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Ok thanks for the input guys. Not quite what I was hoping for, but better then I thought I'd get. I'll figure out what I'm doing with it....


That makes sense, and I agree it should be a sort of case-by-case. But the problem is that the DM is new, very unfamiliar with the rules, and is also very loose with them. Enough to keep the game structured, but not enough of a rules monger that it becomes difficult.

The main purpose of the game is for everyone to have fun and enjoy ourselves. That being said, it would become difficult for everyone to enjoy themselves if their character has been rendered moot by something like that.

The game has already started. It was started at lvl 5, and we're currently lvl 9. We've got a monk, a sorc, a rogue, and an oracle. We've also got a drop in/out summoner for the group. There's alt. class features from the advanced book, and similar stuff. What I was talking to with the DM, would be potentially the half-celestial template on the oracle (who is actually a 2nd character being played by myself for sake of party survivability).

It would be partially background fluff, and story progression. The way it would come about would probably be through the cohort, as it is a viable conduit for this stuff...however I'm getting side tracked.

Is there anything anyone can offer for solid word on what to do here? I really don't want a party unbalancing, and me and the DM aren't quite experienced enough to make a proper call on this ourselves. So anything solid I can get would REALLY be appreciated.


I noticed a small typo at the start. The satyr is listed as lvl 7, not lvl 3...sorry about that. And I agree, the cohort chart should probably just be ignored since it makes little sense as far as I'm concerned... which is one of the things I'm hoping to get help with I suppose...


Hey, first time posting on the board here. I didn't see this through a quick glance, but I did notice some confusion on similar topics with the bestiary.

What I'm looking for, is clarification on how this stuff works. I don't really understand how applying a template to a pc or their cohort would work. As far the as the bestiary details the templates will raise the CR of whatever gets the template. But I'm not sure how to calculate a PC's CR. I'm also unsure as to how that would affect things like their level and similar things.

The same goes to cohorts. Heck part of the cohorts thing is what's making it more confusing. The bestiary has a section listed as "monsters as cohorts" where it lists a few monsters. A hound archon has a cr 4, and is listed as the equivalent of a lvl 7 cohort. The hell hound is also listed as a lvl 7, but has a cr of 3. The satyr is a 3rd monsters listed as lvl 3 equivalent but with a cr of 4 again. It's rather confusing at times...

But I'm getting somewhat side tracked. The key points that I'm looking for is.

a) How do you apply a template to a PC.
b) How do you calculate the difference in strength so that you can balance the party after.
c) Are these same rules applicable to a cohort.
d) Should templates really be used on the pc at all.