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zylphryx wrote:

If we did in real life what we do in Pathfinder (or most RPGs for that matter), I think there would be a whole lot of charges, including:

  • murder (from killing all those orcs, goblins, and mooks)
  • attempted murder (from not killing all those orcs, goblins, and mooks that managed to get away)
  • robbery (from looting all the orc, goblin, and mook bodies that did not get away)
  • grave desecration (from the various crypts, etc that we fought the undead in ...)
  • grave robbing (... and then looted)
  • arson (from use of alchemist fire, burning hands, scorching rays, and the ever popular fireballs)
  • brandishing weapons (because that's what you do with weapons ...)
  • possession of unregistered firearms (for all those gunslinger PCs)
  • discharging of firearms in a public place (again for all those gunslinger PCs)
  • drunk and disorderly (for drunken master, halfling, dwarf, and followers of Cayden Cailean PCs)
  • resisting arrest (because when was the last time your PC went along quietly)

It would be the trial of the century. ;)

The bolded one puzzles me. Your PCs let mooks get away rather than hunting them down and slaughtering them, and anyone in the vicinity "just in case"? Truly gaming takes all kinds. :-)

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Lord Snow wrote:
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Safe space room for POC=racial segregation. Got it.
This is somewhat of a derail, but... yes. It is. It is *exactly* the very definition of racial segregation. There's a world of difference between this and, for example, just setting a time and place for people of color to gather without, you know, disallowing whites.

Coming from an Israeli I find this statement rather ironic, given the whole point of the state of Israel is a 'place where Jews can be Jews and be safe', which means it intended as a safe room for Jews on a global scale.

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Safe space room for POC=racial segregation. Got it.

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As the GM, I would control and administer reality. I don't think that would go well for anybody. Even Cosmo.

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Kalindlara,
There was some discussion at the same time in the LGBT Gamers thread which confirms your 'misinterpretation', at least for some. The messages that were deleted were more of that depressing same, as you surmised. The ones that remain are the ones that Paizo thought it could tolerate. The ones that didn't survive had a very good reason not to.

As for how they should appear? As people who are LGBTQ or non-binary. Much the way all the ones who are people who are straight appear. Paizon's included LGB since the beginning and are now having those characters be more prominant and seem to be including more of the other letters, althoguh it may be that they're just being more prominantly displatyed as well and I missed earlier examples.

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Thank you, Kalindlara, for posting the links to where I meant.

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Simply Gabriele wrote:

Where are these anti-LGBT militant players that everyone keeps mentioning? Especially those who will loudly voice their... Disapproval? Disgust? Ignorance? Over a character in fiction?

Most people like that are too fundementalist to play already, so we can expect to have a lot of breathing room already. After all, if you think that calling that elf druid that worships nature spirits "they" is too much, you will be horrified by all those completely cisgendered Asmodean inquisitors and quite the game anyway.

Are we still living in that long gone moral guardian era where DnD players were communing with the devil and spreading immorality?

Let's talk actual experiences, not "Well, I think there'd be bigots".

Go look at the threads for Wrath of the Righteous, especially the first book, to see more than a few howls of outrage about the inclusion of a married female couple. There was more pushback than outrage, granted, but there were howls. Much was also 'forced down throats' especially when a male couple appeared the very next installment.

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Should Mom-And-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?

About as readily as Mom and Pops that won't cater to a mixed-race wedding should be. Being small does not mean you get to be a racist dickbag to people, so why should it mean you get to be a homophobic one?

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Tels wrote:
You know, I can't help but think, all of those business that start taking advantage of this bill will only make it easier for people to take revenge on them. The dark side of me knows that there will probably be more than a few vandalisms of said businesses, possibly even arson employed against the companies forcing other businesses to hide their viewpoints or even turn violent against those they disapprove of.

Sadly, the dark side of me says that would be more likely to hit the businesses that don't discriminate in some parts of Indianna.

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DM Barcas wrote:
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Except it makes it more liekly you'll be discriminated against because now bigots have a cover. Before if the local county laws said no discrimination on grounds of orientation, it was obvious that you were breaking the law by discriminating on grounds of orientation. Now, it's not. So people who want to discriminate will see this as a way of discriminating while staying legal, making them more likey to do it it the first place.
Is that the effect it has had elsewhere?

As DoomedHero pointed an example of it happening in Indianna up thread, does that matter?

Even if the bigots are wrong, they're still more confident in acting on their bigotry, sorry, deeply held religious beliefs, which was my point.

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Except it makes it more liekly you'll be discriminated against because now bigots have a cover. Before if the local county laws said no discrimination on grounds of orientation, it was obvious that you were breaking the law by discriminating on grounds of orientation. Now, it's not. So people who want to discriminate will see this as a way of discriminating while staying legal, making them more likey to do it it the first place.

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Gov. Pence is engaging in a tactical realignment in a X-axis negative formulation.
Is that doubling down or did he really not understand what he was signing into law?

Its trying to have his cake and eat it too.

He needs to keep the more liberal parts of the state on his side and keep the base showing up to vote for him in the primaries so he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.

Otherwise known as making a profession politician check.

Hopefuly he rolls a 1. Although the DC of that check is absurdly low to begin with.

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I just find it sad that people are so ignorant of their own history that they can't see how strikingly similar all these arguments are to the ones used in Loving vs Virginia (I mean, I'm from the Uk and I know this s%+&. How can you not know what happened in your own country within your parents' lifetimes if not yours?) Then, people were arguing that the Bible outlawed mix race marriages (so, Aranna, apprently 50 years ago, Christianity was a religion that discriminated on racial lines, at least in some versions) and because of that, they shouldn't be forced to acknowledge such marriages. Same arguments, same bigoted attitudes, hopefully, same end result.

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In case anyone's interested, there's a JustGiving page in his memory, set up by his publishers.
Link

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If you can carry it, it will kill you. If its bolted to the floor, it will kill you. If it is the floor*, it will kill you. If it's moving, it will kill you.

*=see also ceiling, walls, door, ancillary decorations, air, etc.

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By that standard, Justin Bieber is one of the best artists on the planet right now. Or proof that Wolverine is the best written comic book. Something can be incredibly popular but stil be harmful, and/or godawful s!&*.

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You can bane multiple weapons.
Each weapon requires a separate swift action.
Each weapon uses one round of bane for each round it is set up to bane, so 2 weapons= 2 rounds of bane from your daily total per round.
You can continue bane as long as you wish, provided you can pay the cost in rounds, and drop it whenever you wish. So if you drop a weapon, you could keep it baned at the cost of 1 bane round per round it has bane applied and pick it up later, still bane, or let the bane lapse and do something else if picking it up is not viable. This would not cost a swift action to re-bane, however.
You have a total number of rounds equal to your inquisitor level per day to be spread across all your weapons and combats for that day.

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MagusJanus wrote:
thejeff wrote:

The Supreme Court isn't going to say "Go ahead and ignore us." That's just not going to happen. Not a precedent they're going to set.

The SC might (and has and will) decide in individual cases that federal law doesn't override state law or decline to rule in some cases because it isn't a federal matter, but it's never going to decide to allow states to ignore Supreme Court rulings at their whim.

They just won't give up that kind of power.

He's not asking for them to say that. He's trying to simply take the power to ignore any court ruling he doesn't like and is betting he can get away with it.

As I said, he tried that before and lost his job over it. That's a precedent, too, and one more likely to be followed.

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KingOfAnything wrote:
The state gay marriage ban is already under challenge in US District Court. My hope is that the Supreme Court takes care of it all.
If that Alabama head judge gets his way, a Supreme Court victory won't matter; the states can just ignore it.

Roy Moore also fought the supreme Court over a massive Ten Commandments monument outside his courthouse. He lost. He kept fighting and was removed as a judge until reelected by Alabama several years later. I doubt he will be more successful this time.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
Bob_Loblaw wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

I'd rather those things be legally challenged on a case-by-case basis, than make a blanket policy that does not allow individual liberty.

But, that's just me. If I knew a business would not sell to people for petty reasons, I would not go there.

That's easy to say when you have options. If it's the only pharmacy in town or the only grocery store or only doctor or...you get the point. Sure, in a city you've got options. You don't in smaller towns. That's why these laws are needed.
Does this happen in smaller towns? Doctors not treating people? Pharmacists not filling prescriptions?

Yes. There are a lot of problems as it stands with pharmacies refusing to fulfill prescriptions for the morning after pill and similar medications people disapprove of for religious reasons. Apparently, that's fine because it keeps the slutty sluts in their place, but, yes, before the law forced them not to, "no blacks" was hardly a rare circumstance, especially in the South.

More recently, a gun range has got into trouble for refusing to allow Muslim, read Arabic, people to shoot. Not really seeing the problem. Hell, watch In the Heat of the Night for a dramatic protrayal of how life used to be before the laws came in. Or read about how Ray Charles had to use a different entrance to theatres to his white band.

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Snorter,
I agree. But a lot of the argument seems to be you can cast this a lot and change your alignment. If you wouldn't allow a few thousand acts of charity (that don't actually hurt your wealth) to offset evil acts, I can't see how casting protection from evil is any different.

WPharolin,
Ok. That's fair. My post was very badly phrased and aggressive. My central point, which I can see you not getting, is that alignment is pretty much "magical tea time" all the time. There aren't going to be hard rules on it because morality is something that varies a lot between tables and defining things strictly from Golem HQ would just not work. For people who like the rules to be more codified and precise, I see how alignment which is messy as all hell drives you nuts. However, if you are already using alignment and judging whether giving orphans bread is a good act or how it balances with you making them orphans, then an aligned spell falls into the same bracket. It is defined by the table, and that's the only way alignments can work at all. So saying this particular part is "magical tea time" when all alignment is seems a little dismissive and patronising to people who don't share your distaste for alignment in general.

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So, to those on the No side, can a person commit evil and then not change alignment with sufficient non-magcial good acts?
Can a serial killer stay non-evil by sufficient holding open doors for little old ladies? If not, then what is your bloody problem with a spell explicitly saying its evil? It has an effect on alignment. So does any good/evil act that isn't magical, such as the aforementioned holding doors open for little old ladies. If one can be a Good act (doors and little old ladies, charitable donations, food to orphans, etc) without causing all this drama, why the hell do you have such a problem with a spell that has an equivalent effect? Yes, it's evil, no, it won't shift your alignment on its own, no it's not fine for a paladin to cast it.

And WPharolin,
Please show me in the rules where the acts requried to change alignment are expliclty spelled out. They're not, so casting aligned spells simply falls into the same area as adjudicating any other act and its effects on your alignment. So kindly stop the patronising "magical tea party" b+*#~~+!.

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He was a policeman accused of killing a black "thug". The chances of a guilty verdict were pretty much zero anyway.
As for the rioting, which is more heinous: rioting over a perceived unjustified killing of a young man by the "forces of law and order" or rioting after your team lost a game? Which receives more condemnation and which is treated as just the way things are?
EDIT And as for those damn Bostonians throwing the tea into the bay in protest at tax laws. How can such willful destruction of private property be condoned by anyone?

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Supernatural abilities are Standard actions unless noted otherwise. It's not noted, so it's a standard action. It's probably not something you'll want to do much in combat anyway.

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JoelF847 wrote:
The only thing I can imagine to make the new FF farce (oops, movie) worse would be to have Ben Grimm transform into Thing 1 from the Cat in the Hat. Then after Doom hacks the FF into submission and is about to win, Thing 2 appears to save the day.

Wouldn't that actually be an improvement on this?

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Also, Paizo try very hard not to make bricks and mortar stores mad at them by selling through their website earlier than the street date. This would seem to come close to this, so it's probably unlikely.

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No, it's not. You claimed the data showed something,. It doesn't, because it's not precise enough. Therefore, your statment that the data supports you is incorrect. You are mistaken.

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Kirth,
Looking !=staring. No one said looking was a problem. Kind of hard to avoid. Staring is more of a deliberate activity.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
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Simon Legrande,

I know America has free speech so the harrassers are perfectly legal in their harrassment. My point, which you somehow missed, is that racists also have the same right to say what they like, even if its offensive, but as a society America has generally decided that racists who utilise this right are not nice people and socially shun them.

Given the video that sparked this national discussion, I'm not convinced that this is true.

I think when its as extreme as shouting offensive things on the street, its generally not acceptable. The more subtle things like police aggression, unbalanced justice system, low expectations and 'doesn't fit the culture' not hirings are more of a problem precisely because they're not as blatant.

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And? Do you think a woman with the temerity to be dressed 'provactively'* in public deserves to be catcalled?

*=whatever provocatively means. Not a burkha, perhaps? Could you tell me what clothing you consider it ok for women to wear so as not to be catcalled?

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Simon Legrande,
I know America has free speech so the harrassers are perfectly legal in their harrassment. My point, which you somehow missed, is that racists also have the same right to say what they like, even if its offensive, but as a society America has generally decided that racists who utilise this right are not nice people and socially shun them. Please explain why doing the same to people who are harrassing women with catcalls is a poor idea?

And as Lemmy has defended it

Lemmy wrote:
Kinda... That's part of what I'm talking about. But that's because IMO, causing someone to feel uncomfortable or annoyed is not enough of a justification for a behavior or action to be forbidden or even condemned.

I'm just pointing out that racism, and shouting racist things at random people in the street, is not socially acceptable and want him to explain why doing the same to women is ok in his mind. After all, if racial minorities weren't out in public with their provocative skin tones, the racists wouldn't need to shout at them.

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Lemmy,
Please stop defending the rights of a$**%#$$s to be a~&~*+#$s without consequences. People have the right to be racist, sexist, homophbic wankers all they like. They don't have the right to be such and still be considered decent people.

Or would you defend the KKKs right to free expression, and to not be judged racist a~*#+&@~s, as strongly as you are people who harrass women on the street? If not, please explain what the difference is.

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That assumes these forums are representative. I would question that assumption. I doubt many casual gamers are taking part in the arcane discussions here. Thus you get the view of the hardcore, which is not representative.

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Nicos,
It's not. Similarly getting punched in the face is not as bad as getting stabbed in the chest, but both are assault. And to be very clear, harrassment is nowhere near either of them.

As I mentioned, each indivual comment can be innocuous but if they're going on every five minutes you're walking down the srteet, it's bloody annoying. And that's what harrassment is. The individual parts may not be a problem, it's the continuous pattern that makes it harrassment.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Paul Watson wrote:
And again, you're basically an in-person telemarketer: "Hi, I know you're busy and don't want to talk to me, but please talk to me." It's harrassment when it's charity collectors, or panhandlers who try to stop people in the street, so why isn't it when it's you doing the same thing?

(Emphasis added)

Hmmm. More pro-gentrification class bias?

As a member of the white bourgois middle-class, it is entirely possible that my biases are showing, but that was not my intent.

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ShadowcatX,
Well, yes, but that's more for dishonestly conflating being polite to workers who you are choosing to interact with and who are doing their jobs to doing the same thing with random members of the public who did not choose to interact with you. Yes, that would leave me frothing at the mouth, because I can't believe anyone is so stupid as to think they're the same thing, so bringing them up just looks like deflection and deliberate obliviousness.

EDIT: And I don't beleive there's much cross-over between the people justifying the flashbang and those condemning street harrassment.

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Clearly I'm unusual in not saying hello to random strangers I've never met before. Apparently this is commonplace behaviour.

It's strange how rarely I see such apparently commonplace behaviour on the streets of London, given it appears to be perfectly ordinary to try to start conversations with strangers just walking past for no apparent reason.

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GM Xabulba wrote:
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GM Xabubla,
So because some women choose to some times in some places pose naked and show themselves off, that means all women in all places at all times are fine with it from all men? You really don't see the problem with that argument?

If so, allow me to point it out: If the behaviour of some people, in some places, at some times means that all people of the same sex will behave the same way at all times, that means that women are perfectly judstified in assuming that all men everywhere are bloody rapists because there are some men somewhere sometimes who are. I expect you'd be outraged if...

No it was more to point out that there are places men can go where women want to or are willing to be objectified so douchebags should go to those places and leave the rest of the women alone.

Apologies for misunderstanding you, then.

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Lemmy,
Quick question: Do you get annoyed at telemarketers who interupt your life to sell you their product? If not, congratulations, you have the patience of a saint or are lying. If so, please explain why interrupting people on their walk is different? They haven't asked you to talk to them, they haven't advertised they want you to, they're just walking. Interrutping them is annoying, rude and, as mentioend, behaving like a gods-damned telemarketer, which is a profession that ranks alongside lawyers and politicians on the liked and trusted scale.

And, even if that wasn't the case, imagine that when you're walking along, mnding your own business, every fiver minutes, someone shouts out at you. Doesn't matter what, could be a compliment, but it's every five gods-damned minutes and they never leave you alone. That would get pretty annoying, wouldn't it?

And to top that off, it's not just a compliment every five minutes. At least half of them would be people asking you to show them your cock. That would make you rather pissed with the complimenters too, wouldn't it as you never know which they'll be when they open their damn mouth, right?

And then to add a little cherry on top, these people are generally bigger than you, stronger than you and you have no f#~$ing clue if they'll be the one in 10000 who won't stop at catcalling and might do you harm.

Is that clearer? It's not complicated, really.

GM Xabubla,
So because some women choose to some times in some places pose naked and show themselves off, that means all women in all places at all times are fine with it from all men? You really don't see the problem with that argument?

If so, allow me to point it out: If the behaviour of some people, in some places, at some times means that all people of the same sex will behave the same way at all times, that means that women are perfectly judstified in assuming that all men everywhere are bloody rapists because there are some men somewhere sometimes who are. I expect you'd be outraged if people treated you like a rapist just because you're a man, right? So judigng all women on the basis of those who choose to post sexy pictures on certain internet channels offline, is at the very least moronic as well as potentially offensive.

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Christina,
[Obviously a joke]Be honest, this is the the start of stacking the deck in favour of your aplication for the developer role, isn't it? :-) [/obviously a joke]

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GM says: Well, thank you for unravelling the plot and spoiling it.*
GM means: Why do my players all have Knowledge (Genre) at +20?
Alternatively GM means: I'm going to let you think that red herring is significant so you are actually surprised.

To my players: Now have fun figuring out which is which. :-)

*=The record for this is in the introduction of Seven Days to the Grave.

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In our Kingmaker campaign we had a character like this. After the

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Gynora cult encounter when ahe, and the rest of the party recognised many of his exes amongst the scorned women

the other party members asked me how much it would cost to have the academy create a belt of opposite gender for him. They never went through with it, but the question was occasionally raised thereafter.

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Greater Flamboyant weapon (p214) has the wrong school and level information in the header block.

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No, because cones don't require an attack roll and therefore do not count as weapon-like spells.

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Marcus Robert Hosler wrote:
Abraham spalding wrote:

You cannot give consent while drunk.

Consent must be obtained or the act is forced is automatically considered forced.
Drunk has a legal definition. Consent has a legal definition, and you cannot consent while drunk. If you do not have consent then the act is not willing.
This is a basic point everyone needs to get into their heads.
So if both parties are drunk, then both parties raped each other?

Under RAW, yes. That's why we have juries to determine RAI in corner cases like that.

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Proposed new messageboard rule: No one under the age of 35 is allowed to complain about:
a) feeling old
b) getting old
c) kids today
d) how much better the past was
e) anything at all. Bloody whippersnapperrs don't know how easy they've got it. Why in my day...

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Also Adventure Paths are 6 books, released in subsequent months. Uusally there is a campaingn setting book and a companion book released that help flesh out that area but these sren't vital.
All APs start from 1st level.
For Iron Gods, having the Technology Guide would be very useful.

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There's a suggestion that the writer would like that to happen. There's absolutely no suggestion in the article that Lisa or anyone at Paizo thinks it should happen uless I miswsed it but the only quote from Lisa I can find is the one about the GSL and why Paizo didn't adopt it.

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