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RainyDayNinja wrote:Effects refer to things such as getting hit with elven bane weapons, not racial traits.LazarX wrote:B. A. Robards-Debardot wrote:
The Elven Branched Spear from the Melee Tactics Toolbox has the line "Elves treat elven branched spears as martial weapons."
Does this mean half-elves treat it as a martial weapon as well?
No... elven weapon familliarity is a racial Trait, as opposed to trait.
The half-elves don't get it. Half-orcs on the other hand do get access to orc weapon proficiencies as it's built into their racial trait. Half-orcs are proficient with greataxes and falchions and treat any weapon with the word “orc” in its name as a martial weapon.
No such line exists for half-elves.
I think you're missing the point of the argument. I don't think anyone is arguing that the regular Elven weapon familiarity racial trait would grant this to half-elves. The point is that the weapon description specifically states that Elves treat it as martial, and half-elves count as elves for all effects.
Without that last sentence, there would be no question, but if half-elves do not treat it as martial, that last sentence is a redundant repetition of the existing Evlen weapon familiarity trait.
Again, nobody's saying they get it as a martial weapon because of the elf racial trait. The question is whether the description of the weapon is intended to be merely a reminder of the racial trait or its own rule, and secondarily how it should be treated in PFS where the intent of the rule doesn't matter.