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Fomsie wrote:
The most you would need is 10 levels of the FCB. Level 4 gets the level 5 bonus (4+1, 2 levels needed), level 8 gets the level 11 bonus (8+3, 6 levels needed), level 12 gets the level 17 bonus (12+5, 10 levels needed). Use your first 2 FCBs for extra HP.

This was what my 'napkin math' was getting at. 10 levels of FCB for a 5 level acceleration of Inspire Courage, with the first two going to whichever of the regular FCB's you wanted. I think I went with hp at level 1 and a skill point in swim at level 2 (because drowning sucks!)

Acid Resistance
Miss Chances (by spell or concealment/item)
Tower Shields for total cover
Antimagic/Dispel Magic (suppressing said bow)

Heh, that tower shield idea has me picturing Ogres in a column stacking up SWAT style on the corner of the dungeon before tossing in a thunderstone and breaching...

Which led to the thought of "Well, what if they're outdoors?" Which produced the mental image of a phalanx of ogres.

Anyway, there's all kinds of ideas for how to minimize the archers' potential to destroy an encounter from 100+ feet out.

I'm actually working on a similar character for PFS myself, so the stuff in this thread is interesting to read.

That said, I wonder if its necessary to take the Aasimar FCB at every level. My rough napkin math indicates that by the end of PFS play you end up at an effective level of 18 for Inspire Courage, one more than is needed as IC caps at 17. Further, the extra level doesn't push your IC boost in any meaningful manner, indicating you can afford to skip 2 levels of the Aasimar FCB in favor of, say, hp or skill points. Thoughts? Heresy? Common knowledge?

40mm dice, magnifying glass, glasses.

Select what your budget permits.

Dimensional Anchor or Dimensional Lock aren't terrible ways to go, if you're willing to forgo teleportation effects. The latter of those has a duration measured in days, but it's an 8th level spell so you might have issues getting a hold of it. Anchor only affects you, is 4th level, but only lasts minutes per level.

Buy another set of shackles and make sure to pump your saving throws high?

Pit of Screaming Ghosts notches another kill to the tally.

Character: Rowne, gunslinger musketeer.
Where: Pit of Screaming Ghosts (duh!)
Why: Green Slime.
After the party's new fighter (replacing the now dead Wallace. Name of Gromit, heh.) fails and acrobatics check (initiate combat with the edimmu), things start off rocky. The fighter lost a healthy chunk of Con from the slime, and to make matters worse the edimmu open up with their moans, stacking fear effects onto the poor party. The druid's wolf decides its had enough of this noise and tracks back up the stairs (only frightened) but the gunslinger in his panic dives for the dubious safety of the piles and piles of illusory treasure. The edimmu's incorporeal nature proved quite the barrier to the party, resulting in a longer combat than normal, which spelled the 'slinger's doom: without killing the generators of the panic, the condition couldn't be shaken! A few rounds later, the gunslinger and all his gear is lost to the ravages of green slime...

It's not the damage that'll kill you, it's the Con loss.

No word as to what will replace Rowne.

Another session, another death, or so it goes.

Name: Wallace, Human Barbarian of surprising intellect and Moldspeaker
Whodunit: Mighty Ghartok, Carrion King
Deeper and deeper the party plunged, into the depths of the House of the Beast. Harrowing encounters with savage gnolls and unchosen did little to dissuade them from their objective, and after exploring roughly half of the underground complex, they found the Carrion King in his throne room, attended by a sextet of gnolls, two initiates, and Thkot Tal. The lesser gnolls were quickly dispatched while Ghartok and Thkot Tal waited in the wings, the former enjoying the conflict and the latter less willing to abandon its pit. Finally combat with the gnoll king was joined as the barbarian strayed to within mighty Ghartok's threat range. A quick series of exchanged blows later, and the barbarian was laid low. Despite his death, the party managed to pull through, finishing off both master and serpent in a matter of rounds thereafter.

Close fight! I intentionally threw both CR8's against the lvl 6 party as I wanted to see what they could accomplish. The last time I ran the adventure the party went against each threat separately, with similar results; one party member dead, the rest surviving. This was a deadly combat, that easily threatened a TPK. This marks the second time the moldspeaker has died in book 2, the first time our moldspeaker sorcerer died in the Pit of Screaming Ghosts not more than two rooms after Ghartok. It's uncanny.

No word as of yet as to what will replace Wallace.

Party at start of today's session:
Hank (the tank), Aasimar Cleric
Wallace, Human Barbarian
Yscar, some species of Druid (Wolf Totem)
Wolfie mk. II Animal Companion and Tasty Meat Snack (Deceased)
Krackenbuckle, Gnomish Sorcerer (Deceased)
Arc, Tiefling Rogue (Deceased)

Rowne, Gunslinger of some species
Xeleoniel, Elven Necromancer (Wizard)
Wolfie mk. III (Animal Companion and potential Lunch on the Lurch)

Newly deceased:
Xeleoniel, Elven Necromancer (Wizard)

Xel will apparently be replaced by a Ninja after an unfortunate incident involving a pack of wyverns, a cliff edge, and a failed poison Fort save. He and his undead monstrosities shall (not) be missed...

For those playing the home game: yes, that character did not last an entire session (intro'd five minutes in, died five minutes before we ended.) Some nasty critters in them mountains... (random encounter dice were not kind, generating 6xCR5, 4xCR6, and 1xCR8 all in one day.) Puts this campaign up to 3 PC deaths and 2 Animal Companion deaths at the start of Book 2.

It turned out that Krackenbuckle was replaced by a (wizard) elven necromancer named Xeleoniel. As none of us were able to pronounce his name satisfactorily, he was referred to as Xel ("zel") or X depending on the addressing party. This proved to be a short lived irritation, as the elf was equally short lived.

Name: Xele... Xelele... X anyway.
Whodunit: Random Encounter Wyverns!
Trekking onward toward the halls of the Carrion King, the intrepid adventuring party met stiff resistance from the countryside. A pride of six (!) Dire Lions, hungry for horsemeat, leapt upon the party and, after a close fought battle, perished. The necromancer, not being one to waste fresh corpses, raised one of the beasts to serve as a replacement mount and meatshield, as the horses ran off at the start of the battle. Later, a behir was summarily defeated as well, and just as the party was beginning to look for a likely campground (on the other side of a windswept land bridge crossing a ravine through which a river ran) four wyverns flitted up from the ravine to attack! Slowly ground was gained at the point of the barbarian's sword and the claws and teeth of the skeletal lion, but not fast enough to prevent one of the wyverns from grappling and tearing the wizard to pieces. Despite the horrible wounds inflicted by claws, teeth, wings, and tail, twas foul poison that at long last laid the elf low, his body tumbling into the river below never to be seen again...

Rumor has it the necromancer will be replaced by a ninja.
The party is now level 6, flying through level 5 in a flurry of random encounters. Surprisingly, 6 CR 5's, 4 CR 6's, and a CR 8 is enough to push the party from barely into lv 5 straight up to lv 6. Who knew?

Kthulhu wrote:
lastknightleft wrote:
shatter at low levels, nothing is more satisfying than the fighters sword going bye bye

Just out of morbid curiosity...does your fighter player whinge endlessly about how you are unfairly targeting him, and that his equipment should have plot immunity, and that you're a horrible GM, and....


Well... in LoF the pugwampi have it as an SLA 1/day and you fight a LOT of pugwampi in the AP. I think this last time I broke the barbarian's sword twice and his armor once. They started having to borrow weapons and armor from the camp's mercenaries to keep fighting, which made things tricky when the barb discovered the mercs only had leather armor (desert environs) which was significantly worse than his chain.

While he hasn't started whining about unfairly targeting him and whatnot, he was suitably aggrieved with the pugwampi, such that he violated alignment to torture one they captured (fell from good to neutral for it. Would've fallen further but he kept the torture short.)

We'll see how annoyed they get when I start busting equipment later on. Firebleeder bleeds fire!

Helaman wrote:

I ask the player to rip up the character sheet, then I march the player to the backyard and ask them to dig their own grave before finishing them with a single gunshot wound.

We play for keeps at my table!

You'd have better reliability if you Mozambique'd your player instead of relying on a single shot. You should also consider rendering the body to ash to prevent them rising as a zombie, skeleton, or revenant in the future... you can never be too sure your property isn't centered over an ancient indian burial ground or secret bio-weapons lab or near a radioactive ancient meteor or what have you... I'm just saying, if horror movies have taught us anything, it's that proper burial detail is critical to staving off the undead.

Why DO gm's make their players destroy the character sheet after death? Is it just adding insult to the injury of the lost PC? Are they trying to make sure the player can't sneak the character into another game? Are dead character sheets some kind of threat to be dealt with?

Early game: kill them harder next time. The wealth boost isn't really enough to make a difference in the long run and if the pc's start piling the bodies high to amass more wealth... there's always thieves and other forms of scum to lower wealth.

Late game: reincarnation/resurrection makes this a non-issue. It just creates a death tax. In fact, enough death in the late game actually eats up the early game boost in economy gained by cycling characters.

Totally don't mind PC's looting the bodies of dead PC's.

Waffle_Neutral wrote:
Ryzoken wrote:

tl;dr: I counter-countered Murderous Command (cast as a counter to Charm Monster) with Hypnotic Pattern.
Sounds like a fun game, but doesn't the fascinated condition end when there are obvious threats about, such as bare weapons, clerics stomping on druids, spells being cast, and his demon and non-demon buddies fighting each other?

Sort of... Hypnotic Pattern was called out in the critter's statblock as its initial hostile action pattern. I adjudicated (in the spirit of not nerfing the SLA and spell into the ground) that it took overt hostile action against the fascinated creature to break the fascination, and potentially hostile action against the fascinated creature such as advancing enemies to give a new save. This allowed the creature (or the players!) to make use of its abilities as the stat block called for.

So if the creature attacked the fascinated target, fascination would break. If the creature cast a spell or spell like while the target was fascinated, the fascination would break. If the creature advanced on the fascinated target, the fascination could be saved against again. Attacking friendlies of the fascinated target did not inherently break fascination. Friendlies waving weapons around didn't necessarily break fascination, unless those friendlies started waving weapons AT the fascinated creature.

I THINK there's enough leeway in the effect's description to allow for my interpretation for allowed actions that wouldn't break fascination. The party was pretty good about breaking the fascination within a round anyway (except in the case of the animal companion, who got to sit and stare at pretty colors for three rounds. Had the demon swung on the druid in those three rounds, I'd have broken the fascinate, close bond between animal companion and master after all, but the demon was busy whaling on the cleric and barbarian, which the wolf probably didn't give a dropping about.) In fact, the barbarian never spent more than a round fascinated.

My interpretation was a bit charitable toward the Hypnotic Pattern, but without that interpretation the spell is virtually pointless. Bad guy casts Hypnotic Pattern. Good guy fails will save. Hypnotic Pattern breaks (or at least is saved against again) because bad guy is within sight range. ...

Just ran a heck of a fight this Saturday past wherein a group of intrepid adventurers encountered a unique advanced glomeray camping some very entertaining spell like abilities...

AoE confusion aura was highly entertaining, particularly when the druid's animal companion tripped the druid right before the cleric nearly killed him (both rolled attack nearest and the druid stood right between the two. Cue wolf-cleric fist/paw bump.)

But what really got to be fun was what happened with the barbarian.
Initial round of combat: fascinated by Hypnotic Pattern.
Later round of combat: tired of taking 20 point hits from the barb, the glomeray drops a Charm Monster into him. Instant Barbarian Buddy!
Next round: glomeray seeks to leave, and convinces his new friend to hop on its back so it can fly them both out of there. It delays. The barbarian is standing beside the glomeray, just waiting for his turn to mount up, when the cleric goes and drops a murderous command on the barbarian! Glomeray makes its Spellcraft, decides that just won't do, and drops a defensive cast Hypnotic Pattern again, fascinating the barbarian, before moving away.

So we have a charmed barbarian with a murderous command in a Hypnotic holding Pattern. Cue the gnomish sorcerer's turn, who decides using his standard action to awaken the barbarian would be a wise course of action... until he's reminded that he'd be the nearest (only) friendly target next to the barbarian, who's still Murderous Commanded.

They wisely opted to let the barbarian stay fascinated for a turn, though the gnome did end up biting the big one anyway (Chasing an advanced demon is a bad idea. Engaging in melee with said demon is just suicidal.)

tl;dr: I counter-countered Murderous Command (cast as a counter to Charm Monster) with Hypnotic Pattern.

New group, new campaign, new heroes (and corpses!)

We started with:
Krackenbuckle, Gnomish Sorcerer (Fey Bloodline)
Hank (the tank), Aasimar Cleric
Wallace, Human Barbarian
Yscar, some species of Druid (Wolf Totem)
Wolfie (Animal Companion and Tasty Meat Snack)

Arc, Tiefling Rogue

And just lost (see the obits thread):
Wolfie (Animal Companion and Tasty Meat Snack)
Wolfie mk. II (Animal Companion and possible Tasty Meat Snack)

We'll see what joins us this week when we play Saturday. One player mentioned wanting a gunslinger, the other mentioned he'd be playing something evil, possibly an Antipaladin (it's one of those groups... the barbarian was the only good aligned party member... until he tortured a pugwampi to a slow, slow death and desecrated the remains)

A new group brings a new campaign and with that, new PC (and companion) deaths!

Name: Arc (Tiefling Rogue)
Whodunit: Kardswann
Having run the gambit and killed the vast majority of everything living in the village of Kelmarane, the intrepid adventurers entered the Battle Market and, after a frenzy of more combat, confronted Kardswann and Ugruk in a 10' hallway on the third floor. Arc tumbled past the enemies into a flanking position, which Kardswann did NOT like. Cue two greataxe swings, one of which critically connected. 60 damage later, dead rogue.

Name: Wolfie, Druid Animal Companion
Whodunit: Kardswann
After dispatching the rogue and heavily wounding the barbarian (now unconscious), Wolfie courageously stepped between Kardswann and his master. Bad move. Cue greataxe to the face, resulting in Wolfie-ka-bobs.

Name: Wolfie mk II, Druid Animal Companion replacement
Whodunit: Xulthos
After the death of Wolfie, the druid summarily summoned a new wolf, who had two days of walking to get to Kelmarane from the nearby Mwangi Expanse. Wolfie mk II served loyally in his first few battles, but the maddening influence of Xulthos's wings caused the wolf to bite his master. It would be his first and last act of betrayal, as Xulthos casually slew the wolf the next round to open a path to the party sorcerer.

Name: Krakenbuckle (Gnome Sorcerer)
Whodunit: Xulthos
Careful maneuvering brought Krakenbuckle out of Xulthos's immediate line of attack, but an avenue of escape was made available to the great beast. Krakenbuckle charged after the demon, hoping to delay it long enough for his comrades to finally bring it down (he was short of spells by this point), but got too close to the demon in the process (hazards of a touch range supernatural ability.) Xulthos turned to the little gnome, whiffed on half of his first full attack, but next round opted to kill the gnome instead of escape, "This has become a matter of pride..." It proved a miscalculation, as the cleric was able to shake off the confusion aura long enough to deliver a greatsword strike that cleaved the last hp from the great beast.

So our druid will be calling a THIRD wolf from the Mwangi wolf pack (which is rapidly shrinking, due to attrition), and two players will be making new characters to rejoin the campaign with. Arc will be replaced by a gunslinger of some stripe, and we're unsure, as yet, what will be replacing Master Krackenbuckle, gnomish sorcerer of doom.

Pax Veritas wrote:
Kolokotroni wrote:

I think this is a case of higher level encounters taking longer and thus you not getting through as many in a single session. Because the reality is it remains the same.

A CR 1 encounter will give a single pc in a party of 4 5% of the xp needed to get to level 2. A CR 5 encounter will also give a level 5 pc 5% of the xp to get to level 6. A CR 10 encounter will give a level 10 PC 4.8% of the xp needed to get to level 11 and a CR 15 encounter gives a level 15 pc 5% of the xp to get to level 16.

The math stays consistent throughout the 1-20 scale, so either you are letting the large numbers skew your impressions or you just arent getting through as many encounters because higher level play test to take longer.

Makes sense. Things might be slowing down then.

Since your math is very detailed... let me inquire... is there an estimated of at-level encounters one would expect between levels that stays true throughout the leveling system?

Back in 3.5 there was a magic 13.33 number or something that when played-out, resulted in leveling. Do you remember it? Does it still apply? I'm a bit math-challenged. Thx.

Well... you've been given percentages given per encounter @ CR for various levels. Logically, if a fight gives 5% of the xp needed to level, 20 such fights would give 100% of the xp needed to level (20 x 5 = 100). 20 fights is a lot, though, so tossing in various other xp awards equivalent to a CR X encounter should help to alleviate the hack and or slash gaming.

You can derive the values you need by referencing the xp charts at the front of the core rules for how much xp is needed and the chart in the back of the Bestiary to determine how much xp is granted per encounter by CR.

Needed xp (Core Rules) / xp per encounter (Bestiary) = # encounters needed at that CR to level.

Helaman wrote:

NV has it nailed.

You'll need to spend your own arcane pool to give your blade keen etc.

In a mid-low to low magic campaign Bladebound is Da Bomb! In Average campaigns everyone has at least a +1 weapon by 5th level so its so so.

In standard campaigns it's still "Da Bomb!" as you then don't have to pay to upgrade your primary weapon, an expenditure that swiftly becomes expensive due to the exponential formula used to determine weapon cost. Thousands and thousands of gold available for use on armor, scrolls, wonderous items, etc. well worth a single Magus Arcana and a few Arcane Pool points (which are easily recouped through feats)

Similar concept but tactical scale instead of strategic:

Spell Combat (spell = Dimension Door)
Dimensional Agility
Dimensional Assault
Dimensional Dervish

Thanks to our 90 foot fly speed (can be higher, this is just top of the head stuff; Fly grants 60 and Haste improves to 90) and our feat selections, our plucky Magus teleports in from upwards of 160 or so feet out, drops a full attack action of 4 swings, then pops out again. If we included Dimensional Savant, he could even flank with himself on half of those attacks.

Yeah, UC added some neat tricks for a Magus... just a few.

TriOmegaZero wrote:

I'll just leave this here.

You should really do your research before you make rules claims.

Blerg. My bad. They (Overhand Chop anyway) used to be feats, it didn't occur to me they'd bring them back as archetype abilities.

...and this messageboard doesn't support editing past a short amount of time. Wonderful. All right, there ya go. I fail.

Apologies for the guy I went off on, etc.

Maddigan wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Maddigan wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

-snip inaccurate claim-

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How are you getting 180 points of damage on one attack without a crit?

That's a good question...

Not all fighters can do what the king of damage can do. It's a two-hander archetype fighter with Devastating Blow. So it is a crit.

It adds up like this:

+20 (31 strength and double strength bonus for single attack Overhand Chop)
+20 Power attack

He uses Devastating Blow.

Hey look! Non Pathfinder rules! No wonder the system is broken! It's so easy to build a broken fighter when we just toss out the rules!

Power Attack caps at -5 to hit for +15 damage (if using a 2hander), Overhand Chop and Devastating Blow were removed for the Core Rules release... for good reason, obviously.

"real" fighters don't do nearly as much damage, based on my experiences, without a good deal of set up. This typically involves using Deadly Stroke, which can bump damage up to a good 100+ damage hit, but nowhere near 180.

I'll just leave that there...

45ur4 wrote:
The Planar Shepherd prestige class of Eberron gives a Druid the ability to wildshape into outsiders and magical beasts with templates of his chosen planes.

It does so many better things than that.

Like letting your entire party take 10 rounds to every 1 round your opponent takes, as long as they're close enough to you. Yeah... that PrC is... a little borked.

The very first thing I begin looking for in any game that I ever play in is a ring of sustenance. Food and Water are simply too much of a PITA to keep track of, without the biological imperatives behind their necessity. My lv 1 characters have 10 days rations as standard, and I pray that I find a ring in those 10 days of adventure.

If playing with the 3.5 Magic Item Compendium, I swap the ring for Everlasting Rations.

Or I play a Cleric and get to lv 5 ASAP.

HATE tracking food and water...

Doskious Steele wrote:
I agree that a Wizard (or whatever) with a single level of Rogue and full ranks in Perception and Disable Device makes for a character who can deal with traps of all sorts almost as well or better than a Rogue can, with lots of other non-rogue class mechanics layered on top. That's a very different proposition than doing everything a Rogue does better than a Rogue can, though.

Outside an Antimagic Field?

Diplo/Bluff/Sense Motive: Charm/Dominate Person/divination spells
Disguise: Alter Self
Stealth: Invisibility, Silence
Sleight of Hand: ya got me there. Unless I were to just strongarm the poor mook and take his stuff when he's unconscious or dead.

Really, rogues suck. The better thief is the better mage.

Antimagic Fields not withstanding...

Doskious Steele wrote:
And yet, I did not restrict my enquiry to the field of disabling traps - how well does the Wizard Bluff, Diplomacize, Escape Artist, Sleight of Hand, Intimidate, Stealth, or Disguise in an Antimagic field? How well does the Wizard fight? The rogue still has a chance at dealing sneak attack damage. What of the wizard? Support the entire claim, please, before dismissing my doubt so capriciously...

This just in: it sucks to be a magic focused class in an antimagic field.

Next up: Rogues against Heavy Fortification, and the sky is blue.
Real news at eleven.

Stynkk wrote:

**You can actually move much farther, but that would involve the Run Action (which is a full round action, and you can't stealth)

Play an elf with the Swift Hunter trait.

Stealth run at -20.

meabolex wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot about the Charisma monk.

This has been mentioned a few times and quick Google search got me nowhere. What is this? Is there a class archetype or feature somewhere or something? A feat?

Spell is fine. Consider the following ways to defeat it:

Monsters immune to Mind Affecting
Spell Turning (lol! Enjoy losing a turn!)
Antimagic Field
Be outside its short range
Globe of Invulnerability
Spell Immunity
Ring of Counterspells

Or, throw more than one monster at the party. Really, you should be doing that anyway, and BBEG's or elite single monsters easily should be able to afford the above protections. What's more, if your party didn't protect against scrying, it's easily foreseeable that your BBEG will know they use the spell!

Extra Arcane Pool. I plan on never needing to use that arcana siphoning ability. I, for one, like unbreakable, unsunderable swords of doom!

And I only need take the feat three times to get back to 1/2 magus lvl + int in arcane pool points (once every 6 levels or so.) How many bonus feats does a Magus get? 3? Awesome! (the thought here being: we take Extra Arcane Pool as our regular feats and use the bonus feats to pick up legal options we would've taken anyway, but that our EAP feats took the slots of) They're even spaced almost accurately.

Not sure about the initial question. Tricksy rules are tricksy and all that.

Endoralis wrote:

Pally 2/ Sorc(cross-blooded) 1/ fighter 1/Caviler1/ Ranger 1/ Wiz 1/ Bard 1/ Ninja 2/Summoner (synthesist) 1/ Cleric 1/ Monk1/ DD4/ HV3

Its awesome when you can make a character like this viable due to the sheer amount of resources you would have even in a low magic game. BTW this char is awesome at melee

At BAB whatnow? I had it computed out to almost 10 or so, but lost track when I couldn't figure out what HV meant. Hidden Valley (ranch)? Horizon Valker? Heirovant?

I doubt the efficacy of this build when discussing melee combat. Maybe I just need to see it in action...

Name Violation wrote:
Ryzoken wrote:
Beardshield McMagus would make me weep.

What if its a dwarf?

Stupid? Yeah. Awesome? Potentially

Possibly excusable if a dwarf. It'd hurt, but it might be excusable. There was that Silverbeard spell back in 3.5...

But Magus Longlockshield the Elven magus (who doubtless wields the shield in their long hair)? No. Just, no.

Similarly: Shieldbeard MacMagus the Ulfen (human) Magus? Equally doubtful.

In fact, a dwarven magus may be the only magus able to get away with that...

Here's the thing: your questions on how to become a better GM are good, and important, and certainly, warranted. However: you're really asking the wrong people.

We aren't players in your game. We're just random blobs of 1's and 0's on the internet. Ask your players what game they're looking to play. Let them tell you what's working for them and what isn't. Ask them after every game session, "What was good? What was bad? What can I do different?" Developing a good dialogue with your players about your game style will give you more pertinent and accurate information than we can give you.

Death Effects in general prevent anything short of (True) Resurrection. So no Raise Dead, Reincarnate, etc.

I'm toying with injecting my games with an incredibly rare metal that has a soul destroying property. I envision it being on par with minor artifacts in rarity, only a select few weapons exist made of the stuff, and only legends remain of where the material was discovered/created. I'd probably seed its introduction with rumors about a "man with a blade that kills completely" or some such thing, expand it over a little time with talk about how it prevents resurrection magics, then spring it upon the party at a random spot in the campaign. Maybe as a +1 or +2 dagger or short sword.

Erm... how exactly did you obtain Str 19 as a 1st level DWARVEN monk? Was that intended to be Str 18?

Phasics wrote:
Also occured to me Blackblade is a finanical win becuase you've gain what ends up a +5 magic item for free, saving your money for other things , pretty good deal really.

Aside from the immense flavor of having a mysterious sword that may or may not be using you for its own potentially nefarious or beneficent ends in a surreptitious manner, the free +5 sword (a somewhat difficult to find object normally) is a major draw, I must admit.

It's a very cool archetype, that oozes flavor and is mechanically strong, but not overpowered, provided one applies the no enchanting interpretation.

I'm going to continue to ignore the prehensile hair thing. It irks me, even if it would allow a magus to go sword and board and still cast. Beardshield McMagus would make me weep.

I'm just ruling them Artifacts and moving on. They're supposed to be nigh indestructible, inscrutable weapons of great power... why they weren't called artifacts in the first place, I'll never know. Maybe to offset whining about "why (do) Magi get a bloody artifact as a class feature?!"

And before it gets brought up: yes, I'm aware of the repercussions such a ruling would have with regard to specific spells. Such repercussions fall in line with my opinion of how the blades should be treated.

Ryzoken does like his swords, that he does...

Karma Police wrote:

1. So what spells do you get away with not preparing and just rely on a scroll or wand?
2. I know it depends on what's next that day, but why would one prepare mage armor over having a wand of it?

Enumerated for ease of response.

1: Anything utility that fits should go in a wand or potion depending on cost efficiency. Knock, levitate, gaseous form, mage armor, etc.

2: Cost/Availability. Remember that for a wand of MA to last you all day, it's going to have to be CL8 or so, or you're going to have to burn multiple charges per day. Remember that it only has 50 charges and it costs a minimum of 750 gp a wand (more if it's higher caster level.) It may be unfeasible to maintain this for an extended duration. Also, if you're incapable of crafting said wand, you may run into availability concerns, as not all GM's endorse the magic mart idea.

Some omissions from your spell list I don't think were touched on:
Solid Fog (4th level), Calcific Touch (also 4th level, use with Reach Spell on Dragons predominantly. Much faster to hit their dex than burn through their hp.), Hideous Laughter (2nd lvl) can take low Will enemies out of the fight entirely, Hydraulic Push (1st lvl, APG) is nice for anytime you might have wanted to bullrush a badguy into your Walls or tentacles.

Plus the aforementioned Black Tentacles, Enervation, etc.

Jadeite wrote:

Summons might work, depending on how the selected target word works. If I remember from the playtest, though, the full round action would be granted to the summon.

Buffing works too, but the spellcaster would still lose his next round.
Using it to grant your party extra actions, on the other hand, would be rather powerful, most enemies will have a hard time surviving ten full-round actions of a whole party.

10 full round actions of a whole buffed party. Cheese on par with the Planar Shepard of 3.5...

RE: buffing and the lost round: use your last full round action to cast or activate a Time Stop. Lose your next turn in the timestop, re-enter normal time ready to smash face; a veritable spell powered deific force of death, doom, and some other alliterative word. Despair? Destruction? Pick one.

meabolex wrote:
Ryzoken wrote:
nothing, as your GM notes your ultracombo and applies brooch of shielding or shield spells to his monsters from then on. ::sadface::
(Greater) Dispel Magic?

I keep forgetting they removed the caster level cap from those spells... makes them infinitely better.

Hmm... Spell Turning might also make your life painful.
Round 1: big scary ultra missiles! Reflected. Ooohhhh....

Make sure you drop AREA dispels and not TARGETED dispels kids...

ShadowcatX wrote:
Any gm doing this isn't worth playing with. Once in a while? Sure, stuff happens and that's the danger of a one trick pony. (Of course, there is always dispel magic.) More than once in a while? Find a new gm who isn't just out to screw the players over.

One could say the same of players that are desperate to develop ultra combos with which they use to eliminate all form of challenge from the game... Funny that...

Jadeite wrote:
Also, a sorcerer or wizard could use the word to grant the whole party a full round action as a 7th level word or higher when he also buffs the party with other words.

So, depending on his mood, our mighty Sorcerer could either:

give the entire party a full round action (including himself, I'd imagine),

or use this word in conjunction with every other buff word he knows of 4th or less for his 6th level slots,

or he could just use it alongside, say, Servitor, to summon as many critters as he likes on turn one (again using his 6th level slots.)

EDIT: Hmm... 9th level slots break down into (8th level servitor)+(Borrow Time), 8th break down into (7th level servitor)+(Borrow Time), 7th into (6th lvl servitor)+(Borrow Time), and 6th into (4th level servitor)+(Borrow Time). Round 1: 24+ Elementals of varying sizes. Go!

Phasics wrote:

But no +5 (with another +5 enchanting) then further +5 enchants arcane pool. eh I can live with it

I never said that. As it stands, there does not appear to be a rule prohibiting adding enchants to the Black Blade.

That said, I will houserule (and recommend others do the same) that the Black Blade may not, in fact, be enchanted. Alternately, it may be enchanted, but it has a maximum enchantment value of +10. Once you hit +10 worth of abilities+Enhancement, you're done! (note, that also would prevent a magus from using his arcane pool on his Black Blade.)

I'm pretty sure the intent, though, it to let its enhancement creep upward and apply special abilities on the fly as you feel the need. Used in this manner, the Black Blade compliments the Magus class's rules instead of creating a debate-ably overpowered weapon of doom.

Phasics wrote:

Another simple Q, can you enchant a black blade or more importantly can you upgrade a black blade with enchantments. Or can a blackblade have enchantments on it when you first receive it

the archetype doesn't seem to specify. Obviously it makes a difference if a blackblade will end up as a +5 weapon or forever a masterwork sword with some abilities you can activate

... y'know it's magical enhancement bonus increases as the magus gains levels, yes? And that it starts out as a +1 weapon, not simply masterwork? Table 1-3? Column two?

As for magical abilities (ie. Shock or Frost), you could use your arcane pool to drop any needed abilities onto your black blade...

6 is my hard cap. We had 8 players in an epic level game, which hobbled along alright, but the sheer number of players took getting used to by me and ultimately I found myself very sidelined depending on where I sat.

I found 6 is an acceptable value, but requires some forethought by the party in character creation. Unless the party healer is very Channel focused, AoE heals don't come til late game resulting in a good chunk of their spells being chewed through for healing. As a result, when we play with 6 players, I routinely recommend there be two party members capable of healing, at least at first and second level. Beyond level 2, the party can start dumping some money into potions of CLW, and beyond level 4 or so can start grabbing wands of CLW to mitigate healing demand.

I also have a minimum limit of 3 players. Any less and I have to start monkeying with encounter values, plus there often just isn't sufficient critical mass to generate good RP with only 2 players... or so I've found. Consequently, the 3 player minimum also lets me know when I should call a game due to attendance issues. If only two of my guys are able to show up for a game, that indicates the game should be rescheduled. When I'm at 6 players, I'll still run with only 3 players, but I'll ask those present before we begin.

@Wellard: you had a 12 person game?! Why not just bust into two groups at that point? Run them simo, within close proximity, and you can even have each group affect the other's game, depending on wanderings...

Trei Shouri wrote:
The rules of the campaign stipulate that I can't go into a full caster class until 3rd level




Uh... don't build a full caster?
I mean, you could... but honestly, getting kneecapped like that before you even begin... blows hardcore. Maybe give a Magus, Summoner, or Full on Alchemist a try? The latter is exceptionally fun, I can attest, and the former is promising.

So you're -2 to penetrate SR (making the Spell Penetration feats bloody mandatory), an entire level of spells behind, you lose 4 developed spells on a wizard but lose a crapton off a sorcerer, have less spells per day than normal, and generally can't do what you really want to do for two whole levels. What's worse, you're better at doing SOMETHING ELSE for 3 levels, begging the question: why the hell would you stop doing what you were doing to become a mage after two levels?

Is... is this normal for your group? Is there some rationale behind this or is it just a hackneyed attempt at reigning in the power of full casters?

Wow. Just, just wow.

meabolex wrote:

From a related thread:

Toppling Spell is probably over the top with magic missile.

Using the Magical Lineage trait and Spell Perfection, you can have a Toppling Dazing Piercing Quickened magic missile + Toppling Dazing Piercing Heightened (+4) magic missile. Those use 5th level spell slots. . .

Each magic missile hit causes a save for dazing and a trip attempt -- and the SR check adds Caster Level + 13 (assuming Spell Penetration + Greater Spell Penetration)

Blaster Battlefield Control? (:

5 Feats, 1 trait, and a spell known in exchange for:

nothing, as your GM notes your ultracombo and applies brooch of shielding or shield spells to his monsters from then on. ::sadface::

Jadeite wrote:
-snip Worse News.-

Wha? *blink blink* *reads the passages again* Oh. Oh! Okay then.

My opinion of the Words of Magic subsystem has just hit an all time low.

That much flexibility with comparable potency to standard spells? This never struck anyone as potentially unbalancing?

*looks at thread title*


They exist. And need to be sundered.

*wanders off*

Are wrote:

Personally, I tend to stick to the written rules, for a variety of reasons. I resent the insinuation that because I do that I'm likely to be a poor storyteller.

+1. I'd + a few more million if I could.

Written rules were written for a reason. Without a serious reason why the RAW needs to change, I don't even consider a houserule.

I have little trouble generating a solid narrative.

Simulacrums for Alchemists!
Cognitogens (for Alchemists)!
New Alchemist Discoveries in general!
Create Demiplane!
Bladebound Magus!
New spells I haven't fully sifted through!

Quingong Monk is interesting, but doesn't fit into my current Zen Archer build. I can see myself trying to duplicate a mid-caster with my ki pool, which I am sure will not work and will not end well.

This book is starting to feel like the Quintessential Alchemist's splat with some extra stuff tacked on. Y'know, the +1 to the APG like the APG was the +1 to the Core book? Which now that I think about it makes a whole heck of a lot of sense...

Shadow_of_death wrote:
You can't ranged flurry if you moved


However, you can move the hell away, then during your next turn, flurry. Like I initially posted above.

Matthew Trent wrote:

As to the speed bonus not synthesizing with flurry. I disagree. You can often use the speed bonuses to get in the correct position to flurry next round and still have a standard action left to start a grapple or trip your opponent or whatever your preferred combat maneuver is.

Or, in the case of a Zen Archer, you can use your crazy monk speed to GTFO before opening up with a ranged attack flurry next round. Once you're clear of their charge range, you can easily pace most critters and paste them with arrows till they drop. This is especially true at later levels where the speed disparity becomes more and more blatant.

Mob kiting, now for monks!

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