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Snorter,
I agree. But a lot of the argument seems to be you can cast this a lot and change your alignment. If you wouldn't allow a few thousand acts of charity (that don't actually hurt your wealth) to offset evil acts, I can't see how casting protection from evil is any different.

WPharolin,
Ok. That's fair. My post was very badly phrased and aggressive. My central point, which I can see you not getting, is that alignment is pretty much "magical tea time" all the time. There aren't going to be hard rules on it because morality is something that varies a lot between tables and defining things strictly from Golem HQ would just not work. For people who like the rules to be more codified and precise, I see how alignment which is messy as all hell drives you nuts. However, if you are already using alignment and judging whether giving orphans bread is a good act or how it balances with you making them orphans, then an aligned spell falls into the same bracket. It is defined by the table, and that's the only way alignments can work at all. So saying this particular part is "magical tea time" when all alignment is seems a little dismissive and patronising to people who don't share your distaste for alignment in general.

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So, to those on the No side, can a person commit evil and then not change alignment with sufficient non-magcial good acts?
Can a serial killer stay non-evil by sufficient holding open doors for little old ladies? If not, then what is your bloody problem with a spell explicitly saying its evil? It has an effect on alignment. So does any good/evil act that isn't magical, such as the aforementioned holding doors open for little old ladies. If one can be a Good act (doors and little old ladies, charitable donations, food to orphans, etc) without causing all this drama, why the hell do you have such a problem with a spell that has an equivalent effect? Yes, it's evil, no, it won't shift your alignment on its own, no it's not fine for a paladin to cast it.

And WPharolin,
Please show me in the rules where the acts requried to change alignment are expliclty spelled out. They're not, so casting aligned spells simply falls into the same area as adjudicating any other act and its effects on your alignment. So kindly stop the patronising "magical tea party" b~&$!%@!.

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He was a policeman accused of killing a black "thug". The chances of a guilty verdict were pretty much zero anyway.
As for the rioting, which is more heinous: rioting over a perceived unjustified killing of a young man by the "forces of law and order" or rioting after your team lost a game? Which receives more condemnation and which is treated as just the way things are?
EDIT And as for those damn Bostonians throwing the tea into the bay in protest at tax laws. How can such willful destruction of private property be condoned by anyone?

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Supernatural abilities are Standard actions unless noted otherwise. It's not noted, so it's a standard action. It's probably not something you'll want to do much in combat anyway.

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JoelF847 wrote:
The only thing I can imagine to make the new FF farce (oops, movie) worse would be to have Ben Grimm transform into Thing 1 from the Cat in the Hat. Then after Doom hacks the FF into submission and is about to win, Thing 2 appears to save the day.

Wouldn't that actually be an improvement on this?

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Also, Paizo try very hard not to make bricks and mortar stores mad at them by selling through their website earlier than the street date. This would seem to come close to this, so it's probably unlikely.

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No, it's not. You claimed the data showed something,. It doesn't, because it's not precise enough. Therefore, your statment that the data supports you is incorrect. You are mistaken.

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Kirth,
Looking !=staring. No one said looking was a problem. Kind of hard to avoid. Staring is more of a deliberate activity.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
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Simon Legrande,

I know America has free speech so the harrassers are perfectly legal in their harrassment. My point, which you somehow missed, is that racists also have the same right to say what they like, even if its offensive, but as a society America has generally decided that racists who utilise this right are not nice people and socially shun them.

Given the video that sparked this national discussion, I'm not convinced that this is true.

I think when its as extreme as shouting offensive things on the street, its generally not acceptable. The more subtle things like police aggression, unbalanced justice system, low expectations and 'doesn't fit the culture' not hirings are more of a problem precisely because they're not as blatant.

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And? Do you think a woman with the temerity to be dressed 'provactively'* in public deserves to be catcalled?

*=whatever provocatively means. Not a burkha, perhaps? Could you tell me what clothing you consider it ok for women to wear so as not to be catcalled?

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Simon Legrande,
I know America has free speech so the harrassers are perfectly legal in their harrassment. My point, which you somehow missed, is that racists also have the same right to say what they like, even if its offensive, but as a society America has generally decided that racists who utilise this right are not nice people and socially shun them. Please explain why doing the same to people who are harrassing women with catcalls is a poor idea?

And as Lemmy has defended it

Lemmy wrote:
Kinda... That's part of what I'm talking about. But that's because IMO, causing someone to feel uncomfortable or annoyed is not enough of a justification for a behavior or action to be forbidden or even condemned.

I'm just pointing out that racism, and shouting racist things at random people in the street, is not socially acceptable and want him to explain why doing the same to women is ok in his mind. After all, if racial minorities weren't out in public with their provocative skin tones, the racists wouldn't need to shout at them.

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Lemmy,
Please stop defending the rights of a!~%$**%s to be a%+@@@+%s without consequences. People have the right to be racist, sexist, homophbic wankers all they like. They don't have the right to be such and still be considered decent people.

Or would you defend the KKKs right to free expression, and to not be judged racist a$+$$%~&s, as strongly as you are people who harrass women on the street? If not, please explain what the difference is.

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That assumes these forums are representative. I would question that assumption. I doubt many casual gamers are taking part in the arcane discussions here. Thus you get the view of the hardcore, which is not representative.

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Nicos,
It's not. Similarly getting punched in the face is not as bad as getting stabbed in the chest, but both are assault. And to be very clear, harrassment is nowhere near either of them.

As I mentioned, each indivual comment can be innocuous but if they're going on every five minutes you're walking down the srteet, it's bloody annoying. And that's what harrassment is. The individual parts may not be a problem, it's the continuous pattern that makes it harrassment.

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Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
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And again, you're basically an in-person telemarketer: "Hi, I know you're busy and don't want to talk to me, but please talk to me." It's harrassment when it's charity collectors, or panhandlers who try to stop people in the street, so why isn't it when it's you doing the same thing?

(Emphasis added)

Hmmm. More pro-gentrification class bias?

As a member of the white bourgois middle-class, it is entirely possible that my biases are showing, but that was not my intent.

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ShadowcatX,
Well, yes, but that's more for dishonestly conflating being polite to workers who you are choosing to interact with and who are doing their jobs to doing the same thing with random members of the public who did not choose to interact with you. Yes, that would leave me frothing at the mouth, because I can't believe anyone is so stupid as to think they're the same thing, so bringing them up just looks like deflection and deliberate obliviousness.

EDIT: And I don't beleive there's much cross-over between the people justifying the flashbang and those condemning street harrassment.

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Clearly I'm unusual in not saying hello to random strangers I've never met before. Apparently this is commonplace behaviour.

It's strange how rarely I see such apparently commonplace behaviour on the streets of London, given it appears to be perfectly ordinary to try to start conversations with strangers just walking past for no apparent reason.

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GM Xabulba wrote:
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GM Xabubla,
So because some women choose to some times in some places pose naked and show themselves off, that means all women in all places at all times are fine with it from all men? You really don't see the problem with that argument?

If so, allow me to point it out: If the behaviour of some people, in some places, at some times means that all people of the same sex will behave the same way at all times, that means that women are perfectly judstified in assuming that all men everywhere are bloody rapists because there are some men somewhere sometimes who are. I expect you'd be outraged if...

No it was more to point out that there are places men can go where women want to or are willing to be objectified so douchebags should go to those places and leave the rest of the women alone.

Apologies for misunderstanding you, then.

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Lemmy,
Quick question: Do you get annoyed at telemarketers who interupt your life to sell you their product? If not, congratulations, you have the patience of a saint or are lying. If so, please explain why interrupting people on their walk is different? They haven't asked you to talk to them, they haven't advertised they want you to, they're just walking. Interrutping them is annoying, rude and, as mentioend, behaving like a gods-damned telemarketer, which is a profession that ranks alongside lawyers and politicians on the liked and trusted scale.

And, even if that wasn't the case, imagine that when you're walking along, mnding your own business, every fiver minutes, someone shouts out at you. Doesn't matter what, could be a compliment, but it's every five gods-damned minutes and they never leave you alone. That would get pretty annoying, wouldn't it?

And to top that off, it's not just a compliment every five minutes. At least half of them would be people asking you to show them your cock. That would make you rather pissed with the complimenters too, wouldn't it as you never know which they'll be when they open their damn mouth, right?

And then to add a little cherry on top, these people are generally bigger than you, stronger than you and you have no f*@+ing clue if they'll be the one in 10000 who won't stop at catcalling and might do you harm.

Is that clearer? It's not complicated, really.

GM Xabubla,
So because some women choose to some times in some places pose naked and show themselves off, that means all women in all places at all times are fine with it from all men? You really don't see the problem with that argument?

If so, allow me to point it out: If the behaviour of some people, in some places, at some times means that all people of the same sex will behave the same way at all times, that means that women are perfectly judstified in assuming that all men everywhere are bloody rapists because there are some men somewhere sometimes who are. I expect you'd be outraged if people treated you like a rapist just because you're a man, right? So judigng all women on the basis of those who choose to post sexy pictures on certain internet channels offline, is at the very least moronic as well as potentially offensive.

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Christina,
[Obviously a joke]Be honest, this is the the start of stacking the deck in favour of your aplication for the developer role, isn't it? :-) [/obviously a joke]

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Quick question: How is Vengeful Wounds supposed to be qualified for? It requires Healing and War Domains, or Battle and Life Mysteries or Death and Healing Patrons. How can you qualify for the secodn two when you only get one Mystery and one Patron at a time?

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GM says: Well, thank you for unravelling the plot and spoiling it.*
GM means: Why do my players all have Knowledge (Genre) at +20?
Alternatively GM means: I'm going to let you think that red herring is significant so you are actually surprised.

To my players: Now have fun figuring out which is which. :-)

*=The record for this is in the introduction of Seven Days to the Grave.

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In our Kingmaker campaign we had a character like this. After the

Spoiler:
Gynora cult encounter when ahe, and the rest of the party recognised many of his exes amongst the scorned women

the other party members asked me how much it would cost to have the academy create a belt of opposite gender for him. They never went through with it, but the question was occasionally raised thereafter.

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Greater Flamboyant weapon (p214) has the wrong school and level information in the header block.

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No, because cones don't require an attack roll and therefore do not count as weapon-like spells.

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Marcus Robert Hosler wrote:
Abraham spalding wrote:

You cannot give consent while drunk.

Consent must be obtained or the act is forced is automatically considered forced.
Drunk has a legal definition. Consent has a legal definition, and you cannot consent while drunk. If you do not have consent then the act is not willing.
This is a basic point everyone needs to get into their heads.
So if both parties are drunk, then both parties raped each other?

Under RAW, yes. That's why we have juries to determine RAI in corner cases like that.

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Proposed new messageboard rule: No one under the age of 35 is allowed to complain about:
a) feeling old
b) getting old
c) kids today
d) how much better the past was
e) anything at all. Bloody whippersnapperrs don't know how easy they've got it. Why in my day...

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Also Adventure Paths are 6 books, released in subsequent months. Uusally there is a campaingn setting book and a companion book released that help flesh out that area but these sren't vital.
All APs start from 1st level.
For Iron Gods, having the Technology Guide would be very useful.

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There's a suggestion that the writer would like that to happen. There's absolutely no suggestion in the article that Lisa or anyone at Paizo thinks it should happen uless I miswsed it but the only quote from Lisa I can find is the one about the GSL and why Paizo didn't adopt it.

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My ACG sitting here in London, UK, also disagrees with him.

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The colours are based on the skymetals with Brown and Prismatic both representing none or all respectively. So they're coloured according to skymetasl rarity rather than anythign to do with the colours themselve.s This is in the Tech Guide somewhere.

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It is used to indicatea belief that the thread will soon become a flame war which said individual is watching for entertainment. such a statement often seems to ignite said flame war.

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So, FH, when is the right time to use a taser? Apparently it's not when being attacked by unarmed peple if they're too big. It's obviously not for confronting armed people. So when should a taser be used, in your expert opinion? What body mass index is it acceptable to use it on and how should the police evaluate this at the time?

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Marc Radle wrote:

Haven't picked this up yet, but I have a quick question: does the arcanist get a familiar (or *can* he get one through an archetype or anything)?

Thanks!

One of the Arcanist exploits allows them to get a familiar. No ability to get arcane bond that I saw.

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KSF wrote:
Malaclypse wrote:
But I did not ever mention that article. I did not quote any sentence from that article. Really. If I did and forgot about it, please show me, quote me.

You quoted and replied to two sentences that were about the article, and only about the article.

Okay, this is getting pointless. I am tapping out of this subthread of the overall discussion.

Have a nice Sunday everyone, and be excellent to each other.

Party on, KSF. ;-)

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Another, more positive link

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Andrew R wrote:
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Aranna wrote:

Well this is a total mess. People should calm down until the FBI gets to the truth. Riots turn your side into the bad guys... mass peaceful protests would have done the job much better.

Personally I have heard so far that the black criminal attempted to take the white officers weapon in the car injuring the officer in a non-life threatening way and then the officer fired at the black teen in the car at least once and after the black teen fled on foot he fired at least twice at the fleeing felon. Witnesses say the teen then tried to surrender but that the policeman gunned him down anyway.

{IF all of this is true; that is a big IF since this is racially charged and people are probably lying on both sides to a greater or lesser degree.} Then the policeman should either be arrested for aggravated murder. Since up until the point the teen surrendered the officer was within his rights, but NOT after he surrendered. OR if the witnesses are lying and the boy was shot to death either in the car or while trying to flee then the officer should go on desk duty till people calm down.

The officer's innocence will be determined by the FBI. My prayers go out to those who are suffering on both sides right now.

"Black Criminal"?!?! WTF?!?

He WASNT A CRIMINAL. He was literally walking in the street with his friend on the way home when the altercation on the street started.

it started with them being told to get out of the street and them refusing according to the friend.

So his friend isn't reliable when he says Mr Brown was shot while unarmed and without assaulting the police, but is when he says they were ordered off the street by the police? So he's reliable when he agrees with you and not when he doesn't? It's like you're not even trying anymore.

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Some links.

Huffington Post 1

Washington Post

Amnesty International

Andrew,
btw, if you want us to wait for proof, how about you wait for some before accusing the teenager of assaulting the cop when that's not any more proven, and directly contradicted by multiple eyewitness statements? Oh, right, that fits your narrative so it's obviously true without evidence needed.

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Doug,
Why? What benefit does that give them? Has having more moderate people in charge of the West Bank got anything out of Israel? Are there still settlements? Are they still expanding and taking up more land? Are thery still prevented from crossing the border? Are their property still destroyed or confiscated? are they still arrested and imporisoned without trial by the Israeli army? Do they have control of their borders?

What exactly has being moderate gained the people of the West Bank?

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When some fans say they don't like it. You are not necessarily the majority and catering to those who shout the loudest or most often is not usually a good business strategy. It isn't just your game, in other words, and acting like it is, is bloody annoying to others.

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Lord Snow wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
As for the google hits - yes, I see what you did with the tweets, I still think that neither they nor any of the stats I found mean more than the fact that news of reporters from around the world showing a consistent image - that of having to conceal some of the truth while in Gaza because of fearing Hamas, and that Hamas actually is responsible for a lot of the things it was blamed for by Israel but not by world media during the war - was mostly reported by conservative Americans. I would think such news would be important for anyone who cares about the conflict, wouldn't it?

The conservative American websites all popped up after a specific search for an Italian journalist and a specific refugee camp, a story that doesn't appear, as near as I can tell anyway, to have been elaborated upon yet by the journalist mentioned.

It would take a longer search to establish that only conservative American websites have reported on "having to conceal some of the truth while in Gaza because of fearing Hamas, and that Hamas actually is responsible for a lot of the things it was blamed for by Israel but not by world media during the war." I imagine that Citizen Workshop will be up for the task.

Note that I didn't say "only", just "mostly". The fact that it's hard to find a respectable international source citing the fact does mean something. In Israel it was cited by the most respectable sources, and self declared leftist sources as well, so I feel confidant to put stock in the news. However, internationally there does not seem to be much interest - unlike, for example, that time that Israel killed those four children on the beach. Why the difference?

Because it doesn't fit the narrative?

Because they don't want to look like idiots by retracting?
Because they're not sure of the soucre?
Because Hamas kills people is as much news as dog bites man, but we hold Israel to a higher standard as it claims to have one?
Antisemitism?

And a link to a der Spiegal articvle by an Israeli leftist Link. Your thoughts, Lord Snow? is that an accurateish assessment of Israel today?

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captain yesterday wrote:
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<3
what does this symbol mean? its on my phone in the smiley menu, my wife and i assumed it was the symbol for dick and balls:) i'm assuming thats not right...

It's a heart. Turn the monitor sideways and squint and you can sorta see it.

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ShadowcatX,
That would also be non-kosher and I doubt the Israeli extremists would be good with that.

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claudekennilol wrote:
phantom1592 wrote:
JoeJ wrote:

It occurs to me that the paladin doesn't have access to either the game books or the GM's notes. They won't necessarily know that a particular deity is evil. Mythology being what it is, almost any alignment can be justified for most gods, depending upon which stories you consider to be the most significant.

Actually they do. Knowledge:Religion is a class skill for them. And 'is Asmodeus evil' would be a PRETTY easy skill check.
Can't make knowledge skills untrained. No guarantee this paladin even has an int score with spare points to spend on useless knowledge skills.

Can if it's DC 10 or less. "Is Asmodeus, the Master of Tyranny and Ruler of Hell, Evil?" I'm going to think that's less than a DC10.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Seems like a good spot for this

Funny. But do not read the comments. Unless you like bile and transphobia.

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The last page of the feats chapter has a lot of reprinted text. Everything after the Weapon Group Adaptability feat seems to be reprinted from the prvious page.

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wraithstrike wrote:
magnuskn wrote:
Uh, actually there are new spells in about every companion book Paizo is releasing. On a monthly schedule. So, unless you completely separate the setting-neutral / Golarion books, there are a ton of spells, items and feats which are very much splintered along the publishing line.
There are not that many. Every 3.5 book had a good number of spells added, and they had a new book every month. Once you take away the CRB there are not that many extra spells. I don't think there are enough to fill a 256 page book.

There are currently 1932 spells in Pathfinder from Paizo sources. 714 of these are from the core rulebook, making more than 1200 or 1.75ish times as many outside the core rulebook as inside it. 663 of these are from the rule book line, splitting it roughly equally between the Rules and Campaign lines.

Note spells cast by the various gods at odd levels are included in this total, so it could be an overestimate.

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Baku,
It is pretty clear at the moment. If its not on your spell list, or specifically added to your spell list by the ability which would make it on your spell list, you can't cast it. That last line I bolded in my reply makes no mention of spells known or spontaneous only.

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Baku Shadescar wrote:
wraithstrike wrote:
Basically what the FAQ does is prevent you from casting spells that are not on your class;s spell list, no matter if you use a prepared or spontaneous casting class.
The FAQ doesn't actually state that. Everything is phrased around spontaneous casters and "spells known". Wizards, Magi, Witches, etc don't have "spells known". They have "spells prepared".

Actually, it does.

Pathfinder Design Team wrote:

FAQ

New Spells Known: If I gain the ability to add a spell that is not on my spell list to my list of spells known, without adding it to my spell list, can I cast it?

No. Adding a spell to your list of spells known does not add it to the spell list of that class unless they are added by a class feature of that same class. For example, sorcerers add their bloodline spells to their sorcerer spell list and oracles add their mystery spells to their oracle spell list. The spell slots of a class can only be used to cast spells that appear on the spell list of that class.

Bolded for emphasis. Not on the spell list, not castable. End of.

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Actually, it was closer to 50 as I've just had a quick count along my shelf and there's 40 hardbacks there excluding setting specific stuff and bestiaries.
However, at the current rate,this means Pathfinder will hit the same rate of rules hardbacks in, what, 2030? Truly this is an urgent problem we need to deal with immediately.

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