem.

Legislature tried tof ix bank problem. Early 20s Hamburg and Cheraw get charters. “Irresponsible” businessmen capture Cheraw bank, which fails a few months after opening. Henry Schultz, founder of Hamburg, opened his own bank instead of take on specie-paying requirement from state. Issued paper based on cotton, not gold. August crushed him.

Mid-20s severl bids for charters, but private banks compete with state. Private bank profits enrich individuals, whereas Bank of State gave ~100k each year to treasury. Legislators torn loyalty to Bank of State and need to expand upcountry.

‘26 and ‘27, leg tries compromise. Offers chance to buy several million of stock in Bank of State, if million subscribed. State would get previous invesment, profits. Private subscribers add to capital and get proportionate share of new profits. More capital would go to piedmont.

Compromise did not take into account private interest. Charleston merchants no wish to invest in loan office, every reason to fight piedmont banking. Upcountry merchants wanted bank of their own, not chance to split with upcountry planters. SC planters more into paying off mortgages than buying bank stock. Requisite million never came, state withdrew offer. SC ended 20s with same bank system as entered.

Heavy specie drain + poor upcountry banking limited currency, deepened piedmont depression. Hard money shortage partly due to colonial SC economy, but no economic reason why upcountry banks not chartered, why aristos so extravagant, why Charlestonians could not regain control of own banks. Exaggerated scarcity of currency was another way which SC helped weaken itself by bad economics.

By 32, SC began campaign to revive economy. Upcountry a few experiemnts with horizontal plowing, drainage against erosion. At tidewater, summer villages multiplied as planters came home to supervise operations. Carolinians begin working to retake East Bay. By ‘32, Columbia got private bank charter, Hamburg had bank of State. Good signs, but absenteeism, idle younger sons, slovenly planting, and poor banking persist still.

Campaign against tariff “most articulate expression” of SC’s desire to end avoidable aspects of 20s depression. Nullification came at transition in SC economic history, fury in part about nullifiers doubts about achieving “aggressive, efficient capitalist system”. Often declared tariff double bad: bounties to Yankee merchants as well as SC drain. Rhetoric “scarcely concealed” fear that South would not have equal share with Yankee business in nation’s future.

Deeper economic cause of nullfiication: indigence of Carolinians in 1000s. All around state, citizens risk loss shops, alnd, slaves, focus anger on tariff. White mechanics, degraded and failing against black labor, retailers, poor thanks to end of wagon trade, piedmont cotton sucking down low prices and yields, all hope tariff change would save them.

At SC tidewater, rice + cotton, like most planters, cursed tariff. Yet pushed tariff crusade to revolutionary extreme where most South would not follow. Question not whether lowcountry against tariff but why and why in so strong a form. Minority feared bankruptcy or for kids to have economic reason to risk war for the change.

But most rice and luxury cotton planters prosperous in 20s. Sea islanders expected better in 30s. From economic POV, planters in lowcountry hardly had reason to go for broke. Their crusade not about personal deprivation.


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Galin? Ladder's clear enough. There's also a spot up top you could slide into, though you'd be at hazard of AoOs to take it.


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Dragonofashandflame wrote:

agreed! have fun!

on that note... potential 2 hurricanes making landfall tomorrow (Ignacio) and later in the week (Jimena) so.. um... I may randomly go silent?

I expect to see you on the Weather Channel with that bike you have that transforms into a broom.


Kirth Gersen wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Since I really, truly am this boring...
To me, it's fascinating, not boring. I hope you'll post more!

I'll try to post more in the future then. I don't go back often and do notes for myself, so often not much to share. Probably ought to do it more, but I have a lot of built-up resentment of being required to take notes that I didn't need to do well in school and would not have used even if they did help.

Freehling writes very convoluted chapters, which make shim a good candidate for exceptions to policy. Also the only officious adult requiring I do it is me. :)

With regard to Mrs. Gersen's miseducation, that's depressingly stereotypical. I've heard of plenty of aversions, on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line, but the stereotype's not completely made up.


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Steave Rojerz wrote:

My family and I are traveling out the country tomorrow until September 8. I will have infrequent access and opportunity to post. Bot me as necessary.

cheers

Noted. Enjoy your trip.


Gay Male Inhuman

Galin can certainly delay.

Round Two

Seeing the ladder full, Galin waited for Theran and Steave to make the moves of their choosing. Theran, however, felt demonic magic grip him and dictate his move: he dropped down the shaft and fled back to Yridhrennor.

Up ahead, Steave prepared another crusader's cocktail.

Galin's next due to his delay. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Theran, Steave, Galin, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

Map Notes: Theran is actually directly above Steave, but there's no way to really show that without having him block out Steave, so he's to the side and standing kind of in a wall.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


Prelude to the Civil War: The Nullification Controversy in South Carolina 1816-1836 by William W. Freehling wrote:
"When preaching and logic failed, the rebel chief employed lies and threats."


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Hitdice wrote:
ZOMG Samnell, dumb it down a bit for the rest of us, will you? I prefer books featuring rocketships and rayguns, okay?

I did go back and make notes to keep the players straight. Freehling writes mammoth chapters divided into shorter sections, which can be really nice because you know when he changes the subject but can also get annoying.

Since I really, truly am this boring:

Notes from Prelude to Civil War: The Nullification Controversy in South Carolina 1816-1836 by William W. Freehling.

Chapter Two: A Spotty Economy.

Section 1
Opposition to high protective tariffs was normal in the antebellum South. However, the most Southerners treated this as a normal political fight “in Congress and the courts”. SC nullifiers wanted to go to war over it. The rest of the South -surprise!- didn’t get that extreme. Why such intensity in SC?

Could be depression. If so, would follow that SC whites against nullification would have had not suffered the downturn, or done so less severely. Turns out that to a degree, that’s true. Nullifiers included:

Upcountry cotton planters
Charleston mechanics (skilled labor)
Charleston retailers

All hurt by the depression. By contrast, Charleston merchants and mountain yeomen not hurt much and opposed nullifiers. But two exceptions: Lowcountry rice and long-staple cotton planters “overwhelmingly” nullificationist but “somewhat prosperous”. If it was just profit, one would expect their indifference or opposition. More at play.

Second 2
Boom begins in 1816, end of war and embargo. Low interest rates, inflated currency encourage high levels of debt. Lots of overextension. Staple prices twice normal. With things only going up, many planters mortgage estates to the hilt to expand and indulge in conspicuous consumption. Textile factories in Upcountry shuttered to focus on growing rather than processing cotton. Investments shift from “countinghouses” to fields.By 1819, economy almost completely centered on agriculture.

Depression comes in 2 stages, persists longer than boom.
1) Panic of 1819 to resumption of English specie payments in 1822. Stage had little to do with SC itself, just a general depression they suffered. Sharp currency contraction. Customers rushed to redeem paper for specie, so bankers called in loans and pulled back paper issues. English specie payments make deflation worse. (By removing last supply of new paper?) Paper in circulation cut in half over period. Worst depression since revolution. Cost of living went down over 35%, which mitigated the deflation a bit. Thus you weren’t hurt too bad...unless you had a lot of debts. Debts much harder to pay with it.

2) Decline in prices (cotton) due to overproduction. Doesn’t hit as many commodities as first stage, but consumer prices steady. Thus falling incomes hurt more. Debtors feeling pinch from deflation hurt worse thanks to low incomes in late 1820s. Upcountry cotton hit hardest thanks to its own overproduction and high debts.

Section 3
Rice planters in tidewater/lowcountry. First depression stage takes rice from six cents to less than three per pound. Land and slaves go up for auction as some ruined, but rice prices rise above three cents again despite general price decline. For whole 1819-29 depression, rice falls only a little more than cost of living

Offset between falling price and COL easier to see in hindsight. Declining incomes feel like losing ground despite purchasing power. Cause for controversy all the same. But rice planters could see good incomes all the same. ~3 cents per pound was typical pre-1800 price and remained typical price through 1854. High prices of 1816-9 boom abnormal, let down but not crushing. Decade before controversy rice planters got roughly average prices.

Yields steady because swamps renew themselves. Easy to fertilize when needed. Robert Barnwell Rhett (famous nullifier, fire-eater) boasts losing 1 crop in 11 years. Praises steady prices. Not a guy feeling the pinch. Bankruptcy scares of first stage depression mostly false alarm. Expected rice profits 8% per year, aside benefits like food, servants, house. Rare for rice planters to actually go under, even if occasionally cash-poor.

Section 4
Sea-island cotton. Long staple luxury good. Different grades: island-grown superfine (few planters), regular sea island (ditto insular), less fine (ditto), less silky “mains and santee” (mainland, Santee basin). Even low-grade is luxury good, not hit by overproduction issues. Lots of demand for lace, muslin, scarves. Big profits, so planters stop caring about quality: “delicate fibers ginned with stained products enclosed and tossed into a bag with potato skins, crushed seeds, and rusty jack knives”. On eve of panic, worst stuff barely better than upcountry cotton.

1820s consumers sick of the screwing around. Best quality commands premium, but regular, main, and santee drop 45% 1819-22, against just 35% drop in COL. Caterpillars eat several mid-20s crops. Poor quality + better factory processing come close to closing quality gap between staples.

Lowcountry cotton planters clean up act. More fertilization. Plantation land reclaimed and returned to use, especially Edisto Island. Poor soil still issue, some planters abandon lands, but production and quality increase in 20s so not controlling. Lots of complaints about uncultivated land, but most vacant plantations actually inland tidewater given up when growing rice closer to ocean/on rivers turned more profit.

Return to quality kept lowcountry long-staple out of competition with upcountry short-staple. Independent uses, so price decline only 15% (1822-9) for lowcountry, vs upcountry 36%. COL drop 22% same period. Lowcountry cotton like rice: price drop barely more than COL drop.

Sea island planters worried about finance more than rice guys anyway. Income probably lower than for rice than was pre-1818-19 boom. Caterpillars and soil+fertilization not issues at all for rice, but problem for cotton. So still looking for ways to make mortgage. Late 20s Kinsey Burden experiments and gets silkiest lowcountry fiber yet. Sells 18,000 pounds in ‘26. $1.10 a pound. Next year gets $1.25. Everyone wants to know how. He almost sells secret to SC legislature for $200k. 1830, everyone thinks it’s a tufted seed. By ‘32, most islanders, many mainlanders growing superfine. But need seed and good soil to make it work. Many got good prices, but failed due to poor yield.

Failures matter for nullification? No. Not clear until after 1832 elections and quick successes just as much nullifier as others. Burden big nullifier himself. Main thing: lowcountry nullifiers not desperate, but actively experimenting and hopeful.

I wrote it as reference to myself, so it's far from my best prose, but it's there. Note that this is only the first four sections of the chapter. Thereafter Freehling gets into talking about SC's lack of capital and the ways that the planter culture exacerbated it as well as drills down in a bit more detail on some case studies.


Gay Male Inhuman

Round Two

Yridhrennor offered up Terendelev's scale to aid the crusaders, holding his spell at the ready.

Theran called down the cultists' deception as the glaive-wielding priestess stabbed with her glaive. The spirits of his clan guide him to duck at just the right time to spare himself. The clan lives on!

The other priestess holds her scythe in the crook of her arm and prays, "Deskari enslaves you: Flee!"

In his mind's eye, Theran sees hordes of giant locusts chasing him. Unnatural fear grips his heart and he knows he has no choice but to obey.

Rules Stuff:

Glaivery: 1d20 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (5) + 4 + 1 = 10

Command save: 1d20 + 5 ⇒ (3) + 5 = 8
Theran must flee when his initiative comes up, but then he'll be free to act as normal on subsequent rounds.

Galin's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

Map Notes: Theran is actually directly above Steave, but there's no way to really show that without having him block out Steave, so he's to the side and standing kind of in a wall.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


Gay Male Inhuman
Theran, Clan Silverlight wrote:

*sigh* I was following the guy with heavier armor and shield for a reason. oh well.

Question, would withsdrawing onto the ladder (or jumping down) get an AoO? I can see an argument for both ways.

I assumed you'd want to go on. Sorry. :( If you'd like, I can retcon it.

Given the circumstances, I also have no problem with an AoO-free withdrawal down the ladder.


Gay Male Inhuman

Round One Recap

Sensing the immanent eruption of violence, Yridhrennor drew back and readied a spell as he warned the others.

Above, the cultists stirred.

Galin approached the shaft, invoking Arqueros' blessing.

Theran and Steave came to the ladder, Steave holding his shield high. Theran climbed past Steave and came to the top of the ladder, seeing above him a bare, foul-smelling chamber. He has only a moment to take it in before two mongrel cultists rush up to the edge of the shaft. An armored woman with a glaive stands to one side, swinging her weapon into play over the heads of a pair of slavering rats the size of dogs. Behind the mongrels, another woman hefted a scythe.

There was no sacrifice in evidence.

The mongrelmen hooted and swung their cudgels down on Theran's exposed head and shoulders. The first caught him with bone-jarring force, but the spirits warned him in time to duck the second.

Seeing another collection of too many crusaders around too small a shaft, Saito made an excellent jest and approached at a more cautious pace, waiting his turn at the ladder.

Abelard fell briefly silent. "Don't know - maybe they're bluffin', maybe they ain't. What I do know is, I been one o' their sacrifices; and I ain't gonna stand by an' let it happen to someone else." So resolved, he joined the advance.

Above, the rats launched themselves at Theran. The spirits guided him clear of their filthy jaws.

Rules Stuff:

Rat vs. Theran: 1d20 + 3 + 1 ⇒ (9) + 3 + 1 = 13
Rat vs. Theran: 1d20 + 3 + 1 ⇒ (1) + 3 + 1 = 5

And it's Round Two
Yridhrennor's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

Map Notes: Theran is actually directly above Steave, but there's no way to really show that without having him block out Steave, so he's to the side and standing kind of in a wall.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


Gay Male Inhuman

Round One

Theran and Steave came to the ladder, Steave holding his shield high. Theran climbed past Steave and came to the top of the ladder, seeing above him a bare, foul-smelling chamber. He has only a moment to take it in before two mongrel cultists rush up to the edge of the shaft. An armored woman with a glaive stands to one side, swinging her weapon into play over the heads of a pair of slavering rats the size of dogs. Behind the mongrels, another woman hefted a scythe.

There was no sacrifice in evidence.

The mongrelmen hooted and swung their cudgels down on Theran's exposed head and shoulders. The first caught him with bone-jarring force, but the spirits warned him in time to duck the second

Rules stuff:

I forgot to roll for the dire rats earlier. I'll put them dead last.

Mongrelman Cultists vs. Theran: 1d20 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (14) + 4 + 1 = 19 hit
Mongrelman Cultists vs. Theran: 1d20 + 4 + 1 ⇒ (11) + 4 + 1 = 16
Damage: 1d6 + 3 ⇒ (5) + 3 = 8

Saito's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard, Rats.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.

Map Notes: Theran is actually directly above Steave, but there's no way to really show that without having him block out Steave, so he's to the side and standing kind of in a wall.

The woman with the crossed swords icon is the one with the glaive.


Gay Male Inhuman
Steave Rojerz wrote:

Round 1

With consensus that there are sacrifices up there, Steave moves to the ladder keeping his shield up while climbing with one hand.

move action to and on ladder
standard action for total defence AC 24 = 20 +4 total D

Does Steave have the movement to get to the top of the ladder? Can't remember where he started from.


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Two days and two chapters into Freehling, though I confess the second was deeply confusing. I should probably go back and make a South Carolina politics & economy cheat sheet. Going into the crisis you have:

Upcountry Staple Cotton Planters
Upcountry Yeomen
Lowcountry Luxury Cotton Planters
Lowcountry Rice Planters
Lowcountry Mechanics and Merchants

Each one of these had a different experience with the economic dislocations of the 1820s, ranging from a small pinch that irritated more than hurt (rice) to a dip that prompted many of them to get their acts together and stop being obnoxious tools (long-staple cotton in the lowcountry). Guys used to ship their cotton, which was the good stuff used for lace and other luxury products, stuffed with dirty material, stained cotton, potato skins, rusty knives, whatever. They thought they were recession proof and had the world by the balls.

The upcountry felt the squeeze very badly since they were over-mortgaged. The whole state suffered from a shortage of hard money, which many state policies made worse, but the upcountry cotton planters were really on the rack for it.

Then you get into the mechanics (skilled labor in 19th century parlance) who saw their jobs going to a growing free black population and were increasingly unable to compete because of both economics and cultural things. (They could not advertise without a serious blow to status, since free blacks advertised.) And the merchants were being bought out and edged out by northerners.

Plus all the rich whites were dealing with the problem that they culturally loathed anybody who worked in any profession that wasn't planting, law, government, or clergy. Exploring options would have meant a massive status drop but those professions were all full to bursting.

It's a tangled mess and I'm sure half of this is wrong. You try sorting it out while you're starting to drift off. :)

But there is a nice aspect of it, aside the learning. In 1966 Freehling hadn't yet developed his love of nicknames or inclination toward private cant that make passages of Road to Disunion so hard to parse.


Gay Male Inhuman
Steave Rojerz wrote:
Samnell wrote:
Steave Rojerz wrote:
"Naw, we'll just wait for the durations of your magic spells to end." Steave replies.

More laughter answered Steave.

"Plenty of time for a sacrifice, then!" the voice answered.

Folks. A successful Sense Motive would detect if they have a sacrifice with them or were just lying to get us to come after them one at a time up the ladder, which is tactically very bad.

If they are lying, then we just wait them out and continue throwing Crusader cocktails at them and burn the rats out.

Please clarify.

Fair points. I just posted sense motive rolls for everyone who hadn't rolled it yet just in case, and added the stack to the dice macros for convenience. Looks like the crusaders believe in the sacrifice.


Gay Male Inhuman
Theran, Clan Silverlight wrote:
I'm expecting that they're going to attack the person coming up the ladder. What's the DC to go up the wall?

The ladder's in a small shaft. You could climb up the wall instead, but there's not really enough room for you to get into another square or something to foil an ambush.

However, in light of Discussion stuff, here's a sense motive for everyone save Steave. He's already rolled his.

Abelard: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (9) + 4 = 13
Galin: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (7) + 6 = 13
Saito: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (2) + 1 = 3
Theran: 1d20 + 0 ⇒ (6) + 0 = 6
Yridhrennor: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (6) + 3 = 9


Gay Male Inhuman
Samnell wrote:

Round One

Galin stepped forward, calling on Arqueros. His blade glowed.

Rules Stuff:

Galin's blade is Good for DR purposes and has +1d6 damage vs. evils.

Theran's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.


Gay Male Inhuman

Round One

Yridhrennor stepped back and held himself at ready, calling to mind the words to conjure a sphere of roiling acid for any who dared descent.

From above, the crusaders heard the cultists moving.

Galin's next. Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.


Treppa wrote:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm sick unto death of one aspect of a book (politician, event, article) being blown all out of proportion and being made the entire story by the Highly Offended Few. Honestly. Can't we take a subtle, nuanced look at the world? Between the blowup about the genderless narration of the Ancillary books and the ruckus about Atticus Finch's paternalistic attitude towards blacks in Watchman, I'm wondering if anybody bothers to, you know, read the actual books and look more than skin deep.

People are people. We're all perpetually infuriated that others disagree with what we consider important value judgments. I don't see us stopping any time soon. If we did, we'd probably instead have discovered that we didn't value some things quite like we thought we had.

But on topic, here's the first sentence of Freehling's nullification book: "February was the gay month in ante bellum Charleston."

A paragraph later he mentions that it was not up to usual standards. Someone should survey extant architecture and check if there was a recent upswing in closet construction which could have caused this. Come to think of it, the book is nearly fifty years old. There must be at least a dissertation on the subject by now.

Incidentally, to judge from Freehling's citations the prior historiography is pretty sparse too. As far as dedicated works go, it seems the last on the Nullification Controversy itself rather than treating it as part of a broader subject was from 1928, though there's also one from 1916 and another from 1893. In subsequent work I know of one from the late 80s. Seems like this is one of those areas where if I wanted to I could easily read all the major works. Might do that someday.


Finished Ancillary Justice. Pretty good, though the back half of it got interrupted several times. I could have had it done a few days back if not for that.

Now I've really got to read some history. Looks like Freehling's book on the Nullification Controversy. It's less than 400 pages, so if I can stick with it I might have the thing done by Christmas.


Gay Male Inhuman

Round One

Steave Rojerz wrote:


Steave believes them and will immediately attack, in order to save the sacrifice. I'll wait for other players to post before acting again. Cheers

Ok, let's get some initiatives up. Everyone could hear that, so I ought to have done some proactive sense motives anyway.

Let's do it this way.
Cultist Bluff Check: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (20) + 1 = 21

Initiatives:
Abelard: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (1) + 2 = 3
Galin: 1d20 + 4 ⇒ (12) + 4 = 16
Saito: 1d20 + 6 ⇒ (4) + 6 = 10
Steave: 1d20 + 2 ⇒ (13) + 2 = 15
Theran: 1d20 + 0 ⇒ (16) + 0 = 16
Yridhrennor: 1d20 + 10 ⇒ (18) + 10 = 28 always acts in surprise
Cultists: 1d20 + 1 ⇒ (11) + 1 = 12
Priestesses: 1d20 + 3 ⇒ (15) + 3 = 18

Order is Yridhrennor, Priestesses, Galin, Theran, Steave, Cultists, Saito, Abelard

So looks like Yridhrennor would get a flash of prescience that warns him a fight is about to erupt, whether he senses motive or not. I think he's smart enough to put two and two together. Therefore he's up. Also as he beats everyone to the punch, let's go into regular rounds.

Ladder Climb details: This ladder is a DC0 climb check and only 10 feet high. No need to roll, just count your climb movement at double cost.


Gay Male Inhuman
Steave Rojerz wrote:
"Naw, we'll just wait for the durations of your magic spells to end." Steave replies.

More laughter answered Steave.

"Plenty of time for a sacrifice, then!" the voice answered.


Gay Male Inhuman
Steave Rojerz wrote:
I don't know. I can't find the alcove on the map. So I backed him near abelard on the map

Looks like a fog of war fail on my part. Fixed now.

The chanting finishes as Steave draws away. A woman's voice calls down, "Big bad crusaders drop something? Come up to get it?"

Several voices laughed, some in the uneven tones that the crusaders heard from the mongrelfolk.


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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


Oh yeah, finished A Game of Thrones today. [Sobs]

You can't lose your head over these things.

*rimshot*


Gay Male Inhuman
Steave Rojerz wrote:

[dice= DC 20 Knowledge (planes) check]1d20+2

That was unexpected, Steave thinks. "I guess these animals can cast spells."

move back to the wall
[dice=ready to miss if something bad gets to melee]1d20+5

The wall just outside the shaft or the wall back where the crusaders came in from?


Gay Male Inhuman

Steave stepped up to the shaft, which appeared to extend about ten feet above, and lobbed his crusader's cocktail. He heard the glass shatter and oil ignite, but not screams of pain or sudden approach.

Two voices commenced chanting spells instead.

For those who can make a DC 16 Spellcraft check:
They're casting Protection from Good

For those who can make a DC 15 Knowledge (religion) check:
The distinctive styles of invocation, mostly as expressed in emphasis and pauses, suggest that the two casters are calling upon different patrons.

For those who can make a DC 20 Knowledge (religion) or (planes) check:
The voices are calling upon Baphomet and Deskari, respectively.

I always mean to do reactive checks like this and constantly forget. But here's some good intentions to pave your road into the Worldwound. :)


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thejeff wrote:
Samnell wrote:
thejeff wrote:


I found that the whole genderless SJW thing that had everyone up in arms is far less emphasized than rumour had it.
I wasn't even aware that that was a thing, though of course it stands to reason. I take criticisms like that as reason to read. :)
It was part of the whole Hugo Award/Puppies thing.

That I am in some small way spiting those people by reading this book is a pleasure and a privilege.


thejeff wrote:


I found that the whole genderless SJW thing that had everyone up in arms is far less emphasized than rumour had it.

I wasn't even aware that that was a thing, though of course it stands to reason. I take criticisms like that as reason to read. :)


Got a recommendation out of the blue for Ancillary Justice. Different board. Wasn't even talking books. Guy just PMed me because he thought I'd like the second book in the trilogy. Of course you have to read the first before that.

So far the military scifi aspect isn't utterly alienating, which is nice. Quite like the protagonist.


Bjørn Røyrvik wrote:


Re: Dresden Files.
Yes, I've heard the books get better around book 4 but I still have so much stuff I know I will like (or at least have a much greater probability of liking based on previous experience with the author) to read, as well as all those classics I haven't gotten around to that giving another shot for something from an author who didn't impress the first time around. Unfair and plenty of reasons to argue against this stance? sure, but at the end of the day there are only so many books one can read.
And very little I've heard about the books apart from that have piqued my interest.

No argument there. I've written off numerous authors for poor work. There's only so much time and patience anyone has to spend.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Speaking of...here's their interview with Eric Foner with a picture of DuBois:

Struggle and Progress

I've read an interview somewhere where Foner brags about the fact that there's a picture of him as a small child on DuBois' shoulders. I think he should email scans of it to wingnuts who rant about him being from an Old Left family.

Used to slightly know a guy about a generation younger than him, but in a similar position. (Not the famous family, but similar politically.) Grew up hearing again and again about the old fights of the Fifties. Called himself a red diaper baby, which was a bit retro even in the mid-60s. Lots of personal investment in Alger Hiss. Did some work for the ACLU now and then.


The first two Dresden Files books are just awful. I only made it through the first one because I was spoiled for the plot by the tv show. I think I hated just about everything distinctive about it. The second one felt like a step down from there and I just barely finished. But then it teased metaplot, which got me though the next one. Things improved considerably from there. Honestly, I'd advise skipping to the third, fourth, or fifth book for a better introduction to what the series feels like.


Gay Male Inhuman
Yridhrennor Arahaelon wrote:
Sorry wasd at a workshop the whole day and .. ya.. adventures ensued. I'm done

No problem.

Steave punched the cultist back into unconsciousness and the crusaders advanced into the next chamber, finding it essentially unchanged from his check earlier.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Samnell wrote:
...because I wanted to see if they carried The Jacobin. Next issue looks to have a lot of promising content.

I know, petit bourgeoisie tools of the plutocracy. :)

Finished Between the World and Me yesterday. So good.

Looking back, I picked up Ready Player One on the 31st. Since then I've downed Armada, the Newsflesh trilogy, and this. Must really be in a heavy reading mood lately. Six books, albeit one pretty short, in two weeks.

In the mood for more fiction and picked up a free sample of Hounded, first book of the Iron Druid Chronicles. Couldn't decide if it was awful, awesome, or awesomely awful. I think I'm in the mood for near-future, non-military scifi and/or urban fantasy of some kind. Got recommendations for the Divergent series, Hunger Games, Freedom & Daemon by Daniel Suarez and This is not a Game and Deep State by Walter John Williams. Unsure which, if any of those, I'm inclined toward at present.


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Gay Male Inhuman

Seems like we're done with questioning. (If not, that's cool. Just continue on. :) ) But if we are, then what's the next move? After Steave punches our friend back to the Land of Nod, that is.


Between the World and Me finally appeared. I beat the call from the bookstore because I wanted to see if they carried The Jacobin. Next issue looks to have a lot of promising content. They do not, but the lady who was working when I bought Ready Player One was there so I had the chance to tell her that I'd badly misremembered a review and Aramada was nothing like I feared.

I'm about halfway through now. It's a tiny book with a big price, but it's very good. Excerpts I read proved a good indicator of what was inside and Coates really got a lot out of the epistolary format. It feels like him talking to you. Hard to put down too. I have the distinct sense of telling someone I have to go when I do.


Gay Male Inhuman
Yridhrennor Arahaelon wrote:
I see. Does she dwell in the center of the labyrinth?

"Only the Lord of Beasts!" the cultist said, laughing a bit too loudly for comfort.


Gay Male Inhuman
Yridhrennor Arahaelon wrote:
Is she your leader?

The cultist nodded happily.


Finished the last Newsflesh book, Blackout. Really glad I stuck with it, even if the spoilers that got me to made the grand finale a bit less fun than it would otherwise have been.

Between these books and Ernest Cline, the battery life of a tablet vs. that of a dedicated e-reader has been relevant for the first time in my life.

Unsure what's next. Probably due for a book on slavery.


Gay Male Inhuman
Abelard Lassmar wrote:
Abelard sighs regretfully. "Well, he done gone and 'fessed up to bein' a cultist an' all... Don't suppose I can interest you in repentance and walkin' the path o' righteousness?" He asks the cultist.

"I walk the righteous path," the cultist said, perfectly content.

Yridhrennor Arahaelon wrote:
Before Abelard strikes, Yeidhrennoe asks the cultist who Hosilla is.

"Mistress of the Cut Thread, She Who Walks the Ways with Dripping Glaive."

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