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Never heard about Dodging Panache and Swordmaster's Flair: Blue Scarf before. Will look them up. Thanks for the update on Amateur Swashbuckler no longer allows Opportune Parry and Riposte.
Sounds like a bastard sword and similar single/double handed weapons mught be better forthe crane wing option if I go that route. Is there concensus that swithing grips on other peoples turns is allowed? Even as I free action, I would raise an eyebrow and be unsure of that when I judge. I know talking on anithers turn is allowed.
Thank you pulseoptional. I feel foolish for having failed to go check Path of War's feats. I actually own the PDF, but without any expectation of being able to play it with any of my recent GMs, I never felt much of a need to review the material. I shiuld still get around to it, I do GM myself, so I could use that book for NPCs.
I forgot to mention earlier that I plan to focus on Devoted spirit maneuvers. I am tempted to take some white raven because this will likely be the only crusader I ever play. The chance of playing a warblade in the future become slimmer and slimmer as the years role on, so this might be the last time I ever get a chance ti play with White Raven maneuvers. I prefer stone dragon but I already had fun with it with a prior character.
I still have time to be advised and influenced before my next campaign, Wrath of the Righteous begins this weekend.
GM already approved a Crusader from the Book of Nine Swords, a product from 3.5 D&D. He told other players he was going to leave behind 3.5 stuff, but he felt I did a good job not getting crazy playing a Sword Sage from the same book in out last campaign, so he gave me a thumbs up for the Crusader. Maybe because he already told me I could play one before deciding to otherwise leave 3.5 behind. I suspect other 3.5 material will be unlikely.
We all begin at "5th" level with 2 negative levels we cannot get rid of before playing. Standard wealth by level for 5th level. We have a 20 point buy. I am still flexible on the exact stats and will likely decide their final numbers, only after determining if I decide to primarily fight With a two handed weapon or one handed weapon. I am highly opposed to to a high dexterity build though. I plan on a 12 dex in full plate or 13 for dodge.
I was thinking about what feats to take and felt some of them, while staples from my past, are a little boring, most just adding a +1 to die rolls. I also don't recall the name of one I recently heard about that interests me. It was printed in one of the soft cover books within the last few years, it allows use of a buckler with 2 handed weapons. So I am asking for advice on what feats to take. Below are the feats I already had in mind, I am still flexible on them.
From Bo9S: vital recovery(worried it might not work with high AC and Crusader maneuver recharge mechanic), extra granted maneuver, sudden recovery
Any more feats you can recommend? I am not glued to a one handed or two handed weapon yet. I will refuse to do two weapon fighting and highly doubtful of bothering with dexterity based fighting/AC.
I just thought that maybe amateur swashbuckler with reposte might be interesting, and maybe the only way I could justify some points in charisma that I otherwise thought about dumping, even at the cost of a class feature and reduction in benefit of another class feature.
Now I am wondering about checking the current crane wing feat, I doubt I would want to give up the AC boost of a magic shield but I am at least open to considering it.
I am also interested in maybe making one or more adaptations. Please share your feedback on such:
Changing from a religious theme to a regional them, as suggested within Bo9S itself
Swapping out the class feature of charisma bonus to will saves for instead fighters bravery(DM said he was making fear effects more powerful in his campaign and even paladins are not immune). Or something, anything else, I am really tempted to dump charisma so anything not relying on Charisma would be a better option. Maybe once a day, I can reroll a will save?
Boosting their will power saves to a good category, same as how Paladins went from poor to good will save progression from 3.0/5 to PF.
Should I use the smite as written in the Bo9S or as written in PF?
Thank you to anyone willing to offer feedback!
Giving up one spell list after 7 levels of it to start another class with spells starting at caster level one of only the slots of a first level character for that class again is usually not a good idea. A bard 3/magus could have a few 1st level bard spells or a magus 10 have have a 4th level spell plus one or two spells of 1st/2nd/3d, all at full caster level. You better be getting really kick ass class abilities to justifly the loss of signifigantly more powerful spells with full caster level. The bard would not even increase your bab, doing 7 levels of magus could get you another bab+1 at magus 8 but instead as a 1st level bard, you get +0bab and fall behind even other single clessed PC who stick with just one 3/4 class. Maybe do eight levels of magus to get that extra bab and. Boost to both fort/will saves before looking for another class or prestige class.
To my GM's credit, he has on several ocations listened to discussions on disagreements on the rules and learned from them. So he is open to debate and being convinced to change how he runs the game.
The flavor text and name does include an Energy Missle(actually a psionic power from both 3.5 and PF 3rd party publishing Dreamscared Press) shooting out, but again, it is flavor text. There is no attack roll, only a saving throw by the target.
Before I discuss this with my GM, I am asking if anyone is familiar with something I may be over looking. My understanding is that a PC or NPC will not block line of sight or line of effect. For example, people can shoot through cover. Even if you count a body as a solid barrier, later in the rules, it mentions that an opening 1 square foot is enough to target through a wall. Are we suppose to abstract that the body takes up the entire 5’ square? I understand that sometimes, abstracting to 5’ cubes helps but when I can target through a window, I should be able to target between someone’s legs or to the side of their shoulder.
My GM keeps telling me I cannot see everyone on the field who I try to target. I could accept that if there was a mob of people, I might not be able to always target a specific person within that mob. That many people might prevent me from keeping the person in sight. What I believe is a problem is how he sometimes tells me I cannot see someone because there are only 2 or 3 people between them and myself, spread out over at least 15 feet, sometimes more space.
Thank you all for any feedback.
I found this thread helpful for building my PCfor this weekend so I do think it is worth neroing in hopes it helps someone else in the future. Though please forgive the descriptions being a bit more than a single sentence.
I'm thinking about doing a take on The Mechanist from both Fallout 3 and 4.
In Fallout 3, The Mechanist used robots to defend his town. I can say my synthesist summoned monsters to protect their town. Maybe after she got banned from town after actcidentally sending her summons against a local half Orc who she thought was one of the raiding orcs. It was easy to make the mistake, especially from far away. to avoid such again, she found a way to envelop her self in a combat suite that aloowed her to get into the thick of things and see the enemy up close to never make the same mistake again. Or maybe she feared that if she did not leave, her arch rival would hurt innocent bystanders trying to eliminate the synthesist.
Fallout 4 spoiler
I second Red Hand of DOOM. I like to pre face it with the speech from the 1970's movie called "The Warriors." the speech is given by a charismatic gang leader who brought all the gangs of NYC into a truce to convince them to team up against all the cops of the city! It is a great movie. You can even make a campaign out of the film.
I also recommend a Paizo module written in i'ts 3.5 days called Conquest of the Bloodsworn Vale, a place in the Golarion setting.
You could even run red hand of doom and later make reference to the goblinoid uprising in the nearby region as the Red Hand of DOOM. The Bloodsworn vale even has a group of surviving goblinoids from a failed uprising of their people.
Keep in mind that with dex 15, you could qualify for twf without ranger.
A race with int +2 can get you 2nd Lv bonus spells, you could multi class with such a caster and a more martial class.
While an 11 or 13 wisdom doesn't get you enough bonus spells for my taste, I usually just don't bother with saving throw spells. You could also stat bump at level 4 or 8 to get those bonus spells I think are critical. Though waiting that long, even with a multiclass could feel pretty lacking. Especially since you likely want to put that Lv4 stat into Str, maybe even Dex. But you could do something like a 4Ftr(specialization and 2 other bonus feats) or another full bab class and take something like Magus or War priest 4 and then you would not even have had access to those 2nd level spells until 8th level. I don't think i would be satisfied, I would rather take a 1 level of full BAB, at least levels 2-5 as a caster then consider going back to martial classes so I had those spells earlier.
For the prehensile hair, consider getting a helmet that would have a plume or hair sticking out the top to look fancy, then pull/push your own hair through to attack with it in style. Dye your hair different color every week. Maybe replace the metal visor with a holographic, illusion display that looks onto targets like a HUD heads up display in fighter jets like in the movie top gun.
You said he complained about some of you and your groups suggestions were too complicated or over powered. He cannot legitimately complain that he is too weak and refuse what would make him on par with the others. It sounds to me like he thinks everyone else is over powered and wants them brought down to his level but knows that would not fly with them so he instead complains about his failure to match others shoulder to shoulder. It also sounds to me like there will be no satisfying the guy.
Since he likes anime, he might like the wuxia inspired 3.5 product titled Book of the Nine Swords, the swordsage class is similar to a magus in anime style.
I don't want people playing other games simultaneously at my table. My Campaign
Sadly, as I wrote that I began asking, where should the line be drawn, I guess I would not feel anywhere as disrespected if two players held a side conversation but that could also lead them to not really pay attention. I guess they would at least be showing interest in engaging another player, a friend or build it into a friendship. I just answered my own question, I guess the line should be engagement with someone at the table or even just a family member/roommate who also lives there. I still think it is rather disrespectful to the DM to play other games while their character is in the current scene. Of course if the party thought stealthy players should go investigate ahead while the non stealth players hung back, I might not mind in that case them pulling out that ipad game.
Does he at least enjoy hanging out with the crowd? He may be getting more of a social experience hanging out with the group then you realize.
Has your group considered letting him concentrate on a single foe so he does not waste any action and spell hurting someone only to have another player one shot kill so strongly that it would have killed from full HP?
Have you encouraged him to think outside the box and come up with unorthodox tactics that would effect things more than just damage on someone?
If his damage is a problem, does his spell list contain battlefield control spells that could be more useful to the overall flow of the combat than damage? You could throw such a spell at him in,party treasure as a scroll so even if he does not want to scribe the spell or prepare it, he still has the scroll just in case.
Maybe drop equipment that really fits the class well in a treasure hoard.
Maybe he could delay his action to finish off people who don,t go down with a one shot by another player. If he is one of those really high init maguy, delaying might be a strong turn off.
Maybe he can focus on protecting a full caster or NPC.
Has he gotten much use out of knowledge skills, languages or stealth? Look over his skills and spells( scrolls, wands, ect) and see if you can find something that springs to mind as something he can do nobody else in the group can.
Throw a monster with DR he can overcome but others cannot. Maybe make a quite deal with another player to have their weapon break a fight or 3 before with a DM assurance you will make it up to them and not hose them over to much in the meantime except for the one fight you both want the magus to shine. Make sure that player has something they can do that encounter, like concentrate on another opponent.
One of the 3.5 monster manuals had a secontion on leveled gnolls, much like what I imagine the mo.ster codex is like now, but I have not read the codex yet. I think it was MM 4, if I come across it I will come back but u think I loaned it it out to who knows who. WotC even had several minis for these gnolls, one was something like a 4th level ranger, another a warlock class from tve 3.5 boom complete arecane. And one or two other non standard knows also.
I steal a term that Faux, a super mutant from the Fallout 3 vidogame prefers to use over super mutant, meta human. I like to play alchemists with discoveries: vestigial arm(x2), tentacle, forgot the name of the discovery that let's you self heal, even when unconscious, can be taken twice.
So.wine told me Marvel has a copyright or trademark or something about mutant so DC.uses meta human.
I have had too many campaigns get ruined by GMs who don't understand that letting other players in the party get 1/2 cost items is a formula for ruining the campaign when the PCs are then way over powered by being way over equipped. I would neither extend the saving to others nor keep the other 1/2 of the gold for myself. You have however opened my eyes up to the fact u should have thought about mire than ny own access to items but other PCs access also, so thank you for that.
Currently the group is I think 8 with adult realizations that so Many adumts cannot synch their schedule so we should be getting togetger once a mionth wgenevever week we can get at least 4 pmayers.
What I know I'd then so far, only one game in myself and we just turned level 4.
You say your PC is pretty rich. Is the GM know that having PCs equipped above the recommended gear values on page 399 is often bad for a campaign? Especially if only some PCs are while others are not, or others are even below. It often leads to the GM feeling a necessity to over challenge the over geared PC which then can too far out pace anothef PC not so over equipped.
Highly considering the hex that grants craft wondrous items but unsure of what to build. As effective as they are, it also seems rather dull to just use it to save money on cloak of resistance, headband wisdom, whatever physical belt I end up choosing, pearls if power.
I was hoping people could recommend other items The shaman spell list & craft wondrous items can handle. Stuff beyond those core items might make the hex/feat choice seem more interesting. we are playing Crimson Thrown AP so I doubt we will find many items.outside the core rulebook in treasure. This is part if why I think taking the hex/feat can seem good to me, it would allow me to build items we would likly never find.
PW is useing feats for extra points, very similar to the feat called extra slot. The bard could spend their feats on extra slot for more spells per day.
Paizo themselves state they do.'r believe everything needs to be 100% balanced against everything else. I will not be searching the threads for a quote on it.
While I would also be upset the player was cheating, I don't really think the PW is horrible. I think DSP 1/2 giant is better then it should be, I don't agree with all their powers or in thier Bo9S product, all the manueverd, But I don't think it is too far off, and it is definetly not worse than so much of Paizo's own material that wracks everything all over the pl e.
Once the cheating like using the right type of action, standard vs. Full, and allowing saves.I really do.'r see this player as a problem from what we see of it.
I would wonder if discounting the PW as an ally might intereact with stuff like if a bless or bats song still count both as an ally but I guess the use of that ability, bless caster or bard singer should be able to choose that for themself.
Combat reflexes is great for anyone who can use reach, even better with an Eidolon reach which also allows it to simultaneously threaten adjacent as well. Nit only dies it let you get more attacks of opportunity, it let's you take them while you are flatfooted.
One warning though, expect your GM to start avoiding approaching your Eidolon even more often since you have reach and the chance to take multiple AoO. But point out that you don't have that many. And really, your GM has likely strayed away from approaching your Eidolon already just due to reach. Combat reflexes mostly only increase the staying away on the surprise round and first round, then nit too much different.
Even if you don't get many AoO, that does not mean it does nothing. Often a GM will take a less optimal attack choice then move to a place that provokes, so you are still influencing the battlefield.
As a science fiction lover I always wanted to play Mass effect but as I bought the PS3 instead of xb, I figured I would wait a few years down the line and buy the other system when it was drasticallyheaper. thankfully I was instead able to just buy the series in one purchase on ps3. instead. I wad not all that thrilled with the action game play and felt me1 wad Bette than me2/3. none the less I played through it twice and to see both paragon and renegade play throughs. I do not like the series enough to play 3rd or 4th time to see a.neutral or mixed play through though
I do @ee myself giving it a try a few years down the line when the price drops drastically se way I bought the me123 trilogy together for $30 . untill then I have about 600 estimated game play hours of fallout 4 to get through first! maybe just 2 or 3 hundred, give myself a break from fallout between the regular game and dlc.
You could have the bard activate cure light wounds wands and the Summoner activate infernal healing wands. This frees you from having to spend your turns healing others. Mist people do nit enjoy feeling like they have to spend their turns buffing/healing others. Even if you play. Combat focused clr, just have those spells will result in others expecting you to heal them.
I also love alchemists with reach. Throw bombs and wait for them to provoke.
Warning! You may find that you almost never get an AoO. How many GMs will really provoke.if they can go attack someone else without the same problem? Especially true if your teammates rush past your screen instead of waiting within it.
When activating those staves, make sure to make it sound cool and dramatic! You are playing a Cha based caster after all:) I find leaving the minor out of the arcane power staff to be helpful. Telling the players in your regular voice it is actually a minor version is best at least a few seconds apart from saying the staff name.
Amulet of magical fangs
Max out your cloak of resistance. Be mindful of how much money you can spend on a single item according to your prestige.
With a good umd, easy for a cha casting class with it as. Class skill and at your level, I think you can spend an evolution on yourself for a +8 bonus, get a magical staff or two. UMD Iv to activate a staff us same as a wand, a flat 20 regardless of spell level. In PFS you can recharge them to full inbetween each game.
I like the lesser staff of arcane power at 8k. Will give you magic missile 5/day at your caster level(5 missiles each shot!) gives you a way to contribute offense damage yourself and should Nearly always work as it always hits, even incorporial stuff and anti magic zones are not that common. You can recharge this with the shield spell.
Staff of fire has fireball several tines a day! Again, contribute some offense damage yourself! Spell DC.is based on your ability score, not minimum like off a scroll. Be careful on this, consider yourself forewarned. Some may bark at a Summoner useing a 3 level(for summoner) wall of fire spell to recharge this. I would myself but anyone reasonable would say you should be able to recharge it if you expend a 4th level slot(presuming you know wall of fire), the level the spell is.on the wiz/sor list that it was likely based upon for creating the stats of a staff of fire.
I think they are too expensive in PF at twice the.cost of a pearl of power. The 3.5 version, think it was called a magica momenta, was.only 1.5 times the cost . Maybe a runestone of power to get a few more spells per day.
Some great advice so far. Said you could get some 3.5 stuff also. Consider the Book of 9 Swords, you can reuse that books " blade magic" maneuvers, like spells every encounter so you can use em without losing a resource for the next fight, helps with staying power. Instead of the classes in Bo9S, you could also take a feat or magic item to get a maneuver once a fight. Another 3.5 book that helps with staying power is Magic of Incarnum. You can shift essentia each round on what soul melds you want to power up but don't actually lose the essentia.
Do you hook up your computer to a.big screen TV so everyone can look at tbat as tbe map instead of the table? This also allows long/tall maps that need not be erased and rewritten, if you don't mind scrolling.
If you use a.program, be careful how.many still images you throw in like bystanders in the arena seats or carts on the street as it may effect how fast/slow you can scroll or zoom in/out.
If you do write on a map on the table. You may want to make sure your map can all fit on the literal map without having to erase & rewrite. Or have portions where you can draw a ling tunnel and just loop it around.
One problem with limiting your map to just the shap of your table is that it sometimes leaves an empty 1/4 or , 18, whatever tbat leads players to say there must be a secret room around tnis empty spot.
-Tunnel snakes RULE!! (Fallout ref)
It might be a good idea to print out a few pages with the important info in this thread and pass it between players during the week or via email so people with no system mastery who just don't know better than to consider the Ftr, Mnk, Rog , to be the bar to be measured against, then learn the problem is not with tier 3 classes, the problem is with tier 4/5 classes.
WotC had a web article on thier sire about material that was left on the cutting room floor. It had the psychic rogue class. I think it was either the sane article or maybe thier monthly web article The Minds Eye that had a few extra pwers.One that I like was like dark force lightning. It did some ranged energy damage, also had the chance to push you back. Then if you hit a wall, or column, you would take damage again from the impact collision. I think it was called energy push.
A funny truck I sometimes use in gladiator games is that I tell the players the arena has a potion of fly in the middle but then they learn the hard way there is an invisible wall(cieling) of force at the 20 mark. This way, anyone with enlarge person could still hit them with an adjacent weapon. Or a reach weapon if a 15 ceiling.
Not too long a thread yet but I only barely had interest so just dropping a quick idea. Maybe someone else already mentioned it.
Spell componets, at least some are becoming hard to get. This can cause unexpected inflation, then eyeballing stuff instead of precise magical measurement, a snowball rolls into a boulder. Maybe a natural disaster, or several interconnected disasters eschewed the production of said component that use to be so plentiful that no one had a contingintcy for a shortage of such.
One of these super leaders got depressed at the.unexpected death of a loved one and list the discipline to keep strict, when things get sloppy, stuff later spirals out of controll when contingentcies are no longer in proper supply and place.
Distracted when a natural illness is born into a child and magic has no quick fixes.
People of the nation see how prosperous life is in another nation during Olympic style games and tell friends and neighbors what they saw. Now many people want to defect, or are less productive in their jobs.
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