Gwen Smith wrote:Acedio wrote:Haha you can take someone's grappled condition?
That's an interesting question. There are multiple ways for characters to get the ability to grapple without gaining the "grappled" condition and its associated penalties, so I would say this is probably valid.
However, it would not change the fact that you are still held by the grappler who can still maintain the grapple and move you, do damage, pin you, etc. It would just mean that you don't take the penalties (-4 to Dex, -2 to attack, can't move, can't make AoOs, can't cast without concentration check, can't use two hands, etc.). Note that this is a really bad deal for the cleric, because for next X rounds, he has made himself really, really vulnerable and can't cast spells effectively.
There are more useful ways to free someone from being grappled.
Still held by the grappler, sure.Maintain a grapple? No, since you no longer have the grappled condition and are, indeed, immune to it.
Move the not grappled but held target to a pin? I don't think so, since you have to have your target grappled before you can pin them.
Move you? No, because you can only do that to a grappled target, and you aren't grappled.
Damage you? Can't maintain agrapple and do damage as part of a maintain, if you aren't being grappled.
Now, the silly part is, can the grappler maintain his grapple, and do any of the maintain stuff to the cleric who has the condition? And how do you determine what the DC is for that?
Would he have to let go of the now-immune former grapplee, which would, presumably, also end the effect on the Cleric, and move to the Cleric to start a new grapple?
I think the ability is not well written, and needs serious errata before someone suffers a head injury form trying to figure out these corner cases...
Just going to hop back in for a second. The grappled condition is not a perquisite for grappling, rather it's a consequence of it. There are abilities in pathfinder (white haired witch's hair) that allow you to grapple creatures without gaining the grappling condition yourself. If this ability did let you take the grappled condition it would merely allow them to grapple without those downsides.