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Would it a bad choice to pick up Extra Revelation at level one though? It seemed worth the feat.

IMO, Extra Revelation is really nice at the early level and then later you look back and say, "well I wish I would have taken x." Illusion based Oracles are always fun, just go to Veiled Illusionist and you have a really good spell diversity. To do that you have to have Spell Focus (Illusion) and probably want Effortless Trickery, which means Racial Heritage (Gnome), which also means you need all the feats you can afford... leaving little room for Extra Revelation...

Just stick with it, Misfortune will make save or suck spells your bread and butter because characters essentially have to save twice against the spell. Once you get to fourth level, pick up a pick axe (doesn't matter that your not proficient) and the spell hold person Hold Person.

Round One: Hold Person as a standard, move to enemy.
Round Two: Coup de Grace
Round Three: ???
Round Four: Profit

Also, you should stay away from Extra Revelation from now on. Mysteries are good but you will get a lot more as a Dual Cursed Oracle, if you front load now your choice latter will be meh. Pick things like Abundant Revelation so you can use Erase from Time more often.

One last thing, your human FCB will be nice once you get to 4th level. That way you can start picking up spells that you really wanted but you needed to grab a more useful one, look in to situational and utility spells because if you use it correctly you will have pretty good versatility with your casting.

Alternatively, at 6th level you can go into Veiled Illusionist since you have the Haunted Curse. Pick up Spell Focus Illusion at 3rd, Racial Heritage (Gnome) at 5th, and Effortless Trickery at 7th. You will be a full divine caster with a nice list of illusion spells, for which you can concentrate on as a swift or move action, and enemies that disbelieve can be made to re roll their saves...

Edit: Also, regardless of what you do pick up some Breastplate and a Buckler... you need some more AC my friend!

If this movement would make you strike an object or creature of your size or larger, the movement immediately ends, you take 1d4 points of damage, and fall prone in that square.

For the prone issue: You are only prone if you hit something and the goblins get to choose which direction they go flying, so make them choose an open direction.

For the staggered issue: Staggered is a lame condition, limiting you to a move or a standard action. However, you can make use of this and charge! What I mean is that you should charge your opponents because you can charge while staggered.

If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn.

And lastly, to improve your charging ability give all those cuddly goblins Improved Unarmed Strike and Dragon Style so they can charge through allies and difficult terrain with a little extra oomph from their tiny little fists. It will make your life so much easier and your pcs will hate you for it.

I have only ever seen two Inquisitors played and one is my own. I also feel like they fill in a lot of gaps with their ability to be so versatile, picking up melee/ranged/tanking/healing with their judgments if you build them right. While they won't outshine anyone at any of the above tasks, they do a damn good job of staying relevant and picking up any slack in the party.

My understanding was that the ONLY way to take a race-specific class was to take the Racial heritage feat, requiring you to be human.

I'm sorry for any confusion but I'm only interested in race specific feats. I'm aware of the FAQ for subtypes and archetypes, for which you are correct, I'm just not sure if that extends to feats as well.

Note: This is for PFS, so there is no asking a GM for permission...

I had a quick question, is there anyway to gain the orc subtype besides the Orc Bloodline or Racial Heritage (Orc)?

I ask because I'm looking into being a Dwarf Fighter (Viking or Lore Warden) and taking advantage of Goblin Cleaver Feat, Accelerated Drink Trait, and lots of potions of Enlarge Person. Then I noticed Surprise Follow Through for Orcs/Half-Orcs and thought that would make a good mechanical addition to my build as well as a funny fluff thing (aka I have killed so many filthy Orcs in my time that there blood has contaminated my pure Dwarven blood!).

The only thing is I plan on dumping my Cha and I would like to avoid burning two feats to be able to pick up a third. Also, a level dip would be somewhat of a drag considering the crappy Cha score and not being able to use my spells and what not. Eventually I would like to do something a bit more exciting than fighter with him as well, maybe branch out into Inquisitor but thats another story.

So are there any ways to pick up the Orc subtype other than the two above methods?

Bonus Question: Is there a way to get the Dwarven subtype besides besides Racial Heritage? Would a Half-Orc with Racial Heritage (Dwarf) be a viable option in PFS (is it legal I mean)? Because I might be able to work that Idea out.

The Weapon Style trait from Lantern Lodge gives you proficiency in a single weapon with the monk quality... in case you where wondering, yes, the Dan Bong has the monk quality...

Shameless Bump!

Also, I was thinking an Aasimar or Human (with the adopted trait and Enlightened Warrior) Barbarian with levels of Unarmed Fighter or Monk. That way I can get Panther Claw pretty early as well as a nice bonus to speed (+10 from Monk at third, +10 from Barbarian at first).

So has anyone submitted a character yet?

So I came across the feat Roll With It and I really want to use it with a new character. Creation guidelines are anything Paizo with a 20pt build and I would like to avoid being a summoner but I have no qualms with using Racial Heritage (Goblin) to gain access to the feat. I don't know what level I will be starting at but any help with the build would be appreciated.

I was a bit put off by the staggered bit of the feat until I realized that I can still charge while staggered which is really nice. Then I realized that if I managed to get pounce somehow I would be making full attacks while staggered which is even better. So I think the best build to use in conjunction with Roll With It is a build that can do some cool stuff (or decent damage output) on a charge with no mount. I'm open to any other suggestions though, so please hit me with your best shot...

Also, for those that don't want to click the link above:

Prerequisite: Goblin, Acrobatics 1 rank.

Benefit: If you are struck by a melee weapon you can try to convert some or all of that damage into movement that sends you off in an uncontrolled bouncing roll. To do so, you must make an Acrobatics check (DC = 5 + the damage dealt from the attack) as an immediate action. If you succeed in this check, you take no damage from the actual attack but instead convert that damage into movement with each point equating to 1 foot of movement.

For example, if you would have taken 6 points of damage, you would convert that into 6 feet of movement. You immediately move in a straight line in a direction of your choice this number of feet (rounded up to the nearest 5-foot-square), halting if you reach a distance equal to your actual speed. If this movement would make you strike an object or creature of your size or larger, the movement immediately ends, you take 1d4 points of damage, and fall prone in that square. This involuntary movement provokes attacks of opportunity normally if you move through threatened squares, but does not provoke an attack of opportunity from the creature that struck you in the first place.

You are staggered for 1 round after you attempt to use this feat, whether or not you succeed.

Edit: As an after thought Panther Claw and Panther Style might be kind of cool to use with this too... don't know quite how to work that in but hey, thats what you guys are here for.

I'm open for either game. I'm just curious, will the new game be lower level so its not a game of rocket hide and seek tag?

What about the Arcane Bomber Wizard archetype? You're a full wizard with full bomb progression!

So.... I'm assuming this game is dead...

Yeah, the brakes where hit hard on this game.

he's not using a ring of continuation, he's making a custom magic item that allows deadly juggernaut to be a continuous effect.

You would be correct, I was tired and read the title as Ring of Continuation, Deadly Juggernaut... Nothing to see here move along *starts to whistle and walks away*

Unfortunately it will not work as Deadly Juggernaut has a duration of only 1/min level, and a spell needs to have a duration of 10 min/level to work in a Ring of Continuation.

Does the ring of continuation (Ultimate Equipment, page 168) allow you to cast time stop with a duration of 24 hours?

This item has had some unintended consequences and needs a fix. Change the second sentence of the description to read as follows: "Whenever the wearer of the ring casts a spell with a range of personal and a duration of 10 minutes per level or greater, that spell remains in effect for 24 hours or until the wearer casts another spell with a range of personal (whichever comes first)."

Source

No, a Mutagen/Cognatogen is not a potion. Therefore you can not extend them with the Extend Potion discovery.

Benefit: A number of times per day equal to his Intelligence modifier, the alchemist can cause any potion he drinks that does not have an instantaneous duration to function at twice its normal duration. This does not apply to extracts.

Grellash Demonspawn wrote:

Does Racial Heritage allow for the Scarred Witch Doctor archetype? I was under the impression that it allowed for effects, but archetypes and such weren't effects?

No, that feat would allow you to take other feats related to that subtype.

This is incorrect, please see the FAQ below. However, I do a agree that it is a human only feat so you will be unable to take the feat unless you are a human.

Can a human with the Racial Heritage feat take levels in an archetype that requires you to be of a specific race?

Yes, the Racial Heritage feat allows you to qualify for archetypes that have the chosen race as a requirement, assuming you still meet all of the other requirements to take levels in the archetype.

—Jason Bulmahn, 07/27/12

Edit: Ninja'd by the OP...

Please Don't Kill Me wrote:

Byrdology wrote:

The dual wielding great swords sounds like good advice... Or a great sword and a ranseur... You don't even need TWF, just stock up on 2HF feats and use two arms for reach, and two arms for close combat... Build into some feats that let you attack everything in range and you will be slicing and dicing and effing "s" up.

The pole arm/great sword comb would be fun, never thought of that. You could also wield a great sword as your primary, a light weapon in your off hand, and a shield in your fourth hand. You don't get an attack from your shield but you do get its AC bonus while TWF with the great sword and light weapon.

What I like about the TWF with two handed weapons (Sabertooth Saw would be perfect) idea is with Double Slice you deal 1.5 Str damage with both attacks, you get 1.5 Power Attack on your primary, and .75 Power Attack on your off hand.

Great idea! Could it be a tower shield or would that screw up spell casting? Not that spells would be a primary feature here.

As long as they are divine spells there is no arcane spell failure chance and Ranger casts divine spells so there is no problem. The only issue that I can see is that you would need to take a feat to gain proficiency with tower shields otherwise you will have a massive penalty to hit. You may be better off with just a heavy steel shield, but I say that because I'm not a fan of tower shields to begin with.

Well, if you have Malicious Eye, Bolster Jinx, Iron Will, and Sluggish Jinx your Evil Eye will be potent. You can get all of those feats by 7th level and a failed Will save will give the enemy one of the following. First you can go with -5 Will Saves, -3 Fort and Ref Saves, and -1 Attack/Initiative. Or you could go -3 Will Saves/Attack and -1 Fort/Ref/Initiative Saves.

With the first option I would say just skip the Misfortune Hex if an enemy fails their save and hit them with Slumber, then they are out and a Coup de Grais should finish them off. But basically Evil Eye, Misfortune, and Slumber are your go to Hexes and anything after that is what you feel best fists your character.

The dual wielding great swords sounds like good advice... Or a great sword and a ranseur... You don't even need TWF, just stock up on 2HF feats and use two arms for reach, and two arms for close combat... Build into some feats that let you attack everything in range and you will be slicing and dicing and effing "s" up.

The pole arm/great sword comb would be fun, never thought of that. You could also wield a great sword as your primary, a light weapon in your off hand, and a shield in your fourth hand. You don't get an attack from your shield but you do get its AC bonus while TWF with the great sword and light weapon.

What I like about the TWF with two handed weapons (Sabertooth Saw would be perfect) idea is with Double Slice you deal 1.5 Str damage with both attacks, you get 1.5 Power Attack on your primary, and .75 Power Attack on your off hand.

First, you only get the AC bonus from one shield, so there is no need to have 3. Second, the Vestigial Arm Discovery does not grant additional attacks. That means despite having extra arms you cannot utilize them to take more attacks then you normally would be able to.

Edit:

Benefit: The alchemist gains a new arm (left or right) on his torso. The arm is fully under his control and cannot be concealed except with magic or bulky clothing. The arm does not give the alchemist any extra attacks or actions per round, though the arm can wield a weapon and make attacks as part of the alchemist’s attack routine (using two-weapon fighting). The arm can manipulate or hold items as well as the alchemist’s original arms (for example, allowing the alchemist to use one hand to wield a weapon, another hand to hold a potion, and the third hand to throw a bomb). The arm has its own “hand” and “ring” magic item slots (though the alchemist can still only wear two rings and two hand magic items at a time).

Special: An alchemist may take this discovery up to two times.

Emphasis mine.

You are limited to what your BAB allows, so if you don't have TWF you just get +6/+1 for example. If you have the TWF tree you gain a single extra attack each step, using the previous example with TWF and ITWF you would have +4/+4/-1/-1. The additional arms do not grant you attacks above and beyond that limit. You could however, dual wield two great swords if you so desired.

Okay, so I made a Human Scared Witch via Racial Heritage Orc and I love it. You can even take a dip into Barbarian for a nice boost to your Hex DCs while raging. Just make sure to grab Raging Vitality for Extra effect! Even better is you can lug around an Armored Coat and sling Hexes with no penalty and when you need to cast a spell just spend a move action to remove it. I am basically our meat shield/debuffer.

What I really wanted to try after making my Witch though was a Halfling with the Jinx alternate racial trait, Malicious Eye, Bolster Jinx, and Sluggish Jinx. Just pump your up your Int and don't worry about your Cha because your Jinx save is now tied to your Evil Eye Hex! While you don't get a natural bonus to Int you can easily manage an 18 with a decent Dex and Con Score.

Yeah the previous opening was bad... This next one will hopefully be better.

Oh, I didn't think it was bad. On the contrary I thought it was a moment for the Brute type builds to shine. It was just you could use a mass Explosive Rune or Fireball Necklace tactic much to easy there, especially since we all new where the other players where. However, I really do look forward to the reboot. I may not post a lot sometimes but I am usually lurking so I'll get any messages you post even if I'm not super active.

I take it that's to prevent spam bomb abuse?

I would say thats a fair assessment. No more Confetti with 100+ castings of Explosive Runes and a dispel check or 15+ Necklaces of Fireball and an unwitting firebeatle. While there was nothing wrong with it rules wise, it did somewhat detract from the game IMO because it wasn't about the characters, rather their gear... especially in a rocket tag start like we had.

So... the dragon is yelling at us to leave but a number of us haven't even acted yet...

Did anyone get a briefing as to what to do? I mean should we just walk somewhere or what?

From what I've gathered we are combat and you you have several options. The first being that you fight with everyone in the confined space and hope for the best. The second you run away in attempt not to be slaughtered immediately. Finally you could do something in between these options or something else entirely. We are just going in combat initiate until you are out of danager/dead I think, I'm assuming if you sprint away as fast as you can you wont be in combat anymore.

The above is what I BELIEVE to be happening, I could be wrong.

* Is it intentional that a 3rd level caster can open a gate with a candle of invocation and a few thousand gold?

Not to derail but a 3rd level Wizard with a Int 20 and full ranks in Spellcraft will have a +14 to his roll. The DC for the item will be 17+5+5 (for not having the gate spell) = 27. That means the crafter needs a 13 or better on his check to craft the item. The odds are in favor of him loosing his precious gp trying to craft that item...

Jezebel wrote:

Heading to bed, see you all in the am. Hopefully I won't die before then.

A moment of silence :c

Well, that was quick...

I was thinking a couple posts every day but I can go faster or slower depending on what everyone else wants to do.

Challenge Accepted...

Vod Canockers wrote:

Or you could just play the game.

As Skeld points out, there are games within the game. I certainly wouldn't tell someone who enjoys drawing sketches of their characters to "just play the game." As hard as it may be to understand for some folks, some of us actually enjoy the mathfinder game.

I love mathfinder! Even though I deal with numbers all day long, I'm a Pricing Analyst, I think its one of the best parts of the game. However, I also love the playing aspect as well and I try hard not to let the number cruncher in me build characters. As for using excel, I wouldn't dream of storing the data and running the calculations any other way.

On a side note Eben, the simple way is perfectly fine unless you are using an ability that says treat all x's as y's, then the expected value formula is a god send. Take a rouge using the Deadly Sneak rouge talent. The rouge now treats 1s, 2s, and 3s as 3s. So we just assume that a 1 and 2 is now a 3. So our formula is now E(6)=(0/6)*1+(0/6)*2+(3/6)*3+(1/6)*4+(1/6)*5+(1/6)*6= (24/6) = 4.

So now I know two rouge talents net me .5 more damage per SA dice. At 11th level that will be an average of 3 damage points per SA, knowing that I'll pass for something else.

Most of the math that I have seen floating around on these boards deal with statistics. There is no set list of things you have to do, you just need to think about what you need to solve and use your tools (math) to figure out what you need to do to answer the problem. We will do an expected value problem for simplicity.

Now you can also use probability in conjunction with expected value to figure out how much damage you will do on average per swing of a weapon. This will factor in miss chances and critical potentials as well!

Well, just let me know when we are going to get this thing rolling! Also at first I was worried that we might start off this thing hunger games style... then I realized that might not be such a bad thing after all *insert evil laugh*!

Just thinking about this but would the following work?

Assume a Grenadier with an +1 Agile Conductive dagger with an Alchemist's Fire. He applies the Alchemist's Fire to the weapon, throws the dagger, hits the enemy, and then uses the conductive property. Will he get (1d4+Dex)+(1d6+Int)+(xd6+Int) for a total of 1d4+(x+1)d6+Dex+2Int? Thats not bad for a high Dex/Int character.

Komoda is correct. On a side note, if you don't want to have to rely on being near a shadow or dim light there is always the poor mans HiPS.

Something that I am doing currently is a Human Scarred Witch with Racial Heritage (Orc) and taking into a single level dip of Barbarian with Raging Vitality. You can sling your hexes while you rage for a nice +3 to the DCs.

Something that I have been wanting to try is a Halfling Witch with the Jinx Alt Racial Trait, Malicious Eye, Iron Will, and Bolstered Hex. If they fail their save against your Evil Eye Hex they take a -5 Will Save, -3 Fort and Ref Saves. If you pick up Lightning Reflexes, Great Fortitude, and Sluggish Jinx at levels 7, 9, and 11 and you can apply a -5 to all saves and a -1 to attack and initiative or -3 to all saves and -3 to attack.

Alternatively you could drop Lightning Reflexes and pick up split Hex at 11 so you can hit two people with your Evil Eye at the same time to inflict massive penalties if they fail their save. Best part is the Jinx is attached to your Int when you use it with evil eye so no need to boost your Cha and you could have a Stat array like: Str 7; Dex 14; Con 12; Int 19 (+1 at Level 4); Wis 12; Cha 10.

TWF is for melee weapons and unarmed attacks only!

Rapid shot is for ranged weapons only!

You can't combine the two feats to get more attacks.

If I'm wrong then why would there be two feats that do the same thing?

First, they don't do the same thing. You can actually TWF without the feat, just at a massive penalty to your attack rolls, the TWF feat just reduces that penalty so it is manageable. Rapid Shot provides an additional ranged attack at your highest BAB for the cost of -2 on all attack rolls.

Also, I believe you will find the following insightful, emphasis mine:

Two-Weapon Fighting

If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. You suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand when you fight this way. You can reduce these penalties in two ways. First, if your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light. Second, the Two-Weapon Fighting feat lessens the primary hand penalty by 2, and the off-hand penalty by 6.

Table: Two-weapon Fighting Penalties summarizes the interaction of all these factors.

Double Weapons: You can use a double weapon to make an extra attack with the off-hand end of the weapon as if you were fighting with two weapons. The penalties apply as if the off-hand end of the weapon was a light weapon.

Thrown Weapons: The same rules apply when you throw a weapon from each hand. Treat a dart or shuriken as a light weapon when used in this manner, and treat a bolas, javelin, net, or sling as a one-handed weapon.

Khrysaor wrote:

Scout archetype for ninja

I was unaware that Ninja's had any Archetypes....?????

Ninja is just a big Rouge archetype, so anything that doesn't replace something the Ninja archetype already replaced is far game.

Witches are hosed for mobility, as they rely on their cackle.

Make a combat a running combat (ie., the players are chasing a runaway caravan.. or a wyvern has grabbed their halfling..

Silence.

Fog. You can only target what you can see. Use a fog (obscuring mist) to start the combat at close range and watch the witch.. quit cackling.

Silence doesn't work because the cackle has no audible or visual components required. You don't actually need to hear or see the cackling witch for her to affect you with it, you only need to be within range.

I have an alchemist right now. He's level 5 and throw 2 bombs a round,

How does he do this? You can only throw one Bomb/round until you take the Fast Bombs Discovery, which is an 8th level discovery... so you have a problem with your build.

APG wrote:

Fast bombs: An alchemist with this discovery can quickly create enough bombs to throw more than one in a single round. The alchemist can prepare and throw additional bombs as a full-round action if his base attack bonus is high enough to grant him additional attacks. This functions just like a full-attack with a ranged weapon. An alchemist must be at least 8th level before selecting this discovery.

^That discovery is needed to be able to throw more than one bomb per round, regardless of BAB.

That is correct and I believe it was assumed, as the OP stated, that the above discovery was being used. Since the discovery is assumed to have been taken then he gets 2 attacks for BAB, 1 attack for Rapid Shot, 1 attack for TWF, and 1 attack for Haste or a +6/+6/+6/+6/+1 attack sequence.

Edit: Also, as per the FAQ, TWF does apply in this instance and any other ruling would be a house rule. You could justify this ruling by saying that as the Alchemist prepares a bomb with his right hand he is doing the same with the left, mixing the components one handed. There is nothing to my knowledge that indicates that creating a bomb requires two hands.

Base: +9/+4
w/ Rapid Shot: +7/+7/+2
w/ Rapid Shot and Haste: +8/+8/+8/+3
w/ Rapid Shot, Haste, and TWF: +6/+6/+6/+6/+1
w/ Rapid shot, Haste, TWF, and ITWF: +6/+6/+6/+6/+1/+1

Edit: Just to clarify TWF gives you another +6 attack, not a +1 Attack. ITWF on the other hand grants an additional +1 attack. Using both TWF and ITWF you have an extra two attacks, one at +6 and the other at +1.

Couple of Options, note these are bare bone builds.

I'm not much of a fan of the scarred witch doctor, the con for casting is nice, but the witch is just too weak to make a good combatant in my eyes. Maybe some kind of white haired witch debuffer build combined with scarred witch doctor?

Unfortunately those archetypes don't stack. However, I love a level dip into Barbarian and taking the Raging Vitality and Extra Rage a couple of times. Then pick up Split Hex, Accursed Hex, and Extra Hex as you see fit and you are sitting pretty with high DCs and versatility for your characters.

Even better is if you take the Barbarian dip at first lvl you get that d12 for HP and you get medium armor proficiency. Then you wear an Armored Coat while using Hexes and when you need to cast spells you spend a move action to take it off. Combined with the Scar Shield and a decent Dex you can have a good AC while slinging Hexes.

But I have to admit I'm biased because I am having a lot of fun with a very similar build.

Try a Barrel. The description says it can hold up to 75 gallons of water meaning it should be water tight, so you can make the case to your GM that it should prevent water from entering the barrel as well. If he goes for that take some extra precaution and layer the inside with a couple of these just incase the barrel isn't as water tight as you hoped.

Or you could wrap the item in cloth (or many cut up Water Prof Bags) and then cover that in plaster. Repeat the previous steps until you are satisfied that you won't ruin the item while in the water.

Those are the cheapest ways I could think of to transport some valuable items through water.

Best Witch IMO for this would be a Scared Witch Doctor. All you need is a Human with Racial Heritage (Orc) and bam! Got yourself a Barbarian Witch.

Well one problem is that you don't get a hex at level one of witch if you're a scarred witch doctor :/

Completely sliped my mind. You can easily drop the second Extra Rage for Extra Hex and then you should be fine. You only lose 6 rounds of rage so you still have 20/day which should be enough for at least 2 combats a day.

I disagree with Ender on the Barbarian dip. A one level dip with the Raging Vitality feat will give you a nice bonus to your Hex DCs. While raging your Hex DC increases by 3 which more then offsets the 1/2 increase your forgo by losing a single level of Witch.

As for losing a level of spellcasting, it puts you on par with Sorcerer and Oracle progression which is not a terrible situation. Your main thing will probably be your Hexes anyways so again, losing some spell casting isn't a huge deal.

Here is a Sample build using PFS hp rules

Edit: This is very close to a character I am currently playing and I love it. I would even consider the Prehensile Hair Hex so you can better deal with mooks. Your Hexs will debilitate bigger enemies but your action economy sucks when it comes to taking out hordes of small enemies.